From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1081 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, September 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1081 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:00:39 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting - --part1_16a.135ded2c.2aab98c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn Your boy has got the same problem that I have when it comes to shooting. Being right handed and left eye dominate, as for shooting a gun it has not bothered me, and I don't hold the gun or site it any different then any one else does. But when it comes to shooting a bow it really shows up to a point that is better to start him out shooting it left handed, Is the best advice I can give ya. Crazy Cyot - --part1_16a.135ded2c.2aab98c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn
Your boy has got the same problem that I have when it comes to shooting.
Being right handed and left eye dominate, as for shooting a gun it has not bothered me, and I don't hold the gun or site it any different then any one else does. But when it comes to shooting a bow it really shows up to a point that is better to start him out shooting it left handed, Is the best advice I can give ya.
Crazy Cyot - --part1_16a.135ded2c.2aab98c7_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:31:51 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting - --part1_180.d4c3833.2aaba017_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2002 11:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: start him out shooting it left handed>> Wynn, I'd have to agree with Cyot; IMO, that will give him a better chance to do really well. This would be a good time to go Lefty since the replacement bow you now have to get for him ;) could be made as a left-hander. One other thought: This might be a good time to see if he has the rare advantage of being ambidextrous, and shoot both ways. It would take some training and practice and patience, but what a cool thing to be able to do. Pick up a righty or lefty and do as well with either. You gotta get 'em while they're young....... Barn - --part1_180.d4c3833.2aaba017_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2002 11:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: start him out shooting it left handed>>

Wynn, I'd have to agree with Cyot; IMO, that will give him a better chance to do really well.

This would be a good time to go Lefty since the replacement bow you now have to get for him ;) could be made as a left-hander.

One other thought: This might be a good time to see if he has the rare advantage of being ambidextrous, and shoot both ways. It would take some training and practice and patience, but what a cool thing to be able to do. Pick up a righty or lefty and do as well with either. You gotta get 'em while they're young.......

