From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1093 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, October 4 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1093 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Southwestern doin's? -       MtMan-List: Firewood -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Firewood -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Firewood -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale -       MtMan-List: Daniel L. "Concho" Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:18:23 -0700 From: Alan Avery Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale I am not one of the resident "gun experts" by any means, but I would make the point that while the rifle may be a Hawken, (i.e. made by one of the Hawken brothers) it ain't necessarily a "Hawken" rifle, as we all have come to know them. To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it was (apparently) made by one of the Hawkens. Does this make any sense to anybody?? Black Knife - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:01:35 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale In a message dated 10/2/02 11:24:01 AM, aravery@shaw.ca writes: << To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it was (apparently) made by one of the Hawkens. >> Haaaaa..... I "cut and pasted" the web address, and the gun I saw was actually a pistol.... don't think we're all on the same page...or me anyway. Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:05:41 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale - --part1_7f.2cd9769f.2acc9d85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/02 11:24:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aravery@shaw.ca writes: > . To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it was > (apparently) made by one of the Hawkens. > According to Charles Hanson in his book "The Plains Rifle", the Hawkin Brothers did upgrades to existing rifles built by other gun makers. Upgrades usually included reboring, re-rifling & shortening the barrel to Hawkin specs. Of course, they stamped such barrels with their marks to indicate they'd done the upgrade. Perhaps this is an example? Nauga Mok - --part1_7f.2cd9769f.2acc9d85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/02 11:24:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aravery@shaw.ca writes:


. To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it was
(apparently) made by one of the Hawkens.


According to Charles Hanson in his book "The Plains Rifle", the Hawkin Brothers did upgrades to existing rifles built by other gun makers.  Upgrades usually included reboring, re-rifling & shortening the barrel to Hawkin specs.  Of course, they stamped such barrels with their marks to indicate they'd done the upgrade.  Perhaps this is an example?

