From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Date: 01 Sep 2004 00:08:47 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C48FB7.D9E6B860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis, You know us PRP boys will be at Bridger this Labor Day weekend and brain = tanning is one of the demos we are planning to do. I know of a couple = of people who need to be doing hides so join and get your hands dirty. Later, Mike Powell AMM #1769 Poison River Party Booshway "Aux Aliment Du Pays" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Richards=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Dennis Knapp & List Frozen hides will keep indefinitely for tanning as buckskin. They = won't have the mucus break down that dried out hides have, so they'll behave more = like fresh hides. They will be wetscrape nicely though, just like fresh = hides. We have an article on storing hides online at = http://www.braintan.com/articles/storing.html=20 Matt Richards www.braintan.com -----Original Message----- From: = owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Knapp Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:35 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: another brain tan question Since we are on the subject of brain tanning, here is another question = about stored hides. What about hides that have been in the freezer for 1-2 years. = Will they still be good to tan. The hair is still on. I keep thinking about doing = brain tanning but have not as yet. No excuses, just haven't. Maybe some of the PRP boys = could get together for a weekend and demonstrate brain tanning to the beginner = with their own hide. Hint hint!! VBG Regards, Dennis Knapp southern Idaho ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C48FB7.D9E6B860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis,
You know us PRP boys will be at Bridger this Labor Day weekend and = brain=20 tanning is one of the demos we are planning to do.  I know of a = couple of=20 people who need to be doing hides so join and get your hands = dirty.
Later,
Mike Powell
AMM #1769  Poison River Party Booshway
"Aux Aliment Du = Pays"
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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 = 4:14=20 PM
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: = another brain=20 tan question

Dennis Knapp & List

Frozen hides will keep=20 indefinitely for tanning as buckskin. They won't have
the mucus = break down=20 that dried out hides have, so they'll behave more like
fresh hides. = They=20 will be wetscrape nicely though, just like fresh hides. We
have an = article=20 on storing hides online at
http://www.brainta= n.com/articles/storing.html=20

Matt Richards
www.braintan.com

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[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Dennis Knapp
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:35 = PM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 MtMan-List: another brain tan question

