From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #8 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 008 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:06:13 -0500 From: "Donald A. Ricetti" Subject: MtMan-List: '98 EPR Web site Hear Ye, Hear Ye all good and decent persons are invited to visit the site of the '98 EPR. Skinners welcome too! Lots of info along with a few pictures. Drop by and let us know what you think. URL is http://home.earthlink.net/~segundo98/ Keep yer top knot, Bear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:47:25 -0700 (MST) From: Clay Landry Subject: MtMan-List: Journal Of A Trapper At 10:15 PM 1/19/98 EST, you wrote: >Can someone direct me to a place where I can pick Osbourne Russlls >book,"Jouranl of a Trapper?" I went to my local bookstore and they had no clue >what I was lokking for. > >Thanks >Don Zapfel > - ---------------------------------------------- Don You can order "Journal Of A Trapper" by Osborne Russell ed by Aubrey Haines from the University of Nebraska Press. They have published this book for years. I also saw a hard bound edition in our local Barnes and Noble book store. Most used book stores have a copy of the paper back edition. University of Nebraska Press P.O. Box 880484 Linclon Nebraska 68588-0484 phone 18007551105 fax 18005262617 internet; press@unlinfo.unl.edu Clay Landry P.O. Box 1033 Columbus MT 59019 - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:39:24 EST From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Log homes and such Oh forgot to add that a still is where you make corn whiskey or some such alcoholic drink. I've tasted moonshine made in South Carolina....made my hair stand on end! Cheers, Ted ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:35:48 -0800 From: tigrbo1 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1860 Army Colt Henry B. Crawford wrote: > I have an 1860 Colt Army (repro) that I need to disassemble to do some > surgery on it's innards (needs a new hand-and-spring). The two screws > behind the trigger holding the trigger guard in place won't come out. Hi Henry, I recemend the use of gunsmith screwdrivers as they have parallel griping surface rather than taperd like standerd types. If you are unable to remove the screws you will have to drill and use a screw extractor. Don't use the type that has a long taperd square shaft with slots cut into the edges, they'er worthless. Instead use the type that has a taperd round shaft with reverse threads cut into the shaft. The package it comes in will tell you what size drill bit to use. I have a 1851 colt navy (repo) that has had two hands replaced so far. I took mine to a local BP gunsmith to do the job as I simply didn't have the time, which as you say, may be the wisest choice. Whatever you decide, good luck. Regards, Terry Smith >I've tried penetrating oil, and all that does is make my screwdriver slip. I am > not using gunsmithing screwdrivers, which might be part of the problem. I > also know that the guy the gun came from didn't seem to take care of it. I > could only pop three of the nipples. Anyway, I need a solution. Do I need > to take it to a gunsmith or is there something else I can try at home? I > don't want to strip the screw heads, so for now I am resolved to leave it > until I get some help from those well versed in bp revolver gunsmithing. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > HBC > > ***************************************** > Henry B. Crawford Curator of History > mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University > 806/742-2442 Box 43191 > FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 > WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum > ******** "Eat with gusto and enthusiasm" ******** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:30:58 -0800 From: tigrbo1 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shovel Mike Katona wrote: > > Need a good drawing of a period (1800-1850) shovel to take over to my > blacksmith. Would appreciate it if someone has one that they could > ship me. thanks > Two Squaws Hiveranno > AMM # 914 Greetings Mike, Try contacting John White at Avalon Forge: avlonfrg@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Regards, Terry Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:42:35 -0800 From: tigrbo1 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names DJZapfel wrote: > > Can someone direct me to a place where I can pick Osbourne Russlls > book,"Jouranl of a Trapper?" I went to my local bookstore and they had no clue > what I was lokking for. > > Thanks > Don Zapfel Hi Don, Have you tried Amazon books? Their web stie is something like www.amazonbooks.com , give it a try. Regards, Terry Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:02:35 -0800 From: tigrbo1 Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Dog Trot Cabins Ted A Hart wrote: >I'm interested in a particular style that's supposedly prevalent in the South. Dog-trot log homes to be extact. Greetings Ted, "The