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hist_text-digest Tuesday, April 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1017
In this issue:
- FW: Re: MtMan-List: traps
- MtMan-List: tinning
- Re: MtMan-List: The West of Alfred Jacob Miller
- Re: MtMan-List: Medallions
- Re: MtMan-List: Fire Piston history correct
- MtMan-List: From:
- Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet
- Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet
- MtMan-List: Spring (Kinda OT)
- Re: MtMan-List: tinning
- Re: MtMan-List: was Too Quiet now Pyramid Tents
- Re: MtMan-List: Medallions
- MtMan-List: HELP!!!! Firelock needed!!!
- MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns
- MtMan-List: powderhorns
- MtMan-List: one polers
- Re: MtMan-List: one polers
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 18:33:23 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz"
Subject: FW: Re: MtMan-List: traps
OOps...sent this directly to windwalker first...here's for the
list....hardtack
> [Original Message]
> From: Randal Bublitz
> To: WindWalker
> Date: 4/6/02 6:32:23 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps
>
> I forgot who this was originally sent to-deleted old mails regularly.
But this caught my eye....
> Beg borrow or other or subscribe to Fur-Fish-Game mag... its the trappers
monthly bible...
> I happen to be able to get my hands on back issues of Fur Fish and Game.
If someone is really interested, I could send for the cost of shipping.
Let me know off list. hardtack
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: WindWalker
> > To:
> > Date: 4/4/02 9:45:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps
> > Beg borrow or other or subscribe to Fur-Fish-Game mag... its the
trappers=
> > monthly bible...
>
>
> --- Randal Bublitz
> --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net
> we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
> we are Borrowing it from our Ch
- --- Randal Bublitz
- --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net
we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers,
we are
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:14:29 EST
From: "louann,peter "
Subject: MtMan-List: tinning
hello,
i saw your information on tinning. my question is how hot is the
item to be that is going to be tinned.
my husband and i have a metal refinishing shop, and are going to
give tinning a shot. he has a ton of tin, and the call for it
in out business is tremendous.
would appreciate any help that you could give.
thank you
louann & peter vansant
vansant@bestweb.net
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 06:50:09 -0600
From: "MIKE FINNEGAN"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The West of Alfred Jacob Miller
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I have a copy of the Oregon Trail, by Francis Parkman, eleventh printing,=
copyright dated 1931, and a copy of the Louisiana Purchase, by Ripley Hit=
chcock, copyright, 1903, can you tell me anything about then ( not for s=
ale) just thought you might know,
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wandering wolf =20
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La Grange, IL
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From: Todd Glover
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:54 PM
To: AMMlist@xmission.com; hist_text@xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: The West of Alfred Jacob Miller
Hello All,
Once again I have been lucky enough to obtain a copy of "The West of Alf=
red Jacob Miller."
This is a first edition, hard bound book published in 1951. The book is i=
n excellent condition both inside and out. Shows no sign of rubbing on th=
e spine or edges. It does not have a dust cover. This book is an absolute=
must in your library if you are a fan or scholar of the western fur trad=
e.
As I did before, I'd like to auction this book off. I will keep my cost a=
nd send the rest to the AMM land fund. So the winner not only gets an exc=
ellent book, but also the satisfaction of helping pay for the land. =20
I will begin taking bids now and will close the bidding next Friday night=
the 12th at 8:00 p.m. Mountain time.
During the week I will post periodic updates of the highest bid. Good luc=
k.
Let the bidding begin.....
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d 1931, and a copy of the Louisiana Purchase, by Ripley Hitchcock, copyri=
ght, 1903, can you tell me anything about then ( not for sale) just=
thought you might know,
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From: Todd Glover
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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:54=
PM
To: AMMlist@xmission.com=
; hist_text@xmission.com
Subject=
: MtMan-List: The West of Alfred Jacob Miller
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Hello All=
,
Once again I have been lucky enough to obt=
ain a copy of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller."
This is a first edition, hard bound book published in 1951. The book is=
in excellent condition both inside and out. Shows no sign of rubbing on =
the spine or edges. It does not have a dust cover. This book is an absolu=
te must in your library if you are a fan or scholar of the western fur tr=
ade. As I did before, I'd like to auction this book off. =
I will keep my cost and send the rest to the AMM land fund. So the winner=
not only gets an excellent book, but also the satisfaction of helpi=
ng pay for the land.
I will begin taki=
ng bids now and will close the bidding next Friday night the 12th at 8:00=
p.m. Mountain time.
