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back in the mid 80's held some type of nationals near the Grand Coolie Dam
in eastern Washington they call it Old Dusty but the deer flies and
mosquitoes were real bad. So my son Pete rubbed garlic cloves on our skin
and the bugs stayed away. Later Jon T
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: Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 8:43 AM
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: Angela,
:
: I have on occasions used the silk hankerchief I ware around my neck to
lay
: over my face when mosquitos have become unbearable at night. It works to
some
: degree but the critters have little problem "biting" right through it if
they
: so choose. I suspect the silk hankerchiefs worn by the old ones were
used for
: similiar things.
:
: John Funk
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back in the mid 80's held some type of =
nationals near the Grand Coolie Dam in eastern Washington they call it =
Old Dusty but the deer flies and mosquitoes were real bad. So my =
son Pete rubbed garlic cloves on our skin and the bugs stayed away. =
Later Jon T
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To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
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discussion?
: Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 8:43 AM
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: =
Angela,
:
: I have on occasions used the silk hankerchief I =
ware around my neck to lay
: over my face when mosquitos have become =
unbearable at night. It works to some
: degree but the critters =
have little problem "biting" right through it if they
: so =
choose. I suspect the silk hankerchiefs worn by the old ones were =
used for
: similiar things.
:
: John Funk
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:59:38 -0600
From: SAGERIDER1
Subject: MtMan-List: HIGH PLAINS
kat wrote:
>
> I am not bad mouthing Panther by any stretch. They have a wonderful
> catalog. However -- I tried on two different occasions to order lodges from
> them. Very basic off the shelf pieces. I was told a minimum of 16 WEEKS
> before they could ship the first time, and a minimum of 12 WEEKS the second
> time I tried to order from them. I then went to RK Lodges. I personally
> have 3 of them. They have excellent workmanship and prices. I haven't had
> to wait more than 7 or 10 DAYS to have the tent in my hands. They are the
> first people I try and deal with.
>
> Kat Hargus
> Owner, Making Time
> www.makingtime.com
>
> Name: WINMAIL.DAT
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HELLO EVERYONE!!
I am the booshway for the 1998 High Plains Regional Rendezvous being
held in Brainerd, MN this summer. I would like to invite all of you and
your families to this 1st ever event for MN!! Please check out the High
Plains web page at:
http://pages.prodigy.com/cedarcreekoutfitters/hp1998.htm
I hope to see you all there.........
Little Crow
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:38:45 EST
From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart)
Subject: [none]
Mr Newbill,
Your e-mail name didn't work. Could you try to e-mail me direct?
Thanks.
Ted
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:32:14 -0500
From: darlene
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi
maybe you can do all this with a pryamid type type tent,but i do not know
of any documentation that this is period correct.i do not thinkthey are &
besides i think they look like crap ( only my opinion) my family has been
doing the rendezvouing for the past 15 years & as of this day no one has
been able to document these lodges to my knoledge.
this is the first time i have responded to anything on this site & if i
step on any toes shoot me at a vou.we have had several different types of
lodges from a 10x10 lean to to now a 15x21 marque which is now just my wife
& i.
if ya ever get to the eastern locate a brother of ivory mountain & ask
where shootshimself is camped & then come look me up,& i might offer ya a
cold 1.
shootshimselfAt 06:59 PM 2/9/98 PST, you wrote:
>Before you buy a tipi look at a medium sized tallboy pryamid tent. You
>can put it up with one pole in the center, two poles outside set up as
>shears or with no poles at all by tying it to a convenient overhanging
>limb. Plus you can actually transport one in a small car. You might stuff
>a tipi cover, liner and ozan into a small car but I want to see where you
>carry a couple of dozen poles. Good luck, one way or the other.
>
>Lanney Ratcliff
>rat@htcomp.net
>-------
>> Hoy, the net!
>>
>> I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this here
>> pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more...
>>
>> My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am
>afraid I
>> have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all the
>> fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two
>camp
>> outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We
>don't
>> have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are my
>> questions:
>>
>> What are the best tipis at a good price?
>>
>> How can we move them around with a small car?
>>
>> And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER
>PESTS?
>>
>> Your advice is appreciated as usual.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John Fleming
>> Detroit, Michigan
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:44:41 -0500
From: darlene
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson
At 11:34 AM 2/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
hello the camp
there are several types of this fungus that grow,here in central ohio we
have what is known as shelf fungus & it works great fot touch wood,also
punky type oak or maple work great for this also.just remember to char it
out doors as it really stinks when charring.
shootshimself
>Gary,
>
>Touchwood is a gray to gray/brown horseshoe shaped fungus that grows
>on the side of trees. I've mostly found it on old maple or oak. You
>char it as you would cloth. It holds a spark much longer and hotter
>than anything else I've seen.
>
>
>Your most humble servant,
>Scott Allen
>Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
>Fairplay, MD
>http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:58:04 -0800
From: tigrbo1
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snowshoes
Todd and Debbi Wraga wrote:
>
> I came across this email and am wondering if you might be able to help
> me out. A friend of mines daughter wants to make a pair of snowshoes,
> however we are having a difficult time finding any patterns or
> instructions. I was wondering if you might be able to forward on any
> information.