Log Cabin" Homes of the North American Wilderness. By Alex W. Bealer and John O. Ellis. Barre Publishing, Barre, Mass. Distributed by Crown Publishers, Inc. New York. This book has 11 pages on "Dogtrot" cabins. Hope this helps. Best regards, Terry Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:11:56 -0800 From: tigrbo1 Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Rian-de -Voo SWcushing wrote: > > How....the list, > I'm headed up to the "Rain de voo" in Olympia, WA next month Greetings Steve, I'm trying to convince the Mrs's that we should go to the "Rain-de-voo" at least to socialize if nothing else. So if you happen to see a medium blue 1971 International pickup truck with a 1971 Roll-a-Long camper on it, stop by and say hello. Regards, Terry Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:22:50 -0800 From: tigrbo1 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1860 Army Colt Henry B. Crawford wrote: > What's hollow ground? Greetings Henry, "Hollow grinding" is the process of removing material in a rounded groove. You have no doubt seen this done on knives, swords, gun barrles and such. The process ligthens and strengthens the item. Hope this helps. Regards, Terry Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:04:24 -0800 From: Frank Stewart Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names DJZapfel wrote: > Can someone direct me to a place where I can pick Osbourne Russlls > book,"Jouranl of a Trapper?" I went to my local bookstore and they had no clue > what I was lokking for. Yup! Try http://www.amazon.com/I've found them to be fast and easy. Their prices are reasonable too! Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:01:52 EST From: Nauga Mok Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names In a message dated 98-01-21 11:17:56 EST, you write: << Can someone direct me to a place where I can pick Osbourne Russlls book,"Jouranl of a Trapper?" I went to my local bookstore and they had no clue what I was lokking for. >> Dean has that one available for download in his archives -- or at least parts of it. NM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:08:45 EST From: JFLEMYTH Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Echo 'vous Roy, You mention posting something about an "echo randevous". I'm sorry, I missed that one some how. If you are still interested in doing it, when and where are you thinking of? Please, drop me a line. I am curious, but I don't know what I could actually do this year. By the way, I am sure your mom just means to not disturb her peace and quite at night when she says to keep away from her still... Yeah, that must be it... :-) Thanks for your time. John F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:22:53 -0500 From: "Colleen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Journal Of A Trapper > > At 10:15 PM 1/19/98 EST, you wrote: > >Can someone direct me to a place where I can pick Osbourne Russlls > >book,"Jouranl of a Trapper?" I went to my local bookstore and they had no clue > >what I was lokking for. > > > >Thanks > >Don Zapfel > > Try this site: http://daniel.interloc.com great site to look for books!!! Colleen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:23:32 -0600 From: WIDD-Tim Austin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names -Reply The Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton, OK sells the book for sure. The last time I was at Bent's Old Fort in LaJunta, CO they also had it. Almost every place I have been in the West has it, talking of museums and the like. Not that difficult to find. There are several people that have sale catalogues, that deal with mountain men stuff that sell it. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:38:04 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dog Trot Cabins >Ted A Hart wrote: > >>I'm interested in a particular style that's supposedly prevalent in the >>South. Dog-trot log homes to be extact. > Our museum has 33 historic structures, including a dogtrot log house (if the dwelling has more than one room, it's a house, not a cabin) from the Texas Hill Country. Write me off-line (or call) if you want more info. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ******** "Eat with gusto and enthusiasm" ******** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:56 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Dog Trot Cabins >>Ted A Hart wrote: >> >>>I'm interested in a particular style that's supposedly prevalent in the >>>South. Dog-trot log homes to be extact. >> >Our museum has 33 historic structures, including a dogtrot log house (if >the dwelling has more than one room, it's a house, not a cabin) from the >Texas Hill Country. Write me off-line (or call) if you want more info. >HBC Meanwhile, take a look at Terry Jordan, _Texas Log Buildings: A Folk Architecture_, and John Vlach, _Back of the Big House: The Architecture of Plantation Slavery_. Both historias are well versed in the technical terminology of historical architecture. Jordan's