From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #42 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, March 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 042 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 03:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Camp Gear, Tents & Cookware On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Mtnman1449 wrote: > Two things happen then: first, you get smarter and have > and begin to build an impressive library becoming incredibly smart like > Tippets, and second, without food to eat, you kid become less of an expense > and will hopefully learn to live off the land. Pat Surrena #1449 Pat A good idea on checking the back issues, Dean has a listing of the Quarterly at: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/mftq.html (it's printing out now... a leetle tiny for me old eyes though!) Getting smarter.... nah.... me lovely bride sez that's not the direction I generally move in :) As to the kids food money, if'n I could just get 'em to water the garden, feed the pigs and check the chickens on a somewhat consistent basis, instead of running a petting zoo, I could probably cut back on store bought food completey (except fer stuff that I caint grow on the side of an Idaho cliff), then I could afford some really important stuff like some new riding stock, or maybe even a new pair of spectacles Appreciate the info! Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:27:37 -0800 (PST) From: zaslow Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Old German Smoothbore Wet Shirt, I can't help you with restoring the smoothbore, but maybe can help you with the meaning of the "A's" on all the parts. I have an original 3rd model Brown Bess. It was shootable when I bought it, so it didn't have to be restored. Besides the usual Tower of London touch marks on the barrel and lock, it also has a very interesting mark carved into the stock, a Roman Numeral XVIII. At first, I thought it was a regiment mark or something like that, but about a year or so after aquiring it, Dave Conte and I took it apart to do some re-conditioning work. To our surprise we found that every part had the same XVIII carved in it. It was at that time we realized what it meant. This gun was made in 1792 or 1793. I was able to determine that from touch marks, the way the cock was made and comparing it to descriptions and pictures in a Brown Bess book that I have. Back then every gun was a custom made piece and they did not have assembly lines. In order to keep things straight, when they got the parts together to assemble a musket, they marked them with a common letter or number, so that if anything got mixed up, they would know which gun the part belonged to. It was just as simple as that. I think the "A" on every part is probably a way to keep the parts from getting mixed up with others being made at the same time. Also, is this smoothbore a military musket? If it is, that would make me believe even more what I have said since they made many military weapons at the same time. Also, to get on the Mountain Man list, just E-Mail Dean Rudy at drudy@xmission.com and tell him you want to be added to the list. Hope this helps. Best Regards, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 08:40 AM 3/20/98 -0600, you wrote: >Old fox, > How does one get on that muzzleloaders mailing list (MML) I am >surly interested. > A friend of mine is trying to restore an original smoothbore, it >is of possibly german origin, the only marks on it are as follows; >1.) directly in front of the hammer hole, on the lock plate is the name > D..NEPPES >The fist "E" in Neppes may be an "I" do to wear I'm not sure >2.) there are "A's" on the inside of the lock plate and on the heads of >most of the internal screws >These are the only clues >Any help would be appreciated >Many thanks >Wet Shirt #1645 >Aux Ailments de Pays! > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:48:06 -0500 From: "Pearce Gardner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: deer hides Longtrail asked about obtaining a supply of deer hides. Last summer, the Game Dept. gave a local landowner damage permits to kill a truck load of deer. Some of the farm hands took their rifles and each evening would shoot until the barrels overheated on their rifles and/or the deer all ran back into the woods, then would take and field dress the deer and put them in a refrigerated truck which "Hunters for the Hungry" donated. This went on until the truck was full. The truck then took the deer to a processing plant where they were butchered and the meat given to the hungry. You may want to check with Hunters for the Hungry to find out about the plans for this summer. Check out http://www.flash.net/~unicom/hungry/hungry1.htm for an index listing across the Country. Good luck. Bwana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 03:28:21 -0700 From: "David Tippets" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Deer hides & numbers Dear Forest, There's no question that lion numbers are up and no question that lions can kill and eat lots of deer. It's interesting how how quickly it has become a popular theme in Utah for hunters to blame lions for the drop in deer numbers. Last fall as we encountered discouraged hunters who weren't seeing deer where they used to see many, almost everyone of them attributed the downward trend to lions. It seems sad that so many hunters are seeing loss of winter habitat, but so few are connecting the downward trend in deer population loss of habitat. You mentioned Browns Park, which is in one of the most remote corners of the State, but even Browns Park has a new subdivision on what used to be undeveloped winter range. I was in Browns park in January during a light snowstorm scouting for a campsite near the location of the old Fort Davy Crocket. The first thing next morning houndsmen who lived in the subdivision were out driving all the back roads with their hounds in the backs of their