From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #93 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, June 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 093 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:20:51 -0700 From: "P. Amschler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy?? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. You need a MIME compliant mail reader to completely decode it. - --=_-=_-NLFKOFFMOBEPBAAA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 142 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TODAY HOO RAH Custer Died For Your Sins! - --- amschlers@mailcity.com Get your FREE, private e-mail account at http://www.mailcity.com - --=_-=_-NLFKOFFMOBEPBAAA Precedence: bulk Received: from SILL#u#TNGCMD-Message_Server by silltcmd-smtp.army.mil with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:26:59 -0500 Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com From: WIDD-Tim Austin (WIDD-Tim Austin) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:26:30 -0500 Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy?? X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Message-Id: To: hist_text@xmission.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego. Is it today or tomorrow that is the anniversary date for his biggest mistake? Know it is one of these days, 25 or 26 June. Just thought I would remind all on this most solemn of days. Tim Austin - --=_-=_-NLFKOFFMOBEPBAAA-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:43:53 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Patch Lube / BP Cleaner >In a message dated 98-06-24 19:25:14 EDT, you write: > ><< lahtirog@gte.net (Roger Lahti) >> >thanks capt did custer take a marching band with him on his campaingns. or >was some one pullin my leg. Yes, he did, as it was common 19th century military practice to do so, in the US and in Europe. The regimental band was very much a part of the unit in the field as it was in garrison. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:03:38 -0700 From: Longtrail Subject: MtMan-List: gary owen town of >In a message dated 98-06-24 22:55:11 EDT, you write: > ><< GHickman@aol.com >> >ben all over that country an cant rember that town - absorkie -red lodge- >colestrip-miles city-dont recall gary owen though. iron tounge Its on the Crow Res, about half way between the N. and S. borders of. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:55:04 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy?? >Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego. Is it today or tomorrow that is the >anniversary date for his biggest mistake? Know it is one of these days, >25 or 26 June. Just thought I would remind all on this most solemn of >days. > >Tim Austin June 25, 1876 ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:26:47 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: MtMan-List: Re:Gary Owen and Custers Last! Iron Tongue' You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard any stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my first thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know for sure. I've got a buddy, John 'Digger' Pollack that just loves that tune and will give anything to hear someone whistle it or play it on a tin whistle. I can whistle it faster than I can play it! By the by , for all of you that contributed to my further elucidation and edification concerning the fine points of the care and feeding of cap and ball revolvers, my profuse thanks. The information provided will cause me to re-evaluate the way I load my pistolas and will send me shopping for some much larger round balls to use. I concede that poor nipple/cap conditions can cause a chain fire, and I also realize that greasing the front of each chamber isn't needed to prevent chain fires if the right size ball/bullet is used. I will continue with the caps I am presently using and use a larger size ball that is prelubed with something like bee's wax and see how that works for ease of use and accuracy. This will be my final say on the subject and I look forward to discussions of an earlier era! YMOS Capt. Lahti' ITWHEELER@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-06-24 19:25:14 EDT, you write: > > << lahtirog@gte.net (Roger Lahti) >> > thanks capt did custer take a marching band with him on his campaingns. or > was some one pullin my leg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:41:12 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: off line Yellowfeather, Hope it isn't anything too serious. Good luck. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:17:42 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Gary Owen and Custers Last! >Iron Tongue' > >You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard any >stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my first >thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know for sure. > He had the band at the Washita but not at LBH. The Campaign of 1876 was to be a long ordeal through very rough terrain, which is why he left the gatling guns and wagons behind. They never would have made it. His supplies were carried by pack mules. Perhaps the best tactical decision he made. It went downhill from there. Say since Custer was born in 1839, does he qualify as a "pre-1840" topic? :-) Ok, no more on Custer. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:43:20 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Gary Owen and Custers Last! custers wife wrote 3 books that are quite interesting reading-- I have all three and it gives a different picture of custor than we thank of--its--from a womens prospective of that time period-good reading if you can get copies of--not many reprints available---one has all the bugle calls of the time period at the starting of each chapter---to include the notes--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:17:42 -0600 (CST) mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) writes: >>Iron Tongue' >> >>You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard >any >>stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my >first >>thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know >for sure. >> > >He had the band at the Washita but not at LBH. The Campaign of 1876 >was to >be a long ordeal through very rough terrain, which is why he left the >gatling guns and wagons behind. They never would have made it. His >supplies were carried by pack mules. Perhaps the best tactical >decision he >made. It went downhill from there. > >Say since Custer was born in 1839, does he qualify as a "pre-1840" >topic? :-) > >Ok, no more on Custer. > >Cheers, >HBC > >***************************************** >Henry B. Crawford Curator of History >mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University >806/742-2442 Box 43191 >FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 > WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum >****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:27:56 -0700 From: Gary Bell Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Gary Owen and Custers Last! Hears The Quiet, Have you read up on George's brother Tom, who died with him at LBH? Two Congressional Medals of Honor, from the Civil War, I believe. I know, my 'off topic' alarm is going off, but this seems to interest a bunch of us.... Good luck on the revolver issue! Heron Henry B. Crawford wrote: > >Iron Tongue' > > > >You know, I don't know the answer to that. I have never read or heard any > >stories about a marching band with Custer at the Little Bighorn so my first > >thought is that it didn't happen but it would be interesting to know for sure. > > > > He had the band at the Washita but not at LBH. The Campaign of 1876 was to > be a long ordeal through very rough terrain, which is why he left the > gatling guns and wagons behind. They never would have made it. His > supplies were carried by pack mules. Perhaps the best tactical decision he > made. It went downhill from there. > > Say since Custer was born in 1839, does he qualify as a "pre-1840" topic? :-) > > Ok, no more on Custer. > > Cheers, > HBC > > ***************************************** > Henry B. Crawford Curator of History > mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University > 806/742-2442 Box 43191 > FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 > WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum > ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Fisher Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lead and Iron Pots Let's not get to paranoid about the lead. Granted this stuff in not real good for you but a little common sense should prevail. Otherwise we probably should not eat any animals that have been shot with lead bullets or drink out of cups that use lead solder, or handle lead bullets with our bare hands, use water from older homes with lead pipes, or breath the air in Los Angles, etc. Clean the pot until all visible traces have been removed don't worry about it. Use it at rendezvous a lot to cook food for all the "camp dogs" that seem to show up around the fire every day around mealtime. Let them know you used to use that pot for melting lead and I wager your food bill for rendezvous will drop like rock. Dennis - ---ITWHEELER@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-06-24 14:57:26 EDT, you write: > > << lnewbill@uidaho.edu >> > i wouldnt use it for any thing but for melting lead its not worthit iron > tounge > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:05:22 -0800 From: Jeanette Matthews Subject: MtMan-List: Myers, John Myers Am interested in bibliography of this author other than published books, that is to say articles, monographs etc. Am curious as to whether he is still alive and publishing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:11:01 -0500 From: "Ken" Subject: MtMan-List: good to go! Howdy the list, I want to thank everyone that sent your best wishes and prayers. I got a clean bill of health on the kidney stones today after a little "roto-rooter" work at the clinic. Passed 5 stones all together. OUCH! Sore but back home for a few days rest and I should be good as new. Still have a bunch of lab work to be done so they can put a stop to my kidneys making stones, but that will all be out patient stuff. So I'm back and ornery as