>
> 802-362-0967 Fax
> Debbi Wraga
> RR 1 Box 2129
> Pawlet, VT 05761
Greetings Todd & Debbi
The Complete How-To Book Of Indiancraft by W. Ben Hunt has info on some
different types of snowshoes on pages 124-127. If you are unable to find
the book, I'll be glad to copy the pages and send them to you.
Best regards,
Terry Smith
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:58:36 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson
by the MSG that you were writing i think i must have missed something in
the translation.
if you are trying to make char cloth then it is quite simple. the only
real problem is that you must use pure cotton or linnon. best method
that i have found is to use a percussion cap box if you only want to make
a small amount or a metal bandade box if you want a larger amount.
best materials that i have found are old tea shirts, old towels, or old
automotive grease rags. whatever you are using it must be clean. cut it
into squares and pack in the metal container not over tight. the contaner
should have a hole in it from a small finishing nail. place the
container in the coles of your fire or in a barbicue pit. let it cook
until it stops smokeing then take it out of the fire. plug the hole and
let cool(CAUTION) dont open for at least 1 hr). the cloth should be very
dark almost like charecole with it totally black. do not put your
fingers on the char prior to using. only take out what you need and
close up the contaner when not in use. i normally plug the vent hole so
that it will not draw moisture.
the best nest i have found is made from fine hemp thread totally
unraveled and rolled in your hands to make it bunch up. it will ignite
better if you put it in the oven and cook it for a while to get the
moisture out of it. then place it in a bandaid box .
i have built a many of a blaze in less than 10 seconds using this method.
you must also have a good rock and a good steel-- i guard mine with my
life and they are always in my shooting bag in my firebox. i always
think one strike and one blow. when making my fires.
"Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida 34684
1-(813) 771-1815
e-mail:hawknest4@juno.com
On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:11:25 -0600 Jim Lindberg writes:
>Scott Allen wrote:
>
>>
>> Sounds like you may have charred it too long.I gather this stuff
>when
>> it is small and have never sliced it, just threw it in my char tin
>> along with any punkwood or cloth to char. Never had a problem. Watch
>> your tin for flame and put it out immediately if flames are coming
>> out the air hole. Watch for puffs of smoke indicating it is done,
>> pull out of the fire, plug the hole, and let sit until cool enough
>to
>> handle barehanded. This will insure you don't open it too quickly
>and
>> cause the char to burn up.
>>
>> Your most humble servant,
>> Scott Allen
>> Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
>> Fairplay, MD
>> http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT
>
>When starting a fire, would you use a whole "small" shelve mushroom
>(that's what I call them)?
>
>Jim
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:45:38 -0500
From: "Scott Allen"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson
Jim wrote:
When starting a fire, would you use a whole "small" shelve mushroom
(that's what I call them)?
Jim,
I don't know if these are the same as your standard "shelf fungus".
They are very small and yes, I use the whole thing. I usually have
several in my tin and just strike spark into it (flint downward to
steel instead of vice versa) until I get a glow on one. I take that
one out and close the lid tightly to extinguish any others in the
tin. From there it is just like using char cloth except you get a
better and hotter coal from touchwood. Good luck!
Your most humble servant,
Scott Allen
Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
Fairplay, MD
http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:24:57 -0500
From: "Scott Allen"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson
Michael wrote:
by the MSG that you were writing i think i must have missed something in
the translation.
if you are trying to make char cloth then it is quite simple.
Michael,
Yes you did miss alittle. We were discussing alternatives to char
cloth. Most of us are under the opinion that they didn't carry cloth
to char, but used natural materials. Touchwood is one of the best
I've found and there are many references to it in hisorical
documents.
Your most humble servant,
Scott Allen
Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
Fairplay, MD
http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:02:49 -0800
From: Richard Spencer
Subject: MtMan-List: Char Cloth
Hello the List,
There have been several messages concerning the best material for char
cloth. It's important to note that all natural fiber fabric
manufacturered in the U.S. is treated with a fire retardant by law. This
fire retardant also makes your char harder to light. My favorite is raw
cotton right off the plant, seeds and all. It will catch the smallest
spark and burn better and hotter than any material I have ever seen. NO
ONE who has used it has ever gone back to what they used before.
Richard Spencer
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:28:21 -0600 (CST)
From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Char Cloth
>Hello the List,
>
>There have been several messages concerning the best material for char
>cloth. It's important to note that all natural fiber fabric
>manufacturered in the U.S. is treated with a fire retardant by law. This
>fire retardant also makes your char harder to light. My favorite is raw
>cotton right off the plant, seeds and all. It will catch the smallest
>spark and burn better and hotter than any material I have ever seen. NO
>ONE who has used it has ever gone back to what they used before.
>
>Richard Spencer
I've been using unbleached muslin from the cloth store for years. By
definition it is 100% cotton. I don't think it's treated. Even if it is,
it still makes a great charcloth. It's also very cheap, at a couple o'
bucks for a 60" yard. That'll keep you in charcloth for quite a spell.