book is a demographic study of log structure types, and Vlach deals with the the variety of architecture styles built by and/or for American slave use. Both are profusely illustrated. good luck HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ******** "Eat with gusto and enthusiasm" ******** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:54:31 -0700 From: "David Tippets" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names Re: Nick Names/Camp Names Not only did mountain men generally not use Indian names, neither did many Indian mountain men and Metis who were a very important part of the trapping population. Many of the mountain men with French names, such as Old Pierre for whom Pierre's Hole was named, were Iroquois. The Iroquois had Iroquois names but apparently didn't use them as a matter of choice fur trade business. Being Indian seems to be more popular in 1998 than it was 1838. - -----Original Message----- From: Angela Gottfred To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:12 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nick Names/Camp Names >Clay Landry wrote: >>While there seems to be good evidence that some fur brigade Captains and >>leaders had Indian styled names such as "Broken Hand" and "Blanket Chief" it >>does not appear that the other white trappers referred to them by these >>handles. >>No where in the literature of the Rocky Mountain fur trade can I find a >>historical precident or inference for trappers hanging Indian styled names >>on one another. > >Clay, I quite agree with you that the ubiquitous "rendezvous names" seem to >be a modern phenomenon. In the W. Canadian fur trade, 1774-1821, almost >everyone went by the names their mothers gave them. However, there are a >small number of examples of nicknames. > >North West Company wintering partner John Macdonald of Garth might be >familiar to those folks studying Astoria's later years. In letters, he was >referrred to as John Macdonald (Garth) to distinguish him from another >prominent John Macdonald of the North West Company. (Historians carry on the >distinction for the same reason.) In his memoirs, he says that the voyageurs >called him "bras croche" (crooked arm) because he had a withered right arm. > >Simon McTavish ran the North West Company with an iron hand until his death >in 1804. Nor'westers called him "The Marquis" behind his back. > >George Simpson, who ran the HBC in Canada for many years was called "The >Little Emperor" (behind his back) because, like Napoleon, he was small in >stature but still very powerful. > >John Rowand Sr., who ran Fort Edmonton for many years, was called "One Pound >One" because he had a bad leg, which he dragged when he walked, making a >sound like "one pound one" as he crossed the floor. > >Joseph Landry, who was Nor'wester Alexander Mackenzie's steersman in 1789, >on his Arctic Ocean voyage, and again in 1793, on his voyage to the Pacific, >was called "Cadien" (Acadian) because he was born in the old Acadian area of >what is now New Brunswick & Nova Scotia. Another voyageur, Charles >Doucette, was also called "Cadien" for the same reason. > >In fact, voyageurs seem to have been more likely to have had nicknames than >non-voyageurs (although nicknames were not at all usual). The French word >"dit" (pronounced "dee" or "deet") means "called" and Joseph Landry's full >name is Joseph Landry dit Cadien. There are other voyageurs with "dit" >surnames--Jean-Baptiste Boucher dit Waccan, Joseph Pelletier dit Antaya--and >quite frankly I don't really understand "dit" surnames, except that, as the >above examples show, they are not always French nicknames (neither Waccan >nor Antaya are French words, so far as I know). Some French names of >voyageurs, such as La Malice and La Framboise, might be nicknames >("Malice/Trick", "Raspberry"). Since English has proper surnames like >"Greenwood" ("Boisverd" in French), and Japanese has surnames like "Tanaka" >("middle field"), I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about La Malice >and La Framboise without further research. > >Your humble & obedient servant, >Angela Gottfred >agottfre@telusplanet.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:23:30 -0700 (MST) From: Dean Rudy Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Russell > > In a message dated 98-01-21 11:17:56 EST, you write: > > << Can someone direct me to a place where I can pick Osbourne Russlls > book,"Jouranl of a Trapper?" I went to my local bookstore and they had no > clue > what I was lokking for. >> > > Dean has that one available for download in his archives -- or at least parts > of it. > NM > > Nope, all of it. http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/ruslintr.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:02:29 EST From: SWcushing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Rian-de -Voo Ho Terry, Will look for your rig....had planned on bring my lodge but looks like I'll only get to spend maybe a day there...probably will rain too!! If anyone is interested here's the web page on the "Rain-de-vous" http://www.olywa.net/mmccahan/raindev.html Should be great fun and a good reason to get out of the house...... