From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1108 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 10 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1108 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Canoe Gun -       Re: MtMan-List: Canoe Gun -       Fw: MtMan-List: gun waiting -       MtMan-List: The Jesuit Relations: Index -       MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions -       MtMan-List: wood canteens -       MtMan-List: Fair Oaks Sutler -       Re: MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions -       Re: MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions -       Re: MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions -       Re: MtMan-List: Canoe Gun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:14:31 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canoe Gun Magpie, It was actually my friends cousin who found the barrel. I don't know his cousins name however. I think the guy was from Great Falls though. I'm sure there's a lot of them out there though. Beaverboy > In a message dated 11/6/02 11:36:51 AM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: > > << A friend of mine recently found a length of trade gun barrel along > > the banks of the Teton River here in Montana >> > > Beaverboy..... that sounds like the one Walt Foster showed me a while > back in Billings... was that the one you saw??? I thought it was > pretty darn neat too! > > Magpie > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:57:33 -0700 From: "Angela Gottfred" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canoe Gun Allen Chronister almont@mt.net wrote: <> Most e-mail lists only allow text to be posted, because it keeps the bandwidth low and makes it impossible for viruses to be passed on wholesale, to all list members. You could post a picture to the Yahoo list I created to make a readily-searchable archive of this list; go to www.groups.yahoo.com/group/MtMan/join to join the group and then you can post pictures to the group's picture area. Anyone can join the MtMan list at Yahoo, and then use the Yahoo tools for interactive group bookmarks, files, pictures, and a calendar. And, of course, you can search all the archived digests from MtMan for things like socks. Your very humble & most obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:21:36 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: gun waiting Frank, I've seen a lot of original flintlocks in museums and I mean a lot of them, and I have still not seen one with a vent liner. Coincedence? I don't think so. BB >> There were very few originals made with vent liners. Vent liners were only used on the very finest quality guns, Mantons, Nocks, Becks, and so forth. But most of the touch holes in guns without vent liners were huge by todays standards. Our guns usually have touch holes that measure roughly 1/16" to 5/64" where most of theirs were 3/32" to nearly 1/8". It takes a hole that big to get consistent ignition with only a hole drilled in the side of the barrel. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:08:52 -0500 (EST) From: TheGreyWolfe@webtv.net (The Grey Wolfe) Subject: MtMan-List: The Jesuit Relations: Index - --WebTV-Mail-32121-164 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit This is very interesting with lots of ref. to clothing and equipage for you early fur trade folks!!! Y.M.O.S. M.A.Smith Click Below: - --WebTV-Mail-32121-164 X-URL-Title: The Jesuit Relations: Index Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/relations/ - --WebTV-Mail-32121-164-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:08:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions I have been reading the trade gun letters with some interest, and have a few opinions of my own to throw out there. I agree that $700 for a factory made trade gun seems high, though Pedersoli does make a good quality product, but as for it being like 15,000 others being a depriment weren't the originals all made as close to each other as possible? They were individualized by the owners after purchase. Of course if you can get a custom or semi custom gun for about the same money from a known maker it might shoot a bit better, and the pride that goes with owning such a gun has got to be worth something. Regarding touch hole liners, what would you do with a touch hole that was burned out-throw the gun away? It seems like a natural thing to repair it, and a liner is the quickest way to do that. Don't forget, these guns were used a lot more than most of us will ever use ours, and were of a much softer metal than the barrels used today. Just a couple of thoughts, take 'em or leave 'em. DOG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:14:39 -0800 From: "PoorBoy" Subject: MtMan-List: wood canteens This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C287FA.576B51A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Klahowya Friends; First, thank you to Frank, Lee, Wynn, and Scott for the responses. It = would appear that this wooden drum canteen, as well as the leather and = gourd styles did exist and would in fact be period correct. Since there = are also a few listed as getting to the mountains I would think them = appropriate. I agree that there are more references to using kettles = and stomachs as water containers than canteens for the early Rocky = Mountain Fur Trade. Therefore my conclusion is thus: I will continue = to use my leather canteen, I am going to make as similar one for my = wife and attempt to line it with a modern food safe resin instead of a = pitch lining, and see if this will work for my wife. If it does not = then the wooden drum canteen with plastic liner will be my next try. = There may not have been a lot of canteens in the Rockies 1790-1840, but = I know they are more correct than water filters, which we all should be = using. I have posted a photo of the wooden canteen with plastic liner = on Angela's yahoo board, for those of you who are interested. It is = available from Dennis Boettcher of Fair Oaks Sutler (540)972-7744 for = $44.95 plus shipping. PoorBoy - ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C287FA.576B51A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Klahowya Friends;
 