Nauga Mok - --part1_7f.2cd9769f.2acc9d85_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:06:09 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale black knife that makes plenty of sense to me but it is not a true---j or j & s hawken and seems to be a callage of different styles and time periods lock is from around 1810 to 20---butstock is yorke---patch box not similar to any used by any master builders in the book patch boxes and barrel marksof that time period---gun has german characteristics with the sway belly forstock none of the known hawken makers used a swamped barrel---all known guns were straight oct or tapered ---none known with octogon to round barrels---or similar to some english sporting rifles the hawken as we know and accept as the general rule today is a combination of the 1803 hawpers ferry and a english sporting rifle---look at the lines and stock shapes---there is one hawken with a pistol grip like a english sporting rifle and is dated about 1808--- could be a restocker by a unknown maker the stamp is wrong for the majority of hawken and william and christipher signed their guns in script since they were master builders--- hawk--- On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:18:23 -0700 Alan Avery writes: > I am not one of the resident "gun experts" by any means, but I would > make > the point that while the rifle may be a Hawken, (i.e. made by one of > the > Hawken brothers) it ain't necessarily a "Hawken" rifle, as we all > have come > to know them. To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it > was > (apparently) made by one of the Hawkens. > > Does this make any sense to anybody?? > > > Black Knife > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:36:41 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale pard--- not correct in the stamping thing ---both jake and sam refused to stamp a restocker or a repair but if they made the whole gun that was a different story they did use generic parts on several ocasions depending on what the customer ordered especially the locks which some are ashmore some are tyrone some ard made in their shop by william watt---gemner used the 3d version of the hawken stamp and stamped some reworks like the spencer and the falling block with the double keys in the front that was done by j. p. gemner----remember there are 3 hawken stamps---the early which is typical of the j and s hawken and the s hawken which has the w that is funny. the one that gemner used that only says s. hawken or hawken on it---and is about .040 bigger than the standard hawken stamp---I have rubbings of all the different stamps and ceriblem splashes also that i made off of originals---william and christopher were master builders and signed all their guns in script not stamped---IE with a graveing chizzle and both use their hand written signature as their stamp--- nuff said hawk On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:05:41 EDT NaugaMok@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 10/2/02 11:24:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > aravery@shaw.ca > writes: > > > > . To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it was > > (apparently) made by one of the Hawkens. > > > > According to Charles Hanson in his book "The Plains Rifle", the > Hawkin > Brothers did upgrades to existing rifles built by other gun makers. > Upgrades > usually included reboring, re-rifling & shortening the barrel to > Hawkin > specs. Of course, they stamped such barrels with their marks to > indicate > they'd done the upgrade. Perhaps this is an example? > > Nauga Mok ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:58:05 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale I have a friend that once owned one, and this was before the 1970s and all the mountain man hype. He finally sold it because people who heard he had it and would come to his house at all hours to see it. Drove him nuts. One fellow drove in from Las Vegas (the owner lived in Salt Lake City) and knocked on his door at 10 pm asking for the privilege. So: If you have a lot of money and are lonesome for meeting a lot of new friends . . . go buy that "Hawken". Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:24:28 -0400 From: windwalker@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale Hey Hawk Dam it appeard another"Hawken Flint" turned up.. Didnt we have a major while back?? Some were saying they never made a flint??? Well I looked at the Picture.. appears to be the early version like mine. My stock clearly shows the Lancaster style. Mine don't have the fancy patchbox as this one in picture does. Now as I seen the picture it was marked "Hawken" and nothing more... AndThat in itself is incorrect for my gun. Id advise a onsite inspection for anyone biding on that gun. From what I seen, it appears to be modified and or pieced together. NOTE there were some assemblers of rifles that stamped hawken on some guns to bring a better price. The Barrel appears to be total incorrect for the rifle. and is possible made by a lesser assembler or worse yet possible later stamped on a rebore Now OT so you moving outs Fl are you hawk?? We are just getting the new house started in Boca Grande Windwalker > pard--- > not correct in the stamping thing ---both jake and sam refused to stamp > a restocker or a repair but if they made the whole gun that was a > different story they did use generic parts on several ocasions depending > on what the customer ordered especially the locks which some are ashmore > some are tyrone some ard made in their shop by william watt---gemner > used the 3d version of the hawken stamp and stamped some reworks like the > spencer and the falling block with the double keys in the front that was > done by j. p. gemner----remember there are 3 hawken stamps---the early > which is typical of the j and s hawken and the s hawken which has the w > that is funny. the one that gemner used that only says s. hawken or > hawken on it---and is about .040 bigger than the standard hawken > stamp---I have rubbings of all the different stamps and ceriblem splashes > also that i made off of originals---william and christopher were master > builders and signed all their guns in script not stamped---IE with a > graveing chizzle and both use their hand written signature as their > stamp--- > > nuff said > hawk > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:05:41 EDT NaugaMok@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 10/2/02 11:24:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > aravery@shaw.ca > > writes: > > > > > > > . To me, it doesn't look at all like a "Hawken" but it was > > > (apparently) made by one of the Hawkens. > > > > > > > According to Charles Hanson in his book "The Plains