From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #35 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, March 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 035 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:52:05 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: keelboat from st.charles mo. yes vernon is getting very gray hared him and evelin have moved to bauluxia miss. he is doing a lit of wood carving but not many guns as he did. he is getting quite old but still has a lot of tallent. his AMM # is around 150's. terry has kind of dropped off the face of the map bought some land in south central mo. and i dont know where. havent seen him in about 2 or 3 years. My second AMM doins was the first annual goat and pig shoot put on by dale Black and pappy horn. we used the oka valley land and held our doins. the contest was a trial for even a real mountain man. it consisted of about 15 shots, set a trap in a running stream, and all the targets you had to find yourself. most of them were moving that were released by one of the guides that went with you. you had to follow sign through the woods and figure where they were and what to do. It was a hel of a lot of fun. I think i only found 10 of the targets and killed them all the rest i have no idea where they were. dale was my scorkeeper and wouldnt tell me anything. for the tommahawk there was a target on the back of the block that you had to hit. not on the front. the front of the block has your knife target. Orval Humphry was the oficial at the knife and hawk part of the match. the tommahawk matches at friendship are named after him. he taught me the art of plain and fancy tommahawk throwing. I spent many hrs with him and lost a lot of handles in the process. this has sure gotten off the keel boat stuff that we started with. must close for now got a order for a bunch of turkey calls that have to be made and shipped. "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:27:55 EST Traphand writes: >HAWK,ITHINK I MAY KNOW TERRY MURPHY IT RINGS A BELL,IS VEMON AN OLD >GUY WITH >WHITE HAIR AN THIN AROUND IN HIS 60S.I ALSO USED TO BE IN THE AMM >UNTIL >PROBLEMS IN THE PARTY.NOW WE TRAK WITH A LOT OF EX MUNBERS. GOT ONE >IN THE >WORKS THIS COMING APRIL.YOUR NUMBER IS A EARLY ONE.MINE WAS 1205IN 88 >THE >CLERK E >WAS LARRY MAYES. GOD IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SURE FLYS BY FAST. >I RECALL THE FIRST AMM DOING I WENT IN OHIO BAD TIMEAND PLACE IT WAS >LIKE >CAMPING AT A K.O.A. MEET ALOT GOOD SOULS.LAST ONE I WENT TO WAS IN >SOUTHERN >MISSOURI A FEW YEAR BACK HAD ONE GREAT TIME SHOOTING AND >TRAPPING.RECALL >GOING TO LITTLE ROCK THEY HAD A DUGOUTDOWN THERE/HAVE YOU EVER USED >ONE SURE >SAT LOW IN THE WATER.GOT TO RUN. KEEP IN TOUCH. > > TRAPHAND > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:38:37 EST From: JFLEMYTH Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Laurel Mountain Forge browning solution I got my Laurel Mountain at "Ye Old Blackpowder Shoppe" here in Michigan. (They also do mail order.) IT is a few hours drive from my house, so I have only been there that one time, but I sure was impressed. There address is: Ye Old Blackpowder Shoppe P.O. Box 14 994 W. Midland Road Auburn, Michigan 48611 (517) 662-2271 There catalog is four dollars and has more than 120 pages of goods. They also have some custom front stuffers that are not included in the catalog. If you want the Laurel Mountain Forge solution, it's $6.75. It's inventory # is 26-24. It's on page 62 of their 8th edition catalog. That should be all you need to get it. I would reccomend getting their catalog too. It's not the best I've seen, but it's up there. John Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:07:06 EST From: JSeminerio Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mississippi/Louisiana Sites out in Villcherie about 45 minutes on the far side of the airport is the Laura Plantation. We went this year during Mardi Gras week. It was real nice. Get a book called Louisiana Day Ride, it has day trips 1, 2, 3 & 4 hours from New Orleans. We go every year at least once. Feel free to E-mail me. If you go eat at Spuddy's it ain't fancy but the food is gooooooood ! Watch your topknot JS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:56:21 EST From: ITWHEELER Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Whiskey in the Fur Trade i enjoy your tid bits of information ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:25:09 -0600 From: Glenn Darilek Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip Addison O. Miller wrote: > > I am taking a FANTASTIC trip this summer (August)to Nebraska and the > Dakotas. ... Anyone got any other points of > interest in Nebraska and the Dakotas to see with regards to the Fur Trade?? Depends on how much of those territories you would like to traverse, but there's Fort Union (other end of N. Dakota, and the site is actually partly in Montana); Reconstruction of Fort Mandan, N. of Bismarck, where Lewis & Clark spent there first winter (the original site washed away when the Wide Missouri changed it's mind; Site of Fort Clark, a fur trading post, N. of Bismarck (hardly anything left, but a good place to reflect); and the Mandan- Hidatsa Villages ( I think they now call it three knives or something like that. The last three sites are close to each other. Are you driving from FL? If you are coming thru Kansas City, see the Arabia riverboat museum where they dug up a 1946? sunken riverboat. But don't drool like I did at the tons of actual period stuff they salvaged. And the cemetary where Jim Bridger is buried (near Independence) And in St. Louis, the Gateway Museum is relatively school-childish, but has some good stuff. Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:35:59 -0600 From: Glenn Darilek Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gardens Longwalker wrote: > bottle gourd seeds I found that http://www.seedman.com/Rachel/Gourds.htm has bottle gourd seeds and other gourd seeds. Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 17:13:45 +0000 From: Longtrail Subject: MtMan-List: fabric reproductions 1775-1950 Found a site that specializes in reproduction fabrics. Really beautiful. http://www.patchworks-usa.com Happy sewing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:51:34 EST From: Traphand Subject: Re: MtMan-List: keelboat from st.charles mo. do you know what happened to paddy horn have not seen him in a few years.did a photo shoot of the harper ferry rilfe that is in muzzeloader 2 book of. paddy put two small nail in the wall to hold the rilfe up. i took one photo before the rilfe fall to the floor.it creaked the wrist right in back on the breech. glad i did not do the nailing.about this time john the owner of the gun had himself a good scream.yes it is a far cry from the keelboat good by my friend traphand P.S. IT ODD WHO WE BOTH KNOW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:51:41 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Whiskey in the Fur Trade mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) wrote: >Angela, are you familiar with Jack Gladstone's song "Whoop Up Trail"? Jack >performed it at a museum conference I attended in Missoula last fall. He's >a Blackfoot living in Kalispell, and quite a balladeer. No; sounds like it's right up my alley though. Has he got a tape or CD? I'm always keen on folk/country singers with a taste for history. Canada seems to have a fair number of these folks, if you know where to find them : Great Western Orchestra, Tamarack, & of course the patron saint of Canadian folk, Stan Rogers. The Gladstones are a well-known family here in Alberta--James Gladstone was Alberta's first Native senator, about 30 years ago. > Thanks for >correcting me on the location of the fort. I am glad they've recreated it. >How is the reconstruction, pretty accurate or Disney-esque? Well, as I said, it's not my period, but it does look just like the historic photographs. Understaffed, of course, but I think it's probably worth a visit if you're in Lethbridge. (We'll be at Fort Whoop-up to give a talk & demo next month, so I can give you an update if you want.) The setting is excellent--it's down in a deep wide river valley, so that you can't see the city (although there is that HUGE train bridge traversing the valley). > Is the event worth going to? Whoops! Sorry, "Whoop-Up Days" isn't a reenactment event. Although I've never been, I understand that it is more like the Calgary Stampede--a big rodeo, fair & exhibition, with only a very small nod to history. The black powder guys down there have a big shoot on the Labour Day weekend, but I understand they don't have any serious reenactors down there. (I'd be quite happy to be proven wrong--I'm always looking to recruit.) Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:54:07 -0800 From: tigrbo1 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tripping to the N.W. Greetings Scott, I must concure with Steve on your article on Fort Frederick, I'd love to tour it. If you happen to find yourself in the Seattle area, I'm sure I could arrange a tour of Fort Nisqually. Best regards, Terry Smith SWcushing wrote: > > Scott, > I just finished reading your outstanding article on Fort Frederick in >this month's "Muzzleloader". It is on the top of my list of places to >visit when I get back east. I'll show you Fort Vancouver iffin you get >out this way. > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:07:27 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trip to Alabama Steve, Thanks so much for the kind words about my article. I'd be glad to show you around when you get back here and would be glad to see Ft. Vancouver too. I'm out at Ft. Lewis (Seattle) every once in awhile so could probably swing a tour there. See ya! Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:11:20 +0100 From: mstar176@wf.net (Basha Richey) Subject: MtMan-List: Sack hats Longtrail, Nice link for reproduction fabrics. Patchworks, is going on my favorite list. I was particularly intrested in the indigo material. Wes Housler had a nice period piece at the RMNR last year in Montana. It was a cap made from a scrap of wool, essentially a bag with exagerated corners (to resemble ears) with one side cut out for his face. There are many examples in Alfred Jacob Millers artwork of this type of headgear. The one that comes to mind, is the oil painting of the "Trappers Bride". Two of the trappers in the background are wearing "sacks". It seems to me, that if you didn't have a hat, that one of these simple creations would be a good substitute. Miller also shows hunters using them to approach game, on all-fours, as camoflodge. In the AJM painting titled "Trappers and horses around a fire" used as an illustration in Ruxtons "Life In The Far West"(edited by Hafen) is a trapper wearing a "sack" made with a checked or crossed, striped pattern. Since the bags were made out of anything that was available (my opinion) then a piece if the woven Indigo from patchworks might be a nice piece of material for a reproduction of that trappers "Sky Piece". I believe Paul Mueller said in a recent link, that hoods were not attached to capotes, rather were buttoned or tied on. Am I wrong about the "sacks" or were they hoods for Capotes? Miller's paintings have few, if any capotes, but it was summertime. If anybody would like to shed light on the origins of the "sacks", I would be glad to hear it. John Richey "Yellow Stone" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:43:28 -0600 From: "Pamela Wheeler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tripping to the N.W. This is starting to sound so good that I may run away from home and tag along behind Scott! Oh for the good old days when we could just say to heck with it and run off to the mountains! Did I hear someone say something about the Museum of the Fur Trade in Chadron being sold? If so, does anyone know where it will be moved to? We stopped off there in 1975 after the Henry's Fork rendezvous. Do they still publish a bulletin? YellowFeather AMM 251 - ---------- > From: tigrbo1 > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tripping to the N.W. > Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 11:54 PM > > Greetings Scott, > > I must concure with Steve on your article on Fort Frederick, I'd love > to tour it. If you happen to find yourself in the Seattle area, I'm sure > I could arrange a tour of Fort Nisqually. > > Best regards, > > Terry Smith > > > SWcushing wrote: > > > > Scott, > > I just finished reading your outstanding article on Fort Frederick in >this month's "Muzzleloader". It is on the top of my list of places to >visit when I get back east. I'll show you Fort Vancouver iffin you get >out this way. > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:39:04 -0600 From: "Pamela Wheeler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fabric reproductions 1775-1950 Really super fabrics! Thanks for the info. YellowFeather - ---------- > From: Longtrail > To: hist_text@xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: fabric reproductions 1775-1950 > Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 11:13 AM > > Found a site that specializes in reproduction fabrics. Really > beautiful. http://www.patchworks-usa.com > Happy sewing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:07:22 -0500 From: Schaaf Dick Subject: RE: MtMan-List: August trip Jim, you hit most of the best; I'd add Ft Hartsuff to the list. It's not quite fur trade period, but it's good! The state parks should be on the web, and they do offer quite a bit - Like ft Atkinson, Ft Robinson, and Ft hHartsuff. Jim, I spend a good bit of time around Burwell and Brewster in the sandhills. One of these days we'll have to link up. Dick > ---------- > From: Jim Colburn > Well, Fort Atkinson would be one good point to stop at, as > would the > Joslyn Museum, the Nebraska State Historical Society Museum, Morrill > Hall, > Stuhr Museum, > that-museum-at-Hastings-that-I-always-forget-the-name-of, > maybe a side trip to the Lewis and Clark site in IA, a day kicking > around > the Pine Ridge or hiking near Scott's Bluff, Fort Robinson.... > LongWalker c du B. (and tourist guide) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:39:21 EST From: LODGEPOLE Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip In a message dated 98-03-08 17:47:30 EST, you write: << And in St. Louis, the Gateway Museum is relatively school-childish, but has some good stuff. >> Just pass on that and go to the Museum of History. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:42:50 EST From: LODGEPOLE Subject: MtMan-List: Pappy Horn Last time I saw Pappy was about 4 years ago at the trade show in Effingham, Ill. Heard he was at Fort De Chartres last year but didn't see him. Effingham is the end of the month and maybe he will be set up there again. I'll let you know if I see him there. Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:27:15 -0600 From: Glenn Darilek Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sack hats John Richey wrote: > Wes Housler had a nice period piece at the RMNR last year in Montana. > It was a cap made from a scrap of wool, essentially a bag with exagerated > corners (to resemble ears) with one side cut out for his face. There are > many examples in Alfred Jacob Millers artwork of this type of headgear. . . . If anybody would like to shed light on > the origins of the "sacks", I would be glad to hear it. In Miller's notes for "Approaching the Buffalo" he writes: "The Hunters form for themselves a peculiar kind of cap, - it has two ears with a flap reaching the shoulders. - This is worn with a double object in view, - one of which is to deceive the buffalo in approaching; - - under such guise the Hunter is mistaken by the animal for a wolf, & is suffered to advance quite near. - The mop of hair covering the fore-head of teh Buffalo obscures his sight & aids the trapper in his deception." (Editorializing and opinion starts here) In spite of being such a well-documented type of headgear, I have never seen one at any rendezvous I have ever attended. But you see plenty of animal-skin with head headdresses, which might be difficult to document. Sounds like the wolf-ear cap is an excellent candidate for a very worthwhile project. Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:48:40 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip >In a message dated 98-03-08 17:47:30 EST, you write: > ><< And in St. Louis, the Gateway Museum is relatively school-childish, but > has some good stuff. >> >Just pass on that and go to the Museum of History. I beg to differ. You might call ahead, talk to a curator, and make an appointment to see some of the collections (which are first-rate) Sometimes all it takes is a phone call. It helps to do a bit of background reading on the subject before you make your call. Be as specific as possible about what you wish to see, such as strikers, firearms (be specific), lighting devices, or clothing. If there's anything we curators despise is someone who "just wants to look." That won't even get you in the door. On the other hand, if you have a genuine interest in the material culture (objects) of the fur trade, the curator should be more than