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:34:25 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: '98 EPR Web site Don I stopped by the site, Mainpage was up and running, but none of the links were operational?? Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Donald A. Ricetti wrote: > Hear Ye, Hear Ye all good and decent persons are invited to visit the > site of the '98 EPR. Skinners welcome too! Lots of info along with a few > pictures. Drop by and let us know what you think. URL is > http://home.earthlink.net/~segundo98/ > Keep yer top knot, > Bear > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:59:14 -0700 From: "David Tippets" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trapping Season? - -----Original Message----- From: Dale Byrd To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:12 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Trapping Season? >Hi Everyone: > >When is the best season for trapping? Is it winter, fall, spring, etc?? > >Back in the mid 1850's around the Canadian border, what pelts or furs were >common? > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > > >Dale > > To: Dale, et al Re: Pelts and trapping seasons >From the historical perspective, dates make a big difference in how you questions are answered. My answers to your questions are longer and more complex than you probably expected. Historically, beaver reached their highest value before silk replaced beaver as the preferred natural resource for making men's hats. That change, and the resulting drop in beaver prices, brought an end to the rendezvous period of the fur trade by 1840. When the main value for beaver was for felting the underfur, the concept of "prime" was different than it is now with fur traders allowing a much broader latitude in what they accepted as prime for purchase. Consequently, the mountain men of the rendezvous period started trapping much earlier in the fall and ended their trapping much later in the spring than is either legal nowadays, or rewarded by the prices modern fur buyers will pay for plews. During the rendezvous period trappers in the Northern and Central Rocky Mountains would have been hitting the streams hard by October, slow down during the midwinter freeze up, then really attack the beaver streams in earnest from March through May. Although they could trap in mid winter, most journals don't reflect much trapping activity then. One notable exception is John Work's journal for the winter his brigade wintered on the northern edge of the Snake River Plain in current-day Idaho. That winter, Work's large brigade continued trapping in earnest, but Work's journals record that the entire brigade's daily beaver catch during the winter was less than it would have been for a day for one good trapper during the spring season. In the same part of the world in our time, the high-country beaver won't start to really get prime by modern standards until sometime in November, and then freeze up soon follows at high elevations. The season, primeness, and freeze-up lag as one follows the mountain streams down to the lower big valleys thus influencing the trapping season. As per common pelts on the Canadian border area in the mid 1850s, again dates make a big difference, as does what one defines as a pelt. Technically, pelts come from furbearers and other mammals have hides. The Hudson Bay Company had markets at times for hides of black bears, grizzly bears, Rocky Mountain goats, and most notably bison hides. By the 1850s the bison hide business was just getting started. I don't have specific information on which fur pelts were most common circa 1850, but I do know that Hudson Bay Company records pretty consistently show a large muskrat harvest -- larger in numbers of pelts than other furs. Compared to today, however, the harvests of wolverine, marten, fisher, and Canada lynx were large. These carnivores are all dependent on the kind of forested wilderness that is rapidly disappearing in North American. Coyotes, red fox, raccoons, and bobcats, carnivores that are "habitat generalists, now occupy much of the now more fragmented disturbed ecosystems. Of all the furs commonly harvested in the mid-1850s, the only ones still in abundance are beaver and muskrat. March and April are the best months to trap those species. Of the species currently expanding in the West, red fox and raccoon are probably the most common, and November and December are the best months to trap those species. You might enjoy reading, "Canadian Wilds," by Martin Hunter, published by the Harding Company. It gives good insight into the Canadian fur trade following the crash of beaver prices, and the kind of fur trade that sustained the HBC until late in this century. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:40:07 -0700 From: "David Tippets" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Nick names/ camp names If I understand correctly, Black Harris was an Iroquois -- making that name a white-man's nickname for an Indian, rather than an Indian nickname for a white man. However, "Black" could have been his actual anglo name rather than just a nickname nickname. I'm told by a grad student currently researching this subject that Black is common Iroquois name used during the fur trade period. - -----Original Message----- From: Rkleinx2 To: hist_text@xmission.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:32 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Nick names/ camp names >Lest we forget 'Black' Harris > > Dick > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:28:16 EST From: TetonTod Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Nick names/ camp names First I've heard`of Moses "Black" Harris being an Iroquois. I'm interested in further details. Todd Glover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: zaslow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Log homes and such Ted, I got a book when I was in Tennessee that might have the information you are looking for. It's called "The Log House in East Tennessee" by John Morgan. It was published by the University of Tennessee Press in Knoxville in 1990. The # is ISBN 0-87049-653-0. Hope this helps. Best Regards, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 ________________________________________________________________________________ At 04:17 AM 1/18/98 EST, you wrote: >Hello, > >This is the third time I've tried to submit this...perhaps this doesn't >meet any historical requirements of this e-mail group but I do believe it >does. I, more than, appreciated all the e-mails about navigation and >damascus knives! Now on my next subject. > >It's about historically correct log homes. I'm interested in a >particular style that's supposedly prevalent in the South. Dog-trot log >homes to be extact. They were two log homes or possibly three connected >by a roof with spaces in between to create breezeways so that you would >be able to cool off easier. Had huge wrap-around porches along with the >breezeways. I would like sources to where to get info on those and to >see if there's anybody building those modern dog-trot homes or those who >get old homes and restore them etc. Also would like basic info on when >dog-trot homes were first created etc. I also am interested in the >Louisiana swamp homes built with cypress logs...heard that they are still >built. You can see an excellent example of one in the movie "Old Man >River". They also show my breed of dog (Louisiana Leopard Catahoula!) >Does anyone know anything about both styles of houses?? I really would >like to know. Also any www pages that are related to those as well. >Thank you for any help that you are able to provide. > >Ted > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:09:38 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Log homes and such Ted, Tell me more about the movie "Old Man River". I'm real interested in catahoulas and would like to see how they are used in the movie. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:35:35 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: '98 EPR Web site What's an EPR. Let me guess . . . Eastern Primitive Rendezvous?? HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ******** "Eat with gusto and enthusiasm" ******** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:37:56 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Log homes and such >Ted, > >Tell me more about the movie "Old Man River". I'm real interested in >catahoulas and would like to see how they are used in the movie. > What's a catahoula? Back in the early days of this century there was a baseball team called the Catahoula Dirt Movers. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ******** "Eat with gusto and enthusiasm" ******** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:40:11 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Log homes and such Sorry, I must have missed your first posts. Yesterday, I replied to a query (maybe it was yours) about dogtrot log structures. See my reply from yesterday. Cheers, HBC >> >>This is the third time I've tried to submit this...perhaps this doesn't >>meet any historical requirements of this e-mail group but I do believe it >>does. I, more than, appreciated all the e-mails about navigation and >>damascus knives! Now on my next subject. >> >>It's about historically correct log homes. I'm interested in a >>particular style that's supposedly prevalent in the South. Dog-trot log >>homes to be extact. They were two log homes or possibly three connected >>by a roof with spaces in between to create breezeways so that you would >>be able to cool off easier. Had huge wrap-around porches along with the >>breezeways. I would like sources to where to get info on those and to >>see if there's anybody building those modern dog-trot homes or those who >>get old homes and restore them etc. Also would like