During the week I will post periodic upda=
tes of the highest bid. Good luck.
Let the b=
idding begin.....
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 00:04:47 -0700
From: "Michael Powell"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medallions
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This Years Booshway at Bridger is Kash Johnson. You can e-mail him at ka=
shjohnson1@hotmail.com . There is also a lady in Red Lodge, Mont by the =
name of Joann Ford who makes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will a=
s others and she is on the Red Lodge Rendezvous committee. Not quite sur=
e how to get ahold of Joann but you could call the Red Lodge Chamber of C=
ommerce.
Mike Powell =20
=20
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From: Ronald Schrotter
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:36 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medallions
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Les, you might try contacting the booshway for Bridger
Rendezvous and find out who is making theirs this
year. I don't know who he is this year, but you can
call the museum at Bridger and find out contact info.
Good luck, DOG, Lyman, Wyo.
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> I am looking for a source to get a medallion made
> for an upcoming
> rendezvous.
>
> --
> Yours In Scouting
> Les
>
>
>
> Leslie E. Chaffin
> Green River, Wyoming
> District Executive
> Pilot Butte District
> Platte River District
> Trapper Trails Council
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shway at Bridger is Kash Johnson. You can e-mail him at
kashjohnson1@hotmail.com . =
; There is also a lady in Red Lodge, Mont by the name of Joann Ford who m=
akes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will as others and she is on t=
he Red Lodge Rendezvous committee. Not quite sure how to get ahold =
of Joann but you could call the Red Lodge Chamber of Commerce.
Mike Powell
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From: Ronald Schrotter
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:36 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medallio=
ns
Les, you might try contacting the booshway for =
Bridger
Rendezvous and find out who is making theirs this
year.&nbs=
p; I don't know who he is this year, but you can
call the museum at Br=
idger and find out contact info.
Good luck, DOG, Lyman, Wyo.
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> I am looking for a =
source to get a medallion made
> for an upcoming
> rendezvous=
.
>
> --
> Yours In Scouting
> Les
>
>=
;
>
> Leslie E. Chaffin
> Green River, Wyoming
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> Pilot Butte District
> Platte River Dist=
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> Trapper Trails Council
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:57:51 -0700
From: "Michael Powell"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Piston history correct
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Windwalker,
A personal friend of mine, a Bob Perkins in Manhattan, Mt. has done resea=
rch on this and even manufactures them. As far as them being period corr=
ect to the Rocky Mts during the fur trade, my bet would be slim to none. =
It's difficult enough to document the Tibetan style strike-a-light that =
Kit Carson carried, in the Rocky Mts. let alone a fire piston that was mo=
stly used in the Philippines and Pacific islands. There were trade ships=
that visited the Pacific coast that could explain how such items made it=
to this continent but "documentation" is always the fly in the ointment =
as to weather any of this items actually made it into the Rocky Mts, prop=
er, during the fur trade. If anyone comes up with some noteworthy docume=
ntation I'm really interested. This could cause some heavy digging.
Mike Powell
Fort Henry, on the Snake, country. =20
=20
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From: Wind Walker
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:37 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Fire Piston history correct
=20
Has any reference been found as to if the early mountain man, ever carrie=
d a Fire Piston?
Its within the time frame, and was used in early Virginia.
I know books always refer to flint/steel... But I believe HBC sold a earl=
y piston...
Anybody have info on such?
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Windwalker,
A&n=
bsp;personal friend of mine, a Bob Perkins in Manhattan, Mt. has done res=
earch on this and even manufactures them. As far as them being peri=
od correct to the Rocky Mts during the fur trade, my bet would be sli=
m to none. It's difficult enough to document the Tibetan style=
strike-a-light that Kit Carson carried, in the Rocky Mts. let alone=
a fire piston that was mostly used in the Philippines and Pacific i=
slands. There were trade ships that visited the Pacific coast&=
nbsp;that could explain how such items made it to this continent but=
U> "documentation" is always the fly in the ointmen=
t as to weather any of this items actually made it into the Rocky Mts, pr=
oper, during the fur trade. If anyone comes up with some notew=
orthy documentation I'm really interested. This could cause some he=
avy digging.
Mike Powell
Fort Henry, on the Snake, =
country.
=
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From: Wind Walker
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:37 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
=
Subject: MtMan-List: Fire Piston =
history correct
Has any reference been found as=
to if the early mountain man, ever carried a Fire Piston?