First, thank you to Frank, Lee, Wynn, = and Scott for=20 the responses. It would appear that this wooden drum canteen, as = well as=20 the leather and gourd styles did exist and would in fact be period=20 correct.  Since there are also a few listed as getting to the = mountains I=20 would think them appropriate.  I agree that there are more = references to=20 using kettles and stomachs as water containers than canteens for the = early Rocky=20 Mountain Fur Trade.  Therefore my conclusion is thus:  I will = continue=20 to use my leather canteen,  I am going to make as similar one for = my wife=20 and attempt to line it with a modern food safe resin instead of a pitch = lining,=20 and see if this will work for my wife.  If it does not then the = wooden drum=20 canteen with plastic liner will be my next try.  There may not have = been a=20 lot of canteens in the Rockies 1790-1840, but I know they are more = correct than=20 water filters, which we all should be using.  I have posted a photo = of the=20 wooden canteen with plastic liner on Angela's yahoo board, for those of = you who=20 are interested.  It is available from Dennis Boettcher of Fair Oaks = Sutler=20 (540)972-7744 for $44.95 plus shipping.
PoorBoy
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C287FA.D5B26FD0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:03:37 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions - --part1_11d.1a0e82f5.2afefc59_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could anyone on the list let me know if they've heard from Mike Pierce "Hawk" recently? Needed to get in touch with him by E-Mail, but things are bouncing back saying his mailbox is full. Anyone??????? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - --part1_11d.1a0e82f5.2afefc59_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could anyone on the list let me know if they've heard from Mike Pierce
"Hawk" recently?     Needed to get in touch with him by E-Mail, but
things are bouncing back saying his mailbox is full.    Anyone???????

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 - --part1_11d.1a0e82f5.2afefc59_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:40:39 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions I got an email from him abot 10 days ago... hopefully he is coming to W Va deer hunting in a couple of weeks or so. Haven't heard from him since then.. Regards, Ad Miller - ----- Original Message ----- > Could anyone on the list let me know if they've heard from Mike Pierce > "Hawk" recently? Needed to get in touch with him by E-Mail, but > things are bouncing back saying his mailbox is full. Anyone??????? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:41:16 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade Gun Opinions I spoke with him on the phone a week or so ago, he was real busy getting ready for - tada -HUNTING SEASON. Bout now I reckon he's off dispatching various fauna. It is critically important product research he's doing. John... At 06:03 PM 11/9/02, you wrote: >Could anyone on the list let me know if they've heard from Mike Pierce >"Hawk" recently? Needed to get in touch with him by E-Mail, but >things are bouncing back saying his mailbox is full. Anyone??????? > >Traphand >Rick Petzoldt >Traphand@aol.com ========================================== John Adams, Second President of the United States: "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." These rights are enshrined in our precious Bill of Rights. Without them we are essentially slaves - powerless property of the state. ============================================= - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:55:05 -0700 From: Allen Chronister Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canoe Gun Apparently this list does not allow posting of pictures, which is to bad. If anyone wants a photo of a Pawnee man carrying a cut down trade gun contact me and I'll forward it to you. Allen Chronister beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: > Magpie, > It was actually my friends cousin who found the barrel. I don't know > his cousins name however. I think the guy was from Great Falls though. I'm > sure there's a lot of them out there though. > Beaverboy > > In a message dated 11/6/02 11:36:51 AM, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: > > > > << A friend of mine recently found a length of trade gun barrel along > > > > the banks of the Teton River here in Montana >> > > > > Beaverboy..... that sounds like the one Walt Foster showed me a while > > back in Billings... was that the one you saw??? I thought it was > > pretty darn neat too! > > > > Magpie > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1108 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.