happy to show you around. Show that you are really interested in the subject and have a deep reverence (respect) for the material culture. We do really enjoy that, as long as you have a genuine interest, and can follow rules. The two biggies are 1. no touching without permission, and 2. don't go anywhere in the collection without staff escort. Curators might allow you to touch, but for most things white cotton or clear vinyl gloves are standard issue. Follow the rules, and you'll find there's nothing we like more than visitors with similar interests who can talk shop. It helps to pass the day, and usually helps us in our understanding of the period as well. The buzzword we use is "resource sharing." For more on this, see *BoBS vol. IV, p. 213, and BoBS vol V, p. 151. Have a good time. Cheers, HBC *Book of Buckskinning ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ********** Opening Day, March 31!!! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:20:10 -0500 From: kat Subject: RE: MtMan-List: August trip There is also the Missouri Historical Society Library and Research Center on Skinker in downtown St. Louis. 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If you're in the area anyway, it's really worthwhile to scan what is available. They do have a pretty good booklist too. But they actually charge you for it! Still, it's worthwhile. Dick > ---------- > From: LODGEPOLE[SMTP:LODGEPOLE@aol.com] > Reply To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 6:39 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip > > In a message dated 98-03-08 17:47:30 EST, you write: > > << And in St. Louis, the Gateway Museum is relatively school-childish, > but > has some good stuff. >> > Just pass on that and go to the Museum of History. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:20:53 -0500 From: sean@naplesnet.com (Addison O. Miller) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip I am getting a STACK of printed stuff, and my route for the trip is starting to look like a free trapper comin back from the traders tent with a pot full o' spirits... Been to St Louis Gateway Museum several years ago, and loved it. Want to go again. Concentrating this time on ND, SD, Nebraska, and whats there. Definately going to Musueum of the Fur Trade, Mt. Rushmore , the Platte River where they split N and S... etc... Want some time by myself just to sit and reflect on the past and meditate. Sure wish the stones and the river could talk... My gods, the stories they could tell!! Since they can't, looks like we have to do it for them by keeping the traditions alive, and passing on the information. Off the subject, but I am reading a great book... "Lies My Teacher Told Me". I'll post the full infor later... book at home... I am at the office. It shows how history has been re-written to be politically correct, and is no where NEAR whatI was taught in school 35 years ago. Kinda makes ya wanna puke its so fanarkey now. I wonder how many times that was done even before I was in school... Anyway, thank you all SO much for the responses. And please, don't stop just because I said thank you.. Wantto see as much as I can in the 2 weeks I will be out there... Addison Miller aka SeanBear PS: Anyone at the NMLRA SE Ronny in Tallahassee in April, please look us up. Look for the tent with the sign "Mouse's House" in front of it... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:50:09 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip >I am getting a STACK of printed stuff, and my route for the trip is starting >to look like a free trapper comin back from the traders tent with a pot full >o' spirits... Been to St Louis Gateway Museum several years ago, and >loved it. Want to go again. Concentrating this time on ND, SD, Nebraska, >and whats there. Definately going to Musueum of the Fur Trade, Mt. Rushmore >, the Platte River where they split N and S... etc... Get Greg Franzwa's _Oregon Trail Revisited_ and the companion _Maps of the Oregon Trail_ to take with you. The trailside gravesites are particularly poingnant. The desolation and emensity of the land in places are quite extraordinary. Happy trails, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ********** Opening Day, March 31!!! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:52:24 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip Maybe someone can confirm or deny something I heard long ago. Rumor has it that the last existing, genuine, Fur Trade Warehouse in the world was torn down to build the Gateway arch. True or no? John.. P.S. To visit Mt. Rushmore approach from the South. A more scenic & pleasant drive than crawling through the carnival snake charmers lining the highway out of Rapid City. John T. Kramer, maker of: Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< - >>>As good as old!<<< http://www.kramerize.com/ mail to: john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:33:39 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: St Louis warehouse district (August trip) >Maybe someone can confirm or deny something I heard long ago. > >Rumor has it that the last existing, genuine, Fur Trade Warehouse in the >world was torn down to build the Gateway arch. I think the story goes that the warehouse district along the riverfront was torn down and replaced with the park, arch and museum. Also, that the look of the warehouse dist. had changed so dramatically by then that it bore little resemblance to that of fur trade days, and many of the buildings had become firetraps. That's the story I get. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ********** Opening Day, March 31!!! ********** ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #35 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.