From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: N.W. Trade Gun Question Date: 01 Dec 2003 02:20:25 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/30/2003 3:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, kodiak@ptd.net writes: Hello List: Can anyone tell me a site where I might be able to sell my N.W. Trade Gun....thanks in advance for any help...jim Jim, Please send me the info offlist; I might be able to help you out; not a word to She Who Must Be Obeyed ;) Barney Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 11/30/2003 3:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, kodiak@= ptd.net writes:

Hello List: Can anyone tell me a site where= I might be able to sell my

N.W. Trade Gun....thanks in advance for any= help...jim

Jim, Please send m= e the info offlist; I might be able to help you out; not a word to= She Who Must Be Obeyed ;) B= arney

---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Frock coat? Date: 01 Dec 2003 02:53:14 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/30/2003 6:10:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Mdrougas@aol.com writes: I don't want to use a pattern, I think. Or should I? Mike, I agree with the popular opinion; find a pattern thats comfy or even better a garment that you already like and needs to be replaced; seems those are the ones that are the easiest to cut up ;). If you dedide to pick a pattern, I've noticed that at Rendezvous, traders will many times make up frocks using known patterns and you can try them on... In a message dated 11/30/2003 6:10:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:

In a message dated 11/30/2003 6:10:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Mdrouga= s@aol.com writes:

I don't want to use a pattern, I thin= k. Or should I?

Mike, I agree= with the popular opinion; find a pattern thats comfy or even bett= er a garment that you already like and needs to be replaced; seems those are= the ones that are the easiest to cut up ;). If you dedide to pick a pattern= , I've noticed that at Rendezvous, traders will many times make up= frocks using known patterns and you can try them on...

&n= bsp;

In a message dated 11/30/2003 6:10:28 PM Pacific Sta= ndard Time, cheyenne@pcu.net wr= ites:

<Could you please also clarify the details of tri= mming with blanket wool. I think <that was fairly common or at leas= t not unheard of and would certainly add a <splash of color and styl= e.

Cheyenne, I've got a coat where it was done by cutting dia= mond shaped openings in the facing of a leather lapel which exposed the= thin red wool that had been sewn inside.

I got the idea from one of the Buckskinners ref books, but due=20= to CRS can't tell you which one. I'm sure it was a sketchbook= , possibly The Mountain Man's Sketchbook, and definitely not from the&n= bsp;B of B series, but I'll have to try and find it and let y= ou know.

Although not written in the sketchbook, IIRC this coat was= was claimed to have been Tom Tobins coat, but the last I heard that wa= s in dispute. In any case, the artifact is part of the Museum Of A= nthropology in Albuquerque, New Mexico, dated circa 1827 or thereabouts.

I could email you a picture if you want...

Barney

---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 01 Dec 2003 08:32:36 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B7E5.AC33DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sparks,=20 MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if I = did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though.... D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Thanks, Dennis. Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows knee? = Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll = have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! = ;-)=20 Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: try 50/50 D ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM =20 Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no=20 silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? Sparks ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C3B7E5.AC33DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sparks,

MIne is so impregnated with = grease that I=20 don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did=20 though....

D

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To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 = 11:42=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List:=20 waterproffing

Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as well = as the=20 outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I ordered a = couple=20 pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest = of the=20 cow after I finish with the knee! ;-)=20
Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

try 50/50 D ----- Original Message -----=20 href=3D"mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net>"><jandsstone@earthlink.net>= ; href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"><hist_text@lists.xmission= .com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM

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But before I could get the gun up and cocked, he was heading for some cows up the ravine and I don't like shooting over the fence onto the neighbors anyway so I watched him go and went back to walking. about a 1/4 mile (actually less straight line, but it is pretty up and down there) I drop into another drainage and there he is on my side of the fence maybe 20yds out. I pull the cock back as I bring it up settle the sights and "CLACK" nothing. HE keeps looking as I pull it back and CLACK again. Damn I says as he takes off up the hill. ANyway I get teh rest of the fence checked and head up the lane to home when I hear a bunch of turkeys scratching around the corner. I get about 20yds from them and they notice me, but I'm figuring the gun won't go off anyway and they aren't legal at the moment so I let them go by. I get home and go to the range in the back yard, draw down on the piece of cardboard and "BANG" that sucker goes off slicker than a whistle and I even hit where I was aiming! I loaded it up again and "BANG" off it goes. I guess it just wasn't that coyotes day, or maybe it was. I'm sure glad I didn't try to shoot at those turkeys, I'd've either been mad because it didn't go off or I wouldn't be able to tell you about them anyway. Monte Holder Sunny Saline County MO ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Frock coat? Date: 01 Dec 2003 15:43:18 +0000 Mike, Before cutting up good brain tan using a new pattern I often will make a test garment out of cheap muslin of light canvas. you can see where you need to tweak the pattern or where problem areas might come up. SMB >From: Mdrougas@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@xmission.com >CC: Mdrougas@aol.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Frock coat? >Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:09:16 EST > >To the list, > I wrote in about a year age for help on some brain tan pantaloons I >was going to make. Your advise worked out great. there very comfortable and >warm. Thanks much. > My next project is a brain tan frock. I've seen many, I check out >Crazy's site alot and saw the picture of his. I get the tomahawk and long >rifle >mag , on the trail and muzzleloader. saw plenty in there. What advise can >you >give? I thinking of a no frills type. pretty basic. I don't want to use a >pattern, I think. Or should I? How would you start if not using a pattern? > Thanks in advance and thanks again for the help with the >pantaloons. >My wife really likes these rather than my old "diaper bottom" trousers:). > Michael (Mike) J. Drougas > Yakima County, Wa. _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Frock coat? Date: 01 Dec 2003 08:44:08 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3B7E7.48E40FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn, I used two brain tanned elk hides for the body of the coat which is = fairly long and about a size 50 give or take a size. It took two brain = tanned deer hides for the sleeves, one each. I added some cuffs that = fold back a good three inches and that collar that is close to three = inches high if opened up. All the edges that were not fringed (about 3 = inches or less of fringe btw) I trimmed using "Blanket Edging" from = Pendleton. It's what they trim their blankets with, is felted wool and = maybe a bit more than an inch wide. Comes in a number of colors if you = can get it anymore. I had green so used green.=20 I sewed it on the face of the coat then turned it over to the back side = of the coat and top stitched it down so the face looks "closed" and the = edge of the coat looks "wrapped".=20 Using similar material such as heavy shirt weight material in a strip as = a welt in seams between pieces of leather looks nice too. Military coats = of the times were treated this way in some instances. If you see "Master = and Commander" now playing you will see this done on some of the = "jackets" worn by senior enlisted and perhaps some of the officers. Look = for a dark Navy Blue jacket with white piping in the seams.=20 Perhaps it is my skill as a seamstress/tailor or lack thereof but I was = amazed at how many hides it takes to make a garment. More than you = think. And if the garment is at all complicated with multi pieces then = it takes more as you need to fit those pieces into the space of a hide. = You may only get one piece out of a deer sized hide with plenty of = scraps from around the edges. So that's why I plan on one hide for the = front, one for the back and one for each sleeve. You can get a small jacket out of smaller hides if your body will accept = the small fitted and sized jacket styles. Mine won't. And your advice to cut up an old garment to use as a pattern is = excellent advice and almost mandatory if success is desired. Whether you = use wool, commercial leather or brain tan use a pattern even if it is = cheap muslin sewn in a try and fit manner. Capt. 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Wynn,

I used two brain = tanned elk hides=20 for the body of the coat which is fairly long and about a size 50 give = or take a=20 size. It took two brain tanned deer hides for the sleeves, one each. I = added=20 some cuffs that fold back a good three inches and that collar that is = close to=20 three inches high if opened up. All the edges that were not fringed = (about 3=20 inches or less of fringe btw) I trimmed using "Blanket Edging" from = Pendleton.=20 It's what they trim their blankets with, is felted wool and maybe a bit = more=20 than an inch wide. Comes in a number of colors if you can get it = anymore. I had=20 green so used green.

I sewed it on the face = of the coat=20 then turned it over to the back side of the coat and top stitched it = down so the=20 face looks "closed" and the edge of the coat looks "wrapped". =

Using similar material = such as=20 heavy shirt weight material in a strip as a welt in seams between pieces = of=20 leather looks nice too. Military coats of the times were treated this = way in=20 some instances. If you see "Master and Commander" now playing you will = see this=20 done on some of the "jackets" worn by senior enlisted and perhaps some = of the=20 officers. Look for a dark Navy Blue jacket with white piping in the = seams.=20

Perhaps it is my skill = as a=20 seamstress/tailor or lack thereof but I was amazed at how many hides it = takes to=20 make a garment. More than you think. And if the garment is at all = complicated=20 with multi pieces then it takes more as you need to fit those pieces = into the=20 space of a hide. You may only get one piece out of a deer sized hide = with plenty=20 of scraps from around the edges. So that's why I plan on one hide for = the front,=20 one for the back and one for each sleeve.

You can get a small = jacket out of=20 smaller hides if your body will accept the small fitted and sized jacket = styles.=20 Mine won't. <G>

And your advice to cut = up an old=20 garment to use as a pattern is excellent advice and almost mandatory if = success=20 is desired. Whether you use wool, commercial leather or brain tan use a = pattern=20 even if it is cheap muslin sewn in a try and fit manner.

Capt. = Lahti'

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"Low serial number" - if you advertised a car with this as the mileage and referred to it as "low" the authorities would be after you. "85% bluing remains" - translation: "Only 15% of this rifle is not covered with wood so what I can't see I figure is okay". "Must be seen to be believed" -This rifle makes a bubba job look good "Rifling is pronounced" - pronounced DOA. "Some pitting" - Chubby boy Micheal Moore's face has less pitting after a 40 year diet of pizza and Ho-ho's "All matching" - translation: "I've been up nights with the electro-pencil" "Not import marked" - Support firearms smuggling. "Should clean up fine" - translation: "I have no idea what's under all this crud. I could be selling you a gun-shaped lump of dirt for all I know." "All original" - original if the Japanese during WWII mounted weaver scopes and left the mounting holes, that is. "Bore shows some frosting" - Betty Crocker doesn't have this much frosting. "All correct" - yup, it's got a trigger and a stock and a barrel and sights, yeah, it's all there. "NRA Good" - Handgun Control Inc. bad. "Rare" - nobody wanted these when they were first offered as surplus either so most of them are now Miatas. "Unusual" - this firearm euphemism is the equivalent of a girl saying her girlfriend, who she wants you to date, has a good personality". "The wood has a warm hue" - because it was in a fire. "Custom" - translation: "I took a perfectly good rifle that a collector would give his left cajone for, threw away the stock with the great cartouches on it, tore off the sights with vice grips, replaced them with a scope I got at Kmart, sanded off bluing that had lasted twice as long as I will and slapped on some cold blue that looks like toilet bowl water. All this cost me three times what a comparable new rifle would but I've got the satisfaction of knowing that I 'made something'". "Very clean" - translation: "not a speck of oil has touched this gun since I've owned it". "Re-arsenaled" - if this was a car, the word would be "recalled". "Supplies of these are getting low" - translation: "We are buried in these pigs. If I don't get rid of them the boss is going to fire me for buying them in the first place. Never negotiate a deal in Eastern Europe when they are supplying the vodka". "Ammunition for these is plentiful and cheap" - not to mention old and dangerous. "Great for plinking" - these things couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside. Why do you think they lost the war? "Locks up solid" - this gun is rusted shut. "War Trophy" - translation: "My grandfather spent the entire war guarding a pier in the U.S. and confiscated this off a returning soldier who was actually in combat". "Still in cosmoline" - translation: "Cosmoline hides a plethora of things that I'd rather not tell you about". "One of a kind" - translation: "I bubba'd this". "European craftsmanship" - built just like a Yugo. "Original markings" - someone carved their initials in the stock. "Bore is shiny" - none of that nasty rifling remains to spoil the smoothness of this bore. "Stock has been lightly sanded" - apparently "lightly" is redundant when used with "sanded" in the world of firearms auctions. You never see the term "sanded" without "lightly" preceding it. You'd never guess that anybody involved in firearms simply "sanded" or, God forbid, "sanded well". "I'm not an expert on these" - translation: "Now that I've made this disclaimer, I'm free to tell you whatever wild baloney I think will get you to buy this. If you find out it's not true well hey, I told you I was no expert". "Hairline crack, might be repairable" - by this description it has a equal chance of not being repairable. "I don't have any pictures" - translation: "If you are stupid enough to buy a firearm without even seeing pictures of it, check out my auction of magic beans". "Arsenal Wrapped" - If you are the kind of person who buys cans in the supermarket without labels on them, this baby's for you! "Sporter" - translation: "I REALLY bubba'd this one". "Arsenal New" - the arsenal where these were made closed 99 years ago. This must be some kind of Bill Clintonesque definition of "new". "Unissued" - even the soldiers of the third-world country they came from refused to carry them. "Laminated stock" - the ex-Eastern bloc factory that was making these burnt all the real stocks to keep from freezing so these were made out of pressed floor sweepings and rat droppings. Don't fire this one if the stock's ever gotten wet. "A good shooter" - these come personally recommended by BOTH, Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder for their accuracy. "Vintage" - so much rust that the date is obscured. "With accessories" - translation: "The exporter told us if we wanted the deal on the rifles we had to take all this other crap off his hands". "Collectable" - what's being offered has the same intrinsic value as Elvis memorabilia from the Franklin Mint. "Ammunition will soon be available" - buy this if you want a wall hanger. "Don't let this one get away!" - translation: "Please, please buy this, they're gonna break my thumbs". "An early example" - it took them a while to get this model right. This one was made before that. "I've never seen another one like this" - translation: "Someone bubba'd it before I got it". "California Legal" - this is not a weapon. It has been rendered so it doesn't even look threatening. It is no more lethal than Michael Moore's underwear. Okay, so his underwear is lethal. Alright, it's a WMD. "Pride of the French Officers Corps" - this is why people with no historical background should not be in the milsurp business. "Tanker model" - this rifle was bubba'd by someone cutting several inches off the front of it. "Rare wire wrapped version" - the stock is being held together by wire. "NAZI markings intact" - the previous owner of this weapon was a skinhead living in a trailer in Idaho who carved sayings peculiar to his philosophy in the stock. "Russian Mummy Wrap" - last time I checked, Russia didn't have any pyramids. This seller is obviously trying to say that the weapon is held together by Soviet-era duct tape. "Minor scratches" - translation: "Zeigfried's partner, Roy, has less scratches on him". "Has a strong action" - translation: "You'll need a couple of friends to get the bolt on this rust bucket open". "One's in this condition are hard to find" - yeah, most of them in this condition went to the scrap heap. "Standard three day inspection period" - translation: "We ship only on Fridays at the close of business before the start of three day weekends. Our couriers have special instructions to hide your purchase in your FFL's bushes when they deliver". "Double heat treated" - this was also in a fire, twice. "Nicely refinished" - the previous owner slapped on whatever left over wood finishes he had lying around. The gloss on this stock would do a bowling alley proud. "A nice example" - this looks like what people mean when they say "We're gonna make an example out of him". - or what people mean at a funeral when they say "Dosen't he look good". "Difficult to find" - we used this one to prop open a window at the shop and forgot about it. "Free floating barrel" - the screws that hold the barrel in are missing. "Only 200 rounds fired throught it" - of only one brand of ammo. the other 30,000 was from various other brands of ammo. -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: wool sock idea Date: 01 Dec 2003 18:08:31 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C3B836.20DAC9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Capt., Excellent idea about the wool sock/cows knee. Mind if I steal it?? = The wife knits wool socks from scratch and I can grab a reject before = she takes it apart and re-does it. If I talk REAL nice, maybe I can talk = her into a single for Christmas.=20 Thanks, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing What I use is an old wool sock with about half the foot cut off. = Works great. Keeps the snow off the lock, keeps the rain off it too for = a while, quite a while actually. And when you need to shoot you just = pull it back past the wrist a short ways and that exposes the lock and = trigger for your use. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C3B836.20DAC9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Capt.,

    Excellent idea about the wool sock/cows = knee.=20 Mind if I steal it?? The wife knits wool socks from scratch and I can = grab a=20 reject before she takes it apart and re-does it. If I talk REAL nice, = maybe I=20 can talk her into a single for Christmas.

Thanks,   John

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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 = 11:41=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List:=20 waterproffing

What I use is = an old wool=20 sock with about half the foot cut off. Works great. Keeps the snow off = the=20 lock, keeps the rain off it too for a while, quite a while actually. = And when=20 you need to shoot you just pull it back past the wrist a short ways = and that=20 exposes the lock and trigger for your use.

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C3B836.20DAC9A0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 01 Dec 2003 17:48:45 -0700 --------------000209080700040905000107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis, I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the other nine months of the year). Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible to 300-feet." Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: > Sparks, > MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if I > did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though.... > D > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James and Sue Stone > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing > > Thanks, Dennis. > Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows > knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm > sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish > with the knee! ;-) > Sparks > > Double Edge Forge wrote: > >>try 50/50 >> >>D >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "James and Sue Stone" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM >>Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing >> >> >> >> >>>Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no >>>silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? >>> >>>Sparks >>> >>> >>>---------------------- >>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> > --------------000209080700040905000107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis,
I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the other nine months of the year).

Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible to 300-feet."

Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

Sparks,

MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though....

D

----- Original Message -----

From: James and Sue Stone

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing

Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! ;-)
Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

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--------------000209080700040905000107-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wool sock idea Date: 01 Dec 2003 20:00:09 -0600 John, Have her knit two. And while she's at it make a thumb hole on each one. You'll then have an open end pair of mitts to warm both hands when one doesn't need to protect the lock. John... At 06:08 PM 12/1/03, you wrote: >Capt., > Excellent idea about the wool sock/cows knee. Mind if I steal it?? > The wife knits wool socks from scratch and I can grab a reject before she > takes it apart and re-does it. If I talk REAL nice, maybe I can talk her > into a single for Christmas. >Thanks, John > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: roger lahti >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:41 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing > > What I use is an old wool sock with about half the foot cut off. Works > great. Keeps the snow off the lock, keeps the rain off it too for a > while, quite a while actually. And when you need to shoot you just pull > it back past the wrist a short ways and that exposes the lock and trigger > for your use. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." --Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 01 Dec 2003 21:05:27 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B84E.D88C5060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, that is DAMP!! Do you also seal your frizzen with grease & wax = mix?? I find that helps too. D ' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Dennis, I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got = done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the = Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that I = worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300 = inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the = other nine months of the year). Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being = "submersible to 300-feet." Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: Sparks,=20 MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if = I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though.... D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Thanks, Dennis. Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows = knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure = I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the = knee! ;-)=20 Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: try 50/50 D ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM =20 Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no=20 silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? Sparks ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B84E.D88C5060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, that is DAMP!! Do you also seal = your frizzen=20 with grease & wax mix?? I find that helps too.

D

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From:=20 James=20 and Sue Stone
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 = 7:48=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List:=20 waterproffing

Dennis,
I figured that's exactly what my cows knee = would=20 look like when I got done greasing it "adequately." But I used = to work=20 in the woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip = annually), and=20 before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic = Peninsula=20 (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy = season"...just the=20 other nine months of the year).

Somewhere along the line I = began to=20 interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible to=20 300-feet."

Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

Sparks,

MIne is so impregnated with = grease that I=20 don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I = did=20 though....

D

-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 James and Sue Stone = To:=20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 Sent:=20 Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM Subject:=20 Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing

Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as = well as=20 the outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I = ordered a=20 couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for = the=20 rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! ;-) =
Sparks

Double Edge=20 Forge wrote:

try 50/50 D ----- Original Message -----=20 href=3D"mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net%3E"><jandsstone@earthlink.net&= gt; href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"><hist_text@lists.xmission= .com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM

Looking to waterproof a = cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no=20 silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? Sparks ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.= xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3B84E.D88C5060-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wool sock idea Date: 01 Dec 2003 19:47:12 -0700 John, Mrs. Stone knitted me a pair of those mitts. The thumb comes up past the knuckle on each, and the finger part comes up to the furthest out knuckle of the fingers. Work great, and is period correct all the way back to the early 1700s and maybe even earlier.. She is making me an even thicker pair so I can hold a cold steering wheel with them on. Sparks John Kramer wrote: > John, > > Have her knit two. And while she's at it make a thumb hole on each > one. You'll then have an open end pair of mitts to warm both hands > when one doesn't need to protect the lock. > > John... > > > At 06:08 PM 12/1/03, you wrote: > >> Capt., >> Excellent idea about the wool sock/cows knee. Mind if I steal >> it?? The wife knits wool socks from scratch and I can grab a reject >> before she takes it apart and re-does it. If I talk REAL nice, maybe >> I can talk her into a single for Christmas. >> Thanks, John >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: roger lahti >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:41 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing >> >> What I use is an old wool sock with about half the foot cut off. >> Works great. Keeps the snow off the lock, keeps the rain off it too >> for a while, quite a while actually. And when you need to shoot you >> just pull it back past the wrist a short ways and that exposes the >> lock and trigger for your use. >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, > I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it > gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let > your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." > > --Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785. > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 01 Dec 2003 19:58:20 -0700 --------------060100060604000206030707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis, Never carried a flintlock then, but I did use "write in the rain" paper while taking survey notes. And I had some Magnum raingear. Those "norwester" hats like the N.E. coastal fisherman are pictured with is just the ticket in that kind of rain, but only if the rear brim is wide enough to keep the rain from running down your back. I used warp drive windshield wipers...and I should have had them powered by the wind so they could operate at a necessary speed. I could go on forever with these truths and yarns but it's off topic! I'll keep the idea of waxing the frizzen closed on the primer if I ever end up in a similar situation...quite unlikely in Utah. Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: > Wow, that is DAMP!! Do you also seal your frizzen with grease & wax > mix?? I find that helps too. > D > ' > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James and Sue Stone > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing > > Dennis, > I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I > got done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the > woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), > and before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the > Olympic Peninsula (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during > the "rainy season"...just the other nine months of the year). > > Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as > being "submersible to 300-feet." > > Sparks > > > Double Edge Forge wrote: > >> Sparks, >> MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember >> if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though.... >> D >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: James and Sue Stone >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing >> >> Thanks, Dennis. >> Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows >> knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. >> I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after >> I finish with the knee! ;-) >> Sparks >> >> Double Edge Forge wrote: >> >>>try 50/50 >>> >>>D >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "James and Sue Stone" >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM >>>Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no >>>>silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? >>>> >>>>Sparks >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------- >>>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------- >>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >>> >>> >> > --------------060100060604000206030707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis,
Never carried a flintlock then, but I did use "write in the rain" paper while taking survey notes. And I had some Magnum raingear. Those "norwester" hats like the N.E. coastal fisherman are pictured with is just the ticket in that kind of rain, but only if the rear brim is wide enough to keep the rain from running down your back. I used warp drive windshield wipers...and I should have had them powered by the wind so they could operate at a necessary speed.

