From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1123 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, December 14 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1123 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Muzzleloading shotgun loading -       Re: MtMan-List: Re-enactors -       Re: MtMan-List: Re-enactors -       Re: MtMan-List: Muzzleloading shotgun loading -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors -       MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. -       MtMan-List: Off Topic Thoughts -       MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... -       Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. -       Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... -       Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... -       MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats -       Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats -       Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats -       Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats -       Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. -       Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... -       Re: MtMan-List: turning to threats -       Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:09:05 -0800 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Muzzleloading shotgun loading Scott, The arch punches sold through "Findings" suppliers carry excellent Osborne arch punches that are very much like early wad punches, pick the size you need. I've never used pre-made or home punched wads in my musket. I take scraps of buckskin, cut to small squares, awl punch a hole in the middle, and string them on a rawhide whang that hangs from my shooting bag. I usually have one string greased up and one string dry. It works fast to pull off and use the few you need. John... At 12:40 PM 12/10/02, you wrote: >Dave, >Do you know where I could get a wad punch? And even if they sold them with >cased guns, would it be common for someone living on the frontier to have >cut wadding? > > Dios, Libertad y Tejas > Scott McMahon > S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. > > "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be > forgotten. Not any sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well > armed: each man has one or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, > a sword, and every man a rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." > General Ethan Allen Hitchcock "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin 1759 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:31:47 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re-enactors > The jurors stated that since he didn't > distill his own spirits it really wasn't "period"! I pointed out that > the distallation of hard liquor is a federal crime to which the > response was "Oh really?" > > Two Feathers It's only a crime if you SELL distilled spirits. Most states I know of alow you to make "X" of gallons per year for your own use and consumption. I make about 25 gls of Mead every year for various events. Granted, this is not by "distillation" but it is still home-made hooch. If that was the reason your friend lost the competetion, however, perhaps the judges should get a life!!! Regards, Ad - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:41:51 -0800 From: "Prince, John" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re-enactors > > > It's only a crime if you SELL distilled spirits. Most states I know > of alow you to make "X" of gallons per year for your own use and > consumption. I make about 25 gls of Mead every year for various > events. Granted, this is not by "distillation" but it is still > home-made hooch. If that was the reason your friend lost the > competetion, however, perhaps the judges should get a life!!! > > Regards, > > Ad I make mead also, among other brew, but I what I was refering to was "hard" liquour [whiskey, "white lightening", etc]. Being of Scot desent and married into an Irish family it's a crime NOT to make some type of brew! People would talk! Two Feathers - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:01:59 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Muzzleloading shotgun loading > Do you know where I could get a wad punch? Any of the sources others have listed, Tandy, Dixie, and probably TOTW. You can also make your own if you can find a piece of heavy-wall tubing or pipe with the correct ID. Polish the inside with emory on a dowel rod, cut out 1/2 the diameter in the center to extract them from, and solder a bolt in the top to hammer on. Then file the tip to a bevel-edge for cutting and sharpen it with a stone. >And even if they sold them with > cased guns, would it be common for someone living on the frontier to have > cut wadding? Factor's guns are frequently documented and these were usually "Best" guns made by one of the English makers. The Factor of the Illinois Brigade in 1814 carried a double barreled gun by J. Manton. Best guns usually came cased with all the tools and accouterments. While I have seen the above documented, I have seen no reference that they cut their own wads, but they certainly had the stuff to do it with. I doubt that the common voyageur/trapper carried one though, because of the price disparity in wages between the two. Such a person, if he carried a lower grade gun, probably relied on whatever was available.......speculation, of course. On the other hand, doubles were widely available during the post 1800 time period. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:43:19 EST From: BADITUDE1@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors - --part1_c8.3187e1b7.2b27c807_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Pat, very well stated!! JR. - --part1_c8.3187e1b7.2b27c807_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thank you Pat, very well stated!!