<=
DIV>Its within the time frame, and was used in early Virgi=
nia. I know books always refer to flint/=
steel... But I believe HBC sold a early piston...
Anybody have info on such?
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 22:22:17 -0700 (MST)
From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: From:
Windwalker,
Marbles, A.R.Harding, reflector ovens, Calvin Rutstrum!!!!You are a
true romantic! For those who don't know about these things, they are
classic trapping names. Calvin Rutstrum is my favorite outdoor author.
Now, I consider all good trappers my brother (not outlaw trappers) no
matter what era. But I'm going to try and keep my discussions to pre-1850.
Its tough to do to as even with all our modern gear trapping is still a
hard job requiring a lot of woods savy and skill. Still the bond between
modern trappers and our brothers of two centuries ago is strong.
I keep mentioning for anyone wanting to trap critters to join and take
a trapping associaton course. I also hope everyone on the list is in the
NRA and they should join their state trapping association to help support
them. You may not trap but some day you may want to catch one beaver and
they are the only ones fighting for our rights. Remember our whole era
revolved around the beaver trapper or people who dealt with them.
Windwalker, nonresidents cannot trap furbearers in Montana. You will be
near water but it may be solid ice! Ice went off and on many times this
winter on the Missouri. My river the SUN just thawed out one week ago.
Been frozen solid since november. Those are some tough beaver living under
the ice that long, what a life.
I have two big hogs so far but only have a few traps out. The fur is
prime still as the water is ice cold, this I know firsthand. Its still
always better to take fur too early then too late but always during the set
seasons.
Sincerely, Greg aka Castor Garcon (beaverboy)
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Branson
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet
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I'll send this again since I haven't received any notice as to whether anyone got it?? Ken Thomas Books has a 1951 1st edition of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" for sale. Contact him at Kenthomasbooks.com
Michael Branson
Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: Since things have been sort of quiet for a while now, here goes:
Been looking at Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings and noticed something. Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that a drawing of a one pole tent? I don't see any smoke flaps nor a bonnet of poles. So is it or isn't it in 1837?
The original hangs in the museum in Cody, so if anyone wants to go look at it, who knows?
Nothing like stirring things up. Don
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I'll send this again since I haven't received any notice as to whether anyone got it?? Ken Thomas Books has a 1951 1st edition of "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" for sale. Contact him at Kenthomasbooks.com
Michael Branson
Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> wrote:
Since things have been sort of quiet for a while now, here goes:
Been looking at Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings and noticed something. Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that a drawing of a one pole tent? I don't see any smoke flaps nor a bonnet of poles. So is it or isn't it in 1837?
The original hangs in the museum in Cody, so if anyone wants to go look at it, who knows?
Nothing like stirring things up. Don
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:35:49 -0400
From: "WindWalker"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Too Quiet
One pole tents were common in Rev War..
it makes sense that alot of gear was carried west
procured from "unknown places"
Note:
Keelboat Crews were for the most part a breed apart..
so its hard to tell what they picked up..
and if we are talking about missouri River trips
then St Louis had a real abundance "of gear' about
Note alot was french and spanish...
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On 4/6/02 at 8:12 PM Phyllis and Don Keas wrote:
>Since things have been sort of quiet for a while now, here goes:
>
>Been looking at Alfred Jacob Miller's paintings and noticed something.
>Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that
>a drawing of a one pole tent? I don't see any smoke flaps nor a bonnet of
>poles. So is it or isn't it in 1837?
>The original hangs in the museum in Cody, so if anyone wants to go look at
>it, who knows?
>
>Nothing like stirring things up. Don
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:48:17 -0600
From: "Gretchen H. Ormond"
Subject: MtMan-List: Spring (Kinda OT)
Today was sunny and warm. It was a good day to put the sneak on a
couple of rock chucks then go over and track them, crawling through the
mud and horse shit. It was a good day to turn six years old. It was a
good day to be the father of a first class, six year old stalker and
tracker.
I aint a praying man but that's my prayer
Wynn Ormond
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:36:14 -0600
From: "Gretchen H. Ormond"
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinning
"louann,peter" wrote:
> hello,
> i saw your information on tinning. my question is how hot is the
> item to be that is going to be tinned.
>
>
> louann & peter vansant
Ms. Vansant
I am afraid you have not given us enough information to know where you are
coming from or to what you refer too. I am not a tin expert by any means
but I assume that what you refer to could be best answered by saying that
it needs to be hot enough to melt the solder or keep it molten long enough
to get a coating all the way around it.