I could go on forever with these truths and yarns but it's off topic!

I'll keep the idea of waxing the frizzen closed on the primer if I ever end up in a similar situation...quite unlikely in Utah.

Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

Wow, that is DAMP!! Do you also seal your frizzen with grease & wax mix?? I find that helps too.

D

'

----- Original Message -----

From: James and Sue Stone

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:48 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing

Dennis,
I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the other nine months of the year).

Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible to 300-feet."

Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

Sparks,

MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though....

D

----- Original Message -----

From: James and Sue Stone

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing

Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! ;-)
Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

try 50/50 D ----- Original Message ----- href="mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net%3E"><jandsstone@earthlink.net> href="mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"><hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM

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--------------060100060604000206030707-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mdrougas@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276 Date: 02 Dec 2003 00:52:48 EST --part1_c.1d5b5895.2cfd82b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy, Thanks much. I'd really apreciate a picture. The more I have the better. It's hard to get a good look at the back detail. Thanks again. Mike Drougas Yakima County, Wa. --part1_c.1d5b5895.2cfd82b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randy,
       Thanks much. I'd really apreciate a pic= ture. The more I have the better. It's hard to get a good look at the back d= etail. Thanks again.
             =20=               =20=               =20= Mike Drougas
             =20=               =20=               =20= Yakima County, Wa.      --part1_c.1d5b5895.2cfd82b0_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mdrougas@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276 Date: 02 Dec 2003 01:04:35 EST --part1_180.23407e9f.2cfd8573_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Capt. Lahti, That's what took so long with my brain tan pantaloons, cutting in to the stuff. I finally decided if I screwed up I'd have lot's of moccasin material. Thanks for the offer. I write if I get hung up. Mike Drougas Yakima County, Wa --part1_180.23407e9f.2cfd8573_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Capt. Lahti,
       That's what took so long with my brain=20= tan pantaloons, cutting in to the stuff. I finally decided if I screwed up I= 'd have lot's of moccasin material. Thanks for the offer. I write if I get h= ung up.
             =20=               =20=               =20= Mike Drougas
             =20=               =20=               =20= Yakima County, Wa --part1_180.23407e9f.2cfd8573_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wool sock idea Date: 01 Dec 2003 22:03:36 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3B856.F85ABBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Have her make two rejects with no toe's and big enough to go over your = lock and mine. Steal away. Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3B856.F85ABBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,

Have her make two = rejects with no=20 toe's and big enough to go over your lock and mine. Steal away.=20 <G>

Capt. = Lahti'

------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3B856.F85ABBE0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dale Nelson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 02 Dec 2003 11:58:18 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3B8CB.93583810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain isn't = quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over at the = coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the = point. Locally deer season starts the first of October and runs for a = week into November. It has been known to start raining the first of = Oct. and not stop until the 4th of July. But that doesn't happen every = year and we can have hot dry Octobers. Lewis and Clark spent the winter = at Astoria, and folks, it rains in that country, yet the hunters were = killing lots of elk, hunting in weather so wet it rotted their buckskin = clothes. I wanted to prove to myself that I could kill a buck in a rain = storm using my flintlock .62 caliber knock off of an English sporting = rifle. In order to do that I needed to do a little practicing along = with watching how others do things in the rain. One of the first things = I learned is that a flinter works much better in the rain than a cap = lock. Caps seem to draw moisture if handled with wet fingers, let alone = being in wet weather. That wasn't a problem on account of I don't own = a cap lock and was wanting to prove a point anyhow. I just threw that = in because it's one man's experience from watching shooting matches in = wet weather, so take it for what it's worth. The first and most = improtant thing I discovered when shooting in the rain is you need a = roof, and that's where that broad brimed hat comes in. When you pour = powder into the bore, or prime you can lean a bit forward, get the rifle = in close to your body and get it loaded and primed dry. My rifle has a = so called water proof pan, and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee = and they didn't work well for me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to = condense in the pan, kind of like a wick. Here's what worked for me, = keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" tall, and was in good condition -- not = strong as a bull or anything like that -- just much better condition = than I am now at 66. I found that the warmth of my hand cupped over the = lock was enough to keep the pan dry. I used no grease or calfs knee. = Putting the balance point of the rifle in the crook of my left arm I = held the rifle tight against my stomach. After awhile I had to use my = right hand over the left to help hold the weight of the rifle off my = left arm, which after two hours was really starting to hurt. The truth = is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to, and if it hurt it = hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept hunting. Not = in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I moved between them. = The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire day, and there was very = little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't seem to hurt quite so bad, = and toughing it out I was able to ease up on a dandy black tail buck, = and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without a rest and with instantaneous = ignition I managed to unplumb his heart. I proved to myself I could do = it, and haven't been to keen about getting that wet and cold again, so = I've been inclined to hunt during the nicer weather that happens along = once in awhile. Just a little body warmth keeps the priming from = wicking water and to me that worked better than anything else I tried. = Dale Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Dennis, I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got = done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the = Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that I = worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300 = inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the = other nine months of the year). Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being = "submersible to 300-feet." Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: Sparks,=20 MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if = I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though.... D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Thanks, Dennis. Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows = knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure = I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the = knee! ;-)=20 Sparks Double Edge Forge wrote: try 50/50 D ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no=20 silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? Sparks ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3B8CB.93583810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain = isn't=20 quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over = at the=20 coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the=20 point.  Locally deer season starts the first of October and = runs for a=20 week into November. It has been known to start raining the = first of=20 Oct. and not stop until the 4th of July. But that doesn't happen = every=20 year and we can have hot dry Octobers. Lewis and Clark spent the = winter at=20 Astoria, and folks, it rains in that country, yet the hunters were = killing=20 lots of elk, hunting in weather so wet it rotted = their buckskin=20 clothes. I wanted to prove to myself that I could kill a buck in a = rain=20 storm using my flintlock .62 caliber knock off of an English = sporting=20 rifle. In order to do that I needed to do a little practicing = along with=20 watching how others do things in the rain. One of the first = things I=20 learned is that a flinter works much better in the rain than a cap = lock. =20 Caps seem to draw moisture if handled with wet fingers, let alone being = in wet=20 weather. That wasn't a problem on account of I don't own a = cap lock=20 and was wanting to prove a point anyhow. I just threw that in = because it's=20 one man's experience from watching shooting matches in wet weather, = so take=20 it for what it's worth. The first and most improtant thing I = discovered=20 when shooting in the rain is you need a roof, and that's where that = broad=20 brimed hat comes in. When you pour powder into the bore, = or prime you=20 can lean a bit forward, get the rifle in close to your body and get = it=20 loaded and primed dry.  My rifle has a so called water = proof pan,=20 and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee and they didn't work well = for=20 me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to condense in the pan, kind = of like=20 a wick. Here's what worked for me, keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" = tall, and=20 was in good condition -- not strong as a bull or anything like = that --=20 just much better condition than I am now at 66. I found that = the=20 warmth of my hand cupped over the lock was enough to keep the pan = dry. I=20 used no grease or calfs knee. Putting the balance point of the = rifle in=20 the crook of my left arm I held the rifle tight against my = stomach. After=20 awhile I had to use my right hand over the left to help hold the weight = of the=20 rifle off my left arm, which after two hours was really starting to = hurt. =20 The truth is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to, and if it = hurt it=20 hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept=20 hunting. Not in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I = moved=20 between them. The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire = day, and=20 there was very little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't seem to = hurt=20 quite so bad, and toughing it out I was able to ease up on a = dandy=20 black tail buck, and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without a rest and = with=20 instantaneous ignition I managed to unplumb his heart. I = proved=20 to myself I could do it, and haven't been to keen about getting that wet = and=20 cold again, so I've been inclined to hunt during the nicer weather = that=20 happens along once in awhile. Just a little body warmth keeps the = priming=20 from wicking water and to me that worked better than anything else = I=20 tried.           &= nbsp;      =20 Dale Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James=20 and Sue Stone
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 = 4:48=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List:=20 waterproffing

Dennis,
I figured that's exactly what my cows knee = would=20 look like when I got done greasing it "adequately." But I used = to work=20 in the woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip = annually), and=20 before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic = Peninsula=20 (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy = season"...just the=20 other nine months of the year).

Somewhere along the line I = began to=20 interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible to=20 300-feet."

Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

Sparks,

MIne is so impregnated with = grease that I=20 don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I = did=20 though....

D

-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 James and Sue Stone = To:=20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 Sent:=20 Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM Subject:=20 Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing

Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as = well as=20 the outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I = ordered a=20 couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for = the=20 rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! ;-) =
Sparks

Double Edge=20 Forge wrote:

try 50/50 D ----- Original Message -----=20 href=3D"mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net%3E"><jandsstone@earthlink.net&= gt; href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"><hist_text@lists.xmission= .com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM

Looking to waterproof a = cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no=20 silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? Sparks ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.= xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3B8CB.93583810-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dale Nelson" Subject: MtMan-List: Question Date: 02 Dec 2003 12:11:44 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3B8CD.73CB0FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This question is to all you beaver trappers out there. My neighbor went = over to the Oregon coast at Bandon for thanksgiving. When they were = there they were watching critters in the water about where the river = enters the harbor. It's not a salt marsh or something like that, but a = tide water enterance of the river into the bay. Along the bank close to = them there was a beaver working. In the water close by were some ducks. = All of a sudden one duck spread it's wings like it was going to fly, = but it froze in that position. A beaver surfaced with the duck in it's = mouth, swam to shore, let the dead duck go. The beaver climed out of = the water, and the duck floated away totally ignored by either beaver on = the bank. Has anyone on the list ever seen or heard of anything like = this? I never have, and they saw the beaver out of the water and swear = it had a flat beaver tail, and it wasn't an otter. Besides an otter = would have enjoyed eating the duck I would think. Dale Nelson ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3B8CD.73CB0FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This question is to all you beaver trappers out there. My = neighbor=20 went over to the Oregon coast at Bandon for thanksgiving. When = they were=20 there they were watching critters in the water about where the river = enters the=20 harbor. It's not a salt marsh or something like that, but a tide = water=20 enterance of the river into the bay. Along the bank close to them = there=20 was a beaver working. In the water close by were some ducks. = All of=20 a sudden one duck spread it's wings like it was going to fly, but it = froze in=20 that position. A beaver surfaced with the duck in it's mouth, swam = to=20 shore, let the dead duck go.  The beaver climed out of the=20 water, and the duck floated away totally ignored by = either beaver=20 on the bank. Has anyone on the list ever seen or heard=20 of anything like this? I never have, and they saw the beaver = out of=20 the water and swear it had a flat beaver tail, and it wasn't an = otter. =20 Besides an otter would have enjoyed eating the duck I would=20 think.         Dale Nelson =
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3B8CD.73CB0FC0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276 Date: 02 Dec 2003 15:24:17 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3B8E8.59DF0F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be here Mike. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mdrougas@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276 Hi Capt. Lahti, That's what took so long with my brain tan pantaloons, cutting = in to the stuff. I finally decided if I screwed up I'd have lot's of = moccasin material. Thanks for the offer. I write if I get hung up. Mike Drougas Yakima County, Wa ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3B8E8.59DF0F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Capt. = Lahti,
      =20 That's what took so long with my brain tan pantaloons, cutting in to = the=20 stuff. I finally decided if I screwed up I'd have lot's of moccasin = material.=20 Thanks for the offer. I write if I get hung=20 = up.
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          &n= bsp; =20        =       =20        =       =20 Yakima County, Wa ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3B8E8.59DF0F60-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question Date: 02 Dec 2003 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) Dale, Beaver have been known to fight otters to the death as they are mortal enemies. The otters prey on the beaver kits. Martin Hunter in Canadian Wilds talks of a beaver/otter fight to the death. The beaver died after killing the otter so I guess he won. I knew a trapper who caught beaver with dog food for bait so they must be curious about meat sometimes. Beaver are serious fighters and extremely territorial with each other including man. Who hasn't had some beaver pissed at them all night for being camped near their trails? That duck might have just been too close to something the beaver liked. I've caught a couple of fish eating ducks in 330 traps deep down under the water at beaver den entrances as they chased fish I'm sure. Maybe the beaver don't like ducks popping up in their dens chasing fish dinners. One thing about what you describe, nothing surprises me either way in the big outdoors anymore. Just when you saw it all something else happens. bb > This question is to all you beaver trappers out there. My neighbor went > over to the Oregon coast at Bandon for thanksgiving. When they were there > they were watching critters in the water about where the river enters the > harbor. It's not a salt marsh or something like that, but a tide water > enterance of the river into the bay. Along the bank close to them there > was a beaver working. In the water close by were some ducks. All of a > sudden one duck spread it's wings like it was going to fly, but it froze > in that position. A beaver surfaced with the duck in it's mouth, swam to > shore, let the dead duck go. The beaver climed out of the water, and the > duck floated away totally ignored by either beaver on the bank. Has > anyone on the list ever seen or heard of anything like this? I never > have, and they saw the beaver out of the water and swear it had a flat > beaver tail, and it wasn't an otter. Besides an otter would have enjoyed > eating the duck I would think. Dale Nelson ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 02 Dec 2003 17:57:30 -0700 --------------010107030900050201030706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, I was living in Waldport, and had a tidewater dock in the yard of the rental I was in. One of the places I lived in there had a fireplace. If I kept an Oregonian newspaper in the house for three days, it would be too wet to put in the fireplace and light with a match! (That ws in my pre flint-steel days). I didn't start muzzleloader hunting until I moved to eastern Idaho, but had no trouble with caplock ignition in wet or snowy weather. I didn't know what a cows knee was then, but I knew the four-wing musket caps I had on my pattern 1853 Enfield seemed to contain at least five or ten grains worth of fire. They never failed. As far as road killed fish on the coastal highway, I would go one further and say they weren't all run over...some of them hit windshields! (tongue in cheek). Seriously, do you know what it feels like to find mold on your 140+ year old rifle stocks? Makes you want to put on your "green (mold) suede shoes" and go find a dryer climate! Sparks--dried out in Utah and Idaho since 1981. Dale Nelson wrote: > I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain > isn't quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. > Over at the coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's > beside the point. Locally deer season starts the first of October and > runs for a week into November. It has been known to start raining the > first of Oct. and not stop until the 4th of July. But that doesn't > happen every year and we can have hot dry Octobers. Lewis and Clark > spent the winter at Astoria, and folks, it rains in that country, yet > the hunters were killing lots of elk, hunting in weather so wet it > rotted their buckskin clothes. I wanted to prove to myself that I > could kill a buck in a rain storm using my flintlock .62 caliber knock > off of an English sporting rifle. In order to do that I needed to do > a little practicing along with watching how others do things in the > rain. One of the first things I learned is that a flinter works much > better in the rain than a cap lock. Caps seem to draw moisture if > handled with wet fingers, let alone being in wet weather. That wasn't > a problem on account of I don't own a cap lock and was wanting to > prove a point anyhow. I just threw that in because it's one man's > experience from watching shooting matches in wet weather, so take it > for what it's worth. The first and most improtant thing I discovered > when shooting in the rain is you need a roof, and that's where that > broad brimed hat comes in. When you pour powder into the bore, > or prime you can lean a bit forward, get the rifle in close to your > body and get it loaded and primed dry. My rifle has a so called water > proof pan, and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee and they > didn't work well for me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to > condense in the pan, kind of like a wick. Here's what worked for me, > keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" tall, and was in good condition -- not > strong as a bull or anything like that -- just much better condition > than I am now at 66. I found that the warmth of my hand cupped over > the lock was enough to keep the pan dry. I used no grease or calfs > knee. Putting the balance point of the rifle in the crook of my left > arm I held the rifle tight against my stomach. After awhile I had to > use my right hand over the left to help hold the weight of the rifle > off my left arm, which after two hours was really starting to hurt. > The truth is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to, and if > it hurt it hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept > hunting. Not in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I > moved between them. The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire > day, and there was very little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't > seem to hurt quite so bad, and toughing it out I was able to ease up > on a dandy black tail buck, and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without > a rest and with instantaneous ignition I managed to unplumb his > heart. I proved to myself I could do it, and haven't been to keen > about getting that wet and cold again, so I've been inclined to hunt > during the nicer weather that happens along once in awhile. Just a > little body warmth keeps the priming from wicking water and to me > that worked better than anything else I tried. Dale > Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James and Sue Stone > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing > > Dennis, > I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I > got done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the > woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), > and before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the > Olympic Peninsula (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during > the "rainy season"...just the other nine months of the year). > > Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as > being "submersible to 300-feet." > > Sparks > > > Double Edge Forge wrote: > >> Sparks, >> MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember >> if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though.... >> D >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: James and Sue Stone >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing >> >> Thanks, Dennis. >> Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows >> knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. >> I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after >> I finish with the knee! ;-) >> Sparks >> >> Double Edge Forge wrote: >> >>>try 50/50 >>> >>>D >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "James and Sue Stone" >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM >>>Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no >>>>silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? >>>> >>>>Sparks >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------- >>>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------- >>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >>> >>> >> > --------------010107030900050201030706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave,
I was living in Waldport, and had a tidewater dock in the yard of the rental I was in. One of the places I lived in there had a fireplace. If I kept an Oregonian newspaper in the house for three days, it would be too wet to put in the fireplace and light with a match! (That ws in my pre flint-steel days). I didn't start muzzleloader hunting until I moved to eastern Idaho, but had no trouble with caplock ignition in wet or snowy weather. I didn't know what a cows knee was then, but I knew the four-wing musket caps I had on my pattern 1853 Enfield seemed to contain at least five or ten grains worth of fire. They never failed.

As far as road killed fish on the coastal highway, I would go one further and say they weren't all run over...some of them hit windshields! (tongue in cheek). Seriously, do you know what it feels like to find mold on your 140+ year old rifle stocks? Makes you want to put on your "green (mold) suede shoes" and go find a dryer climate!

Sparks--dried out in Utah and Idaho since 1981.

Dale Nelson wrote:

I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain isn't quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over at the coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the point.  Locally deer season starts the first of October and runs for a week into November. It has been known to start raining the first of Oct. and not stop until the 4th of July. But that doesn't happen every year and we can have hot dry Octobers. Lewis and Clark spent the winter at Astoria, and folks, it rains in that country, yet the hunters were killing lots of elk, hunting in weather so wet it rotted their buckskin clothes. I wanted to prove to myself that I could kill a buck in a rain storm using my flintlock .62 caliber knock off of an English sporting rifle. In order to do that I needed to do a little practicing along with watching how others do things in the rain. One of the first things I learned is that a flinter works much better in the rain than a cap lock. Caps seem to draw moisture if handled with wet fingers, let alone being in wet weather. That wasn't a problem on account of I don't own a cap lock and was wanting to prove a point anyhow. I just threw that in because it's one man's experience from watching shooting matches in wet weather, so take it for what it's worth. The first and most improtant thing I discovered when shooting in the rain is you need a roof, and that's where that broad brimed hat comes in. When you pour powder into the bore, or prime you can lean a bit forward, get the rifle in close to your body and get it loaded and primed dry.  My rifle has a so called water proof pan, and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee and they didn't work well for me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to condense in the pan, kind of like a wick. Here's what worked for me, keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" tall, and was in good condition -- not strong as a bull or anything like that -- just much better condition than I am now at 66. I found that the warmth of my hand cupped over the lock was enough to keep the pan dry. I used no grease or calfs knee. Putting the balance point of the rifle in the crook of my left arm I held the rifle tight against my stomach. After awhile I had to use my right hand over the left to help hold the weight of the rifle off my left arm, which after two hours was really starting to hurt. The truth is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to, and if it hurt it hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept hunting. Not in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I moved between them. The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire day, and there was very little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't seem to hurt quite so bad, and toughing it out I was able to ease up on a dandy black tail buck, and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without a rest and with instantaneous ignition I managed to unplumb his heart. I proved to myself I could do it, and haven't been to keen about getting that wet and cold again, so I've been inclined to hunt during the nicer weather that happens along once in awhile. Just a little body warmth keeps the priming from wicking water and to me that worked better than anything else I tried.                   Dale Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon

----- Original Message -----

From: James and Sue Stone

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing

Dennis,
I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the other nine months of the year).

Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible to 300-feet."

Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

Sparks,

MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though....

D

----- Original Message -----

From: James and Sue Stone

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing

Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! ;-)
Sparks

Double Edge Forge wrote:

try 50/50 D ----- Original Message ----- href="mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net%3E"><jandsstone@earthlink.net> href="mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com"><hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM

Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use? Sparks ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

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--------------010107030900050201030706-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 02 Dec 2003 23:09:45 -0500 On Tuesday 02 December 2003 2:58 pm, Dale Nelson wrote: > I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain isn't > quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over at the > coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the point. [snip] And, the best hunting is in the Mtns. EAST of the Willamette Valley. :) Fred -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question Date: 02 Dec 2003 23:24:50 -0700 Hi Dale, Well it could be that it was a Wood Duck, and the beaver just got confused for a minute.......... Allen At 12:11 PM 12/2/2003 -0800, you wrote: >This question is to all you beaver trappers out there. My neighbor went over to the Oregon coast at Bandon for thanksgiving. When they were there they were watching critters in the water about where the river enters the harbor. It's not a salt marsh or something like that, but a tide water enterance of the river into the bay. Along the bank close to them there was a beaver working. In the water close by were some ducks. All of a sudden one duck spread it's wings like it was going to fly, but it froze in that position. A beaver surfaced with the duck in it's mouth, swam to shore, let the dead duck go. The beaver climed out of the water, and the duck floated away totally ignored by either beaver on the bank. Has anyone on the list ever seen or heard of anything like this? I never have, and they saw the beaver out of the water and swear it had a flat beaver tail, and it wasn't an otter. Besides an otter would have enjoyed eating the duck I would think. Dale Nelson ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 03 Dec 2003 06:51:52 -0700 --------------020801070702010906000204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, Some folks hunt with a smoothbore because they can only see 50 yards where they hunt. If I did that on the coast, I would just need a bayonetted rifle, or maybe just a knife. Most days I NEVER saw my feet from the time I stepped off the road, til the time I stepped back onto the road. :-) Sparks Fred Miller wrote: >On Tuesday 02 December 2003 2:58 pm, Dale Nelson wrote: > > >>I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain isn't >>quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over at the >>coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the point. >> >> > >[snip] > >And, the best hunting is in the Mtns. EAST of the Willamette Valley. :) > >Fred > > > --------------020801070702010906000204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep,
Some folks hunt with a smoothbore because they can only see 50 yards where they hunt. If I did that on the coast, I would just need a bayonetted rifle, or maybe just a knife. Most days I NEVER saw my feet from the time I stepped off the road, til the time I stepped back onto the road. :-)
Sparks

Fred Miller wrote:

On Tuesday 02 December 2003 2:58 pm, Dale Nelson wrote:

I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain isn't quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over at the coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the point.