basic info on when >>dog-trot homes were first created etc. I also am interested in the >>Louisiana swamp homes built with cypress logs...heard that they are still >>built. You can see an excellent example of one in the movie "Old Man >>River". They also show my breed of dog (Louisiana Leopard Catahoula!) >>Does anyone know anything about both styles of houses?? I really would >>like to know. Also any www pages that are related to those as well. >>Thank you for any help that you are able to provide. >> >>Ted >> >> ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ******** "Eat with gusto and enthusiasm" ******** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:06:59 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Log homes and such Henry, A Catahoula is one of the original American bred hunting dogs. They are said to be a cross of the Spanish war dogs (mastiff and greyhound) with the red wolf. After Spanish explorers were defeated in battle by the local (Louisiana) Indians, some of the war dogs were captured and cross bred. The result is the Catahoula Leopard Cur. They are said to be one of the finest hunting and just all around dogs you can get and very authentic to our chosen time periods. There are several breeders of these in Texas, so you can probably see one locally. You can also get to several websites about them by just doing a search thru your favorite engine. Just type in catahoula curs and step back! Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:15:55 -0800 From: Richard Spencer Subject: MtMan-List: Friction Fire Making Hello the camp? (wouldn't Bridger have loved to have EMail) I have been following this list for about a month. My real interest is in primative fire making. Since matches were not invented until around 1830 and were not widely available until after 1850, I'm sure that many of you pay as much attention to period details in fire making as you do to the other areas I have read of on this list. My question is what is known in your circles about primative fire making, particularly friction fire making? What materials are best for the fire board, drill rod, etc? What material did the Mt. Men use to make char cloth? I would also ask for those who practice friction fire making (those who can produce FLAMES not just smoke)to share their secrets. I look forward to hearing what insight you, as a group, can give me. Richard Spencer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:12:11 From: Carlson Wagonlit Travel Subject: MtMan-List: FCC > I just got off the phone with the FCC in Washington. The information >about the phone companies wanting to charge a per minute rate for >internet users is a fact. > The lady I spoke with ,at the FCC, said that "We need to call our >Congressmen to make our feelings known on this subject". She said "We" I >guess she is on-line also. > The last date for reply to the FCC is 13 February 1998. Do not just >contact one of the above contact all. This is one more hit at our "Right >to communicate." > Also contact your ISP and make sure they know about this. I called >mine and talked to a young guy that is supposed to know what is going >on. His response? "The phone companies won't do it." To me that >statement "Always" mean they will do it. You may want to call your phone >company and tell them you are not going to allow them to do this. > You can call the FCC yourselves at:1-888-callfcc, you can also go to >the FCC Website at:WWW.FCC.Gov. Expect to be waiting awhile on the >phone, they are getting many calls on this. > This is not a flint/cap or in-line issue. Everyone of the 300+ on the >list are computer/phone line users. So there is "NO" excuss for not >making a few phone calls or even writing a letter. It is easier to stop >a law before the fact than having it struck down after. Become active >folks not re-active after the fact. > > >This is to inform you of a very important matter currently under >>review by the FCC. >>Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC >>to impose per minute charges for your internet service. They >>contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the >>telephone network. It is my belief that internet usage will diminish >>if users were required to pay additional per minute charges. >>The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses >>must be received by February 13, 1998. Send your comments to >> isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you think. Every phone company >>is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it in just under the >>wire for litigation. Let everyone you know here this one. Get the >>e-mail address to everyone you can think of. >> >>isp@fcc.gov<-------FCC e-mail >-- > >Matt Mitchell Carlson Wagonlit Travel / Travel Agents International 1420 South Blaine St. Ste. 5 Moscow, ID. 83843 208-882-7667 208-882-2870 fax http://www1.turbonet.com/tai http://www.enquest.com ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #8 ***************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.