ever! YMDS, yer mos disobediant servant, YellowFeather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:29:40 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go! Ken' Knew you was full a' rocks! Thought they was in your head though! Glad it wasn't real serious. YMO( and Humble)S Capt. Lahti Ken wrote: > Howdy the list, > I want to thank everyone that sent your best wishes and prayers. I got a > clean bill of health on the kidney stones today after a little > "roto-rooter" work at the clinic. Passed 5 stones all together. OUCH! Sore > but back home for a few days rest and I should be good as new. Still have a > bunch of lab work to be done so they can put a stop to my kidneys making > stones, but that will all be out patient stuff. So I'm back and ornery as > ever! > YMDS, > yer mos disobediant servant, > YellowFeather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:43:46 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go! I'm back and ornery as >ever! >YMDS, >yer mos disobediant servant, >YellowFeather I'm glad of that. If you weren't your old self, then something would be seriously wrong. Welcome back. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:05:00 -0500 From: "Michael Branson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go! Thanks Henry you said all that needed to be said about George today. The battle lasted about as long as it takes a normal man to eat his lunch according to the Sitting Bull. I believe the fight started in the early afternoon on June the 25th, 1876, Sunday. Usually this is a holiday for some of my wife's people. Michael B. - -----Original Message----- From: Henry B. Crawford To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:45 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:19:27 -0500 From: "Ken" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to ??? Custer? Howdy Mike, Just a quickie, bumper stickers I have seen. Custer got Siouxed, Custer had it coming, and Custer wore Arrow shirts. I love holidays! Tell the wife that's a great idea! YMDS, Ken YellowFeather Kawawak Tipsa - ---------- > From: Michael Branson > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go! > Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:05 PM > > Thanks Henry you said all that needed to be said about George today. The > battle lasted about as long as it takes a normal man to eat his lunch > according to the Sitting Bull. I believe the fight started in the early > afternoon on June the 25th, 1876, Sunday. Usually this is a holiday for some > of my wife's people. > > Michael B. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry B. Crawford > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:23 -0500 From: "S.M.Despain-1" Subject: MtMan-List: Custer Comments ITWHEELER@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-06-24 01:48:46 EDT, you write: > > << micropt@gte.net (Gary Bell) >> > gary the day custer was rubbed out they played gary owen and other tunes in > the band custer had with him alwats on his marches so im told . his campaines > wre extravagant rituals with full marching band so im told. as he was a bit of > an egocintric basturd. iron tounge To All: I know this is a buckskinners group and hope I'm not overstepping the bounds of discussion or beating a dead horse here (the only known survivor of Custer's detachment was "Comanche," a Morgan now stuffed and on display in Kansas somewhere) but Custer did not have his band with him on the Little Big Horn fight. Yes, he did take it with him on his winter campaign of 1868 that ended with the attack on Black Kettle's Southern Cheyenne camp on the Washita River, the same Black Kettle that Chivington of the Colorado Militia brutally attacked on Sand Creek in 1864. Also, the entire command was not rubbed out on the Little Big Horn. Marcus Reno's and Fred Benteen's groups held a defensive high ground up stream from last stand hill for a few days until the arrival of the main command up the Big Horn. Lastly, I am no fan of Custer, but he has become the major scapegoat for a society seeking to ease its concience. He was merely and agent, be it an eccentric one, following the orders and dictates of a society caught in the throws of Manifest Destiny where natives stood as a barrior to the predenstined course of the Anglo-American race in the American mind. About the Town of Garryowen, its a blink and you'll miss it type for sure. It is where the upper end of the Indian camp was, where Reno's forces attacked and were driven back across the L. Big Horn to Reno/Benteen hill. Works of interest: Richard Slotkin, The Fatal Environment (puts the last stand in cultural constructs of the day) Stan Hoig, Battle of the Washita Robert Utly, ed., Life in Custer's Cavalry (about 1868 Winter Campaigns) Kenneth Hammer, ed., Custer in 76 (primary accounts from the survivors) Elizabeth Custer, Boots and Saddles ______, Following the Guidon ___ Grey, Cenntenial Campaign Jay Monahan, The life of George A. Custer These are all of the top of my head. I know there are more. Those interested in other works about Custer contact me. Matt Despain Dept. of History University of Oklahoma sdespain@ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:00:45 