[snip] And, the best hunting is in the Mtns. EAST of the Willamette Valley. :) Fred

--------------020801070702010906000204-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Zeigler" Subject: MtMan-List: North Star Trade Gun Question Date: 04 Dec 2003 20:50:25 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BAA8.3DD5F510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello List: Can anyone tell me if the barells of the North Star Trade Guns are blued or browned on their completed rifles? I searched their site and it just doesn't say. Also what do their "plain = "front sights look like? Lastly; Does anyone have any pics. of the N.S. = finished Trade Guns....thank you in advance for any help....jim ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BAA8.3DD5F510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello List:=20 Can anyone tell me if the barells of the North = Star

Trade Guns are blued or = browned on=20 their completed rifles?

I searched their site = and it just=20 doesn't say. Also what do their "plain "front sights look like? Lastly; = Does=20 anyone have any pics. of the N.S. finished Trade = Guns....thank=20 you in advance for any help....jim

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C3BAA8.3DD5F510-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: North Star Trade Gun Question Date: 04 Dec 2003 18:14:51 -0800 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Jim, I have a North Star Trade gun. I bought it as a kit. It was too much kit for me, so paid a gunmaker friend of mine to put it in the white. I finished it from there. I have had it for nearly 10 years since I bought it as a kit. I had it in kit form for almost 3 years. It has been fired very little, but carried around quite a bit (canoe trips, horse trip). It has some dings, etc... but has been shot very little (50 rounds tops). I have since bought a Caywood trde gun, with rifle barrel to go with it. I'd like to sell the North Star Trade Gun I have. If you are interested, I could take some pics and send. Heck, If you just want to see it I could take some pics and send. I have a dig camera, so no real big deal. I'd like to get $800 for it. Let me know if you are interested, or just want to see it. I think it is a 36" barrel (i'd have to measure to be sure ) It is plum brown, no rear sight. It is right hand. Yfab, Randy ----- Original Message ----- Sent: 12/4/03 5:50:38 PM Hello List: Can anyone tell me if the barells of the North Star Trade Guns are blued or browned on their completed rifles? I searched their site and it just doesn't say. Also what do their "plain "front sights look like? Lastly; Does anyone have any pics. of the N.S. finished Trade Guns....thank you in advance for any help....jim ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Jim,    I have a North Star Trade gun. I bought it as a kit. It was too much kit for me, so paid a gunmaker friend of mine to put it in the white. I finished it from there. I have had it for nearly 10 years since I bought it as a kit. I had it in kit form for almost 3 years. It has been fired very little, but carried around quite a bit (canoe trips, horse trip). It has some dings, etc... but has been shot very little (50 rounds tops). I have since bought a Caywood trde gun, with rifle barrel to go with it. I'd like to sell the North Star Trade Gun I have. If you are interested, I could take some pics and send. Heck, If you just want to see it I could take some pics and send. I have a dig camera, so no real big deal. I'd like to get $800 for it. Let me know if you are interested, or just want to see it. I think it is a 36" barrel (i'd have to measure to be sure <s>) It is plum brown, no rear sight. It is right hand. Yfab, Randy

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Zeigler

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com

Sent: 12/4/03 5:50:38 PM

Subject: MtMan-List: North Star Trade Gun Question

Hello List: Can anyone tell me if the barells of the North Star

Trade Guns are blued or browned on their completed rifles?

I searched their site and it just doesn't say. Also what do their "plain "front sights look like? Lastly; Does anyone have any pics. of the N.S. finished Trade Guns....thank you in advance for any help....jim

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Iliff Subject: Re: MtMan-List: North Star Trade Gun Question Date: 04 Dec 2003 18:26:13 -0800 (PST) Hi Jim, My NSW gun was blued. VERY THIN bluing, lots of wear at handling points after considerable carrying in the wood with sweaty hands. I don't care. I ordered a plain front sight, but got a NSW sight, shaped kinda like the a compass rose. I have, or can take additional pictures if you are interested. I truly love my NSW fusee, carried it throughout this last elk season, unsuccessfully, and would recommend NSW as a quality builder. more pics available on request. Warmest Regards, Robert Iliff Centennial, Wyoming --- Jim Zeigler wrote: > Hello List: Can anyone tell me if the barells of the > North Star > Trade Guns are blued or browned on their completed > rifles? > I searched their site and it just doesn't say. Also > what do their "plain "front sights look like? > Lastly; Does anyone have any pics. of the N.S. > finished Trade Guns....thank you in advance for any > help....jim > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: North Star Trade Gun Question Date: 04 Dec 2003 21:10:24 -0700 (MST) Jim, I went into North Star West tent at Polebridge and it looked liked most of them were browned and well made and fitted. My NSW kit came with a turtle front sight. I trimed it off to just a rectangle. I love my NSW trade gun!!!! It shoots straight, the lock never fails to fire. I cannot remember the last misfire I had with it. I love it more than any other gun I own. I didn't have too much trouble with the kit. I would highly recommend North Star West!! And one more great thing about them. They are now made in Montana! bb > Hello List: Can anyone tell me if the barells of the North Star > Trade Guns are blued or browned on their completed rifles? > I searched their site and it just doesn't say. Also what do their "plain > "front sights look like? Lastly; Does anyone have any pics. of the N.S. > finished Trade Guns....thank you in advance for any help....jim > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: North Star Trade Gun/Hawkens Date: 04 Dec 2003 23:29:12 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/2003 6:13:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes: I'd like to sell the North Star Trade Gun Hey......! I've got a beautiful Green River Hawkens in 50 cal, that would make a great Christmas present for someone. Onlyest reason I'd part with it for $850, is because I've got more guns than I deserve, and don't think I've shot it more than a few times. Anyone interested, email me off list for the details, and jpgs. Ymos, Magpie Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/4/2003 6:13:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, rjbublit= z@earthlink.net writes:

I'd like to sell the North=20= Star Trade Gun

Hey......! I've got a beautiful Green River Hawkens in 50 cal, that wou= ld make a great Christmas present for someone. Onlyest reason I'd part with=20= it for $850, is because I've got more guns than I deserve, and don't th= ink I've shot it more than a few times. Anyone interested, email me off list= for the details, and jpgs.

Ymos,

Magpie
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: North Star Trade Gun Question Date: 05 Dec 2003 05:23:44 +0000 Jim, North Star West guns are now made just a couple stones throw down the road. Matt took over a couple years and I think is doing a better job than might have been done in the past. If you want more pictures just call him up or email him, he'll send em. I think you'll find him easy to talk to. SMB >From: "Jim Zeigler" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: MtMan-List: North Star Trade Gun Question >Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:50:25 -0500 > >Hello List: Can anyone tell me if the barells of the North Star >Trade Guns are blued or browned on their completed rifles? >I searched their site and it just doesn't say. Also what do their "plain >"front sights look like? Lastly; Does anyone have any pics. of the N.S. >finished Trade Guns....thank you in advance for any help....jim _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone �switch� rules are taking effect � find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: [arkansaw] L&C Historic Interpretor's Manuel Date: 05 Dec 2003 18:46:31 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3BB60.19403A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following came to me through a reenactment association I belong = to in Arkansas. This book should be of interest to many. Frank A Manual for Interpreting Lewis and Clark: A Guideline for Individuals, Groups, Historic Sites and Re-Enactments by Gene Hickman Illustrated by Ron Ukrainetz and Susan Hickman At long last we will finally be receiving the manual sometime next week. = The Publisher has them all printed and said they should be shipped out to me either today (Friday) or Monday. I will be shipping the manual from my address, and I will ship them as fast as I get the orders/checks. In = most cases shipping will be no later than the next day. Make your checks out = to the Lewis & Clark Honor Guard. The manual's 250-plus pages are filled with the best historical = information, sketches, drill procedures, and step-by-step instructions for making = your gear, getting your patterns, or other sources of "ready-made" gear. Of tremendous value will be the 12-page resource guide, and the = bibliography. Color plates (courtesy of our friends at the Frontier Army Museum Association) show the uniforms for all the military members. Charts and "planning matrixes" are included to assist in the evaluation of where = you or your group are now, and where you should be. In addition there is information on doing historical interpretation, and safety and security, with suggestions to enhance your program(s). The manual is printed loose-leaf, three hole punched and individually wrapped. As new information surfaces, additional Appendices can be = easily inserted. The cost $24.95 with $3.50 for shipping and handling. Send = your requests directly to Gene Hickman, 8842 Douglas Circle, Helena, MT = 59602, 1-406-458-3884 (email inquiries may be sent to ghickman9@bresnan.net). = Funds generated will assist in the instruction and training of new and/or fledgling Lewis and Clark living history groups nationwide. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3BB60.19403A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    The following came to me through a reenactment=20 association I belong to in Arkansas.

    This book should be of interest to many.

Frank

Subject: L&C Historic Interpretor's=20 Manuel A Manual for Interpreting Lewis and Clark: A = Guideline=20 for Individuals, Groups, Historic Sites and Re-Enactments by Gene = Hickman Illustrated by Ron Ukrainetz and Susan = Hickman At=20 long last we will finally be receiving the manual sometime next week.=20 The Publisher has them all printed and said they should be shipped = out to=20 me either today (Friday) or Monday. I will be shipping the = manual from=20 my address, and I will ship them as fast as I get the orders/checks. = In=20 most cases shipping will be no later than the next day. Make your = checks out=20 to the Lewis & Clark Honor Guard. The manual's = 250-plus=20 pages are filled with the best historical information, sketches, = drill=20 procedures, and step-by-step instructions for making your gear, = getting your=20 patterns, or other sources of "ready-made" gear. Of tremendous value = will be=20 the 12-page resource guide, and the bibliography. Color plates = (courtesy of=20 our friends at the Frontier Army Museum Association) show the = uniforms for=20 all the military members. Charts and "planning matrixes" are included = to=20 assist in the evaluation of where you or your group are now, and = where you=20 should be. In addition there is information on doing historical=20 interpretation, and safety and security, with suggestions to enhance = your=20 program(s). The manual is printed loose-leaf, three hole = punched=20 and individually wrapped. As new information surfaces, additional = Appendices=20 can be easily inserted. The cost $24.95 with $3.50 for shipping and = handling.=20 Send your requests directly to Gene Hickman, 8842 Douglas Circle, = Helena, MT=20 59602, 1-406-458-3884 (email inquiries may be sent to = ghickman9@bresnan.net).=20 Funds generated will assist in the instruction and training of new=20 and/or fledgling Lewis and Clark living history groups=20 nationwide. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3BB60.19403A40-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry" Subject: MtMan-List: L& C Manual Date: 06 Dec 2003 00:25:10 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3BB8F.6880E120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is a manual put together by Bead Shooter. Some of you will find this of interest. It has been well researched, and I know he has poured blood sweat and tears into it. Now it's done he can get back to enjoying some of the better things in life, like sharing a fire with new pilgrims and bosslopers. keep your powder dry. A Manual for Interpreting Lewis and Clark: A Guideline for Individuals, Groups, Historic Sites and Re-Enactments by Gene Hickman Illustrated by Ron Ukrainetz and Susan Hickman At long last we will finally be receiving the manual sometime next week. The Publisher has them all printed and said they should be shipped out to me either today (Friday) or Monday. I will be shipping the manual from my address, and I will ship them as fast as I get the orders/checks. In most cases shipping will be no later than the next day. Make your checks out to the Lewis & Clark Honor Guard. The manual's 250-plus pages are filled with the best historical information, sketches, drill procedures, and step-by-step instructions for making your gear, getting your patterns, or other sources of "ready-made" gear. Of tremendous value will be the 12-page resource guide, and the bibliography. Color plates (courtesy of our friends at the Frontier Army Museum Association) show the uniforms for all the military members. Charts and "planning matrixes" are included to assist in the evaluation of where you or your group are now, and where you should be. In addition there is information on doing historical interpretation, and safety and security, with suggestions to enhance your program(s). The manual is printed loose-leaf, three hole punched and individually wrapped. As new information surfaces, additional Appendices can be easily inserted. The cost $24.95 with $3.50 for shipping and handling. Send your requests directly to Gene Hickman, 8842 Douglas Circle, Helena, MT 59602, 1-406-458-3884 (email inquiries may be sent to ghickman9@bresnan.net). Funds generated will assist in the instruction and training of new and/or fledgling Lewis and Clark living history groups nationwide. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3BB8F.6880E120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The following is a manual put together by Bead = Shooter. Some=20 of you will find this of interest. It has been well = researched, and=20 I know he has poured blood sweat and tears into it. Now it's = done he=20 can get back to enjoying some of the better things in life, like sharing = a fire=20 with new pilgrims and bosslopers. keep your powder = dry.

Subject:=20 L&C Historic Interpretor's Manuel

A Manual for = Interpreting=20 Lewis and Clark:
A Guideline for Individuals, Groups, Historic Sites = and=20 Re-Enactments

by Gene Hickman

Illustrated by Ron Ukrainetz = and=20 Susan Hickman

At long last we will finally be receiving the = manual=20 sometime next
week. The Publisher has them all printed and said they = should=20 be
shipped out to me either today (Friday) or Monday. I will = be=20
shipping the manual from my address, and I will ship them as fast as =
I=20 get the orders/checks. In most cases shipping will be no later than =
the next=20 day. Make your checks out to the Lewis & Clark Honor = Guard.

The=20 manual's 250-plus pages are filled with the best historical =
information,=20 sketches, drill procedures, and step-by-step
instructions for making = your=20 gear, getting your patterns, or other
sources of "ready-made" gear. = Of=20 tremendous value will be the 12-page
resource guide, and the=20 bibliography.

Color plates (courtesy of our friends at the = Frontier Army=20 Museum
Association) show the uniforms for all the military members. = Charts=20
and "planning matrixes" are included to assist in the evaluation of=20
where you or your group are now, and where you should be. In = addition=20
there is information on doing historical interpretation, and safety =
and=20 security, with suggestions to enhance your program(s).

The manual = is=20 printed loose-leaf, three hole punched and individually
wrapped. As = new=20 information surfaces, additional Appendices can be
easily inserted. = The cost=20 $24.95 with $3.50 for shipping and
handling. Send your requests = directly to=20 Gene Hickman, 8842 Douglas
Circle, Helena, MT 59602, 1-406-458-3884 = (email=20 inquiries may be sent
to ghickman9@bresnan.net). Funds = generated will=20 assist in the
instruction and training of new and/or fledgling Lewis = and=20 Clark
living history groups nationwide.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3BB8F.6880E120-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Mocs. & Wool dress Date: 07 Dec 2003 01:04:26 EST --part1_160.29554d67.2d041cea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello in the camps I just thought I'd let ya all know on the Women of The Fur Trade web site we have put up a page on making a trade wool dress and on Crazy and Jill's site a page on making Winter Moccasins you might find of some use or interest. Crazy Cyot http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm --part1_160.29554d67.2d041cea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello in the camps=20
I just thought I'd let ya all know on the Women of The Fur Trade web sit= e we have put up a page on making a trade wool dress and on Crazy and Jill's= site a page on making Winter Moccasins you might find of some use or intere= st.
Crazy Cyot
http://member= s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm

http:= //members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm --part1_160.29554d67.2d041cea_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Mocs. & Wool dress Date: 07 Dec 2003 08:23:38 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3BC9B.6A226E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy & Jill, The boys and I were just discussing making winter mocs, so your mention = of the instructions is very timely. I have previously made a pair of the = buffalo "inners" with a second heavy pair of elk mocs to go over. = Unfortunately I had used an old chrome tan piece of buff for the inner = mocs. After they got wet a few times they got very stiff and brittle. = Consequently, they cracked and I am now in need of new ones. I'll see if = I can't get a bit of buff hide from Wes to make some more.=20 I have really enjoyed your two websites. If you don't know it you and = Jill are providing a great service with these sites. I have recommended = your sites to a number of people as a great source of good information = for pursuing our mental illness. It might however be awhile before I try = the wool dress, but Magpie is going to work on his as soon as he gets = back from the Great Buff hunt. Keep up the good work and keep us updated = on any future projects that you post. As Always,=20 Your Obedient Servant,=20 =20 Gene Hickman AKA Bead Shooter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Mocs. & Wool dress Hello in the camps=20 I just thought I'd let ya all know on the Women of The Fur Trade web = site we have put up a page on making a trade wool dress and on Crazy and = Jill's site a page on making Winter Moccasins you might find of some use = or interest.=20 Crazy Cyot=20 http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm=20 http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3BC9B.6A226E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy & Jill,

The boys and I were just discussing = making winter=20 mocs, so your mention of the instructions is very timely. I = have=20 previously made a pair of the buffalo "inners" with a second heavy = pair of=20 elk mocs to go over. Unfortunately I had used an old chrome tan piece of = buff=20 for the inner mocs. After they got wet a few times they got very stiff = and=20 brittle. Consequently, they cracked and I am now in need of new ones. = I'll see=20 if I can't get a bit of buff hide from Wes to make some = more.

I have really enjoyed your two = websites. If you=20 don't know it you and Jill are providing a great service with these = sites. I=20 have recommended your sites to a number of people as a great source of = good=20 information for pursuing our mental illness. It might however be awhile = before I=20 try the wool dress, but Magpie is going to work on his as soon as he = gets back=20 from the Great Buff hunt. Keep up the good work and keep us updated on = any=20 future projects that you post.

As Always,
Your Obedient Servant,=20

Gene Hickman AKA Bead Shooter

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 GazeingCyot@cs.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2003 11:04=20 PM

Subject: MtMan-List: Winter = Mocs. &=20 Wool dress

Hello in = the camps=20
I just thought I'd let ya all know on the Women of The Fur Trade = web site=20 we have put up a page on making a trade wool dress and on Crazy and = Jill's=20 site a page on making Winter Moccasins you might find of some use or = interest.=20
Crazy Cyot
http://members.tr= ipod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm=20

http://me= mbers.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3BC9B.6A226E60-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RICK TABOR" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 08 Dec 2003 19:25:55 -0800 I used to own a shoe repair store.( Ill have another real soon) The absolute best waterproofing product I ever used was called "Montana Pitch Blend" . It is equal parts mink oil, pine pitch,& beeswax.Send me your address and Ill send you some. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Date: 10 Dec 2003 20:50:52 -0700 (MST) Dear List, I want to do a little engraving on my new rifle kit (wood). Does anyone know a good place to get a few hand knives/chisels to do a basic engraving job? Thanks for any help bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing Date: 10 Dec 2003 22:11:47 -0800 I keep forgetting that recipe and I have all the ingredients too, well perhaps not the mink oil but that is easy to come by. Got to remember to make up a batch. Thanks for the reminder Black Shirt. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:25 PM > I used to own a shoe repair store.( Ill have another real soon) The absolute > best waterproofing product I ever used was called "Montana Pitch Blend" . It > is equal parts mink oil, pine pitch,& beeswax.Send me your address and Ill > send you some. > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get holiday tips for festive fun. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: engraving tools Date: 11 Dec 2003 09:40:19 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to do a little engraving on my new rifle kit (wood). Does anyone know a good place to get a few hand knives/chisels to do a basic engraving job? Beaverboy, You might want to try making your own. If you work you way around he website below, it contains info on making gravers from masonry nails. You can also make them from drill rod or any material that can be hardened. The square graver is the most commonly used for muzzleloading type engraving. http://www.elektricanvil.net/techniques/touchmark/ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

   I want to do a little engraving o= n my new rifle kit (wood). Does anyone
know a good place to get a few han= d knives/chisels to do a basic
engraving job?

Beaverboy,

You might want to try making your own. If you work you way around= he website below, it contains info on making gravers from masonry nail= s. You can also make them from drill rod or any material that can be h= ardened. The square graver is the most commonly used for muzzleloading= type engraving.

http://w= ww.elektricanvil.net/techniques/touchmark/
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: engraving tools Date: 11 Dec 2003 09:54:43 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3BFCC.CD348270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://shop.woodcraft.com/Woodcraft/assets/html/homepage.asp?URLCheck=3D1= http://www.leevalley.com/ bb. The two companies above Lehigh Valley and Woodcrafters sell quality wood = working tools including carving chisels. I think you can get a small set = for around $20 or so.=20 Hope this helps.=20 Do a web search for wood working tools for more links. Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3BFCC.CD348270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://shop.woodcraft.com/Woodcraft/assets/html/homepage.asp?UR= LCheck=3D1

http://www.leevalley.com/

bb.

The two companies above Lehigh Valley and Woodcrafters sell quality = wood=20 working tools including carving chisels. I think you can get a small set = for=20 around $20 or so.

Hope this helps.

Do a web search for wood working tools for more links.

Capt. Lahti'

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bb,

The links on that last post = were correct=20 but it's Lee Valley not Lehigh.