Perhaps someone smarter than I will see this post and help us out.
But speakin' of tin I have a shiny new tinware cook set and I am wondering
how to get it seasoned properly?
Wynn Ormond
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:29:29 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Too Quiet now Pyramid Tents
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In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:08:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pdkeas@market1.com writes:
> is that a drawing of a one pole tent?
Don, IIRC, it's this painting (Our Camp) that has been the basis for allowing
pyramid tents at many a Rendezvous. Barney
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In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:08:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pdkeas@market1.com writes:
is that a drawing of a one pole tent?
Don, IIRC, it's this painting (Our Camp) that has been the basis for allowing pyramid tents at many a Rendezvous. Barney
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:24:52 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Medallions
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In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:04:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
amm1769@hotmail.com writes:
> Joann Ford who makes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will as others
Joann makes the medallions for the Laguna Mountain and Manzanita Rondy's here
in SoCal, and she has always does a FINE job for us.
Her phone number is (406) 446-1307, address is P. O. Box 326, Red Lodge,
Montana 59068.
Barney
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In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:04:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amm1769@hotmail.com writes:
Joann Ford who makes the medallions for that Rendezvous as will as others
Joann makes the medallions for the Laguna Mountain and Manzanita Rondy's here in SoCal, and she has always does a FINE job for us.
Her phone number is (406) 446-1307, address is P. O. Box 326, Red Lodge, Montana 59068.
Barney
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:07:24 -0400
From: hikingonthru@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: HELP!!!! Firelock needed!!!
Ho List!
I am in need of an affordable bangaround firelock to tide me over till my fusil gets finished!!! (next december is the eariest date!!!) I will be using it for living history events! Needs to be flint, of course. It can have the barrel shot out, gouged stock, scratches, even a minor crack in stock is OK. Slight to moderate rust OK (do not want belly of barrel rusted out!!!) Even a pieced together gun is OK as this will mainly shoot blanks. Long as it makes a spark and some smoke.
A pistol may even do!!!
If anyone has any such thing lying around they want to get shed of or knows where I can find such, please let me know!!! Please respond offlist!!
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:11:50 -0500
From: "FrankF"
Subject: MtMan-List: another pot-stirrer on horns
A while back someone mentioned buff horns being the most common amongst
original RMFT types.
OK now, does that make a current day reenactor 'inappropriate' if his
powderhorn is made from cow?
Methinks (yeah, there I go again, Roger) that many cow horns were
brought by these guys when they came from homes in the east, traders brought
them and others found their way into the mountains from the semi-wild
Spanish cattle breeds in New Mexico and Texas country.
Also, how common might wild goat and mountain sheep horns might be? What
is in the various fur trade museums?
Fire away.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:04:46 -0500
From: "FrankF"
Subject: MtMan-List: powderhorns
Hawk mentioned,
"day horns"
Hey pard, Wat is a 'day horn'? Does one change horns come evening time
like a proper lady changes her attire? :-) Do ye use a different horn at
night?
And ye'all might want to take at look at what a new member to my little
e-group is offering. He lives in Arkansas.
http://www.geocities.com/sebryan0606/howlingwolfpowderhorns.html Some
mighty attractive work.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:56:19 -0500
From: "FrankF"
Subject: MtMan-List: one polers
Don said,
Don, I sure would be glad to have this question settled. Not that one
image in one painting would settle anything but it would help.
Last event I went to, of about 200 camps, only a half dozen tee-pees,
lots of marquees, lots and lots of one-polers, including mine, mebbe one or
two diamond flys, one or two thrown together almost-shelters. Not a single
open-face half-shelter made with hides. Oh, well.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: 09 Apr 2002 17:41:50 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: one polers
Let's see what others say. Don
On Monday, May 26, 1941, FrankF wrote:
> Don said,
> =3D
>Look at his painting titled "Our Camp". In the right hand side, is that =
=3D
>a drawing of a one pole tent?>
> Don, I sure would be glad to have this question settled. Not that =
one
>image in one painting would settle anything but it would help.
> Last event I went to, of about 200 camps, only a half dozen tee-pees,
>lots of marquees, lots and lots of one-polers, including mine, mebbe one =
or
>two diamond flys, one or two thrown together almost-shelters. Not a =
single
>open-face half-shelter made with hides. Oh, well.
>Frank G. Fusco
>Mountain Home, Arkansas
>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
>
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