Since we are on the = subject of=20 brain tanning, here is another question about
stored
hides. What = about=20 hides that have been in the freezer for 1-2 years. Will
they = still
be=20 good to tan. The hair is still on. I keep thinking about doing=20 brain
tanning but
have not as yet. No excuses, just haven't. = Maybe some=20 of the PRP boys could
get
together for a weekend and demonstrate = brain=20 tanning to the beginner with
their own
hide. Hint hint!!=20 VBG
Regards,
Dennis Knapp
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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C48FB7.D9E6B860-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Mitchell" Subject: MtMan-List: Brain tan Question Date: 03 Sep 2004 15:29:18 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C491CA.C7154DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to hear about the hides and sorry I was unable to answer my emails = for so long I have been swamped with skins to do so let me put in my two = bits first off with salt dried hides you can relax them back and make = them act like a fresh skin not very primitive but effective is to use a = commercial relaxing agent to soak the hides in but tan as normal with = the hides that tore I think that the grain was harder to remove because = their was no swelling of the skin see lye is caustic ph of about 12 to = 16 and that is what makes the hair slip but I prefer lime it is cheaper = and makes the hide swell so you can see the grain layer better however = you can leave a skin in any of these too long what happens is the lye or = lime starts to compress the fibers of the skin and weakens it is easy = to do I will be up to Bridger on sat and would love to answer any = questions. the brain tan demo sounds great I hope to see some of it I = can always lean more. If you need any more help or have any more = questions feel free to ask and do not give the tanning up their is = nothing more fun than busting your butt and then thinking feel this = velvet soft skin I did that. and of course check out matts web site it = was a life saver to me more than one time If you get a chance to buy = his dvd I would highly recommend it great watching I have tanned 100's = of skins watch the movie once in awhile and lean something new almost = every time that is one of the joys of tanning traditionally or = commercially their is always some one that has a new idea or method and = you get to lean it thanks for your time=20 Keith Mitchell P.S. see you at fort Bridger ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C491CA.C7154DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to hear about the hides and sorry = I was=20 unable to answer my emails for so long I have been swamped with skins to = do so=20 let me put in my two bits first off with salt dried hides you can relax = them=20 back and make them act like a fresh skin not very primitive but = effective is to=20 use a commercial relaxing agent to soak the hides in but tan as normal = with the=20 hides that tore I think that the grain was harder to remove because = their was no=20 swelling of the skin see lye is caustic ph of about 12 to 16 and that is = what=20 makes the hair slip but I prefer lime it is cheaper and makes the hide = swell so=20 you can see the grain layer better however you can leave a skin in any = of these=20 too long what happens is the lye or lime starts to compress the fibers = of the=20 skin and weakens it is easy to do I will be up to Bridger on sat and = would love=20 to answer any questions. the brain tan demo sounds great I hope to see = some of=20 it I can always lean more. If you need any more help or have any more = questions=20 feel free to ask and do not give the tanning up their is nothing more = fun than=20 busting your butt and then thinking feel this velvet soft skin I did = that. and=20 of course check out matts web site it was a life saver to me more than = one time=20 If you get  a chance to buy his dvd I would highly recommend it = great=20 watching I have tanned 100's of skins watch the movie once in awhile and = lean=20 something new almost every time that is one of the joys of tanning = traditionally=20 or commercially their is always some one that has a new idea or method = and you=20 get to lean it
thanks for your time
Keith Mitchell
P.S. see you at fort=20 Bridger
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C491CA.C7154DE0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain tan Question Date: 03 Sep 2004 23:55:57 EDT In a message dated 9/3/04 6:01:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mitchellsfurco@sisna.com writes: << f you get a chance to buy his dvd I would highly recommend it great watching I have tanned 100's of skins watch the movie once in awhile and lean something new almost every time that is one of the joys of tanning traditionally or commercially their is always some one that has a new idea or method and you get to lean it >> Didna know Matt had a DVD! Seeing as how I am a VERY visual learner, I would likely do better with that! Thanks! BTW, is the lime buck recipe on Matt's site? If the hide were swelled more that would help me a lot. I had thought of adding some hickory ash lye just cuz Matt mentioned in his book it sorta stains the grain and you can better see what you have done. Has anyone on the list ever tried some sort of something during bucking that makes the grain "color" a little? Seems to me that would be the best to be able to see what you have gotten and what you have missed. Also, when you all grain, just how much volume of grain comes off when you are scraping? Thanks, -Christopher ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 05 Sep 2004 20:28:22 -0500 Happy Labor Day to those who labor and to those who benefit from that labor....no matter what the labor is. From carpenters to engineers to dentists to truck drivers to teachers to pilots to office managers to stay-at-home parents to blacksmiths to burger flippers........ all of us. Hell, even lawyers. I just put a giant (just under 14 lb) brisket on the smoker for it's 12-14 hours in the smoke.....100% mesquite this time. Anybody in driving distance is welcome to come on down for BBQ & beer (and iced tea, too) with a few tasty accoutrements accompanying. Might even be a little Willie on the stereo (or Moody Blues, too). A party. You know you can spot a laborer if his work boots costs $170 and his Sunday shoes cost $69. Look in my closet for an example of that very thing. Have a good time, y'all, but try not to become a labor day statistic. Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________ ________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lray@mindspring.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 05 Sep 2004 20:28:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Ha! This was waiting for me when I just got home from work. Mi compadres can't believe that I would work today, but it is so quiet and productive without all of them buzzing around the hive! How do they know that Frances is gonna take a turn to the north and not keep plowing on that same vector, headed your way? Peace, big brother B'st'rd, gonna sip and puff for Laura Jean -----Original Message----- Sent: Sep 5, 2004 6:28 PM scalpdance Happy Labor Day to those who labor and to those who benefit from that labor....no matter what the labor is. From carpenters to engineers to dentists to truck drivers to teachers to pilots to office managers to stay-at-home parents to blacksmiths to burger flippers........ all of us. Hell, even lawyers. I just put a giant (just under 14 lb) brisket on the smoker for it's 12-14 hours in the smoke.....100% mesquite this time. Anybody in driving distance is welcome to come on down for BBQ & beer (and iced tea, too) with a few tasty accoutrements accompanying. Might even be a little Willie on the stereo (or Moody Blues, too). A party. You know you can spot a laborer if his work boots costs $170 and his Sunday shoes cost $69. Look in my closet for an example of that very thing. Have a good time, y'all, but try not to become a labor day statistic. Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________ ________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 06 Sep 2004 01:22:22 EDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/5/2004 8:29:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lray@mindspring.com writes: gonna sip and puff for Laura Jean Hmmmm. Sounds like you might need some company to keep you out of trouble? Barney Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/5/2004 8:29:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 lray@mindspring.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>gonna=20 sip and puff for Laura Jean