Capt. Lahti'

------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C3BFCD.0A67C6C0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thom Frazier" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=is-8859-1 Date: 11 Dec 2003 15:05:47 -0600 bb, I take from your question that you are interested in "carving" tools as that is what we do to wood. Engraving is to metal. I teach gun building at our shop here and would be glad to help you get started. Contact me at mnthom@arvig.net or 218-385-2074, as the discussion on carving is fairly lengthy. Your Servant Thom Frazier Weeping Heart Gunn Shoppe New York Mills MN -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of beaverboy@sofast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:51 PM Dear List, I want to do a little engraving on my new rifle kit (wood). Does anyone know a good place to get a few hand knives/chisels to do a basic engraving job? Thanks for any help bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: engraving tools Date: 11 Dec 2003 15:07:37 -0500 beaverboy--- can get engravers from most gunsmithing supply places or make your own out of good tool steel that can be tempered or use a tool like danny caywood uses made out of a high speed steel cutoff tool and ground to a very shallow chizzle point less than 10 degr. it gives you two cutting edges with one sharpening that way it is easy to sharpen and you put a brass end on it and can use a small chasing hammer----- to use it the flatter you let the tool lay on the stock the wider the cut the more horizontal to the metal the thinner the cut and the more you raise the tail of the cutter the deeper it goes---a lot depends on if you want to use push type of cutters or chaseing tools---you got a big learning curve to do ingraving and you will need to practice ---the big key is to keep the cutters charp as sharp as a inletting chizzel---my suggestion is to look in brownells or track or even the dixie catalog and pick up a couple to play with would cost less than $20.00 and you will have something to play with a square end cutter is usually used to do chicken track or wobble cutting not common engraving----- page 411 og the track catalog has engravers and their handels and a chasing hammer---they show 6 different kinds of gravers tips---i like the onglette and the knife tools if i am not doing chicken track engraving remember to relieve the tip slightlt and keep it sharp--- now it was not real clear if you were looking to carve the wood or the metal so the above is for the metal---if you mean to do incise carving then track also has carving chizzles as a start get apn 7103 3mm v gouge $21.50 and a pn 7204 3mm wide straight cut $13.50 and a pn 7404 4mm skew chizzle$14.00---these are german made and hold a good edge ----for a carving knife use a fat handel x-acto knife with the heavy carving blade----again the real art is to keep them sharp and i mean real sharp--- if you have a woodcrafters store near you go in and look at their stock and selection---a set of miniture miller falls will run over 50 dollers but will last a lifetime---get yourself a good strap to sharpen with and use it often---" a dull chizzel tears and a sharp one cuts"--- practice befor you start then go slow and make a good pencil layout on the wood---use your wifes emry boards for the sanding and finishing Nuff Said----- "Hawk" ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wood Carving Tools Date: 11 Dec 2003 17:35:11 -0700 (MST) Thank you everyone for the wood carving tips. I will look at some tools now before I have anymore questions. Thanks for all the links too. bb > bb, I take from your question that you are interested in "carving" tools > as > that is what we do to wood. Engraving is to metal. I teach gun building at > our shop here and would be glad to help you get started. Contact me at > mnthom@arvig.net or 218-385-2074, as the discussion on carving is fairly > lengthy. > Your Servant > Thom Frazier > Weeping Heart Gunn Shoppe > New York Mills MN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > beaverboy@sofast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:51 PM > To: hist_text@xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Dear List, > I want to do a little engraving on my new rifle kit (wood). Does anyone > know a good place to get a few hand knives/chisels to do a basic > engraving job? > Thanks for any help > bb > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Moyer@UCHSC.edu Subject: MtMan-List: canvas Date: 16 Dec 2003 10:38:03 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3FB.5B8A6E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wonder if anybody reading this can help me find an answer to the question...when did canvas first become available to the Native Americans, particularly the Southern Cheyenne. When did the Plains Indians first build lodges out of canvas? Thanks. JPM =20 John P. Moyer MD FAAP Clinical Professor of Pediatrics Associate Director Foundations of Doctoring Curriculum CU School of Medicine 4200 East 9th Avenue Denver 80262 CO 303-315-1546 FAX 303-315-1778 John.Moyer @uchsc.edu =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3FB.5B8A6E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wonder if anybody reading this can help me find an = answer to the question…when did canvas first = become available to the Native Americans, particularly the = Southern Cheyenne. When did the Plains = Indians first build lodges out of canvas?

Thanks.

JPM

John P. Moyer MD = FAAP

Clinical Professor of = Pediatrics

Associate Director Foundations of Doctoring = Curriculum

CU = School of Medicine

4200 East 9th = Avenue

Denver 80262 CO

303-315-1546

FAX 303-315-1778=

John.Moyer = @uchsc.edu

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C3FB.5B8A6E20-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 16 Dec 2003 09:58:31 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3C3BB.29715620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm new to the list. My great, great grandfather, Scott Fisher was a = French-Canadian fur trader and explorer that discovered the Great Salt = Lake with the Jim Bridger expedition according to my family history. I'm = in need of assistance in finding out more about him and anything in = writing that can document this for a book I'm writing. Anyone have info? Mary McCaslin-Blanchard mccaslin77@dslextreme.com ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3C3BB.29715620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm new to the list. My great, great = grandfather,=20 Scott Fisher was a French-Canadian fur trader and explorer that = discovered the=20 Great Salt Lake with the Jim Bridger expedition according to my family = history.=20 I'm in need of assistance in finding out more about him and anything in = writing=20 that can document this for a book I'm writing. Anyone have = info?

Mary McCaslin-Blanchard

mccaslin77@dslextreme.com
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C3C3BB.29715620-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: canvas Date: 16 Dec 2003 20:40:33 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C3C414.DA5D3F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dr Moyer I have always heard that after the elimination of the buffalo herds in = the 1870's that canvas was made available to Indians (particularly = "tame" Indians) from trading posts and reservation suttlers. I have = also heard that canvas first began to be available to Indians as wagon = born pioneers began making their way west in the 1840's. I have no idea = if this is truth or another example of made up "knowledge". Raiding = wagon trains seems like a sparse source of building material if you ask = me, but there might be some truth to it. Click the address below for an = interesting, if short, article on the subject. I expect that contacting = the author, Mr Crieghton, might lead you to the information you want. cordially Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays http://hometown.aol.com/eaglepipe1945/myhomepage/writing.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John.Moyer@UCHSC.edu=20 To: hist_text@xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: MtMan-List: canvas Wonder if anybody reading this can help me find an answer to the = question.when did canvas first become available to the Native Americans, = particularly the Southern Cheyenne. When did the Plains Indians first = build lodges out of canvas? Thanks. JPM =20 John P. Moyer MD FAAP Clinical Professor of Pediatrics Associate Director Foundations of Doctoring Curriculum CU School of Medicine 4200 East 9th Avenue Denver 80262 CO 303-315-1546 FAX 303-315-1778 John.Moyer @uchsc.edu =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C3C414.DA5D3F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dr Moyer

I have always heard that = after the=20 elimination of the buffalo herds in the 1870's that canvas was made = available to=20 Indians (particularly "tame" Indians) from trading posts and reservation = suttlers.  I have also heard that canvas first began = to be=20 available to Indians as wagon born pioneers began making their way west = in the=20 1840's. I have no idea if this is truth or another example of made = up=20 "knowledge".  Raiding wagon trains seems like a sparse = source of=20 building material if you ask me, but there might be some truth = to=20 it. Click the address below for an interesting, if short, article = on the=20 subject. I expect that contacting the author, Mr Crieghton, might = lead you=20 to the information you want.

cordially

Lanney Ratcliff
lanneyratcliff@charter.net=
______________________________________________________________
Aux= =20 Aliments du Pays

ht= tp://hometown.aol.com/eaglepipe1945/myhomepage/writing.html

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John.Moyer@UCHSC.edu

To: hist_text@xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 11:38=20 AM

Subject: MtMan-List: = canvas

Wonder if anybody = reading this can=20 help me find an answer to the question=85when did = canvas first=20 become available to the Native Americans, particularly the=20 Southern=20 Cheyenne. When did the Plains = Indians=20 first build lodges out of canvas?

Thanks.

JPM

John P. Moyer MD=20 FAAP

Clinical Professor of=20 Pediatrics

Associate Director = Foundations of=20 Doctoring Curriculum

CU=20 School of Medicine

4200 East = 9th=20 Avenue

Denver 80262 CO

303-315-1546

FAX 303-315-1778

John.Moyer=20 @uchsc.edu

------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C3C414.DA5D3F40-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Shotgun for sale Date: 16 Dec 2003 21:25:33 -0700 (MST) My friend, Big Dawg has a gun for sale. It's a CVA double barrel per. .12 ga shotgun. 28" barrels with no choke. He's asking $250. for it. Anyone interested write him, not me, at: bigdawg_52@msn.com Thank you and Merry Christmas, bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 16 Dec 2003 21:59:59 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C3C41F.F2C605C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mary Welcome to the list. Since you have made it here I assume you know how = to find Dean Rudy's web page. I wont take away all the fun of = researching this from you but if you use his search engine you may find = some stuff. Also there is an excellant list of names and where they get = meantioned available on his website as well. Both may help you. The Frenchies are sometimes harder to track since they didn't write to = much. Try to put together a rough bio of where and when he was involved = and then look for details from the journalists etc in that time and = place. Be aware that claiming that Bridger was the first to find the Great Salt = Lake is pretty contraversial. There were others in the area first and = his story is a little grand to swallow. Personally I have never = understood why this is such a big deal. It a big sinking lake! Why not = argue about who first "discovered" some of the falls on the snake that = are so beautiful or Bear Lake or some other place that is worth = discovering. I hope you find the information that you are looking for and I hope you = stay in touch with this list because it is a great resource for = historical writers, but beware we are hard on authors. I think the = last one nearly cried when we told them that if they wanted it to be at = all believable they were going to have to get dirty and cold and do some = work. One of our members drug on author half way across the country and = made her camp on the ground and walk a lot and meet some of the wildest = men in the country. We still toast her memory sometimes aint that right = Lanney? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron & Mary Blanchard=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:58 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake I'm new to the list. My great, great grandfather, Scott Fisher was a = French-Canadian fur trader and explorer that discovered the Great Salt = Lake with the Jim Bridger expedition according to my family history. I'm = in need of assistance in finding out more about him and anything in = writing that can document this for a book I'm writing. Anyone have info? Mary McCaslin-Blanchard mccaslin77@dslextreme.com ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C3C41F.F2C605C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mary

Welcome to the list. Since you = have made it=20 here I assume you know how to find Dean Rudy's web page. I wont = take away=20 all the fun of researching this from you but if you use his search=20 engine you may find some stuff. Also there is an excellant = list of=20 names and where they get meantioned available on his website as = well. Both=20 may help you.

The Frenchies are sometimes harder to = track since=20 they didn't write to much. Try to put together a rough bio of = where and=20 when he was involved and then look for details from the journalists etc = in that=20 time and place.

Be aware that claiming that Bridger was = the first=20 to find the Great Salt Lake is pretty contraversial. There were = others in=20 the area first and his story is a little grand to swallow. = Personally I=20 have never understood why this is such a big deal. It a big = sinking=20 lake!  Why not argue about who first "discovered" some of the = falls on=20 the snake that are so beautiful or Bear Lake or some other place that is = worth=20 discovering.

I hope you find the information that = you are=20 looking for and I hope you stay in touch with this list because it = is a=20 great resource for historical writers, but beware we are hard on=20 authors.  I think the last one nearly cried when we told them = that if=20 they wanted it to be at all believable they were going to have to get = dirty and=20 cold and do some work. One of our members drug on author half = way=20 across the country and made her camp on the ground and walk a lot = and meet=20 some of the wildest men in the country. We still = toast her=20 memory sometimes aint that right Lanney?

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron=20 & Mary Blanchard

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 10:58=20 AM

Subject: MtMan-List: Discovery = of Great=20 Salt Lake

I'm new to the list. My great, great = grandfather,=20 Scott Fisher was a French-Canadian fur trader and explorer that = discovered the=20 Great Salt Lake with the Jim Bridger expedition according to my family = history. I'm in need of assistance in finding out more about him and = anything=20 in writing that can document this for a book I'm writing. Anyone have=20 info?

Mary McCaslin-Blanchard

mccaslin77@dslextreme.com
------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C3C41F.F2C605C0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 17 Dec 2003 05:28:01 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3C45E.89D3B9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn, Thanks so much for the sage advice. My book is primarily a = genealogical study. Actually I do have handwritten records on this = branch of my family that are written in French. My grandfather, Bert = Fisher, when he was alive spoke to my family about his explorer = grandfather. Years ago there was a question on the t.v. program, = "Jeopardy", which specifically acknowledged Scott Fisher as a sidekick, = so to speak of Jim Bridger, when they discovered the Great Salt Lake. My = grandfather was born in MT. in an area that Bridger traveled through, so = I'm really sure the family history is correct. I'm not prepared and = won't debate about the claim of being the first discoverers though. Like = yourself, I don't understand the big to do. I'm not familiar with Dean = Rudy's web page, but will try and find it. Thanks again.- Mary ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3C45E.89D3B9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wynn, Thanks so much for the sage = advice. My book=20 is primarily a genealogical study. Actually I do have handwritten = records on=20 this branch of my family that are written in French. My grandfather, = Bert=20 Fisher, when he was alive spoke to my family about his explorer = grandfather.=20 Years ago there was a question on the t.v. program, "Jeopardy", which=20 specifically acknowledged Scott Fisher as a sidekick, so to speak of Jim = Bridger, when they discovered the Great Salt Lake. My grandfather was = born in=20 MT. in an area that Bridger traveled through, so I'm really sure the = family=20 history is correct. I'm not prepared and won't debate about the claim of = being=20 the first discoverers though. Like yourself, I don't understand the big = to do.=20 I'm not familiar with Dean Rudy's web page, but will try and find it. = Thanks=20 again.- Mary
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3C45E.89D3B9B0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 17 Dec 2003 18:37:47 -0600 Ron, I just took a quick glance through Leroy Hafen's "The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West" in Volume IV, p.97 he offers a biographical sketch of a Robert Fisher who was more a contemporary of Kit Carson. He was involved in the SW Taos and Santa Fe trade. Hiram Scott Volume I, p.355 was one of General Ashley's one hundred "enterprising young men," he is a mysterious character of which little is truly known and much is speculated; he was certainly a comrade of Bridger's at one time or another. These are the only names Hafen has associated with Scott or Fisher. SnakeOyl... At 07:28 AM 12/17/03, you wrote: >Wynn, Thanks so much for the sage advice. My book is primarily a >genealogical study. Actually I do have handwritten records on this branch >of my family that are written in French. My grandfather, Bert Fisher, when >he was alive spoke to my family about his explorer grandfather. Years ago >there was a question on the t.v. program, "Jeopardy", which specifically >acknowledged Scott Fisher as a sidekick, so to speak of Jim Bridger, when >they discovered the Great Salt Lake. My grandfather was born in MT. in an >area that Bridger traveled through, so I'm really sure the family history >is correct. I'm not prepared and won't debate about the claim of being the >first discoverers though. Like yourself, I don't understand the big to do. >I'm not familiar with Dean Rudy's web page, but will try and find it. >Thanks again.- Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Zeigler" Subject: MtMan-List: Hawken Inquiry Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:43:59 -0500 Hello List: Does anyone have any information on the large caliber, Hawken rifle that Ashley had made for his journey west?....thanks.....jim ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 17 Dec 2003 20:40:12 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3C4DD.F7D90F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mary Click here for Dean Rudy's web page: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron & Mary Blanchard=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Wynn, Thanks so much for the sage advice. My book is primarily a = genealogical study. Actually I do have handwritten records on this = branch of my family that are written in French. My grandfather, Bert = Fisher, when he was alive spoke to my family about his explorer = grandfather. Years ago there was a question on the t.v. program, = "Jeopardy", which specifically acknowledged Scott Fisher as a sidekick, = so to speak of Jim Bridger, when they discovered the Great Salt Lake. My = grandfather was born in MT. in an area that Bridger traveled through, so = I'm really sure the family history is correct. I'm not prepared and = won't debate about the claim of being the first discoverers though. Like = yourself, I don't understand the big to do. I'm not familiar with Dean = Rudy's web page, but will try and find it. Thanks again.- Mary ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3C4DD.F7D90F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mary

Click here for Dean Rudy's = web page: http://www.xmission.com/= ~drudy/amm.html

Lanney = Ratcliff

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron=20 & Mary Blanchard
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, = 2003 7:28=20 AM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Discovery of=20 Great Salt Lake

Wynn, Thanks so much for the sage = advice. My book=20 is primarily a genealogical study. Actually I do have handwritten = records on=20 this branch of my family that are written in French. My grandfather, = Bert=20 Fisher, when he was alive spoke to my family about his explorer = grandfather.=20 Years ago there was a question on the t.v. program, "Jeopardy", which=20 specifically acknowledged Scott Fisher as a sidekick, so to speak of = Jim=20 Bridger, when they discovered the Great Salt Lake. My grandfather was = born in=20 MT. in an area that Bridger traveled through, so I'm really sure the = family=20 history is correct. I'm not prepared and won't debate about the claim = of being=20 the first discoverers though. Like yourself, I don't understand the = big to do.=20 I'm not familiar with Dean Rudy's web page, but will try and find it. = Thanks=20 again.- Mary
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C3C4DD.F7D90F80-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 17 Dec 2003 21:12:45 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C3C4E2.8406D880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mary At this sight is a list of names of men involved in the fur trade by = Mike Moore who has been on this list and maybe still is so we better not = say bad things about him. ;-) http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/names/names.html Look up the Fisher name. There are several listed with sources listed = in abbreviated form. Some of those sources are available other places = on the web. Some you may have to go to a library to find. It will give = you a good start. Remember that sometimes men were known by different = first names. Scott does not have a paticularly French sound to it, so = it could be an Americanized name which would make it even easier for him = to have another one. You know that even a geneolical book needs to be well researched. Maybe = you ought to go out and wade into the cold water and catch a beaver. It = would give you a better appreciation for the life Grandpa Scott lived. Wynn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron & Mary Blanchard=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:28 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Wynn, Thanks so much for the sage advice. My book is primarily a = genealogical study. Actually I do have handwritten records on this = branch of my family that are written in French. My grandfather, Bert = Fisher, when he was alive spoke to my family about his explorer = grandfather. Years ago there was a question on the t.v. program, = "Jeopardy", which specifically acknowledged Scott Fisher as a sidekick, = so to speak of Jim Bridger, when they discovered the Great Salt Lake. My = grandfather was born in MT. in an area that Bridger traveled through, so = I'm really sure the family history is correct. I'm not prepared and = won't debate about the claim of being the first discoverers though. Like = yourself, I don't understand the big to do. I'm not familiar with Dean = Rudy's web page, but will try and find it. Thanks again.- Mary ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C3C4E2.8406D880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mary

At this sight is a list of names of men = involved in=20 the fur trade by Mike Moore who has been on this list and maybe still is = so we=20 better not say bad things about him. ;-)

http:= //www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/names/names.html

Look up the Fisher name. There = are several=20 listed with sources listed in abbreviated form. Some of those = sources are=20 available other places on the web. Some you may have to go to a = library to=20 find. It will give you a good start. Remember that sometimes = men=20 were known by different first names. Scott does not have a = paticularly=20 French sound to it, so it could be an Americanized name which would make = it even=20 easier for him to have another one.

You know that even a geneolical book = needs to be=20 well researched. Maybe you ought to go out and wade into the cold = water=20 and catch a beaver. It would give you a better appreciation for = the life=20 Grandpa Scott lived.

Wynn

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron=20 & Mary Blanchard
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, = 2003 6:28=20 AM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Discovery of=20 Great Salt Lake

Wynn, Thanks so much for the sage = advice. My book=20 is primarily a genealogical study. Actually I do have handwritten = records on=20 this branch of my family that are written in French. My grandfather, = Bert=20 Fisher, when he was alive spoke to my family about his explorer = grandfather.=20 Years ago there was a question on the t.v. program, "Jeopardy", which=20 specifically acknowledged Scott Fisher as a sidekick, so to speak of = Jim=20 Bridger, when they discovered the Great Salt Lake. My grandfather was = born in=20 MT. in an area that Bridger traveled through, so I'm really sure the = family=20 history is correct. I'm not prepared and won't debate about the claim = of being=20 the first discoverers though. Like yourself, I don't understand the = big to do.=20 I'm not familiar with Dean Rudy's web page, but will try and find it. = Thanks=20 again.- Mary
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C3C4E2.8406D880-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 04:26:48 +0000 Yes, you never know who may be lurking!;) Mary, I haven't found the relative of yours, but never fear. I will be updating the 1700+ names I have on the list this winter. I know I can add maybe 200 more and you never know where he may turn up at. You might even do a web search if you haven't already, he may turn up on some of the Mormon rolls which are quite good. mike. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Content-Type: text/plain; Date: 17 Dec 2003 22:57:37 -0600 Wynn wrote: One of our members drug one author half way across the country and made her camp on the ground and walk a lot and meet some of the wildest men in the country. We still toast her memory sometimes aint that right Lanney? We absolutely do, brother. In fact a number of us will be visiting her grave in February and I assure you there will be a toast raised to Laura Jean. That should be quite a day......a visit to the Alamo in period dress and having a shot of Jack Black with our good friend, Laura Jean. Yessir, quite a day. Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 05:30:54 -0800 Mike- I found him on Dean Rudy's website on a list done by Moore. His first name was missing but he was listed as a trapper. The book he's supposed to be listed in according to the website is "A Rendezous Reader" by James Maguire. I haven't read the book yet, so don't know much more than that. Since there were several other "Fisher" men listed I'll be looking up those names to see if I have a connection there too. Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 05:32:44 -0800 Mike, By chance is the list on D. Rudy's website yours? Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 05:36:55 -0800 SnakeOyl, Thanks for looking up this info. My mother repeatedly calls him "Scott". The family records give him initials of "T.B. Fisher". Unfortunately both the relative that compiled the records in French and my mother are quite old. The game show, Jeporady listed him as "Scott". The last name in Canada was Poissant, just as a point of interest. Since he was French Canadian, T.B. and Scott or ??? may apply. Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 05:38:02 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3C529.1A57AB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lanney, Thanks! Mary ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3C529.1A57AB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lanney,

Thanks!