Rifle", the > > Hawkin > > Brothers did upgrades to existing rifles built by other gun makers. > > Upgrades > > usually included reboring, re-rifling & shortening the barrel to > > Hawkin > > specs. Of course, they stamped such barrels with their marks to > > indicate > > they'd done the upgrade. Perhaps this is an example? > > > > Nauga Mok > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:47:20 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale I'm no Hawken expert by a long mile, but this gun doesn't seem to jive with descriptions of Hawken guns that I've read. I, too, would like to hear the opinions of folks who are knowledgeable about Hawkens. Lanney Ratcliff >> Lanney, I'm certainly no expert on anything, but I have seen several Original Hawkens and like Hawk said the stamp on the barrel isn't even close to right. It's not the right size, style, and it's not in the same place as the ones I have seen. My $.02 worth, Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:03:54 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale Larry I don't think I would give 14 grand for it and judging from the bidding history nobody else will either, considering that less than one hour remains on the bid period. Seems to have had trouble passing the reverse version of the "duck test"......if it DOESN'T look like a duck, if it DOESN'T walk like a duck and DOESN'T quack like a duck it might NOT be a duck. Lanney > > >> Lanney, > I'm certainly no expert on anything, but I have seen several Original > Hawkens and like Hawk said the stamp on the barrel isn't even close to > right. It's not the right size, style, and it's not in the same place as > the ones I have seen. > My $.02 worth, > Pendleton > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 02 Oct 2002 21:07:44 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Southwestern doin's? Sounds good. Don Keas On Tuesday, October 1, 2002 2:14 PM, scott mcmahon wrote: >List, > How many would be interested in attending a serious Southwestern=20 >furtrade/Santa Fe/Indian trade event somewhere in the "Southwest"? Maybe=20 >Oklahoma, northern Texas/New Mexico, southern Colorado? We could set the=20 >timeline at 1839 or 1840... it would be a juried, period, hardcore event..= .=20 >no excess camp equipment, no hollywood foofaraw. I've already recieved = one=20 >or two hits on this but just wondered what sort of take everyone else had = on=20 >it. Anyone else interested in helping put something like this together? = What=20 >about you Oklahoma AMM boys... Cliff, Tim? Just checking... > Dios, Libertad y Tejas > Cpt. Scott McMahon > S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. > > "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not = any=20 >sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has = one=20 >or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man = a=20 >rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." > General Ethan Allen Hitchcock > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:03:24 -0600 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Firewood Ole wrote > I got 40 cords of wood you can have for free if you come pick it up, all dry > some oak, cedar, pine. Ole I have several sources that I get wood from I just have to cut it etc but I will keep you in mind. I love a good fire on a cold night. I try to make the stove the center of my home instead of the TV that seems to dominate most homes. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 02:48:00 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale want some pictures of my original flint--- nuff said--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 02:21:21 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale dick --- have owned 4 original hawkens---still have two---and one of then is as you say its a "A typical according to john beard" have never had that kind of problems---when i got my baby i got it it was in 4 pieces broke up by a wagon rolling over it ---bill large recut the bore---kieth knewbeyer and myself put the wood back together---and i still use and shoot it---the flinter i own is not a show piece but functional and shootable---it came from alaska---long storey---the percission i am the 3 d owner---know its total history and lenage---dont know the whole storey on the flinter but can track ii back 4 owners--- its marked j & s hawken---if the price is close i guess i should put mine up for sale(I DOUBT THAT) the owner of that gun is relly proud of his thang---note i say thang--- hawk On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:58:05 EDT SWzypher@aol.com writes: > I have a friend that once owned one, and this was before the 1970s > and all > the mountain man hype. He finally sold it because people who heard > he had it > and would come to his house at all hours to see it. Drove him nuts. > One > fellow drove in from Las Vegas (the owner lived in Salt Lake City) > and > knocked on his door at 10 pm asking for the privilege. So: If you > have a > lot of money and are lonesome for meeting a lot of new friends . . . > go buy > that "Hawken". > > Richard James > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 02:45:35 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale lanny--- pard you are right the duck stops here---and not my 14 grand---i might consider selling my original for that price and i can document it--- nuff said hawk On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:03:54 -0500 "Lanney Ratcliff" writes: > Larry > I don't think I would give 14 grand for it and judging from the > bidding > history nobody else will either, considering that less than one hour > remains > on the bid period. Seems to have had trouble passing the reverse > version of > the "duck test"......if it DOESN'T look like a duck, if it DOESN'T > walk like > a duck and DOESN'T quack like a duck it might NOT be a duck. > Lanney > > > > > > >> Lanney, > > I'm certainly no expert on anything, but I have seen several > Original > > Hawkens and like Hawk said the stamp on the barrel isn't even > close to > > right. It's not the right size, style, and it's not in the same > place as > > the ones I have seen. > > My $.02 worth, > > Pendleton > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:55:21 -0400 From: "Tom Roberts" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale Hawk, Some images of your Hawken(s) would, I'm certain, be enjoyed by many. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale > want some pictures of my original flint--- > nuff said--- > hawk > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:08:07 +1200 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale Hi I just clicked back on the web page where the Hawken was advertised ( Antique Guns . Com's news letter )and found a pistol, a search could not find the Hawken, maybe we scared the seller off by asking too many questions Dunc Auckland, New Zealand - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:54:16 -0600 From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firewood on 10/2/02 10:03 PM, Wynn & Gretchen Ormond at leona3@sourceoneinternet.com wrote: > Ole wrote >> I got 40 cords of wood you can have for free if you come pick it up, all > dry >> some oak, cedar, pine. > > Ole > I have several sources that I get wood from I just have to cut it etc but I > will keep you in mind. I love a good fire on a cold night. I try to make > the stove the center of my home instead of the TV that seems to dominate > most homes. > > Wynn Ormond > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Wynn, I need to get rid of this wood or haul it to the land fill. Ole - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:12:26 -0500 From: "windwalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale > Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 02:48:00 -0400 > From: hawknest4@juno.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > ReplyTo: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale > > want some pictures of my original flint--- > nuff said--- > hawk Hey Hawk Hope all is well there. On the Hawken issue.. Id highly advise not posting public pictures of it.Or posting on the web. UNLESS you are selling it. Remember the "St Louis Problems"???? True bona file Classics have a problem of coming up missing, once made public.... I would think you would know that. Unless one has security of Ft Knox. Even posting a picture period, will in time have the arm posted all over internet. And thus make it a easy target Think twice Before you post any pictures... As you know I have a original, and i wont even consider posting, to anyplace, nor will let its location be known. I think you follow my drift on this, or you should. And Id advise anyone NOT to post info of this type on a PUBLIC forum.. hmm Several years ago a collector had some shall we say famous early guns, and made it public knowledge as to location, condition and included pictures... Those arms came up missing.. never to be found.....as of yet This ring a bell Hawk???? Windwalker > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET > INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:59:34 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firewood In a message dated 10/3/02 7:54:16 AM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: << I need to get rid of this wood or haul it to the land fill. Ole >> You can land fill it out in my pasture Dick James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:24:40 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale We ain't that good, Dunc. The time limit (set by the seller, I suppose) expired last night. Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Macready" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale > Hi I just clicked back on the web page where the Hawken was advertised ( > Antique Guns . Com's news letter )and found a pistol, a search could not > find the Hawken, maybe we scared the seller off by asking too many > questions > > Dunc > Auckland, New Zealand > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:30:45 -0700 From: Alan Avery Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Original Hawken for sale "...We ain't that good, Dunc. The time limit (set by the seller, I suppose) expired last night. Lanney..." So I take it that all of the members of this list managed to resist the temptation to lay out 14 grand for it eh? Black Knife - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:33:32 -0700 From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: Daniel L. "Concho" Smith This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C26BDC.ECB0EBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With sadness, I pass on the following.... - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Buck Conner ~ LenapeSociety ~ AmericanMountainMen ~=20 Let it me known that Daniel L. "Concho" Smith has moved to the other = side as of early this morning 10/04/2002. Remembered for his witt, = craftsmanship and the always present smile ready to sing you a song or = play a tune. Many knew him as "Concho" with no other name in the F&I War = to Fur Trade circles from Colorado to many sites heading East. A man of many talents, smithing to quill work, several on this list wear = his wares made over a 30 year period. A regular at Ft.deChartre, Bent's, = Ft. Osage and many western events that expanded into the furtherest = northern points in resent years. A Pennsylvania, Missouri and Colorado = muzzle loading Champion many times over, best know in the 80's for his = long string of 50 - 5X's at major events in the states mentioned as well = as other contests of one's skills. With a mild manner, there was another side that most know little of from = years gone bye, a Navy Seal from Seal Team One, having won a Purple = Heart and the Navy Cross for his work in Nam in the early 60's, there = making association with the late Ben "Capt.Hook" Thompson, also of the = same unit. A friend of Charles Hanson, Jr., may all our brothers be breaking bread = as you read this last post for an old friend. A member of the original "Outhouse Gang" of Colorado, which seems to be = slowly going to the other side, the old saying about the good one's go = first is starting to "ring" true. . Ben F. "Capt.Hook" Thompson craftsman, researcher . Dick "Keelboat" Whitmer * gun builder, researcher . Harvey "Plenty Whiskey" Wood * researcher, craftsman . Dick "Pony Tracks" Spencer * publisher, researcher . David L. "Brass Turtle" Sample * trader, researcher . John "Step" Musike lawman, researcher Barry "Buck" Conner * trader, researcher . Gary "Slim" Slivers US Army pilot, researcher Kermit "Powderhawk" Trustem craftsman, researcher . Daniel L. "Concho" Smith researcher, craftsman . Lee R. "Turtle" Boyer researcher, teacher - -------------------------------- . Original "members" from the mid 60's through the 80's that have passed = on. * AMM Brothers Thank you for your time and a chance to remember our friend "Concho". Take care, Buck Conner=20 AMM Free Trapper - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C26BDC.ECB0EBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Let it me known that Daniel L. "Concho" Smith has = moved to the=20 other side as of early this morning 10/04/2002. Remembered for his witt, = craftsmanship and the always present smile ready to sing you a song or = play a=20 tune. Many knew him as "Concho" with no other name in the F&I War to = Fur=20 Trade circles from Colorado to many sites heading = East.