Hmmmm. Sounds like you might need some company to keep you= out=20 of trouble? <GGG>    Barney
---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Jackson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 06 Sep 2004 05:17:41 -0400 Aye Lanney Will be laboring on the pipeline today. sounds like a good time will be missed at your camp MadJack ----- Original Message ----- "scalpdance" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:28 PM > Happy Labor Day to those who labor and to those who benefit from that > labor....no matter what the labor is. From carpenters to engineers to > dentists to truck drivers to teachers to pilots to office managers to > stay-at-home parents to blacksmiths to burger flippers........ all of us. > Hell, even lawyers. > I just put a giant (just under 14 lb) brisket on the smoker for it's > 12-14 > hours in the smoke.....100% mesquite this time. Anybody in driving > distance is welcome to come on down for BBQ & beer (and iced tea, too) > with > a few tasty accoutrements accompanying. Might even be a little Willie on > the stereo (or Moody Blues, too). A party. > You know you can spot a laborer if his work boots costs $170 and his > Sunday shoes cost $69. Look in my closet for an example of that very > thing. > Have a good time, y'all, but try not to become a labor day statistic. > > Lanney Ratcliff > lanneyratcliff@charter.net > ______________________ > > > ________________________________________ > Aux Aliments du Pays > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 06 Sep 2004 07:42:45 -0500 I'll hoist one to Laura Jean today, too. I shared one with her last winter........sipped some Jack Black and sprinkled some on her grave. She will be missed for a long time. Lanney ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:28 PM > Ha! This was waiting for me when I just got home from work. Mi compadres can't believe that I would work today, but it is so quiet and productive without all of them buzzing around the hive! > > How do they know that Frances is gonna take a turn to the north and not keep plowing on that same vector, headed your way? > > Peace, big brother > > B'st'rd, gonna sip and puff for Laura Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lanney Ratcliff > Sent: Sep 5, 2004 6:28 PM > To: AMM , History List , > scalpdance > Subject: MtMan-List: Labor Day > > Happy Labor Day to those who labor and to those who benefit from that > labor....no matter what the labor is. From carpenters to engineers to > dentists to truck drivers to teachers to pilots to office managers to > stay-at-home parents to blacksmiths to burger flippers........ all of us. > Hell, even lawyers. > I just put a giant (just under 14 lb) brisket on the smoker for it's 12-14 > hours in the smoke.....100% mesquite this time. Anybody in driving > distance is welcome to come on down for BBQ & beer (and iced tea, too) with > a few tasty accoutrements accompanying. Might even be a little Willie on > the stereo (or Moody Blues, too). A party. > You know you can spot a laborer if his work boots costs $170 and his > Sunday shoes cost $69. Look in my closet for an example of that very thing. > Have a good time, y'all, but try not to become a labor day statistic. > > Lanney Ratcliff > lanneyratcliff@charter.net > ______________________ > > > ________________________________________ > Aux Aliments du Pays > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 06 Sep 2004 09:32:50 -0700 Lanney, Hope the BBQ is going well. I must be a laborer, cause my sunday shoes are my newest $150 work boots. I hope everyone is having a good Holiday, wether they are working it , or not. I raise a glass to friends, both living and those who have gone to the other side.......Cheers..... Yfab, hardtack ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 06 Sep 2004 15:32:46 -0500 Hardtack, The brisket was superior, even by my high standards. It was "in the smoke" for 12 hours with only a rub on it then dosed with a little diluted Stubbs BBQ sauce, wrapped tightly in foil and cooked in the over at about 225 for about 3 more hours. It was so good I couldn't decide if I should eat it or roll around on it naked. Lanney ps: How was THAT for a visual??? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:32 AM > Lanney, Hope the BBQ is going well. I must be a laborer, cause my sunday > shoes are my newest $150 work boots. I hope everyone is having a good > Holiday, wether they are working it , or not. I raise a glass to friends, > both living and those who have gone to the other side.......Cheers..... > Yfab, hardtack > > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 06 Sep 2004 18:24:27 -0400 MY EYES!!!!!! D ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:32 PM > Hardtack, > The brisket was superior, even by my high standards. It was "in the smoke" > for 12 hours with only a rub on it then dosed with a little diluted Stubbs > BBQ sauce, wrapped tightly in foil and cooked in the over at about 225 for > about 3 more hours. It was so good I couldn't decide if I should eat it or > roll around on it naked. > Lanney > ps: How was THAT for a visual??? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randal Bublitz" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:32 AM > Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Labor Day > > > > Lanney, Hope the BBQ is going well. I must be a laborer, cause my > sunday > > shoes are my newest $150 work boots. I hope everyone is having a good > > Holiday, wether they are working it , or not. I raise a glass to friends, > > both living and those who have gone to the other side.......Cheers..... > > Yfab, hardtack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 06 Sep 2004 17:07:35 -0700 Lanney, I'm imagining a damned big briscuit ...... finger lickin' good I know, but Lanney lickin' good....? gonna have to get used to that idea........ Here's to you brother...... yfab, hardtack > Lanney > ps: How was THAT for a visual??? ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Labor Day Date: 07 Sep 2004 01:07:18 EDT --part1_92.1457d0b8.2e6e9c06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/6/04 3:23:42 PM, deforge1@bright.net writes: > How was THAT for a visual??? > Yeow.....! You know, I may never think of a BBQ brisket in the same way again.... just tell me you ATE it Lanney! Magpie --part1_92.1457d0b8.2e6e9c06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/6/04 3:23:42 PM, deforge1@bright.net writes:


How was THAT for a vi= sual???


Yeow.....! You know, I may never think of a BBQ brisket in the same way agai= n.... just tell me you ATE it Lanney!

Magpie

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