From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1113 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, November 25 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1113 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       MtMan-List: goods for sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? -       MtMan-List: Site Update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:26:14 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? Yes, L&C even had scissors with them on their expedition. Scissors along with the better knives came from Sheffield, England. These were scissors almost identical to modern ones only they were polished steel not chromed or whatever they use nowadays. I was given a gift of a pair of handmade scissors "Shedfield Made" with the files marks visible and they are very sharp. "Sheffield made" scissors can be purchased from the Fort Union National Historical Site trade room. You can find them on the internet under Fort Union, North Dakota. Sincerely, BB > Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT > era? > As Ever, > M. > > http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:36:02 -0700 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? Scissors were a big trade item. There were generally two types. The English or Sheffield type which were the most common. They look like modern scissors accept the finger holes are round and of equal size. These were polished steel. Then there were the Chinese scissors that are so popular at rendezvous today. They are the black ones with the big finger loops that look like gardening scissors. The Chinese had been around a long time, but were not as common as they are today. There were also shears available, which came in a variety of sizes and look like sheep shears. The extant examples of scissors are predominantly the English scissors with very few of the Chinese style. YMOS Bead Shooter - ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Grey Wolfe" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Scissors? > Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT > era? > As Ever, > M. > > http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:15:53 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? Gene, Do those Chinese scissors come from Wal-Mart? L&C show 15 dozen scissors on their list of indian presents. BB > Scissors were a big trade item. There were generally two types. The > English or Sheffield type which were the most common. They look like > modern scissors accept the finger holes are round and of equal size. > These were polished steel. Then there were the Chinese scissors that > are so popular at rendezvous today. They are the black ones with the > big finger loops that look like gardening scissors. The Chinese had > been around a long time, but were not as common as they are today. > There were also shears available, which came in a variety of sizes and > look like sheep shears. The extant examples of scissors are > predominantly the English scissors with very few of the Chinese style. > > YMOS > Bead Shooter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Grey Wolfe" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:34 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: Scissors? > > >> Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT >> era? >> As Ever, >> M. >> >> http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: >> http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:23:54 -0700 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? They bought the scissors from the same source as the Sheffield knives. That and the fact that there are so few extant Chinese scissors compared to the many many English scissors we conclude that they very likely had English scissors. Bead - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Do those Chinese scissors come from Wal-Mart? L&C show 15 dozen scissors on their list of indian presents. > BB - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:26:21 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? Beadshooter, You just can't make broad sweeping statements -- nearly always they're wrong. You're close, there were a lot of imported plain & fine scissors with round loops. Not all. A wide variety of large scissors and shears were made as well as many with elongated loops far earlier than any period relevant to this list. The China trade was well established by the early 19th Century, tea and porcelain were widely disbursed I've no doubt a few pair of scissors and a lot more went along for the ride. Naturally English products dominate as they were the dominate trade partner and population centers were on the East coast. I have on exhibit in the AMM collection at The Museum of The Mountainman in Pinedale, WY a fine pair of blacksmith made period scissors. About 5-6" blades, a nice general sewing size with loops. They are beautifully done, Rick Guthrie made a set a bunch of years ago and I think Fiddlin' Red made a pair or two as well. Not all shears looked like sheep shears. I have a period bench shear with no rings or loops of any kind, one handle is straight the other has a bend pounded to a spike to drive into a bench to aid mounting. I also have smaller shears that look more like modern scissors only really big. Candle snifters were also made with both ring and loop styles. Most of the useful all-metal scissors and shears made today have earlier style counterparts. The round nose scissors we used in grade school in 1950 were identical to a standard pattern Sheffield style I can solidly place in the very early 1800's. Scissors required a much higher level of skill than necessary to make knives, swords, axes, and such. A manufactory making scissors in the early 19th century was cutting edge technology that helped lead us into the industrial revolution. Needle makers were very influential as well. Not only can most people not sharpen scissors properly; far fewer yet can make good ones. Only the most talented smiths ever even try to make scissors. A few of those succeed. John... At 12:36 PM 11/23/02, you wrote: >Scissors were a big trade item. There were generally two types. The English >or Sheffield type which were the most common. They look like modern scissors >accept the finger holes are round and of equal size. These were polished >steel. Then there were the Chinese scissors that are so popular at >rendezvous today. They are the black ones with the big finger loops that >look like gardening scissors. The Chinese had been around a long time, but >were not as common as they are today. There were also shears available, >which came in a variety of sizes and look like sheep shears. The extant >examples of scissors are predominantly the English scissors with very few of >the Chinese style. > >YMOS >Bead Shooter > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The Grey Wolfe" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:34 AM >Subject: MtMan-List: Scissors? > > > > Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT > > era? > > As Ever, > > M. > > > > http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin 1759 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:58:40 EST From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: goods for sale - --part1_178.124153e8.2b12f9f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have available for shipment: *hand woven Hemp garters dyed in pecan hulls with braintan tabs and ties. $28.00 *Hand sewn 3-4 ounce veg. tanned leather shot containers small(holds about 12 shots of 70 grains of 7.5 shot) $12.00 each. *Hand sewn leather wallets, wallet is made of 7-8 oz. veg. tan leather with 2 pockets made of 3-4 oz. leather. (one left in natural leather color, another in dark brown) $28.00 each *Hand sewn 7-8 ounce veg. tanned leather shot containers medium (holds about 17 shots of 70 grains of 7.5 shot)$19.00 each *leather canteens two round shaped, one heart shaped, hand sewn with linen thread, lined with a mixture of beeswax/pitch,leather carrying strap, holds about 6-8 cups. $70 each. each items price includes shipping and handling. no pictures available just yet....please email off-list for inquiries Frank Sablan Midland,Texas coming soon hand knitted socks mid-calf length and wool caps ..pics available soon on the knitted items - --part1_178.124153e8.2b12f9f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have available for shipment:
*hand woven Hemp garters dyed in pecan hulls with braintan tabs and ties. $28.00
*Hand sewn 3-4 ounce veg. tanned leather shot containers small(holds about 12 shots of 70 grains of 7.5 shot) $12.00 each.
*Hand sewn leather wallets, wallet is made of 7-8 oz. veg. tan leather with 2 pockets made of 3-4 oz. leather. (one left in natural leather color, another in dark brown) $28.00 each
*Hand sewn 7-8 ounce veg. tanned leather shot containers medium (holds about 17 shots of 70 grains of 7.5 shot)$19.00 each
*leather canteens two round shaped, one heart shaped, hand sewn with linen thread, lined with a mixture of beeswax/pitch,leather carrying strap, holds about 6-8 cups. $70 each.