A man of many talents, smithing to quill work, = several on=20 this list wear his wares made over a 30 year period. A regular at = Ft.deChartre,=20 Bent's, Ft. Osage and many western events that expanded into the = furtherest=20 northern points in resent years. A Pennsylvania, Missouri and Colorado = muzzle=20 loading Champion many times over, best know in the 80=92s for his long = string of=20 50 - 5X=92s at major events in the states mentioned as well as other = contests of=20 one=92s skills.

With a mild manner, there was another side that = most know=20 little of from years gone bye, a Navy Seal from Seal Team One, having = won a=20 Purple Heart and the Navy Cross for his work in Nam in the early 60's, = there=20 making association with the late Ben "Capt.Hook" Thompson, also of the = same=20 unit.

A friend of Charles Hanson, Jr., may all our = brothers be=20 breaking bread as you read this last post for an old friend.

A member of the original "Outhouse Gang" of = Colorado, which=20 seems to be slowly going to the other side, the old saying about the = good one=92s=20 go first is starting to "ring" true.

=95 Ben F. "Capt.Hook" Thompson craftsman,=20 researcher

=95 Dick "Keelboat" Whitmer * gun builder,=20 researcher

=95 Harvey "Plenty Whiskey" Wood * researcher,=20 craftsman

=95 Dick "Pony Tracks" Spencer * publisher,=20 researcher

=95 David L. "Brass Turtle" Sample * trader,=20 researcher

=95 John "Step" Musike lawman, = researcher

Barry "Buck" Conner * trader, = researcher

=95 Gary "Slim" Slivers US Army pilot,=20 researcher

Kermit "Powderhawk" Trustem craftsman, = researcher

=95 Daniel L. "Concho" Smith researcher, = craftsman

=95 Lee R. "Turtle" Boyer researcher, = teacher

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=95 Original "members" from the mid 60=92s through = the 80=92s that=20 have passed on.

          =             &= nbsp;       *=20 AMM Brothers

Thank you for your time and a chance to remember our = friend=20 "Concho".

Take care,
Buck Conner

AMM Free Trapper

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