Mary
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Thanks Wynn- = Mary
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3C529.7F534340-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 14:10:01 +0000 Yes, Mary it is I. The project started out because I wanted to know how many men there were in the west during the fur trade. When I came up with the list a few years ago, it surprised me on the number that I found. Since then I have added to my library quite a bit and am ready to up date it. As far as I know, no one else has ever done this. And it is free for all to use! I have a few projects like this going on, one is a big calendar that I record every date I find (births, deaths, battles, marriages, arrivals, departures... etc.) for this time frame and figure it will be ready in a few years to be put out for people to use. To date I have about 500 entries on it. mike. > Mike, > By chance is the list on D. Rudy's website yours? > Mary > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 14:12:10 +0000 The book you mentioned "Rendezvous Reader" is a fairly new one that came out a few years ago and should still be availible. It is a collection of stories from journals that were combined into one interesting book. > Mike- I found him on Dean Rudy's website on a list done by Moore. His first > name was missing but he was listed as a trapper. The book he's supposed to > be listed in according to the website is "A Rendezous Reader" by James > Maguire. I haven't read the book yet, so don't know much more than that. > Since there were several other "Fisher" men listed I'll be looking up those > names to see if I have a connection there too. > Mary > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 18 Dec 2003 07:10:41 -0800 Mike, I believe that the ___Fisher, trapper, entry on your list may be my "Scott" Fisher, gggrandfather. I'll check out the book, but I'm sure my family history is solid. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean Date: 18 Dec 2003 14:15:49 -0500 On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:57:37 -0600 "Lanney Ratcliff" writes: > We absolutely do, brother. In fact a number of us will be visiting her > grave in February and I assure you there will be a toast raised to Laura > Jean. That should be quite a day......a visit to the Alamo in period dress > and having a shot of Jack Black with our good friend, Laura Jean. > Yessir, quite a day. > > Lanney Ratcliff > lanneyratcliff@charter.net "heres to shining times and old friends and to miss laura jean" Nuff Said--- "Hawk" ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean Date: 20 Dec 2003 19:36:39 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/03 2:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, hawknest4@juno.com writes: > We absolutely do, brother. In fact a number of us will be visiting her > grave in February and I assure you there will be a toast raised to Laura > Jean. Did any one find her hot nut recipe? If so PLEASE forward it to me off line. I know I had promised a few guys off the list my recipe, but I lost them on my old computer. Please say a prayer for me graveside. Watch your topknot John Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/19/03 2:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, hawknest4= @juno.com writes:

> We absolutely do, brother. In fact=20= a number of us will be visiting
her
> grave in February and I assu= re you there will be a toast raised to
Laura
> Jean. <= /BLOCKQUOTE>

Did any one find her hot nut recipe? If so PLEASE forward it to m= e off line. I know I had promised a few guys off the list my recipe, b= ut I lost them on my old computer. Please say a prayer for me gravesid= e.

Watch your topknot

John
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean Date: 20 Dec 2003 20:23:29 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C737.21A472E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John I talked to Laura Jean's husband, Phillip, last winter about the hot nut = recipe (she called it Mountaineer's Nuts) and he didn't have a clue = where it might be but he promised to look for it and get back to me but = he has been pretty busy in the interim.....he is a =20 Lt Colonel in the Army at Ft Lewis, WA. I will call him again and ask = about the nut recipe when things cool off a little more. I know they = were roasted with spices and hot sauce and I suppose you could make them = just about any way you like. I posted the recipe (or maybe Laura Jean = did, I disremember) and a diligent search of the archives might turn = them up. I fully intend to say a prayer at her grave as I do every time I visit = and I expect several other men will, too. We gotcha covered. later Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JSeminerio@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean In a message dated 12/19/03 2:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, = hawknest4@juno.com writes: > We absolutely do, brother. In fact a number of us will be = visiting=20 her > grave in February and I assure you there will be a toast raised to = Laura > Jean.=20 Did any one find her hot nut recipe? If so PLEASE forward it to me = off line. I know I had promised a few guys off the list my recipe, but = I lost them on my old computer. Please say a prayer for me graveside. Watch your topknot John ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C737.21A472E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John

I talked to Laura Jean's = husband,=20 Phillip, last winter about the hot nut recipe (she called it = Mountaineer's=20 Nuts) and he didn't have a clue where it might be but he promised to = look for it=20 and get back to me but he has been pretty busy in the interim.....he is = a =20

Lt Colonel in the Army at = Ft Lewis,=20 WA. I will call him again and ask about the nut recipe when things = cool=20 off a little more. I know they were roasted with spices and hot = sauce and=20 I suppose you could make them just about any way you like. I = posted the=20 recipe (or maybe Laura Jean did, I disremember) and a diligent search of = the=20 archives might turn them up.

I fully intend to say a = prayer at her=20 grave as I do every time I visit and I expect several other men = will,=20 too. We gotcha covered.

later

Lanney

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JSeminerio@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Saturday, December 20, = 2003 6:36=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura = jean

In a message dated 12/19/03 2:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, hawknest4@juno.com = writes:
> We absolutely do, brother. In fact a number = of us will=20 be visiting
her
> grave in February and I assure you there = will be=20 a toast raised to
Laura
> = Jean.

Did any one find her hot nut recipe? If so PLEASE forward = it to me=20 off line. I know I had promised a few guys off the list my = recipe, but I=20 lost them on my old computer. Please say a prayer for me=20 graveside.

Watch your topknot

John
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3C737.21A472E0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Gresham M/L Show... Date: 21 Dec 2003 00:43:04 EST --part1_1cc.165efe4d.2d168ce8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Boys, Anyone know the dates for the Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in January sometime.... Thanks, Magpie --part1_1cc.165efe4d.2d168ce8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy Boys,
Anyone know the dates for the Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in January=20= sometime....

Thanks,
Magpie --part1_1cc.165efe4d.2d168ce8_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gresham M/L Show... Date: 20 Dec 2003 22:07:20 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C3C745.A34A4410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jan. 17/18. Thought I posted it. Guess not.=20 Anyway we can start planning.=20 Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SWcushing@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Gresham M/L Show... Howdy Boys, Anyone know the dates for the Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in = January sometime.... Thanks, Magpie ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C3C745.A34A4410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jan. 17/18. Thought I = posted it.=20 Guess not.

Anyway we can start = planning.=20

Capt. L

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SWcushing@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Saturday, December 20, = 2003 9:43=20 PM

Subject: MtMan-List: Gresham = M/L=20 Show...

Howdy Boys,
Anyone know the dates for = the=20 Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in January=20 sometime....

Thanks,
Magpie = ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C3C745.A34A4410-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Gottfred" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 21 Dec 2003 08:20:08 -0700 "Mary Blanchard" mccaslin77@dslextreme.com wrote: <<. My mother repeatedly calls him "Scott". The family records give him initials of "T.B. Fisher". Unfortunately both the relative that compiled the records in French and my mother are quite old.>> I wonder if his initials weren't T.B. but J.B., which is short for Jean-Baptiste, an extremely common French-Canadian name; John the Baptist is one of two patron saints of Quebec. (The other is Ste. Anne.) And I'm guessing that the surname is Poisson (in modern spelling), which means fish. (BTW, Fisher is Pecheur.) Both Poisson and Poissant are common French-Canadian surnames. Your very humble & most obedient servant, Angela Gottfred ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 21 Dec 2003 07:48:22 -0800 Angela, J-B is a name on the Poissant side of the family. I just connected with a 2 cousin on the Fisher side that I'm starting to email. I'm plodding along looking for clues still. Thanks for the thought. I'll examine the JB further.- Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 21 Dec 2003 07:48:22 -0800 Angela, J-B is a name on the Poissant side of the family. I just connected with a 2 cousin on the Fisher side that I'm starting to email. I'm plodding along looking for clues still. Thanks for the thought. I'll examine the JB further.- Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 21 Dec 2003 07:48:22 -0800 Angela, J-B is a name on the Poissant side of the family. I just connected with a 2 cousin on the Fisher side that I'm starting to email. I'm plodding along looking for clues still. Thanks for the thought. I'll examine the JB further.- Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron & Mary Blanchard" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discovery of Great Salt Lake Date: 21 Dec 2003 07:48:22 -0800 Angela, J-B is a name on the Poissant side of the family. I just connected with a 2 cousin on the Fisher side that I'm starting to email. I'm plodding along looking for clues still. Thanks for the thought. I'll examine the JB further.- Mary ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean Date: 21 Dec 2003 14:16:33 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/03 9:27:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes: I fully intend to say a prayer at her grave as I do every time I visit and I expect several other men will, too. We gotcha covered. later Lanney Thanks Guys If you're ever in the big coty (NYC) dinner is on me! Merry & a Happy Watch your topknot John Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/20/03 9:27:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, lanneyrat= cliff@charter.net writes:

I fully intend to say a prayer=20= at her grave as I do every time I visit and I expect several other men=20= will, too. We gotcha covered.

later

Lanney

Thanks Guys

If you're ever in the big coty (NYC) dinner is on me!

Merry & a Happy

Watch your topknot

John
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim-Ken Carpenter" Subject: MtMan-List: Back on the List Date: 21 Dec 2003 12:52:23 -0800 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello in Camp, Been off the list for awhile; well several years actually. It is good to see some of the same names still participating. Done a couple of things since I last was on the list. I had been to all rendezvous sites 1826 to 1840 but hadn't gotten to 1825. Been there now. Also, we visited the site where Henry Fraeb was killed on St. Vrains Fork, near Savery WY. I went to the property owner and asked if I could trespass to see the site. She thought I was from the government and was a little skeptical. I showed her Leighton Baker's book I was carrying and dropped a couple of local's names that I know and she allowed me to go on the property. So, my wife and I and a couple of the kids waded through the creek to the confluence. We took note of the hillside that the women and children took refuge at during the fight. Just neat to be there. Took several pictures. Good to be back, Carp ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hello in Camp,

Been off the list for awhile; well several years actually. It is good to see some of the same names still participating.

Done a couple of things since I last was on the list. I had been to all rendezvous sites 1826 to 1840 but hadn't gotten to 1825. Been there now.

Also, we visited the site where Henry Fraeb was killed on St. Vrains Fork, near Savery WY. I went to the property owner and asked if I could trespass to see the site. She thought I was from the government and was a little skeptical. I showed her Leighton Baker's book I was carrying and dropped a couple of local's names that I know and she allowed me to go on the property. So, my wife and I and a couple of the kids waded through the creek to the confluence. We took note of the hillside that the women and children took refuge at during the fight. Just neat to be there.  Took several pictures.

Good to be back,

Carp

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Back on the List Date: 21 Dec 2003 21:41:36 +0000 Ken, The battle mountain site you were at (where fraep died) is a nice one. It has been in the family for a few generations and has alot of history to it. Did you see or hear that where the Squaw Mountain edge touches the area on the other side of the creek was the traditional place for John Johnston's cabin? It is always good to meet some one who else who finds and searches out old out of the way historical sites. mike. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim-Ken Carpenter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Back on the List Date: 21 Dec 2003 14:08:43 -0800 I inquired with locals at the museum in Savery and that's about what they told me. Haven't been there...yet. That is one I would like to find. We are moving to Colorado when I retire. That is on the list of "to dos." I would like to find Johnston's cabin site and the site where they took Jim Baker's cabin from. The latter should be easy. It would be great to gather a brigade of interested people and go search these things out. Yes, we make entire vacations out of searching for history. Gotta get off the interstate and search out those back roads. Good to hear from you. Carp > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 12/21/2003 1:41:36 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Back on the List > > Ken, > The battle mountain site you were at (where fraep died) > is a nice one. It has been in the family for a few generations > and has alot of history to it. Did you see or hear that where > the Squaw Mountain edge touches the area on the other side of the > creek was the traditional place for John Johnston's cabin? > It is always good to meet some one who else who finds and searches > out old out of the way historical sites. > mike. > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Happy Holidays Date: 21 Dec 2003 18:17:41 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just want to wish everyone a Happy Holiday. Go here: http://www.wizzywigweb.com/card/ (Give it a minute to load) Longshot Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Longshot ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean Date: 21 Dec 2003 18:07:04 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3C7ED.3D057410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was in NYC in August, 1967......spent dang near a whole day there. = When that experience wears off I might come back for a visit and will = take you up on the offer. I had rare roast beef on a hard roll and a = cold beer from a deli not very far from Times Square. That was a prime = meal. Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JSeminerio@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean In a message dated 12/20/03 9:27:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, = lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes: I fully intend to say a prayer at her grave as I do every time I = visit and I expect several other men will, too. We gotcha covered. later Lanney Thanks Guys If you're ever in the big coty (NYC) dinner is on me! Merry & a Happy Watch your topknot John ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3C7ED.3D057410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was in NYC in August, = 1967......spent=20 dang near a whole day there. When that experience wears off I = might come=20 back for a visit and will take you up on the offer. I had rare = roast beef=20 on a hard roll and a cold beer from a deli not very far from Times=20 Square. That was a prime meal.

Lanney

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JSeminerio@aol.com

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 = 1:16=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura = jean

In a message dated 12/20/03 9:27:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net= =20 writes:

I fully intend to say a = prayer at=20 her grave as I do every time I visit and I expect several other = men=20 will, too. We gotcha covered.

later

Lanney

Thanks Guys

If you're ever in the big coty (NYC) dinner is on me!

Merry & a Happy

Watch your topknot

John
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3C7ED.3D057410-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RICK TABOR" Subject: MtMan-List: NYC story Date: 21 Dec 2003 23:35:36 -0800 I have a friend that was in NYC for a Western art show. He went to a little deli and ordered a roast beef on sour dough and a Henry's. The old gal behind the counter looked at him and said,"Well cowboy,yer gettin a corn beef on rye and a Bud!" and that's exactly what he got. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: More Daylight. Date: 22 Dec 2003 02:05:58 -0700 (MST) Yee ha! Shortess day of the year!! It's all down hill from here. I love this day! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More Daylight. Date: 22 Dec 2003 10:27:01 -0800 I love just making to this and every other day each year. Capt. L ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NYC story Date: 22 Dec 2003 16:14:27 -0500 On Monday 22 December 2003 2:35 am, RICK TABOR wrote: > I have a friend that was in NYC for a Western art show. He went to a little > deli and ordered a roast beef on sour dough and a Henry's. The old gal > behind the counter looked at him and said,"Well cowboy,yer gettin a corn > beef on rye and a Bud!" and that's exactly what he got. Those of us in Upstate NY have for a LONG time wanted NY City to be made into a territory or somesuch - whatever, just OUT of NY State. Fred -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: laura jean Date: 22 Dec 2003 23:25:29 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/03 7:10:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes: I had rare roast beef on a hard roll and a cold beer from a deli not very far from Times Square. That was a prime meal. We can offer a little better than that now ! LOL Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/21/03 7:10:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, lanneyrat= cliff@charter.net writes:

I had rare roast beef on=20= a hard roll and a cold beer from a deli not very far from Times Square.= That was a prime meal.

We can offer a little better than that now ! LOL
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More Daylight. Date: 23 Dec 2003 06:48:55 -0700 (MST) Oh and Merry Christmas to everyone! bb > Yee ha! Shortess day of the year!! It's all down hill from here. > I love this day! > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Quilter Subject: MtMan-List: Merry Christmas to All Date: 23 Dec 2003 10:44:29 -0800 To my companions on the trail As the highly anticipated day finally draws near, may all of us enjoy a warm and loving celebration with good companions around a warm fire. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Yr Obt Svt Pat Quilter. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Merry Christmas to All Date: 23 Dec 2003 16:15:13 -0600 And to you sir...Hope the Quake of 2003 was kind to ya. John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:44 PM > To my companions on the trail > > As the highly anticipated day finally draws near, may all of us enjoy a warm > and loving celebration with good companions around a warm fire. > > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! > > Yr Obt Svt > > Pat Quilter. > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Gerke" Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman GPR Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:54:45 -0700 I have a Lyman GPR .54 cal flintlock for sale if anyone is interested. The rifle is about 9 months old. I have an extra ram rod, touch hole liner and short starter to throw in. If my cows knee doesn't fit my new rifle I'll throw that in as well. The reason I am selling is to help pay for my new Isaac Haines Lancaster. I'm asking $275 + shipping costs if you don't live in the Salt Lake area. Phone: 801-576-0165 Email: jgerke@azteca.com Jeff ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman GPR Date: 24 Dec 2003 08:04:00 -0700 Hi Jeff, Are you around today? Sparks Jeff Gerke wrote: >I have a Lyman GPR .54 cal flintlock for sale if anyone is interested. The >rifle is about 9 months old. I have an extra ram rod, touch hole liner and >short starter to throw in. If my cows knee doesn't fit my new rifle I'll >throw that in as well. The reason I am selling is to help pay for my new >Isaac Haines Lancaster. I'm asking $275 + shipping costs if you don't live >in the Salt Lake area. Phone: 801-576-0165 Email: jgerke@azteca.com > >Jeff > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Glover Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman Great Plins Rifle Date: 24 Dec 2003 12:42:26 -0700 Hello all, A friend of mine who is just getting into the blackpowder/Buckskinning game has a Lyman Great Plains Flintlock for sale. It's practically brand new. Seems he now wants a custom Lancaster flinter. The gun is less than a year old and i'd guess has less than 50 shots through it. He's offering a great deal on it. Here's the info. Lyman GPR Flintlock .54 cal. Extra ramrod and touch hole liner. Asking $275 jgerke@azteca.com (801) 576-0165 Thanks for the help! Jeff ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Great Plins Rifle Date: 24 Dec 2003 15:29:15 -0700 I've seen this particular rifle knock over the little sillouette at 50 yards. Sparks Todd Glover wrote: >Hello all, > >A friend of mine who is just getting into the blackpowder/Buckskinning >game has a Lyman Great Plains Flintlock for sale. It's practically brand >new. Seems he now wants a custom Lancaster flinter. >The gun is less than a year old and i'd guess has less than 50 shots >through it. He's offering a great deal on it. >Here's the info. > >Lyman GPR Flintlock .54 cal. >Extra ramrod and touch hole liner. >Asking $275 >jgerke@azteca.com >(801) 576-0165 > >Thanks for the help! > >Jeff > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: tin marking Date: 24 Dec 2003 18:44:35 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3CA4D.F9EC2080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My three sons are getting tin cups tomarrow and also several of us in = the PRP use the same makers tinware so it is getting tough to tell whose = is whose. How do you mark tin? 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My three sons are getting tin cups = tomarrow and=20 also several of us in the PRP use the same makers tinware so it is = getting=20 tough to tell whose is whose.

How do you mark tin?

Wynn Ormond

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C3CA4D.F9EC2080-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin marking Date: 24 Dec 2003 18:18:56 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01C3CA4A.649D7FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn, I've been known to dent the sides of a tin cup/pot with marks to tell = the amount of liquids up to a mark, without hurting the coating of tin. No reason you can't do a similar thing with your cups. Use a rounded = point to do the denting and a soft backing to tap against to make the = impression. "Dent" a set of initials or identifying mark. Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01C3CA4A.649D7FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wynn,

I've been known to = dent the sides=20 of a tin cup/pot with marks to tell the amount of liquids up to a mark, = without=20 hurting the coating of tin.

No reason you can't do = a similar=20 thing with your cups. Use a rounded point to do the denting and a soft = backing=20 to tap against to make the impression. "Dent" a set of initials or = identifying=20 mark.

Capt. = Lahti'

------=_NextPart_000_0145_01C3CA4A.649D7FE0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin marking Date: 24 Dec 2003 22:49:45 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/2003 6:20:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, amm1719@charter.net writes: "Dent" a set of initials or identifying mark. I did the same thing with a copper 'mug' so as to use it as a measuring cup as well as a drinking vessel; got the idea from a Goose Bay Workshops (Peter Goebels) period correct piece. Works on tin, too. Barney Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/24/2003 6:20:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, amm1719= @charter.net writes:

"Dent" a set of init= ials or identifying mark.

I did the sam= e thing with a copper 'mug' so as to use it as a measuring cup as well as a=20= drinking vessel; got the idea from a Goose Bay Workshops (Peter Goebels) per= iod correct piece. Works on tin, too.

&n= bsp;

Barney
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin marking Date: 24 Dec 2003 22:50:58 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes: How do you mark tin? Wynn, Another method I forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with trade wool or leather..... Barney Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, cheyenn= e@pcu.net writes:

How do you mark tin?

Wynn, Another meth= od I forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with trade wool or leather....= .   Barney
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin marking Date: 24 Dec 2003 21:59:39 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3CA69.3A47D9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a big tin cup with a leather wrapped handle not for = identification so much as insulation when cooking in the cup. I tied a = couple of unusual beads to the handle for ID. Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LivingInThePast@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin marking In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, = cheyenne@pcu.net writes: How do you mark tin? Wynn, Another method I forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with = trade wool or leather..... Barney ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3CA69.3A47D9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a big tin cup with a = leather=20 wrapped handle not for identification so much as insulation when cooking = in the=20 cup. I tied a couple of unusual beads to the handle for = ID.

Lanney

----- Original Message -----
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To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Wednesday, December 24, = 2003 9:50=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin=20 marking

In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, = cheyenne@pcu.net writes:

How do you mark=20 tin?

Wynn, = Another method I=20 forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with trade wool or=20 leather.....  =20 Barney
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C3CA69.3A47D9B0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: marking tin Date: 25 Dec 2003 06:05:46 -0800 (PST) A man what can't tell his own cup ain't spent enough time on the trail! Besides which, if yer thirsty enough, what difference does it make? A man offers a cup, it's rude to refuse! Best of the season to all, and may your camps be warm and the coffee hot. Cheers, Dog __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: �Disfrute Florida ganando 1345 US$! Date: 25 Dec 2003 23:34:36 +0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_737_DD83_751AB5AE.2AC6AF6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_737_DD83_751AB5AE.2AC6AF6D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Disfrute sus 1345 dolares

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------=_NextPart_737_DD83_751AB5AE.2AC6AF6D-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tin marking Date: 25 Dec 2003 18:23:37 -0600 --=====================_2563558==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Tin cups are notorious for burning the lips off your face when attempting >to drink hot liquids, so get rid of the tin and get each person thier own >distictively colored stonewear mug. I have one without a handle that fits >perfectly inside of my boiler, so space is not a problem, and the extra >weight is worth preventing burned lips when I'm out. ` J.D. >In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >cheyenne@pcu.net writes: >How do you mark tin? > >Wynn, Another method I forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with trade >wool or leather..... Barney I have a big tin cup with a leather wrapped handle not for identification so much as insulation when cooking in the cup. I tied a couple of unusual beads to the handle for ID. Lanney --=====================_2563558==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Tin cups are notorious for burning the lips off your face when attempting to drink hot liquids, so get rid of the tin and get each person thier own distictively colored stonewear mug. I have one without a handle that fits perfectly inside of my boiler, so space is not a problem, and the extra weight is worth preventing burned lips when I'm out.
`       J.D.

In a message dated 12/24/2003 5:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:

How do you mark tin?