Barn

- --part1_180.d4c3833.2aaba017_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:23:26 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting > Anyway, I have been working to teach my son to shoot. He is definately > right handed and decidely left eyed. He tries to squish his face around to > make it work for him and it does not. According to the NRA BP Instructors Manual ( I are an Instructor *grins*)... if he is left eye dominate then he will have to shoot left handed. IF he could learn to shoot right-eye/right handed, then no problem... BUT... if he is definately more comfortable with left-eye, then get him a lefty gun and he will have to shoot left handed. I am left-handed but right eye dominate, and had to leard to shoot right handed when I was young. Bak n the 50s not many lefty guns around. No problem for me... Only other time I have run into that was my own son... he learned to shoot right handed from left handed like me, and took the Top Gun Award at the Police Academy with an overall average of 98.5 out of 100 on shotgun, rifle and pistol. See? It can be done :) BTW... I taught him to shoot... (brags a little) Regards, Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:26:14 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting He struggles with both eyes open. He can only wink with the one eye and it has become a habit already. If I give him a play gun and site down it in reverse he looks like he is trying to line it up with his nose not his eye. I am not brave enough to try that with the bow. :> I have to be careful not to make it to much of a deal or he gets frustrated. then I fail him. He could probably do either hand if he wanted to practice it a little. It is kinda fun to be able to do things ambidextrously. I can throw a lasso about the same either hand, not real well but I can catch something sometimes and it is fun to impress my nephews rodeo friends by telling them to use the other hand. Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand as he shoot or is there a better way around it? Wynn Ormond - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting > In a message dated 9/7/2002 11:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: start him out shooting it left handed>> > > Wynn, I'd have to agree with Cyot; IMO, that will give him a better chance to > do really well. > > This would be a good time to go Lefty since the replacement bow you now have > to get for him ;) could be made as a left-hander. > > One other thought: This might be a good time to see if he has the rare > advantage of being ambidextrous, and shoot both ways. It would take some > training and practice and patience, but what a cool thing to be able to do. > Pick up a righty or lefty and do as well with either. You gotta get 'em while > they're young....... > > Barn > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 07 Sep 2002 13:50:28 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Boil some water, popur it down the barrel and then out. Run a dry patch = thru the barrel and if necessary, run some more hot water . Usually one = application of water will do the trick and then oil the heck out of it. = Be sure to plug the touch hole or nipple first, On Wednesday, September 4, 2002 3:12 PM, Monte Holder wrote: >I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but = since >I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used if = out >on the trail for a while. > >Monte Holder >Saline Co MO > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:03:32 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting - --part1_4e.10ba84dd.2aabb594_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn When shooting a primitive bow ether shoot the bow flat or cantering it to a bout 45 degrees helps. If this does not help him you could build an arrow rest for him. This is not allowed in most primitive coemption but if you what him to enjoy shooting it ya need to make it so it don't hurt to shoot it. For the slap of the string on his arm I made my self an arm guard out of raw hide. Crazy - --part1_4e.10ba84dd.2aabb594_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn
When shooting a primitive bow ether shoot the bow flat or cantering it to a bout 45 degrees helps. If this does not help him you could build an arrow rest for him. This is not allowed in most primitive coemption but if you what him to enjoy shooting it ya need to make it so it don't hurt to shoot it. For the slap of the string on his arm I made my self an arm guard out of raw hide.
Crazy - --part1_4e.10ba84dd.2aabb594_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:59:26 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting - --part1_152.13ad48f7.2aabd0be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/02 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes: > He struggles with both eyes open. He can only wink with the one eye and it > has become a habit already. If I give him a play gun and site down it in > reverse he looks like he is trying to line it up with his nose not his eye. > What happens when he holds the play gun left handed? I also had that problem 'cep I'm left handed & right eyed. Learned to shoot left handed, but never got above being just a "fair" shot. THEN, I messed up my left shoulder & had to relearn how to shoot right handed at about 45 years old. TOUGH to do, but I FINALLY managed. I'm a much better shot with dominant eye AND if the need arises, now that left shoulder is back close to normal, I can shoot either hand. Even left handed shooting has improved, but still not quite as good as right handed. Now, I'm going through the same problems with wife 'cuz she's like your son -- right handed & left eyed. It was a battle to get her to remember to shoot left handed, but she's getting better -- & she's now over 50. IF she can do it, your son should have an easier time of it. His habits haven't had 50 years to take a "set" yet! 8) > I have to be careful not to make it to much of a deal or he gets frustrated. > then I fail him. THAT'S the real problem! Remember to use LOTS of positive reinforcements! > It is kinda fun to be able to do things ambidextrously. I can throw a > lasso > about the same either hand, not real well but I can catch something > sometimes and it is fun to impress my nephews rodeo friends by telling them > to use the other hand. Besides being able to shoot either hand, I can also weld either hand & it comes in HANDY on the job. My favorite trick is to switch hands in the middle of a pass without breaking arc. When some one's watching & paying attention, they can't believe what they saw. 8) > Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he > does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand as he shoot or is there a > better way around it? I made arrow rests for both our bows out of pieces of antler tucked (and glued) under brain tan for the grip. While I'm not sure it a a period correct cure, I did use proper materials. Both our bows were hand made recurve self bows & shot nicely with the rests. Never did get wife to switch to left handed archery, so we could shoot each other's bows -- 'till mine broke. 8( Might try a recurve with your son -- they don't bite the arm like a straight bow does. Recurves ARE period -- the Indians called 'em "contrary bows". Nauga Mok - --part1_152.13ad48f7.2aabd0be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/02 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes:

He struggles with both eyes open. He can only wink with the one eye and it
has become a habit already. If I give him a play gun and site down it in
reverse he looks like he is trying to line it up with his nose not his eye.