each items price includes shipping and handling.

no pictures available just yet....please email off-list for inquiries

Frank Sablan
Midland,Texas

coming soon hand knitted socks mid-calf length and wool caps ..pics available soon on the knitted items
 - --part1_178.124153e8.2b12f9f0_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:34:26 -0500 From: manbear Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? - --------------B8738BFE3BCD83114C0ACE43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just came across these on Ebay and thought someone here might be interested. Manbear http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=737773971 beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: > Yes, L&C even had scissors with them on their expedition. Scissors > along with the better knives came from Sheffield, England. These were > scissors almost identical to modern ones only they were polished steel not > chromed or whatever they use nowadays. I was given a gift of a pair of > handmade scissors "Shedfield Made" with the files marks visible and they > are very sharp. "Sheffield made" scissors can be purchased from the Fort > Union National Historical Site trade room. You can find them on the > internet under Fort Union, North Dakota. > Sincerely, > BB > > > Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT > > era? > > As Ever, > > M. > > > > http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------B8738BFE3BCD83114C0ACE43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just came across these on Ebay and thought someone here might be interested.
Manbear
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=737773971

beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:

   Yes, L&C even had scissors with them on their expedition. Scissors
along with the better knives came from Sheffield, England. These were
scissors almost identical to modern ones only they were polished steel not
chromed or whatever they use nowadays. I was given a gift of a pair of
handmade scissors "Shedfield Made" with the files marks visible and they
are very sharp. "Sheffield made" scissors can be purchased from the Fort
Union National Historical Site trade room. You can find them on the
internet under Fort Union, North Dakota.
         Sincerely,
                 BB

> Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT
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- --------------B8738BFE3BCD83114C0ACE43-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:25:44 -0700 From: Allen Chronister Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? Yes. Allen Chronister The Grey Wolfe wrote: > Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT > era? > As Ever, > M. > > http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:08:45 -0800 From: "Prince, John" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? Date sent: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:25:44 -0700 From: Allen Chronister To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scissors? Send reply to: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Yes. > Allen Chronister > > The Grey Wolfe wrote: > > > Were scissors used and traded in the RMFT > > era? > > As Ever, > I reckon that this was "cutting edge" technoology amongst the trappers :) Two Feathers - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:09:05 -0500 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Site Update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C29494.98832F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A couple of new butchers on the site along with a couple other knives. http://www.bright.net/~deforge1/ Thanks D - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C29494.98832F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A couple of new butchers on the site = along with a=20 couple other knives.
http://www.bright.net/~deforge1= /
Thanks
D
 
 
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