Wynn, Another method I forgot to mention is wrapping the handle with trade wool or leather.....   Barney

I have a big tin cup with a leather wrapped handle not for identification so much as insulation when cooking in the cup. I tied a couple of unusual beads to the handle for ID.
Lanney

--=====================_2563558==.ALT-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart Family" Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 25 Dec 2003 22:29:59 -0700 Greetings, A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started our own collection of stories that really enjoy. Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a difference as well. Where should we start? ED ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart Family" Subject: MtMan-List: CVA Pistol Assembly Date: 25 Dec 2003 22:30:01 -0700 My son just got a CVA pistol for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone had any good tips on the assembly process that won't show up in the instructions. ED ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: marking tin Date: 25 Dec 2003 23:10:05 -0700 Dog With a name like that I bet you don't refuse a cup to often. ;-) However, when you have three boys as well as yourself to keep track of stuff it is nice to know which cup is missing. You know that "Your responcible for your own stuff" type thing. On top of that when you think you have got your lid and then find out you have got someone elses you now have no idea where you even lost yours. Been there done that. Wynn ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:05 AM > A man what can't tell his own cup ain't spent enough > time on the trail! Besides which, if yer thirsty > enough, what difference does it make? A man offers a > cup, it's rude to refuse! Best of the season to all, > and may your camps be warm and the coffee hot. Cheers, Dog > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 25 Dec 2003 23:37:57 -0700 Dear Ed You came to a good place to ask and I bet we will warm up some keyboards answering your request. First of all it doesn't hurt to go where you interests lie, so don't put off the fun stuff to long. Second, a good mountaineer told me early on that there are few things in this game that can not be made yourself if money is a problem. Indeed there is a money/time and skill trade off. So here is my advise for what its worth. Decide what you want to start with. Like maybe an outfit, then refine and say I need pants. Then start asking around and studying everything you can get your hands on and start making some choices as to what you want to end up like. Maybe breach clout and leggings will be your thing or maybe you will make drop front trousers out of brain tanned leather you tanned yourself or maybe a pair of purchased cloth trousers also well researched and documented. If you go to a fair sized rendezvous you will see some sad looking feller headed West with holes in his stuff, a filthy hat, dirty leggings over wore out mocs. And walking the other direction you will see a feller that really takes pride in his outfit he has a fine animal skin headress, neat bright leathers and fancy factory mocs. This can be really fun and your excitement can make you equal to some old veterns although that may be hard for you to see. You will have to decide which way you want to go. But keep in mind, most of what you will get here will come from the feller headed West. You would be wise to heed his advise. Wynn Ormond ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 10:29 PM > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 25 Dec 2003 23:56:12 -0700 (MST) > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come > to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even > started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much > to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 26 Dec 2003 00:12:36 -0700 (MST) Ed and All, Sorry for that false reply. Ed, didn't you say once you lived in Montana? If that is correct, there are some fun rendezvous on both sides of the hill that you should go to that will have everything you need or at least give you ideas. Good luck, bb > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come > to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even > started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much > to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 26 Dec 2003 08:23:40 -0700 Ed, You picked a great time to get started. There are so many things to choose from then when I started. What period of time are you interested in? You can get a nice pair of drop front pants and a drop sleved shirt from Jas Townsend and Son. A tent from Track of the Wolf. or Tent Smith. A hat from clear Water hat co. Get a blanket to make a Capote from the Army Navy store or the Blanket Brigade. Get a pair of Fugawne Brogans as well as sox from them. and your off. Make sure your wife come a long There are also paterns fabric suppliers Look at the links page for the AMM web site. There are so many ways and other ideas and I am sure others will give you moors choices. Ole On Thursday, December 25, 2003, at 10:29 PM, Stuart Family wrote: > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has > come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with > his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even > started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so > much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money > doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes > a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 26 Dec 2003 09:10:49 -0800 Ed, I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic you might be interested in concerning this hobby. I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit of info you could come up with right off. Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thom Frazier" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: CVA Pistol Assembly Date: 26 Dec 2003 14:22:07 -0600 Ed, The instructions should do well. Don't try to remove the breech plug. If you have any problems e-mail me, I'd be glad to help. Weeping Heart Gunn Shoppe Thom Frazier 36732 Oak Point Rd. New York Mills MN 56567 218-385-2074 mnthom@arvig.net -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Family Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:30 PM My son just got a CVA pistol for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone had any good tips on the assembly process that won't show up in the instructions. ED ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 26 Dec 2003 16:07:25 -0600 Ed, You didn't say whether you have been to any rendezvous in your area. Have your friend point you towards a good 'primitive' one and then take a camera with you and not a lot $$$. Most folks that camp for the duration in the primitive area of any good rendezvous will talk yer ear off if given half a chance. Take the time to figure out what you want to wander into the wilderness AS and that will help you decide on your overall outfit. Don't jump in until you test the water. Just my two cents. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:29 PM > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 26 Dec 2003 17:01:51 -0700 --------------020703020505050700030808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And know that not only can you make "way out off period correct," there is also a lot of it at rondezvous. Although this isn't merchandise, I will tell you I have seen an Army of Northern Virginia Battle Flag flying from a teepee in a pre-1840 event...reminds me of the time someone tried to sell me a "pre Civil War" GAR button. GAR being the Grand Army of the Republic, a fraternal organization for Union veterans of the Civil War. In short, watch what you buy! Sparks John McKee wrote: >Ed, > You didn't say whether you have been to any rendezvous in your area. >Have your friend point you towards a good 'primitive' one and then take a >camera with you and not a lot $$$. Most folks that camp for the duration in >the primitive area of any good rendezvous will talk yer ear off if given >half a chance. Take the time to figure out what you want to wander into the >wilderness AS and that will help you decide on your overall outfit. > Don't jump in until you test the water. Just my two cents. John > > > > >The Stitchin' Scotsman >100% Handsewn Elkhide garments >and moccasins >Manu Forti >www.stitchinscotsman.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stuart Family" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:29 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > >>Greetings, >> >>A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the >>mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come >> >> >to > > >>be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his >>reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even >> >> >started > > >>our own collection of stories that really enjoy. >> >>Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much >> >> >to > > >>do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't >>grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun >>items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a >>difference as well. >> >>Where should we start? >> >>ED >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > --------------020703020505050700030808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And know that not only can you make "way out off period correct," there is also a lot of it at rondezvous. Although this isn't merchandise, I will tell you I have seen an Army of Northern Virginia Battle Flag flying from a teepee in a pre-1840 event...reminds me of the time someone tried to sell me a "pre Civil War" GAR button. GAR being the Grand Army of the Republic, a fraternal organization for Union veterans of the Civil War. In short, watch what you buy!
Sparks

John McKee wrote:

Ed, You didn't say whether you have been to any rendezvous in your area. Have your friend point you towards a good 'primitive' one and then take a camera with you and not a lot $$$. Most folks that camp for the duration in the primitive area of any good rendezvous will talk yer ear off if given half a chance. Take the time to figure out what you want to wander into the wilderness AS and that will help you decide on your overall outfit. Don't jump in until you test the water. Just my two cents. John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:29 PM

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do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a difference as well. Where should we start? ED ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

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--------------020703020505050700030808-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "De Santis, Nick" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Gresham M/L Show... Date: 26 Dec 2003 17:30:36 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3CC19.0776697C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, =20 I picked up a flyer that says January 17 & 18, 2004. The contact name is Gerry and Trudy Lane (503) 661-2159. =20 Travler =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of SWcushing@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:43 PM =20 Howdy Boys, Anyone know the dates for the Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in January sometime.... Thanks, Magpie ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3CC19.0776697C Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Howdy,

I picked up a flyer that says = January 17 & 18, 2004. The contact name is Gerry and Trudy Lane (503) = 661-2159.

Travler

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Howdy Boys,
Anyone know the dates for the Gresham, OR, M/L show? Usualy held in = January sometime....

Thanks,
Magpie

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3CC19.0776697C-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RICK TABOR" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 26 Dec 2003 21:22:25 -0800 Ed, Another good source is the Goodwill. A wool blanket is a wool blanket. They generally sell fabric for $1 a yard. I have even picked up Dyer moccasins there. Talk to the manager, tell them you will give a bounty for any striped wool blanket. I have picked up 3 Hudson Bay and numerous no name that way.I give the manager$5 and have never paid over $20 for a blanket. You can pick up tin plates, cups and even period silverware. Stay away from the enamel ware. It screams pilgrim. If you are looking for guns run an ad in the money saver or nickel ads. You'll be amazed how many guns were bought during the bi-centennial and gathering dust.Buy them cheap. You can always trade. Good luck, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Date: 27 Dec 2003 21:22:18 -0700 (MST) Dear List, Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? Thanks for any help in advance, bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 27 Dec 2003 22:57:19 -0600 The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. 1 Take your time. 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some item, or another, that you WON'T need. 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, other than basic clothing and camp equipment. 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you will probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or doesn't care. 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, camp gear, guns etc. Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can you tell? ;-) http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html http://www.nativetech.org/ http://www.liming.org/alra/ This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history surrounding your chosen time period. By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade that item off to acquire a more proper one. J.D. >I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good >advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the >publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes >now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with >the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in >their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple >bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic >you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > >I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has >added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine >sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the >matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well >researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was >like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit >of info you could come up with right off. > >Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell >such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some >reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your >gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying >what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come >out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already >have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are >loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 27 Dec 2003 23:48:20 -0500 Damned fine advice John.... Wish I would have had all those many Winters ago... D Double Edge Forge www.bright.net/~deforge1 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:57 PM > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > 1 Take your time. > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you will > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > doesn't care. > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > camp gear, guns etc. > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can you > tell? ;-) > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > surrounding your chosen time period. > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > J.D. > > > >I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good > >advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the > >publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes > >now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with > >the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in > >their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple > >bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic > >you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > > > >I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has > >added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine > >sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the > >matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well > >researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was > >like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit > >of info you could come up with right off. > > > >Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell > >such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some > >reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your > >gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying > >what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come > >out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already > >have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are > >loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. > > > >YMOS > >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 27 Dec 2003 23:01:56 -0600 --=====================_18542526==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Two more web pages of the western mountain man persuasion. ;-) http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm >Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can >you tell? ;-) > >http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > >http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > >http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > >http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > >http://www.nativetech.org/ > >http://www.liming.org/alra/ > >This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis >on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has >to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the >enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history >surrounding your chosen time period. > >By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few >others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without >spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first >purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade >that item off to acquire a more proper one. > >J.D. > > >>I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good >>advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the >>publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes >>now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with >>the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in >>their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple >>bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic >>you might be interested in concerning this hobby. >> >>I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has >>added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine >>sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the >>matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well >>researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was >>like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit >>of info you could come up with right off. >> >>Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell >>such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some >>reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your >>gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying >>what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come >>out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already >>have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are >>loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow. >> >>YMOS >>Capt. Lahti' >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html --=====================_18542526==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Two more web pages of the western mountain man persuasion. ;-)

http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm

http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/index.htm

Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can you tell? ;-)

http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html

http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext

http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html

http://www.nativetech.org/

http://www.liming.org/alra/

This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history surrounding your chosen time period.

By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade that item off to acquire a more proper one.

J.D.

I see that several others have posted on your question and given some good
advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by the
publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes
now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades with
the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in
their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a couple
bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any topic
you might be interested in concerning this hobby.

I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who has
added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of magazine
sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the
matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well
researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was
like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest bit
of info you could come up with right off.

Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will sell
such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some
reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of your
gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying
what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come
out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already
have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are
loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going slow.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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--=====================_18542526==.ALT-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 27 Dec 2003 23:12:00 -0700 (MST) J.D. Yes, that is great advice if you want to be in an outfit in a couple of years and you were not a boy. His boy won't care about the era by time he does all that research. Go to a rendezvous, get a cheap outfit, have fun and get more serious from there if you want to. Strike while the iron is hot. The boy has the rest of his life to argue over what is authentic and what is not with everyone. I used to get real serious with beginners on primitive trekking and trapping now I just want them to have fun. They will get more into it if they enjoy it first. The boy needs to have fun and he is on a budget. just my opinion, bb > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > 1 Take your time. > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you > will > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > doesn't care. > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > camp gear, guns etc. > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can > you > tell? ;-) > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > surrounding your chosen time period. > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > J.D. > > >>I see that several others have posted on your question and given some >> good >>advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by >> the >>publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes >>now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades >> with >>the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in >>their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a >> couple >>bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any >> topic >>you might be interested in concerning this hobby. >> >>I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who >> has >>added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of >> magazine >>sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the >>matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well >>researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was >>like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest >> bit >>of info you could come up with right off. >> >>Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will >> sell >>such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some >>reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of >> your >>gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying >>what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come >>out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already >>have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are >>loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going >> slow. >> >>YMOS >>Capt. Lahti' >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ikon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 09:44:10 -0500 ED, Alot of great informative advice here. As we use to say in the USMC, there's a lot of salt here. I picked up a nice small lean to canvas from home depot for 15 bucks, that works great. I have also made coats out of them as they are heavy duc. Yardsales - I have found great blankets, one was a 3.5 pt Whitney for 5 bucks. Ugliest thing my wife said she ever saw. Washed it, dryed it and showed her a pic of the cost of new ones. Good find. Also came upon old tin cups and very old style silver ware. Wal-mart carries wool for leggins and wool shirts along with a variety of muslins for light weight shirts. Go over to historicaltrekking.com and if you need something, post what you need. I got a great buy on a GPR a few years ago, 50 bucks. Ahh, had to refinish it but it was worth every penny. If you are like me and ya just don't like spending casholla, offer trades. Alot of us here have trunks of stuff that we do not use anymore that may be had for a trade or a gift. Matter of fact, if'n you want to make yourself a powder horn (real easy) let me know and I'll send you an old green horn. I prefer to make everything or trade for it. Trades offer equipment with history and stories. I can tell ya all day about some knives, hawks, and other goodies that came with stories. These are kept treasures that I will never part with from gents with mucho granda salt. Like most here, if I can be of any help. Just Yell. Frank V. Rago ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 12:29 AM > Greetings, > > A good friend of mine has introduced my son and I to the world of the > mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy Date: 28 Dec 2003 11:04:23 -0700 (MST) If I said I was writing a book would it help on this subject? Someone must have seen this story somewhere like I did. I need to read it again for an article I'm writing. I'll send whoever gets me the info first a check for $2 (two dollars)!! Thanks again, bb > Dear List, > Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that > smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? > The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers > alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? > Thanks for any help in advance, > bb > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 10:40:21 -0800 bb, Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on "advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them a life long participant. Not, at least, unless they ask for it. Capt. Lahti' llist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 13:24:36 -0700 (MST) Capt., Your right, JD's post is great, I saved it for my own use. New comers can't be overwhelmed with things like thread counts, brain tanned etc... especially young kids. They want to have fun with guns, leggings, throwing axes and sleeping with just a few blankets under the stars! Now that is living for a boy!!! That's adventure! I remember going to my Grandmothers farm as a child in the Missouri woods. We would hike to the back field at night and see the darkest, biggest sky I ever saw! And stars like I never saw in my life!! I was hooked on the great outdoors! His boy will outgrow any outfit he makes him before he is done with it anyway! It's fun just exploring a rendezvous too! I love seeing them kids running pell mell through camp tripping on tent ropes and shooting them stupid pop guns. They are the future of this great era. Go out, have fun and worry about types of buttons, small details, etc... latter. And anyone of us "old timers" that meet a young boy or girl at a rendezvous that shows real promise, give them something that they won't out-grow like a haversack, throwing axe, candle lantern or something like that. bb > bb, > > Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on > "advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm > guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing > too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them > a > life long participant. > > Not, at least, unless they ask for it. > > Capt. Lahti' > > llist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Date: 28 Dec 2003 20:32:14 +0000 George Ruxton tells about a time like that in one of his books. He was caught out east of what is now Mantiou Springs, CO. He covers himself up with a blanket and ends up smoking his wooden pipe to nothing during the night. If I remember right, he is covered up with the snow and doesn't see light untill he knocks through with his fist. > Dear List, > Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that > smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? > The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers > alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? > Thanks for any help in advance, > bb > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy Date: 28 Dec 2003 15:49:07 EST --part1_196.242de451.2d209bc3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/03 10:04:51 AM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: > I'll send whoever gets me the info first a check for $2 (two dollars)!! > Beaver..... you send me the $2, and I'll make up a story! Magpie --part1_196.242de451.2d209bc3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Magpie --part1_196.242de451.2d209bc3_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Date: 28 Dec 2003 14:19:38 -0700 bb does this help? AJ Miller pg 27 The west of Alfred Jacob Miller Under privation of all kinds, the universal resort of the Trapper was the pipe of tabacco; this is suspended in a gage d'amour from his neck;- he carries also tinder and flint, with which to strike a lightin a moment;- with this solaces every affliction and gives him stamina (one would suppose) to combat any trouble;- it is his universal "medicine." Keep the 2$ but be more patient with these old rusty minds. It takes a while to remember here we read such and such. Wynn ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:22 PM > Dear List, > Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that > smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? > The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers > alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? > Thanks for any help in advance, > bb > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 14:36:05 -0700 bb I wont agrue the point of having fun, but I spent $75.00 for a coat that I never wear because I found out how bad it was after I bought it. We all have a sense of pride and don't want to look too foolish. If you can do it more nearly right for the same money do it. If you can get a kid to spend a couple hours reading a journal or other historical book even better. I know one feller who was certainly learned how to write and maybe even read thanks to this damned internet group. There is a lot of fun to had in the crafting and study too. Still you should see the pride in my 7 year olds eyes when folk watch him light a flint and steel fire, or ride a somewhat larger than period correct horse. We will see you on trail some day Wynn ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 1:24 PM > Capt., > Your right, JD's post is great, I saved it for my own use. > New comers can't be overwhelmed with things like thread counts, brain > tanned etc... especially young kids. They want to have fun with guns, > leggings, throwing axes and sleeping with just a few blankets under the > stars! Now that is living for a boy!!! That's adventure! > I remember going to my Grandmothers farm as a child in the Missouri > woods. We would hike to the back field at night and see the darkest, > biggest sky I ever saw! And stars like I never saw in my life!! I was > hooked on the great outdoors! > His boy will outgrow any outfit he makes him before he is done with it > anyway! It's fun just exploring a rendezvous too! I love seeing them > kids running pell mell through camp tripping on tent ropes and shooting > them stupid pop guns. They are the future of this great era. > Go out, have fun and worry about types of buttons, small details, etc... > latter. > And anyone of us "old timers" that meet a young boy or girl at a > rendezvous that shows real promise, give them something that they won't > out-grow like a haversack, throwing axe, candle lantern or something > like that. > bb > > > bb, > > > > Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on > > "advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm > > guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing > > too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them > > a > > life long participant. > > > > Not, at least, unless they ask for it. > > > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > llist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reward forTobaccy Date: 28 Dec 2003 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) No deal. I can make up my own BS. Thanks anyway. bb > > In a message dated 12/28/03 10:04:51 AM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: > > >> I'll send whoever gets me the info first a check for $2 (two dollars)!! >> > > Beaver..... you send me the $2, and I'll make up a story! > > Magpie > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 17:28:44 -0600 Well bb and list, The point I tried to make, maybe not as well as I would have liked, was for him to decide what time period and area he wanted to recreate BEFORE he spent allot of money on clothing and equipment that he might later find that can't use. It doesn't take years to do some basic research and acquire some knowledge of history before jumping into the sport. Yes, the details can wait for a while, but how many of us have spent allot of time, effort, and money on incorrect clothing and equipment before we decided to recreate a specific time period, only to re outfit ourselves once we settled on a time period and geographic area? The area where one lives might affect what time period and persona they want to recreate. Someone living east of the Mississippi might want to do eastern longhunter, militiaman, scout, or ranger of the F&I period, while someone living in the west might want to do western mountain man. And yes, yard sales, flea markets and Salvation Army stores can be a good source of camp items and raw materials for clothing and equipment. Nothing wrong with that. Most rendezvous in MO/Ill allow new folks to compete while wearing street clothes. Nothing wrong with that either. There are also modern camping areas, at most events, to allow newcomers to participate in local events as they put their clothing and gear together. My advice stands, though slightly modified. 1 Decide what time period and area you want to recreate. 2 Do some basic research. 3 Get your hands on some GOOD books. 4 Get some GOOD patterns. 5 Learn to sew. 6 Ask questions of knowledgeable people. Just because someone looks good at rondy doesn't mean they know anything about correct clothing and equipment for any given time period. Ask for sources. 7 Beware of friendly traders trying to sell you something you may not want. 8 Avoid the gottahaves, also known as impulse buying 9 Go have fun. J.D. > Yes, that is great advice if you want to be in an outfit in a couple of >years and you were not a boy. > His boy won't care about the era by time he does all that research. > Go to a rendezvous, get a cheap outfit, have fun and get more serious >from there if you want to. > Strike while the iron is hot. The boy has the rest of his life to argue >over what is authentic and what is not with everyone. > I used to get real serious with beginners on primitive trekking and >trapping now I just want them to have fun. They will get more into it >if they enjoy it first. The boy needs to have fun and he is on a >budget. > just my opinion, > bb > > > > > > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > > > 1 Take your time. > > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you > > will > > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > > doesn't care. > > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > > camp gear, guns etc. > > > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can > > you > > tell? ;-) > > > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > > surrounding your chosen time period. > > > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > > > J.D. > > > > > >>I see that several others have posted on your question and given some > >> good > >>advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by > >> the > >>publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes > >>now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades > >> with > >>the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in > >>their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a > >> couple > >>bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any > >> topic > >>you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > >> > >>I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who > >> has > >>added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of > >> magazine > >>sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the > >>matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well > >>researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was > >>like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest > >> bit > >>of info you could come up with right off. > >> > >>Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will > >> sell > >>such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some > >>reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of > >> your > >>gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying > >>what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come > >>out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already > >>have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are > >>loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going > >> slow. > >> > >>YMOS > >>Capt. Lahti' > >> > >> > >>---------------------- > >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 17:33:24 -0600 Thanks Dennis. Everything I posted came through experience. I wish that someone had imparted some of that wisdom on me when I started too. ;-) J.D. >Damned fine advice John.... Wish I would have had all those many Winters >ago... >D > >Double Edge Forge >www.bright.net/~deforge1 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Dearing" >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:57 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > > > 1 Take your time. > > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you >will > > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > > doesn't care. > > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > > camp gear, guns etc. > > > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can >you > > tell? ;-) > > > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > > surrounding your chosen time period. > > > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > > > J.D. > > > > > > >I see that several others have posted on your question and given some >good > > >advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by >the > > >publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes > > >now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades >with > > >the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in > > >their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a >couple > > >bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any >topic > > >you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > > > > > >I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who >has > > >added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of >magazine > > >sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the > > >matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well > > >researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was > > >like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest >bit > > >of info you could come up with right off. > > > > > >Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will >sell > > >such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some > > >reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of >your > > >gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying > > >what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come > > >out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already > > >have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are > > >loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going >slow. > > > > > >YMOS > > >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > > >---------------------- > > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim-Ken Carpenter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 15:53:46 -0800 A good book I haven't seen referenced for beginners to research is Firearms, Traps and Tools of the Mountain Men, by Carl P. Russell. Lots of good pics, drawings and written info. Carp > [Original Message] > From: John Dearing > To: > Date: 12/28/2003 3:16:23 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > Well bb and list, > The point I tried to make, maybe not as well as I would have liked, was for > him to decide what time period and area he wanted to recreate BEFORE he > spent allot of money on clothing and equipment that he might later find > that can't use. It doesn't take years to do some basic research and acquire > some knowledge of history before jumping into the sport. Yes, the details > can wait for a while, but how many of us have spent allot of time, effort, > and money on incorrect clothing and equipment before we decided to recreate > a specific time period, only to re outfit ourselves once we settled on a > time period and geographic area? > > The area where one lives might affect what time period and persona they > want to recreate. > Someone living east of the Mississippi might want to do eastern longhunter, > militiaman, scout, or ranger of the F&I period, while someone living in > the west might want to do western mountain man. > > And yes, yard sales, flea markets and Salvation Army stores can be a good > source of camp items and raw materials for clothing and equipment. Nothing > wrong with that. > > Most rendezvous in MO/Ill allow new folks to compete while wearing street > clothes. Nothing wrong with that either. There are also modern camping > areas, at most events, to allow newcomers to participate in local events as > they put their clothing and gear together. > > My advice stands, though slightly modified. > 1 Decide what time period and area you want to recreate. > 2 Do some basic research. > 3 Get your hands on some GOOD books. > 4 Get some GOOD patterns. > 5 Learn to sew. > 6 Ask questions of knowledgeable people. Just because someone looks good at > rondy doesn't mean they know anything about correct clothing and equipment > for any given time period. Ask for sources. > 7 Beware of friendly traders trying to sell you something you may not want. > 8 Avoid the gottahaves, also known as impulse buying > 9 Go have fun. > > J.D. > > > > > Yes, that is great advice if you want to be in an outfit in a couple of > >years and you were not a boy. > > His boy won't care about the era by time he does all that research. > > Go to a rendezvous, get a cheap outfit, have fun and get more serious > >from there if you want to. > > Strike while the iron is hot. The boy has the rest of his life to argue > >over what is authentic and what is not with everyone. > > I used to get real serious with beginners on primitive trekking and > >trapping now I just want them to have fun. They will get more into it > >if they enjoy it first. The boy needs to have fun and he is on a > >budget. > > just my opinion, > > bb > > > > > > > > > > > The good Captain gives good advice, but there is more. > > > > > > 1 Take your time. > > > 2 Decide what time period and geographic area you want to portray. > > > 3 Read everything you can get your hands on about that time period. > > > 4 Ask more questions of KNOWLEDGEABLE people. > > > 5 DO NOT take peoples advice at rendezvous for what you need. Most don't > > > know beans about history, but are more than willing to sell you some > > > item, or another, that you WON'T need. > > > 6 Don't believe what anyone tells you about "common knowledge history". > > > 99.99% of it is wrong. Ask for a source of that item or information, and > > > then RESEARCH that item before you buy. Researching an item before you buy > > > will save money in the long run. Especially big ticket items. > > > 7 Avoid the gottahaves. For the most part, you don't gottahave nothing, > > > other than basic clothing and camp equipment. > > > 8 learn to sew, both leather and cloth. > > > 9 buy GOOD patterns for complicated items, pants, knee britches, etc. > > > Simple things like shirts or hunting pouches don't require > > > patterns...usually. Depending on your knowledge of sewing. > > > 10 Beg, borrow, or buy GOOD books on making clothing and equipment. Making > > > your own gear is allot less expensive than buying those items, and you > > > will > > > probably come to appreciate good hand made items. Not to mention time and > > > fabric saved by using GOOD patterns and instructions. > > > 11 DO NOT mix clothing from different time periods. It looks hokey, and > > > identifies the wearer as someone who either doesn't know their history, or > > > doesn't care. > > > 12 search the Internet for instructions for making clothing, moccasins, > > > camp gear, guns etc. > > > > > > Here are a few sites to get you started. I like the colonial period,can > > > you > > > tell? ;-) > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/liv18thc/index.html > > > > > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?c=pitttext > > > > > > http://www.aspecialplace.net/MariesCookbook/18th_century_recipes.htm > > > > > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award99/icuhtml/fawhome.html > > > > > > http://www.nativetech.org/ > > > > > > http://www.liming.org/alra/ > > > > > > This last page has an outstanding reading list, but don't let my emphasis > > > on research deter you from getting involved in the sport. Not everyone has > > > to become an amateur historian to participate, but it does increase the > > > enjoyment of the rendezvous/re-enactment experience to know the history > > > surrounding your chosen time period. > > > > > > By adhering to the advice given by the good Captain, myself, and a few > > > others on this list, you will gather good items that you will need without > > > spending lots of hard earned cash. And get what you need on the first > > > purchase as opposed to buying something you don't need and having to trade > > > that item off to acquire a more proper one. > > > > > > J.D. > > > > > > > > >>I see that several others have posted on your question and given some > > >> good > > >>advice. I like to recommend "The Book Of Buckskinning" series put out by > > >> the > > >>publishers of Muzzle Loader magazine. I think it is up to about 8 volumes > > >>now. A new volume came out every few years over the past couple decades > > >> with > > >>the idea to answer questions such as yours. While they are not cheap in > > >>their total, going for somewhere around $16 per volume give or take a > > >> couple > > >>bucks, they are just jam packed with good useful info on virtually any > > >> topic > > >>you might be interested in concerning this hobby. > > >> > > >>I would also direct your attention to the work of Rex Allen Norman who > > >> has > > >>added to the Mt. Man Sketch Book series (a less expensive series of > > >> magazine > > >>sized books that deal with virtually every type of Persona from the > > >>matchlock era to the Mt. Man era). Rex has come up with a fairly well > > >>researched "sketch book" on specifically the Mt. Man, what his gear was > > >>like, what he wore, what he shot, on and on. It's probably the cheapest > > >> bit > > >>of info you could come up with right off. > > >> > > >>Most of the suttlers that you would find at Rendezvous or on line will > > >> sell > > >>such books and more. I'll add that one in your position might do some > > >>reading before doing any buying or making. Though you can make most of > > >> your > > >>gear, you can also make gear that is not correct to the period by copying > > >>what you see at most rendezvous/shoots. A lot of new information has come > > >>out in recent years on what it really was like way back but many already > > >>have spent much time, effort and not a little money on their gear and are > > >>loath to throw it out and make new. You won't hurt yourself by going > > >> slow. > > >> > > >>YMOS > > >>Capt. Lahti' > > >> > > >> > > >>---------------------- > > >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 18:35:52 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3CD71.6BF89E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable << mountain men this past summer and we really enjoyed. In fact is has = come to > be something special between my son and I along with helping him with = his > reading problem as we read everything we can get our hands on...even started > our own collection of stories that really enjoy. > > Anyway, he and I want to get starting in gear & clothing but with so = much to > do and so many things to get, I don't know where to start. Money = doesn't > grow on tress in our camp. I have wanted to start with some of the = fun > items (rifles, hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes = a > difference as well. > > Where should we start? > > ED>>> Ed You have already received a lot of good advice from some really = knowledgeable folks. I'll throw in my slant on things. First, the advice about getting a couple good books, very good. The = MM series is excellent, start with #1. Second, I know this list is devoted to the Mountain Man of the Rocky = Mountain Fur Trade era (RMFT), but do keep in mind that there are many = aspects to early American history. Pick the persona that most interests = you. At the same time, where you live can be an important influence. = i.e. Showing up at a rendezvous in Wyoming wearing the fine linens and = silks of an eastern gentleman just wouldn't work. Third,contrary to what others have said, listen to everyone. But do = it with both an open and skeptical mind. Use common sense and then lean = on those you learn to trust as being truly knowledgeable in their given = persona. Fourth, try to attend rendezvous that have 'open' days for tourists. = This is usually on weekends. You can then enter a rendezvous in modern = clothes without a problem. Spend as much time as possible talking to = participants. Visit traders but be slow to purchase items you are not = sure about. The advice about buying patterns and making you own is = excellent. While some reenactors are stringent about types of leather = and cloth, personally, I believe anything that will pass the 'arms = length' test is usually acceptable. One of my favorite coats is made of = a cotton/poly blend. My wife made it for me and I believed it was all = natural fabric for almost ten years until she told me. When I took my = daughter to a ronny when she was only seven I made her a capote from an = all synthetic blanket material. It looked good, passed the arms length = test and even felt like wool. It was cheap and she rapidly outgrew it. = But it served its purpose. Good luck and let us know how things work out. Frank ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3CD71.6BF89E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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> mountain men this past summer and we really = enjoyed. In=20 fact is has come
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> be something special between my son and I = along=20 with helping him with his
> reading problem as we read everything = we can=20 get our hands on...even
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> our own collection of stories = that=20 really enjoy.
>
> Anyway, he and I want to get starting in = gear=20 & clothing but with so much
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> do and so many things to = get, I=20 don't know where to start. Money doesn't
> grow on tress in = our=20 camp. I have wanted to start with some of the fun
> items = (rifles,=20 hawks, knives, etc.) but I know that the clothing makes a
> = difference as=20 well.
>
> Where should we start?
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>=20 ED>>>