What happens when he holds the play gun left handed? I also had that problem 'cep I'm left handed & right eyed. Learned to shoot left handed, but never got above being just a "fair" shot. THEN, I messed up my left shoulder & had to relearn how to shoot right handed at about 45 years old. TOUGH to do, but I FINALLY managed. I'm a much better shot with dominant eye AND if the need arises, now that left shoulder is back close to normal, I can shoot either hand. Even left handed shooting has improved, but still not quite as good as right handed. Now, I'm going through the same problems with wife 'cuz she's like your son -- right handed & left eyed. It was a battle to get her to remember to shoot left handed, but she's getting better -- & she's now over 50. IF she can do it, your son should have an easier time of it. His habits haven't had 50 years to take a "set" yet! 8)

I have to be careful not to make it to much of a deal or he gets frustrated.
then I fail him.

THAT'S the real problem! Remember to use LOTS of positive reinforcements!

It is kinda fun to be able to do things ambidextrously. I can throw a lasso
about the same either hand, not real well but I can catch something
sometimes and it is fun to impress my nephews rodeo friends by telling them
to use the other hand.

Besides being able to shoot either hand, I can also weld either hand & it comes in HANDY on the job. My favorite trick is to switch hands in the middle of a pass without breaking arc. When some one's watching & paying attention, they can't believe what they saw. 8)

Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he
does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand as he shoot or is there a
better way around it?

I made arrow rests for both our bows out of pieces of antler tucked (and glued) under brain tan for the grip. While I'm not sure it a a period correct cure, I did use proper materials. Both our bows were hand made recurve self bows & shot nicely with the rests. Never did get wife to switch to left handed archery, so we could shoot each other's bows -- 'till mine broke. 8( Might try a recurve with your son -- they don't bite the arm like a straight bow does. Recurves ARE period -- the Indians called 'em "contrary bows".

Nauga Mok - --part1_152.13ad48f7.2aabd0be_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:08:36 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting - --part1_a3.2e1a06b7.2aabd2e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2002 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes: > Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he > does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand I'm thinking YES, a small ledge could be carved into the edges of the bow itself. Personally I don't see any reason this couldn't be done on both sides to allow for ambidextrous shooting too. Barn - --part1_a3.2e1a06b7.2aabd2e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/2002 12:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oci@pcu.net writes:

Is there anything you can put on a primitive bow to create a ledge so he
does not have to let the arrow rest on his hand

I'm thinking YES, a small ledge could be carved into the edges of the bow itself. Personally I don't see any reason this couldn't be done on both sides to allow for ambidextrous shooting too. Barn - --part1_a3.2e1a06b7.2aabd2e4_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:17:31 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives >I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but since >I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used if out >on the trail for a while. Whats wrong with using left over pieces of rope to make a bore scrubber? Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:06:23 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teaching Shooting At 10:13 AM 9/7/2002 -0600, you wrote: Wynn, I won't make any comment on shooting a bow, but with a handgun, it's just fine to shoot right handed and left eyed. When shooting a long gun, just shut the left eye and shoot right handed. Works fine. Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:41:25 -0500 From: Monte Holder Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOW alternatives Not a thing wrong with trying rope Mr. Miller, I will try that, and thanks for the suggestion. I have patches, (mentioned by someone in an earlier reply), I was just looking for some plant alternative that I may have growing around. It seems pulling weeds is not a high priority out on the farm, but if cleaning my rifle with some.....then a few more might get pulled. Addison Miller wrote: > >I was thinking the other day about scubbing out a rifle with tow, but > since > >I didn't have any on hand, got to wondering what one might have used > if out > >on the trail for a while. > > Whats wrong with using left over pieces of rope to make a bore > scrubber? > > Ad Miller > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:07:20 -0700 From: "De Santis, Nick" Subject: MtMan-List: Question I was reading the thread on alternates to tow for cleaning and it made me wonder about a similar problem. Can anyone let me know about what would be used for patches other than cloth? I am not worried personally, as I am rarely out long enough to run out of shirt tail, but long term "in the day", would some variety of leaves or leather etc. have been used? Thanks, Nick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1081 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.