Since this is cotton country, the raw stuff is easy to get. Just drive
down the road during the harvest and it's all over the place. It spills
out of the trucks because they pack it VERY full. The best time to get it
is October. That's peak harvest time around here, and the gins are running
24-7.
HBC
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:02:37 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson
thanks for your input i guess i was a wondering child in the wilderness I
do agree with you. I have made and used touchwood several times it works
super, but i have never called it touchwood only char. I have read about
touchwood in several journels but have always considered it as basic
char, and i have used many different things to catch the spark and start
a fire i guess from my ignorance. on one ocasionin the military i even
used steel wool and a spark to get a fire started.
when i was a kid there was an old man that came from oregon that setteled
in my home town and was probably the first person that i ever saw that
shot a muzzleloader and he always carried a fire box in his shooting bag.
He never carried matches . he made his char from this moss groath that i
speak of but never used the term touchwood. he was able to start a fire
in almost any weather and that is who i learned from. when i knew him
he was in his 80's and that was around 1950. he always carried a bunch
of hemp tow which grew wild on his place and used that for his nest and
to clean his rifle with. we got to be very good friends and he and i
hunted and fished a lot together . i have never forgot a lot of the
woods smarts lessons the man gave me. these lessons helped me a lot when
i was in the military.
He gave me one of his rifles which i still have today, and it still
shoots as true as the day he gave it to me. I guess in different parts
of the country there are many things that you can make char or touchwood
from. i was raised in arkansas and there is a moss groath that i have
used that works quite well. you still have to chare it in the same way as
charcloth to get it to work well. it has been my experience that yes it
will be a hotter starter but seems a little more difficult to get to
catch the spark.
thanks for your return comments
keep your nose to the wind and your eyes along the skyline.
"Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida 34684
1-(813) 771-1815
On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:24:57 -0500 "Scott Allen"
writes:
>Michael wrote:
>by the MSG that you were writing i think i must have missed something
>in
>the translation.
>
>if you are trying to make char cloth then it is quite simple.
>
>Michael,
>
>Yes you did miss alittle. We were discussing alternatives to char
>cloth. Most of us are under the opinion that they didn't carry cloth
>to char, but used natural materials. Touchwood is one of the best
>I've found and there are many references to it in hisorical
>documents.
>
>
>Your most humble servant,
>Scott Allen
>Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick
>Fairplay, MD
>http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 17:57:47 PST
From: "Lanney Ratcliff"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi
In my 1910 copy of Francis Parkman's book "The Oregon Trail" Parkman
describes the pyramid tent he took to the mountains in 1846. That was good
enough for me. You also might request a back copy of the spring 1980 issue
of the Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly and read "Some Notes on Tents of
the Western Fur Trade" written by Charles Hanson. If I run across more
information I will forward it. This tent style is commonly held to be
authentic but if you don't like their looks then it is probably not for
you. I also thought they looked like crap until I saw a tent with an extra
tall peak. The looks were improved and the actual living space inside was
much better. I am six feet six inches tall and the increased living space
was a major consederation for me. Plus, they can be put up in a fraction
of the time required of other tents. I applaud your interest in
autheticity and wish those who use Bakers and Whelens shared your need to
be "right". Too many rendezvous tend to be nothing more that halloween
weenie roasts, anyway.
Lanney Ratcliff
rat@htcomp.net
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> maybe you can do all this with a pryamid type type tent,but i do not know
> of any documentation that this is period correct.i do not thinkthey are &
> besides i think they look like crap ( only my opinion) my family has been
> doing the rendezvouing for the past 15 years & as of this day no one has
> been able to document these lodges to my knoledge.
>
> this is the first time i have responded to anything on this site & if i
> step on any toes shoot me at a vou.we have had several different types of
> lodges from a 10x10 lean to to now a 15x21 marque which is now just my
wife
> & i.
>
> if ya ever get to the eastern locate a brother of ivory mountain & ask
> where shootshimself is camped & then come look me up,& i might offer ya a
> cold 1.
>
> shootshimselfAt 06:59 PM 2/9/98 PST, you wrote:
> >Before you buy a tipi look at a medium sized tallboy pryamid tent. You
> >can put it up with one pole in the center, two poles outside set up as
> >shears or with no poles at all by tying it to a convenient overhanging
> >limb. Plus you can actually transport one in a small car. You might
stuff
> >a tipi cover, liner and ozan into a small car but I want to see where you
> >carry a couple of dozen poles. Good luck, one way or the other.
> >
> >Lanney Ratcliff
> >rat@htcomp.net
> >-------
> >> Hoy, the net!
> >>
> >> I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this
here
> >> pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more...
> >>
> >> My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am
> >afraid I
> >> have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all
the
> >> fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two
> >camp
> >> outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We
> >don't
> >> have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are
my
> >> questions:
> >>
> >> What are the best tipis at a good price?
> >>
> >> How can we move them around with a small car?
> >>
> >> And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER
> >PESTS?
> >>
> >> Your advice is appreciated as usual.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> John Fleming
> >> Detroit, Michigan
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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