        Ed

    You have already received a lot of good advice = from some=20 really knowledgeable folks.

    I'll throw in my slant on things.

    First, the advice about getting a couple good = books,=20 very good. The MM series is excellent, start with #1.

    Second, I know this list is devoted to the = Mountain Man=20 of the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade era (RMFT), but do keep in mind that = there are=20 many aspects to early American history. Pick the persona that most = interests=20 you. At the same time, where you live can be an important influence. = i.e.=20 Showing up at a rendezvous in Wyoming wearing the fine linens and silks = of an=20 eastern gentleman just wouldn't work.

    Third,contrary to what others have said, listen = to=20 everyone. But do it with both an open and skeptical mind. Use common = sense and=20 then lean on those you learn to trust as being truly knowledgeable = in their=20 given persona.

    Fourth, try to attend rendezvous that have = 'open' days=20 for tourists. This is usually on weekends. You can then enter a = rendezvous in=20 modern clothes without a problem. Spend as much time as possible talking = to=20 participants. Visit traders but be slow to purchase items you are not = sure=20 about. The advice about buying patterns and making you own is excellent. = While=20 some reenactors are stringent about types of leather and cloth, = personally, I=20 believe anything that will pass the 'arms length' test is usually = acceptable.=20 One of my favorite coats is made of a cotton/poly blend. My wife made it = for me=20 and I believed it was all natural fabric for almost ten years until she = told me.=20 When I took my daughter to a ronny when she was only seven I made her a = capote=20 from an all synthetic blanket material. It looked good, passed the arms = length=20 test and even felt like wool. It was cheap and she rapidly outgrew it. = But it=20 served its purpose.

    Good luck and let us know how things work = out.

Frank
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3CD71.6BF89E80-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 20:10:17 -0500 >The point I tried to make, maybe not as well as I would have liked, was for > him to decide what time period and area he wanted to recreate BEFORE he > spent allot of money Most definately make up your mind before you start buying lots of "stuff"!! At the Alafia I will have mucho goodies out on my trade blanket from just such a goof, many years ago. I figure if it ain't been out of the trailer in three years, then I didn't need it in the first place!! For a good "Beginners" guide, go to my web site, www.geocities.com/ronnyvous and read the part about START here... Gives a pretty good guide of what to do and not to do when you first start out. As I say in the text, I have made ALL of the mistakes... that's why I am have the Mountain Man version of a good old fashioned garage sale... make that "Lean-To Sale"... *grins* >And yes, yard sales, flea markets and Salvation Army stores can be agood I have found Whitney and HBC blankets... NEW in the GW stores, plus some GREAT buys on pewter.... Wife decided I needed to be more of a gentleman and we should have a "gentle-persons" camp... *grins* ... Ah well, ya gotta keep 'em happy... I still wear my skins more than not, but now and then she dresses me up for various reasons... Point is, if you have good GW stores in the area, you can really get some good buys there. Have even found Green River knives, and carving set at one... They are mine now. Regards, Ad Miller ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 17:43:24 -0800 bb, Your though on giving some promising youngster something they won't out grow is right on the money too. I'm not ready for a dirt bath just yet but I got lots of "things" that probably need giving away over the next few years of Rendezvous. I think I'll keep my eyes peeled for those "upstarts" that don't look like they'll be " a flash in the pan" and potlatch something nice on the closest one from time to time. Let's see now. I got me way too many double barrel percussion shot guns, probably three flint lock rifles too many, a couple smoothbore flint locks that ain't gonna get much more use, a couple nice flint smooth pistols that could go to a good home, more powder horns than I can carry, quill work that should be hanging around some pretty young ladies neck or holding up some young bucks legg'ens. I know someone will get use out of my linen haversack and knap sack and the copper pots and copper flasks will be well used by the right newbie. I can only use one favorite knife at a time so no sense in me hanging on to all of them. And that brain tan long coat and leggings need to go to just the right person. Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me fetching my wood and water and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get in the give'in mood. Be see'in you youngsters come green up I imagine. Winter well and may visions of full stocks dance in your heads. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 18:59:14 -0700 --------------000409060007050208090004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I like the way this conversation string is going. I just want to add how easy it can be to get hooked as a youngster, and how simple it is from a re-enactor standpoint. Granted, this is for a different time and period, but the principal is the same for all of it. I went to school in VA and happened to end up at a North-Sourth Scrimage Assn. meet. That's where people pick a unit and match their gear, frequently down to the model year of the gear (1862 bullseye canteen, for instance). I was talking with guys from a Maryland unit for a long time. Even though I didn't have a firearm, and wouldn;'t have one for the foreseeable future, one of them gave me one of their paper cartridges. Their version was just a cardboard tube with powder using a greased Minie' ball for a plug. I still have that minie, unless I shot it from either my 1861 model (contract) Springfield original, or my replica pattern 1853 Enfield rifle-musket. I have the gear to do that era, but it took years to sprout the planted seeds, and of course I had to have a little more money. Now I actively reenact the period of 1807 with the ALRA...post L&C St. Louis as a drygoods merchant, as my wife is a historical textile and clothing expert. This is fun. Maybe someone can pass this message to the Maryland N-S Scrimage Assn. and say thanks for me. With this age of electronic communication, maybe I'll surf them up and thank them myself! Mind you, that free Minie' ball was given to me about 1965 or 1966. Sparks beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: >Capt., > Your right, JD's post is great, I saved it for my own use. > New comers can't be overwhelmed with things like thread counts, brain >tanned etc... especially young kids. They want to have fun with guns, >leggings, throwing axes and sleeping with just a few blankets under the >stars! Now that is living for a boy!!! That's adventure! > I remember going to my Grandmothers farm as a child in the Missouri >woods. We would hike to the back field at night and see the darkest, >biggest sky I ever saw! And stars like I never saw in my life!! I was >hooked on the great outdoors! > His boy will outgrow any outfit he makes him before he is done with it >anyway! It's fun just exploring a rendezvous too! I love seeing them >kids running pell mell through camp tripping on tent ropes and shooting >them stupid pop guns. They are the future of this great era. > Go out, have fun and worry about types of buttons, small details, etc... >latter. > And anyone of us "old timers" that meet a young boy or girl at a >rendezvous that shows real promise, give them something that they won't >out-grow like a haversack, throwing axe, candle lantern or something >like that. > bb > > > >>bb, >> >>Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on >>"advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm >>guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing >>too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them >>a >>life long participant. >> >>Not, at least, unless they ask for it. >> >>Capt. Lahti' >> >>llist.html >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > --------------000409060007050208090004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all,
I like the way this conversation string is going. I just want to add how easy it can be to get hooked as a youngster, and how simple it is from a re-enactor standpoint. Granted, this is for a different time and period, but the principal is the same for all of it.

I went to school in VA and happened to end up at a North-Sourth Scrimage Assn. meet. That's where people pick a unit and match their gear, frequently down to the model year of the gear (1862 bullseye canteen, for instance). I was talking with guys from a Maryland unit for a long time. Even though I didn't have a firearm, and wouldn;'t have one for the foreseeable future, one of them gave me one of their paper cartridges. Their version was just a cardboard tube with powder using a greased Minie' ball for a plug. I still have that minie, unless I shot it from either my 1861 model (contract) Springfield
original, or my replica pattern 1853 Enfield rifle-musket. I have the gear to do that era, but it took years to sprout the planted seeds, and of course I had to have a little more money.

Now I actively reenact the period of 1807 with the ALRA...post L&C St. Louis as a drygoods merchant, as my wife is a historical textile and clothing expert.

This is fun. Maybe someone can pass this message to the Maryland N-S Scrimage Assn. and say thanks for me.
With this age of electronic communication, maybe I'll surf them up and thank them myself! Mind you, that free Minie' ball was given to me about 1965 or 1966.

Sparks

beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:

Capt., Your right, JD's post is great, I saved it for my own use. New comers can't be overwhelmed with things like thread counts, brain tanned etc... especially young kids. They want to have fun with guns, leggings, throwing axes and sleeping with just a few blankets under the stars! Now that is living for a boy!!! That's adventure! I remember going to my Grandmothers farm as a child in the Missouri woods. We would hike to the back field at night and see the darkest, biggest sky I ever saw! And stars like I never saw in my life!! I was hooked on the great outdoors! His boy will outgrow any outfit he makes him before he is done with it anyway! It's fun just exploring a rendezvous too! I love seeing them kids running pell mell through camp tripping on tent ropes and shooting them stupid pop guns. They are the future of this great era. Go out, have fun and worry about types of buttons, small details, etc... latter. And anyone of us "old timers" that meet a young boy or girl at a rendezvous that shows real promise, give them something that they won't out-grow like a haversack, throwing axe, candle lantern or something like that. bb

bb, Ya know it's hard to do some times but I'm thinking that your take on "advice" is more on the money than the way most of us go about it. I'm guilty too. I liked JD's list and advice, don't get me wrong. But throwing too much at a newcomer right off is probably not the best way to make them a life long participant. Not, at least, unless they ask for it. <G> Capt. Lahti' llist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

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--------------000409060007050208090004-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 18:03:59 -0800 John, et. al., Again, none of use who've been in this a while can fault your list unless it's to say it's too short. There is always something else we would have like to throw out and forgot. And your logic is not faulty either. What your listing/saying is our collective best advice to a newcomer. What the newcomers who read all this need to remember is that "THIS IS OUR BEST ADVICE". And your all free to take it or leave it. Following the advice is gonna save you money if you think your at all serious about "playing the game". But I for one recognize that there are many new people coming to a list like this who actually do not want to get as serious about all this as some of us have, they just want to blend in to the local rendezvous scene and not look out of place. While a list like John and many of us could put together may or may not keep you looking out of place it will start you towards looking historically correct or as close as any of us can guess is correct. And that may actually make you look out of place at most friendly local events. Cause many just don't care. That's perfectly all right too. It's a choice they make and nothing wrong with it until they want to join in with a group who are serious about how it's done. Then having to play by a different set of rules draws them up short. Kinda like my favorite advice to start out with a flint lock and a good quality one at that. Anyone who gets serious about this is going to migrate to that point eventually, may as well start out right. But that can be a bit pricy for a new person so it doesn't always happen. Do the best you can. Fit in where you want to play. Don't sweat it. Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:15:26 -0700 Capt You are a very wicked and plotting man. Wynn ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:43 PM > bb, > > Your though on giving some promising youngster something they won't out grow > is right on the money too. > > I'm not ready for a dirt bath just yet but I got lots of "things" that > probably need giving away over the next few years of Rendezvous. I think > I'll keep my eyes peeled for those "upstarts" that don't look like they'll > be " a flash in the pan" and potlatch something nice on the closest one from > time to time. > > Let's see now. I got me way too many double barrel percussion shot guns, > probably three flint lock rifles too many, a couple smoothbore flint locks > that ain't gonna get much more use, a couple nice flint smooth pistols that > could go to a good home, more powder horns than I can carry, quill work that > should be hanging around some pretty young ladies neck or holding up some > young bucks legg'ens. I know someone will get use out of my linen haversack > and knap sack and the copper pots and copper flasks will be well used by the > right newbie. I can only use one favorite knife at a time so no sense in me > hanging on to all of them. And that brain tan long coat and leggings need to > go to just the right person. > > Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me fetching my wood and water > and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get in the give'in mood. > > Be see'in you youngsters come green up I imagine. Winter well and may > visions of full stocks dance in your heads. > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 21:10:21 EST --part1_127.37c409be.2d20e70d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/03 5:45:59 PM, amm1719@charter.net writes: > Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me fetching my wood and water > and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get in the give'in mood. > aaaah.... I got plenty of wood and water at my camp Capt... and looks like yer gonna get the guest bed too!
In a message dated 12/28/03 5:45:59 PM, amm1719@charter.net writes:

Guess it will boil do= wn to who's closest to me fetching my wood and water
and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get in the give'in mood. <G&g= t;

aaaah.... I got plenty of wood and water at my camp Capt... and looks like y= er gonna get the guest bed too! <G.
Magpie --part1_127.37c409be.2d20e70d_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RICK TABOR" Subject: MtMan-List: subscribe Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:45:43 -0800 subscribehist_text blackshirt1388@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Date: 28 Dec 2003 21:08:53 -0700 --------------000608030107000104030009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice piece of history. But I wouldn't reccomend replicating the event. Granted, he could have any number of plants in his pipe. But one of the physiological affects of tobacco is shrinking the capillaries, which might be an invite for frostbite. Don't know if the elevated heart rate would make up for that, but I wouldn't want to try that experiment in the body I have to live with for the rest of my days. Sparks amm1616@comcast.net wrote: >George Ruxton tells about a time like that in one of >his books. He was caught out east of what is now Mantiou >Springs, CO. He covers himself up with a blanket and ends >up smoking his wooden pipe to nothing during the night. >If I remember right, he is covered up with the snow and >doesn't see light untill he knocks through with his fist. > > >>Dear List, >> Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that >>smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? >> The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers >>alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? >> Thanks for any help in advance, >> bb >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > --------------000608030107000104030009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice piece of history. But I wouldn't reccomend replicating the event. Granted, he could have any number of plants in his pipe. But one of the physiological affects of tobacco is shrinking the capillaries, which might be an invite for frostbite. Don't know if the elevated heart rate would make up for that, but I wouldn't want to try that experiment in the body I have to live with for the rest of my days.
Sparks

amm1616@comcast.net wrote:

George Ruxton tells about a time like that in one of his books. He was caught out east of what is now Mantiou Springs, CO. He covers himself up with a blanket and ends up smoking his wooden pipe to nothing during the night. If I remember right, he is covered up with the snow and doesn't see light untill he knocks through with his fist.