pickups, hoping to cut a fresh cat track. They didn't appear to have any luck and were back in the subdivision by lunch. It occurs to me that if we preserve the habitat it's a win-win for all concerned -- the deer, the deer hunters, the lions, and the lion hunters. But if we invest all our energy casing the cats while the land developers are gobbling up all the winter range then we all lose, except for the developers. Those of us who love the land can patiently weather the ups and downs of predator and prey cycles, but once the habitat is converted to other uses; the deer, the lions, and generations of hunters not yet born all lose out. Last winter I trapped predators on one of Utah's State Game Ranges that has traditionally been thought of as about the best mountain lion habitat in the State. One night, a lion killed and partially ate a coyote that I'd caught in a snare. Other than that, I didn't see any lion sign all season, and saw probably over a hundred deer and elk carcasses that had been eaten up by coyotes and fox. Most of those carcasses were form animals that had starved too death wintering on sunny south facing slope that were cover with cheatgrass where once sagegrush, rabbit brush, bitterbrush, and other browse had once covered those same slopes. Point is, we may compete with mountain lions to make meat this year, but whether our grandchildren can make meat 30 years from now doesn't have nearly as much to do with lions as is it does with our willingness to conserve wildlife habitat that we still have left to preserve. In my mind, the current healthy lion populations have become a dangerous distraction from the much greater threat of habitat loss. Dave T. - -----Original Message----- From: Forrest Smouse To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 11:54 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Deer hides & numbers > > >Manywounds wrote: > >> Winter kill is the number one cause of deer population decreases >> and always has been. Severe cold weather or large amounts of snow >> staying on the ground for weeks covering up their food supply are the >> main reason for drops in deer counts. Road kill numbers can be high >> along with coyote predation. > >Here in eastern Utah our deer's worst predator is the lion. We have an over >population lions which the farmers are now having problems with. Two >Muzzle loader hunts ago while hunting in Browns Park I came upon a secluded >spot of large junipers. In this almost tunnel like spot my partner and I >found 30 yearling buck skeletons, all apparent lion kills. The Fish and >wildlife has finally upped the Lion harvest for this area. > >Forrest Smouse #1691 >LaPoint, Utah > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Swinehart Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Museum of the fur trade Would someone be so kind as to post the address for the Museum of the fur trade and membership costs? JS _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:11:04 EST From: SWcushing Subject: MtMan-List: "Black Iron Frying Pans" Henry, Spotted a couple nice "Black Iron" (heavy sheet metal?) frying pans in an antique store.....would these be acceptable for pre-1840? ..."Don't need no stinkin cast iron pans......." Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:00:45 EST From: SWcushing Subject: MtMan-List: Cannon Balls Hello the list, In a recent discussion of the fur trade, I mentioned that it was not uncommon for a large supply caravan headed to the spring rondy, to bring with them a field piece, (cannon) for protection and to impress the hell out of the locals. The question was raised......."did they have exploding cannon balls, or did they just shoot rocks and stuff?" Ah.....I dunno,...... and for that matter when and how did they make "exploding cannon balls?" Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:41:41 EST From: SWcushing Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Museum of the fur trade In a message dated 3/22/98 12:31:51 PM, you wrote: <> Museum of Fur Trade PO Box 1276 Chadron, NE 69337 Membership is $10 US or $13 Canadian & foreign......also get a list of back issues of the "Quarterly"....good stuff! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:37:49 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Museum of the fur trade Just happen to be writing a check out to join myself. Address is: The Museum of the Fur Trade 6321 Highway 20 Chadron, Nebraska 6937 Membership is $10 a year and includes free visitation and the Quarterly. Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue | \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:38:43 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Black Iron Frying Pans" >Henry, > >Spotted a couple nice "Black Iron" (heavy sheet metal?) frying pans in an >antique store.....would these be acceptable for pre-1840? ..."Don't need no >stinkin cast iron pans......." > >Steve Sheet iron was available. For the Rendezvous period, At least in this case, it's more a matter of styling than material. In the Southwest, sheet iron comales (griddles) were very common. Considering that you often see tipis at eastern gatherings (where, historically, they wouldn't be) black sheet iron frying pans shouldn't give you any trouble. The safe thing to do might be to make sure they don't have the insulated metal handles characteristic of late 19th century sheet iron pans. They should be as plain as possible. Some were made with with long handles, but there may have been some with shorter ones. Page 91 of Newmann and Kravic's _Collectors Encycl. of the American Revolution_ illustrates some sheet iron frying pans and spider-style pans used during the American Revolution. Such styles remained in common use through the middle years of the 19th century. Happy cooking! Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ********** Opening Day, March 31!!! ********** ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #42 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.