EDT From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Garryowen, MT In a message dated 98-06-25 01:55:21 EDT, you write: << ben all over that country an cant rember that town - absorkie -red lodge- colestrip-miles city-dont recall gary owen though. iron tounge >> Garryowen, MT is about 17 miles south of Hardin, MT on I-90 (exit 514) where Shoulder Blade Creek runs into the Little Bighorn River. It is also within site of the Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument (3 miles south as the crow flies). It is on the Crow Indian Reservation being about 4 miles south of Crow Agency. Ghosting Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:11:04 -0700 From: "David Klose" Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:38:22 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Custer Comments YOU FORGOT ELISEBETH CUSTER'S BOOK TENTING ON THE PLAINS-- she wrote three books----- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:30:23 -0500 "S.M.Despain-1" writes: >ITWHEELER@aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 98-06-24 01:48:46 EDT, you write: >> >> << micropt@gte.net (Gary Bell) >> >> gary the day custer was rubbed out they played gary owen and other >tunes in >> the band custer had with him alwats on his marches so im told . his >campaines >> wre extravagant rituals with full marching band so im told. as he >was a bit of >> an egocintric basturd. iron tounge > >To All: > >I know this is a buckskinners group and hope I'm not overstepping the >bounds of discussion or beating a dead horse here (the only known >survivor of Custer's detachment was "Comanche," a Morgan now stuffed >and >on display in Kansas somewhere) but Custer did not have his band with >him on the Little Big Horn fight. Yes, he did take it with him on his >winter campaign of 1868 that ended with the attack on Black Kettle's >Southern Cheyenne camp on the Washita River, the same Black Kettle >that >Chivington of the Colorado Militia brutally attacked on Sand Creek in >1864. Also, the entire command was not rubbed out on the Little Big >Horn. Marcus Reno's and Fred Benteen's groups held a defensive high >ground up stream from last stand hill for a few days until the arrival >of the main command up the Big Horn. Lastly, I am no fan of Custer, >but >he has become the major scapegoat for a society seeking to ease its >concience. He was merely and agent, be it an eccentric one, following >the orders and dictates of a society caught in the throws of Manifest >Destiny where natives stood as a barrior to the predenstined course of >the Anglo-American race in the American mind. > > >About the Town of Garryowen, its a blink and you'll miss it type for >sure. It is where the upper end of the Indian camp was, where Reno's >forces attacked and were driven back across the L. Big Horn to >Reno/Benteen hill. > >Works of interest: > >Richard Slotkin, The Fatal Environment (puts the last stand in >cultural constructs of the day) >Stan Hoig, Battle of the Washita >Robert Utly, ed., Life in Custer's Cavalry (about 1868 Winter >Campaigns) >Kenneth Hammer, ed., Custer in 76 (primary accounts from the >survivors) >Elizabeth Custer, Boots and Saddles >______, Following the Guidon >___ Grey, Cenntenial Campaign >Jay Monahan, The life of George A. Custer > >These are all of the top of my head. I know there are more. Those >interested in other works about Custer contact me. > > >Matt Despain >Dept. of History >University of Oklahoma >sdespain@ou.edu > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:52:48 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good to go! Ken wrote: > > Howdy the list, > I want to thank everyone that sent your best wishes and prayers. I got a > clean bill of health on the kidney stones today after a little > "roto-rooter" work at the clinic. Passed 5 stones all together. OUCH! Sore > but back home for a few days rest and I should be good as new. Still have a > bunch of lab work to be done so they can put a stop to my kidneys making > stones, but that will all be out patient stuff. So I'm back and ornery as > ever! Glad yer coming along so well, Ken! Regards, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:13:53 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy?? Solemn? its a day for celebration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On 1998-06-25 hist_text@lists.xmission.com said to kestrel@ticon.net >Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego. Is it today or tomorrow that >is the anniversary date for his biggest mistake? Know it is one of >these days, 25 or 26 June. Just thought I would remind all on this >most solemn of days. >Tim Austin Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:13:53 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Day of Infamy?? Solemn? its a day for celebration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On 1998-06-25 hist_text@lists.xmission.com said to kestrel@ticon.net >Speaking of Mr. Custer and his ego. Is it today or tomorrow that >is the anniversary date for his biggest mistake? Know it is one of >these days, 25 or 26 June. Just thought I would remind all on this >most solemn of days. >Tim Austin Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:38:36 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Have we forgotten the mountain men? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDA0CD.0C22F7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The anniversary of Custer's downfall is over and the celebrations, etc = should be finished by now. Let's backtrack 40 or 50 years, OK? There = is probably a place for an Indian War Era discussion list and those = interested should start one. That, or this list should be expanded to = include the entire 19'th century. Did you know that a likely cause for = the explosion that destroyed the Maine was a build up of coal dust in = her bunkers? =20 Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDA0CD.0C22F7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The anniversary of Custer's downfall = is over and=20 the celebrations, etc should be finished by now.  Let's backtrack = 40 or 50=20 years, OK?  There is probably a place for an Indian War Era = discussion list=20 and those interested should start one.  That, or this list should = be=20 expanded to include the entire 19'th century.  Did you know that a = likely=20 cause for the explosion that destroyed the Maine was a build up of coal = dust in=20 her bunkers? 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDA0CD.0C22F7C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:33:18 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Custer Comments (last word, I promise) >I know this is a buckskinners group and hope I'm not overstepping the >bounds of discussion or beating a dead horse here (the only known >survivor of Custer's detachment was "Comanche," a Morgan now stuffed and >on display in Kansas somewhere) >Matt Despain Comanche is at the US Cavalry Museum, Fort Riley, Kansas. Also, to add another tidbit, Custer was not the commander of the 7th. He was the deputy commander, with the rank of Lt. Col. The commander was Col. John Sturgis, who's health usually was not good so he was on detatched duty in Washington, DC most of the time. Custer was nominal commander ot the regiment in Sturgis' absence. By far, the best treatment of the LBH episode is John S. Gray's _Centennial Campaign: The Sioux War of 1876_ (Old Army Press, 1976. Ok, THIS is my last word on Custer. Let's talk about Bent's Fort. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:37:34 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Have we forgotten the mountain men? >The anniversary of Custer's downfall is over and the celebrations, etc should >>be finished by now...Did you know that a likely cause for the explosion that >>destroyed the Maine was a build up of coal dust in her bunkers? >Lanney Ratcliff > Hey, I didn't hear that theory. Let's talk about that. Just kidding :-) Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:56:45 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Custer Comments Matt, I agree completely, come on people, let it go. A historical note: Custers defeat at the Little Big Horn was not the greatest Indian victory over U.S. regular troops. That dubious honor goes to the seven hundred men under the command of Major General Arthur St.Clair who were killed September17th, 1791 by Miami and Shawnee Indians led by Little Turtle and Blue Jacket wiping out two thirds of the standing United States Army at that time!!! Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:31:43 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: MtMan-List: Visit Canada's fur trade historic sites The U.S. dollar is now worth about $1.40 in Canada. If anyone in the northern states has been planning to head north "one day", this would be a great time to go. Where? Well, Winnipeg has Lower Fort Garry, the reconstructed site of the HBC headquarters from the 1830's to the 1890's (IIRC) and the Manitoba Museum of Man & Nature, which houses the reproduction of the Nonsuch (the HBC's very first trading ship, used in 1670). In Ontario, Thunder Bay has Old Fort William, the reproduction of the NWC's headquarters from 1803-1821, staffed with interpreters. (And the wonders of Toronto & Ottawa, such as the Royal Ontario Museum, the National Gallery, &c. &c.) Alberta has Rocky Mountain House National Historic Site, and Fort Edmonton Park (in the towns of the same name), the beautiful Rocky Mountain Parks of Banff & Jasper, & many historic sites associated with David Thompson, Alexander Mackenzie, and other great explorers & fur traders. The Calgary Stampede runs from July 3-12. And the folks near Vancouver, B.C. might want to visit Fort Langley and participate in Brigade Days (Aug 1-3). How far does your money go? In Alberta, gas is currently $0.48/litre, which works out to $1.42 Cdn/U.S gallon, or roughly $1 US/gallon. Motel rooms run $30-$60 per night, depending on where you are and what your standards are. (Of course, you can pay lots more if you want to.) And there is lots of camping. So if you haven't finalized your plans yet, come up to Canada-- 'cause we sure can't afford to go down to the States! Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #93 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.