Dear List, Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? Thanks for any help in advance, bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

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--------------000608030107000104030009-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Date: 29 Dec 2003 05:23:16 +0000 James, I would agree. But there is alot of real history that is like that. Some actual events that are recorded are: placing lead balls in your mouth to help shoot faster, tying a ramrod around your neck when running buffalo on horseback or just wading in icy streams every day- so there is alot that we wouldn't do today. We have learned alot since then, but still do dangerous stuff. For example: drink pop (like coke which my Dad used to unstick frozen engine blocks with), drive in rush hour traffic, down hill skiing (which in my state of Colorado kills a average of 13 people a year) or not being careful with all the lead we use in camp. How many times do you see people mix the lead melting and pouring utencils with their cooking items? What is considered dangerous changes with the times. Something you wouldn't do in the fur trade is to leave a gun unloaded while in camp (you wouldn't have you enough time to reload in some situations), but today is the opposite. mike. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 21:46:41 -0800 Old Age and Treachery will win out over Youth and Vigor every time. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:15 PM > Capt > You are a very wicked and plotting man. > > Wynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roger lahti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > bb, > > > > Your though on giving some promising youngster something they won't out > grow > > is right on the money too. > > > > I'm not ready for a dirt bath just yet but I got lots of "things" that > > probably need giving away over the next few years of Rendezvous. I think > > I'll keep my eyes peeled for those "upstarts" that don't look like they'll > > be " a flash in the pan" and potlatch something nice on the closest one > from > > time to time. > > > > Let's see now. I got me way too many double barrel percussion shot guns, > > probably three flint lock rifles too many, a couple smoothbore flint locks > > that ain't gonna get much more use, a couple nice flint smooth pistols > that > > could go to a good home, more powder horns than I can carry, quill work > that > > should be hanging around some pretty young ladies neck or holding up some > > young bucks legg'ens. I know someone will get use out of my linen > haversack > > and knap sack and the copper pots and copper flasks will be well used by > the > > right newbie. I can only use one favorite knife at a time so no sense in > me > > hanging on to all of them. And that brain tan long coat and leggings need > to > > go to just the right person. > > > > Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me fetching my wood and water > > and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get in the give'in mood. > > > > Be see'in you youngsters come green up I imagine. Winter well and may > > visions of full stocks dance in your heads. > > > > YMOS > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 28 Dec 2003 21:48:48 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C3CD8C.6018A810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn! Now heres a "very wicked and plotting man"! And smart too for a = young'in. Well not that young he's not. Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SWcushing@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help In a message dated 12/28/03 5:45:59 PM, amm1719@charter.net writes: Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me fetching my wood and = water and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get in the give'in mood. = aaaah.... I got plenty of wood and water at my camp Capt... and looks = like yer gonna get the guest bed too!
Wynn! Now heres a = "very wicked and plotting man"! And = smart too for a=20 young'in. Well not that young he's not.

Capt. L

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SWcushing@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 = 6:10=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Beginner needs=20 help

In a message dated 12/28/03 5:45:59 = PM, amm1719@charter.net = writes:

Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me = fetching=20 my wood and water
and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get = in the=20 give'in mood. <G>

aaaah.... I got plenty of wood = and water at=20 my camp Capt... and looks like yer gonna get the guest bed too!=20 <G.
Magpie ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C3CD8C.6018A810-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Date: 28 Dec 2003 22:52:46 -0700 I hear ya, Mike! There is the possibility with the pipe incident, that there was more bark than tobacco burnin, and that amount of fire in his 'natural made igloo' may have provided enough heat to get him by. Point taken though. Yep, we still do unsafe practices today. We are informed about what's unsafe, but we still do it. Like running yellow lights, or like the 19 year old snowboarders they are still digging out of the avalanche in the mountains above Provo, south of where I live in Utah. On a lesser scale it's not using eye protection while starting fire with flint and steel (just what is that making sparks anyway? Slivers of burning iron), hearing protection while mowing the lawn or shooting on the range (I still don't use them for hunting), and so on. Even so, I can't remember the last time I asked a doc for a bullet to bite on during surgery! James amm1616@comcast.net wrote: >James, > I would agree. But there is alot of real history that is >like that. Some actual events that are recorded are: placing >lead balls in your mouth to help shoot faster, tying a ramrod >around your neck when running buffalo on horseback or just >wading in icy streams every day- so there is alot that we wouldn't >do today. > We have learned alot since then, but still do dangerous stuff. >For example: drink pop (like coke which my Dad used to unstick frozen >engine blocks with), drive in rush hour traffic, down hill skiing >(which in my state of Colorado kills a average of 13 people a year) >or not being careful with all the lead we use in camp. How many times >do you see people mix the lead melting and pouring utencils with >their cooking items? > What is considered dangerous changes with the times. Something >you wouldn't do in the fur trade is to leave a gun unloaded while >in camp (you wouldn't have you enough time to reload in some situations), >but today is the opposite. > mike. > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Date: 28 Dec 2003 22:17:20 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C3CD90.5C921C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually what likely saved him was just being covered with the snow. It = works as a natural insulation keeping your "hole" above freezing and = with your blanket over you and the snow pilling up it's a natural snow = cave. The pipe was for entertainment. Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobaccy saves trappers Nice piece of history. But I wouldn't reccomend replicating the = event. Granted, he could have any number of plants in his pipe. But = one of the physiological affects of tobacco is shrinking the = capillaries, which might be an invite for frostbite. Don't know if the = elevated heart rate would make up for that, but I wouldn't want to try = that experiment in the body I have to live with for the rest of my days. Sparks amm1616@comcast.net wrote: George Ruxton tells about a time like that in one of his books. He was caught out east of what is now Mantiou Springs, CO. He covers himself up with a blanket and ends up smoking his wooden pipe to nothing during the night. If I remember right, he is covered up with the snow and doesn't see light untill he knocks through with his fist.=20 Dear List, Does anyone know where the I read about some trappers thinking that smoking their pipe kept them alive during a blizzard? The title heading read something like "Smoking pipe keeps trappers alive". I can't find it. Any help out there? Thanks for any help in advance, bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C3CD90.5C921C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually what likely = saved him was=20 just being covered with the snow. It works as a natural insulation = keeping your=20 "hole" above freezing and with your blanket over you and the snow = pilling up=20 it's a natural snow cave. The pipe was for entertainment.

Capt. = L

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James=20 and Sue Stone
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 = 8:08=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Tobaccy saves=20 trappers

Nice piece of history. But I wouldn't reccomend=20 replicating the event. Granted, he could have any number of = plants in=20 his pipe. But one of the physiological affects of tobacco is = shrinking=20 the capillaries, which might be an invite for frostbite. Don't = know if=20 the elevated heart rate would make up for that, but I wouldn't want to = try=20 that experiment in the body I have to live with for the rest of my=20 days.
Sparks

amm1616@comcast.net wrote:

George Ruxton tells about a time like that = in one of his books. He was caught out east of what is now Mantiou Springs, CO. He covers himself up with a blanket and ends up smoking his wooden pipe to nothing during the night. If I remember right, he is covered up with the snow and doesn't see light untill he knocks through with his fist.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C3CD90.5C921C90-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: unsubscribe Date: 29 Dec 2003 09:35:53 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to be away to work for a few months. Unsubscribe me for a while. Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to be away to work for a few months. Unsubscribe me for a while. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: marking tin Date: 29 Dec 2003 10:30:56 EST --part1_150.28933086.2d21a2b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Morning All, In my camp we scratch our mark (an acorn as we are all Oakes and a little nuts) in the top of the handle. And I have found that the bottom of the tin cup rusts out long before the handle even starts to rust due to the scratches we put in. Y.M.O.S. C. T. Oakes The Little Beards Club-V.P. Croghans Co./Brants Volunteers Lottridge Co./Doxstaders --part1_150.28933086.2d21a2b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Morning All,

In my camp we scratch our mark (an acorn as we are all Oakes and a little nu= ts) in the top of the handle. And I have found that the bottom of the=20= tin cup rusts out long before the handle even starts to rust due to the scra= tches we put in.

Y.M.O.S.

C. T. Oakes
The Little Beards Club-V.P.
Croghans Co./Brants Volunteers
Lottridge Co./Doxstaders
--part1_150.28933086.2d21a2b0_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Stuff Date: 29 Dec 2003 12:56:39 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3CE0B.32F36580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Winter's finally here in Montana with lots of snow blowing sideways. I = probably better get busy on my stuff since winter camp is in early Feb. = Thought that this would be a good time for a discussion of Winter Stuff. = I really like Crazy's winter moccasin article on his web page = (http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm). Like to see some more = discussion on winter mocs, tobbans & snow shoes.=20 What about some information on tobbans & snowshoes, i.e., how to make, = best sizes, materials, dimensions, techniques, pros & cons, "Don't do = what I did", etc. Crazy has a great looking hand made tobban in pictures = on his website. As Always,=20 Your Obedient Servant,=20 =20 Bead Shooter ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3CE0B.32F36580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Winter's finally here in Montana with = lots of snow=20 blowing sideways. I probably better get busy on my stuff since winter = camp is in=20 early Feb. Thought that this would be a good time for a discussion of = Winter=20 Stuff. I really like Crazy's winter moccasin article on his web page (http://members.t= ripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm).=20 Like to see some more discussion on winter mocs, tobbans & snow=20 shoes.

What about some information on tobbans = &=20 snowshoes, i.e., how to make, best sizes, materials, dimensions,=20 techniques, pros & cons, "Don't do what I did", etc. Crazy has = a great=20 looking hand made tobban in pictures on his website.

As Always,
Your Obedient=20 Servant,

Bead Shooter
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3CE0B.32F36580-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Miller Subject: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 15:55:42 -0500 A GOOD riddle! This is going to make you think! There are three words in the English language that end in "gry". One is angry and the other is hungry. Everyone knows what the third one means and what it stands for. Everyone uses them everyday, and if you listened very carefully, I've given you the third word. What is it? _______gry? -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Stuff Date: 29 Dec 2003 13:01:42 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3CE0B.E7E17360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bead Shooter, Where'd you come up with "tobbans" rather than "toboggans"?=20 I guess the biggest mistake I've seen us make is to come to a snow shoe = ready to sled in our gear and find there wasn't any snow. Gear had to be = carried on our backs instead of sliding easily on the snow. Took more = than one trip for many to get all they had brought in to camp.=20 Smartest thing we did was on that same trip. We all seven or so of us = threw in together on one shelter. Each took a couple long poles from the = area and laid them into a central point (turned out to be a handy low = lying limb on a big ponderosa Pine) and then started covering the poles = with the pieces of canvas shelter we each carried. We ended up with one = fairly roomy low 'teepee' shelter that even had room for a central fire. = And all on about a foot of old pine needles.=20 The David Thompson Party is famous for doing that same sort of thing on = the "Palouse R. Run" in the early spring. They set the same sort of low = teepee shelter up against a giant of a boulder, have their fire against = the basalt boulder and their camp with it's back to the wind. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3CE0B.E7E17360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bead = Shooter,

Where'd you come up = with "tobbans"=20 rather than "toboggans"?

I guess the biggest = mistake I've=20 seen us make is to come to a snow shoe ready to sled in our gear and = find there=20 wasn't any snow. Gear had to be carried on our backs instead of sliding = easily=20 on the snow. Took more than one trip for many to get all they had = brought in to=20 camp.

Smartest thing we did = was on that=20 same trip. We all seven or so of us threw in together on one shelter. = Each took=20 a couple long poles from the area and laid them into a central point = (turned out=20 to be a handy low lying limb on a big ponderosa Pine) and then started = covering=20 the poles with the pieces of canvas shelter we each carried. We ended up = with=20 one fairly roomy low 'teepee' shelter that even had room for a central = fire. And=20 all on about a foot of old pine needles.

The David Thompson = Party is famous=20 for doing that same sort of thing on the "Palouse R. Run" in the early = spring.=20 They set the same sort of low teepee shelter up against a giant of a = boulder,=20 have their fire against the basalt boulder and their camp with it's back = to the=20 wind.

YMOS

Capt. = Lahti'

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3CE0B.E7E17360-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 16:13:19 -0500 On Monday 29 December 2003 3:55 pm, Fred Miller wrote: > A GOOD riddle! > > This is going to make you think! There are three words in the English > language that end in "gry". One is angry and the other is hungry. Everyone > knows what the third one means and what it stands for. Everyone uses them > everyday, and if you listened very carefully, I've given you the third > word. What is it? _______gry? Sorry - I sent this here in error! Fred -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 16:31:11 -0600 Fred, Don't leave us hanging ... what's the third word? ;-) Larry in Mississippi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 3:13 PM > On Monday 29 December 2003 3:55 pm, Fred Miller wrote: > > A GOOD riddle! > > > > This is going to make you think! There are three words in the English > > language that end in "gry". One is angry and the other is hungry. Everyone > > knows what the third one means and what it stands for. Everyone uses them > > everyday, and if you listened very carefully, I've given you the third > > word. What is it? _______gry? > > Sorry - I sent this here in error! > > Fred > > -- > "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and > the Ugly)." > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 17:11:36 -0600 Larry Do a Google search for "words that end in gry" and you will see that no other COMMON English words end in gry but that there are several obscure words, not just one, that end in gry. There is supposedly a little word that is spelled "gry" but pretty much nobody ever heard of it. This is a reoccurring riddle that pops up from time to time. Scrabble whizzes probably love it. Lanney ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:31 PM > Fred, > Don't leave us hanging ... what's the third word? ;-) > > Larry in Mississippi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Miller" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! > > > > On Monday 29 December 2003 3:55 pm, Fred Miller wrote: > > > A GOOD riddle! > > > > > > This is going to make you think! There are three words in the English > > > language that end in "gry". One is angry and the other is hungry. > Everyone > > > knows what the third one means and what it stands for. Everyone uses > them > > > everyday, and if you listened very carefully, I've given you the third > > > word. What is it? _______gry? > > > > Sorry - I sent this here in error! > > > > Fred > > > > -- > > "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and > > the Ugly)." > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wrc4440@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 18:50:46 EST --part1_d8.5df64d.2d2217d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ENERGY --part1_d8.5df64d.2d2217d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ENERGY --part1_d8.5df64d.2d2217d6_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 18:45:13 -0500 On Monday 29 December 2003 6:11 pm, Lanney Ratcliff wrote: > Larry > Do a Google search for "words that end in gry" and you will see that no > other COMMON English words end in gry but that there are several obscure > words, not just one, that end in gry. There is supposedly a little word > that is spelled "gry" but pretty much nobody ever heard of it. This is a > reoccurring riddle that pops up from time to time. Scrabble whizzes > probably love it. Lanny, the "third" word "The English L.........." Yep - it's language. Fred -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wrc4440@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 18:55:44 EST --part1_1ed.16735ad2.2d221900_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THe word is energy. GJG 2nd time --part1_1ed.16735ad2.2d221900_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THe word is energy. GJG 2nd time --part1_1ed.16735ad2.2d221900_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JW Stephens Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 15:55:28 -0800 Does he mean ENEGRY? Wrc4440@aol.com wrote: > ENERGY ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wrc4440@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 19:00:37 EST --part1_9f.421a5a6f.2d221a25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its my wifes fault she drinking coors. --part1_9f.421a5a6f.2d221a25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its my wifes fault she drinking coo= rs. --part1_9f.421a5a6f.2d221a25_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Stuff Date: 29 Dec 2003 17:19:10 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3CE2F.DF7F9110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I never should has turned-off the spell checker.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Stuff Bead Shooter, Where'd you come up with "tobbans" rather than "toboggans"?=20 I guess the biggest mistake I've seen us make is to come to a snow = shoe ready to sled in our gear and find there wasn't any snow. Gear had = to be carried on our backs instead of sliding easily on the snow. Took = more than one trip for many to get all they had brought in to camp.=20 Smartest thing we did was on that same trip. We all seven or so of us = threw in together on one shelter. Each took a couple long poles from the = area and laid them into a central point (turned out to be a handy low = lying limb on a big ponderosa Pine) and then started covering the poles = with the pieces of canvas shelter we each carried. We ended up with one = fairly roomy low 'teepee' shelter that even had room for a central fire. = And all on about a foot of old pine needles.=20 The David Thompson Party is famous for doing that same sort of thing = on the "Palouse R. Run" in the early spring. They set the same sort of = low teepee shelter up against a giant of a boulder, have their fire = against the basalt boulder and their camp with it's back to the wind. YMOS Capt. 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I guess I never should has turned-off = the spell=20 checker.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger lahti=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 = 2:01=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter = Stuff

Bead = Shooter,

Where'd you come up = with=20 "tobbans" rather than "toboggans"?

I guess the biggest = mistake I've=20 seen us make is to come to a snow shoe ready to sled in our gear and = find=20 there wasn't any snow. Gear had to be carried on our backs instead of = sliding=20 easily on the snow. Took more than one trip for many to get all they = had=20 brought in to camp.

Smartest thing we = did was on=20 that same trip. We all seven or so of us threw in together on one = shelter.=20 Each took a couple long poles from the area and laid them into a = central point=20 (turned out to be a handy low lying limb on a big ponderosa Pine) and = then=20 started covering the poles with the pieces of canvas shelter we each = carried.=20 We ended up with one fairly roomy low 'teepee' shelter that even had = room for=20 a central fire. And all on about a foot of old pine needles. =

The David Thompson = Party is=20 famous for doing that same sort of thing on the "Palouse R. Run" in = the early=20 spring. They set the same sort of low teepee shelter up against a = giant of a=20 boulder, have their fire against the basalt boulder and their camp = with it's=20 back to the wind.

YMOS

Capt. = Lahti'

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C3CE2F.DF7F9110-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wrc4440@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 19:00:37 EST --part1_9f.421a5a6f.2d221a25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its my wifes fault she drinking coors. --part1_9f.421a5a6f.2d221a25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its my wifes fault she drinking coo= rs. --part1_9f.421a5a6f.2d221a25_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 19:33:15 -0500 > if you listened very carefully, I've given you the third word. What is it? > _______gry? ENERGY is RGY not GRY... Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JW Stephens Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 15:55:28 -0800 Does he mean ENEGRY? Wrc4440@aol.com wrote: > ENERGY ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wrc4440@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 18:50:46 EST --part1_d8.5df64d.2d2217d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ENERGY --part1_d8.5df64d.2d2217d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ENERGY --part1_d8.5df64d.2d2217d6_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Candi Smith" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! Date: 29 Dec 2003 18:27:34 -0800 Here is the answer that all are looking for on this web site..... http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/taylor/topics/grypuzzle.htm Twostitch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Miller" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: MtMan-List: A GOOD riddle! > A GOOD riddle! > > This is going to make you think! There are three words in the English language > that end in "gry". One is angry and the other is hungry. Everyone knows what > the third one means and what it stands for. Everyone uses them everyday, and > if you listened very carefully, I've given you the third word. What is it? > _______gry? > > -- > "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and > the Ugly)." > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 29 Dec 2003 22:17:03 -0700 I would like to recomend that no one fall for this shameful exploitation. That might cut down on the competition some. Wynn ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:46 PM > Old Age and Treachery will win out over Youth and Vigor every time. > > Capt. Lahti' > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wynn Ormond" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > Capt > > You are a very wicked and plotting man. > > > > Wynn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "roger lahti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:43 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > > > > bb, > > > > > > Your though on giving some promising youngster something they won't out > > grow > > > is right on the money too. > > > > > > I'm not ready for a dirt bath just yet but I got lots of "things" that > > > probably need giving away over the next few years of Rendezvous. I think > > > I'll keep my eyes peeled for those "upstarts" that don't look like > they'll > > > be " a flash in the pan" and potlatch something nice on the closest one > > from > > > time to time. > > > > > > Let's see now. I got me way too many double barrel percussion shot guns, > > > probably three flint lock rifles too many, a couple smoothbore flint > locks > > > that ain't gonna get much more use, a couple nice flint smooth pistols > > that > > > could go to a good home, more powder horns than I can carry, quill work > > that > > > should be hanging around some pretty young ladies neck or holding up > some > > > young bucks legg'ens. I know someone will get use out of my linen > > haversack > > > and knap sack and the copper pots and copper flasks will be well used by > > the > > > right newbie. I can only use one favorite knife at a time so no sense in > > me > > > hanging on to all of them. And that brain tan long coat and leggings > need > > to > > > go to just the right person. > > > > > > Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me fetching my wood and > water > > > and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I get in the give'in mood. > > > > > > Be see'in you youngsters come green up I imagine. Winter well and may > > > visions of full stocks dance in your heads. > > > > > > YMOS > > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike stilts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help Date: 30 Dec 2003 13:02:10 -0800 (PST) --- Wynn Ormond wrote: > I would like to recomend that no one fall for this > shameful exploitation. > > That might cut down on the competition some. > Wynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roger lahti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > Dear Wynn I have you know that i ain't no grenhorn and have been livin in Southern rockys mountains for 3 yeares > > Old Age and Treachery will win out over Youth and > Vigor every time. > > > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wynn Ormond" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:15 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > > > > Capt > > > You are a very wicked and plotting man. > > > > > > Wynn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "roger lahti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beginner needs help > > > > > > > > > > bb, > > > > > > > > Your though on giving some promising youngster > something they won't > out > > > grow > > > > is right on the money too. > > > > > > > > I'm not ready for a dirt bath just yet but I > got lots of "things" that > > > > probably need giving away over the next few > years of Rendezvous. I > think > > > > I'll keep my eyes peeled for those "upstarts" > that don't look like > > they'll > > > > be " a flash in the pan" and potlatch > something nice on the closest > one > > > from > > > > time to time. > > > > > > > > Let's see now. I got me way too many double > barrel percussion shot > guns, > > > > probably three flint lock rifles too many, a > couple smoothbore flint > > locks > > > > that ain't gonna get much more use, a couple > nice flint smooth pistols > > > that > > > > could go to a good home, more powder horns > than I can carry, quill > work > > > that > > > > should be hanging around some pretty young > ladies neck or holding up > > some > > > > young bucks legg'ens. I know someone will get > use out of my linen > > > haversack > > > > and knap sack and the copper pots and copper > flasks will be well used > by > > > the > > > > right newbie. I can only use one favorite > knife at a time so no sense > in > > > me > > > > hanging on to all of them. And that brain tan > long coat and leggings > > need > > > to > > > > go to just the right person. > > > > > > > > Guess it will boil down to who's closest to me > fetching my wood and > > water > > > > and fluffing up my bed roll at night when I > get in the give'in mood. > > > > > > > > > Be see'in you youngsters come green up I > imagine. Winter well and may > > > > visions of full stocks dance in your heads. > > > > > > > > YMOS > > > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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