                                     JR. - --part1_c8.3187e1b7.2b27c807_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:11:25 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors - --part1_16e.18514a68.2b27eabd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well Guys, Let me tell you something about both AMM and the re-enactors. Being a menber of the AMM back in the 80's we had some great doins. But some were not the greatest doins either, they were more like camping at a KOA. Now don't take offense, it might have just been the best location they could get at the time. I think that what we have to do is learn from one another's groups----both the AMM and the re-enactor groups. Now when you were referring to the re-enactors, are you referring to the guys at rendezvous who never change or improve upon their personna? Or are we referring to the guys who go and do more military/militia type re-enactments? For if you have been through the military/militia type re-enacting and you were with a good group of re-enactors you would find yourserlf with a very historically knowledgeable group who shared this knowledge with their members. You would learn why the military did things in certain ways. For instance, advancing under fire. If you were living in that time period you would have been expected to be a member of the militia if you weren't a member of the military, even if you ended up finding yourself being a fur-trapper in the 1820's I've attended re-enactments where I was ashamed to actually wake up the first morning and see the non-authenticity going on. Naturally, I high-tailed it out ASAP. But I've been at plenty of rendezvous, military/militia re-enactments, etc. where I was thrilled with the knowledge I obtained and the people I was surrounded by. On the other hand, some of the AMM events were not worth my time especially ones where they chose to come off as too good to help educate others around them --even the ones that were doing a really historically accurate job. So don't bash the re-enactors, or take anything personally regardless of which group or groups you belong to. I think the best personna a person could have would be one from the military standpoint and from the AMM standpoint since I've been in both. I've slept in the snow, trapped in the ice (and fallen through a few times), attended great "Group" events, attended great "non-group historically accurate private doins", etc. Obviously, his is just an old man's crazy feelings on the subject.......... Lets get along, share our knowledge, and work together to better this list and our understanding of each other. Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - --part1_16e.18514a68.2b27eabd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well Guys,
                 Let me tell you something about both AMM and the re-enactors.
Being a menber of the AMM back in the 80's we had some great doins.
But some were not the greatest doins either,  they were more like camping
at a KOA.    Now don't take offense,  it might have just been the best
location they could get at the time.

I think that what we have to do is learn from one another's groups----both
the AMM and the re-enactor groups.   

Now when you were referring to the re-enactors,  are you referring to the
guys at rendezvous who never change or improve upon their personna?
Or are we referring to the guys who go and do more military/militia type
re-enactments?

For if you have been through the military/militia type re-enacting and you
were with a good group of re-enactors you would find yourserlf with a
very historically knowledgeable group who shared this knowledge with
their members.    You would learn why the military did things in certain
ways.     For instance,  advancing under fire.     If you were living in that
time period you would have been expected to be a member of the militia
if you weren't a member of the military, even if you ended up finding
yourself being a fur-trapper in the 1820's

I've attended re-enactments where I was ashamed to actually wake up the
first morning and see the non-authenticity going on.   Naturally, I high-tailed
it out ASAP.     But I've been at plenty of rendezvous,  military/militia
re-enactments, etc. where I was thrilled with the knowledge I obtained and
the people I was surrounded by.     On the other hand,  some of the AMM
events were not worth my time especially ones where they chose to come
off as too good to help educate others around them --even the ones that were
doing a really historically accurate job.    

So don't bash the re-enactors,  or take anything personally regardless of
which group or groups you belong to.     I think the best personna a person
could have would be one from the military standpoint and from the AMM
standpoint since I've been in both.    I've slept in the snow,  trapped in the
ice (and fallen through a few times),    attended great "Group" events,
attended great "non-group historically accurate private doins", etc.

Obviously,  his is just an old man's crazy feelings on the subject..........
Lets get along,  share our knowledge,  and work together to better this
list and our understanding of each other.

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 - --part1_16e.18514a68.2b27eabd_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:29:47 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors Dennis Miles wrote: > "I would still be glad to get on the ground with him sometime." > > >>No, you wouldn't, he smells funny.. And I don't mean "ha ha".. Now there is absolutely no call for going all off and personally attacking someone like this. This kind of shameful attack is barbaric. I would still be happy to get on the ground with him I don't care what you say. Now lets get on to a new topic. Does anyone have documentation on a good pair of authentic nose plugs? Sorry couldn't resist Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:50:41 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. In a message dated 12/9/02 10:28:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes: << As Ive said thread closed.... As you are not NA... you have no idea As for a vet??? I see you are not one.... Move on thread closed... go flame elsewhere you totally miss the concept of what was explaned and go on ranting about YOUR rights and GUNS.... as I said thread closed. >> I have been reading this thread with some interest, then amusement. Now, I would think that a fighter who has savvy enough to survive 3 tours of combat duty (at least that is what it sounded like in the post) would know enough to realize he simply cannot claim anything open or closed. Windwalker, you simply do not have that authority nor power. You are not a moderator and you do not have that much say-so. Your words and thoughts show that you are as much an unaka as anyone reading this...at least in your heart. Diganeli, gatvgi nihi woni. Da tsiwoni nv. Sge diganeli !! The wise older warrior does not need to yell nor brag about his deeds. That would take the honor from those actions. Please, if you are to act this way do not tell others you are Native. Or if you do, please tell them which tribe so that we all do not have to share the shame of your words. The path in life for a Native is hard enough without your adding stones ahead of us. - -Tsegu (Jaybird) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Off Topic Thoughts Amen, Bro. John K. and Bro. Pat Q. Beautiful words - sublimely eloquent and powerfully written!!! Two minds inspired by the ONE MIND of The Great Spirit Father and His Only Begotten Son. Is Canada on the Eve of a New Birth of Freedom such as what happened in 1867? Become a Life Member in the NRA. Become a Life Member in the NMLRA. Become a Life Member in GOA. If you had the power to re-make the movie Jeremiah Johnson, what would you change in it to make it Period Perfect ? (besides changing the obvious time frame error of ~1848). Time to be quiet again and read. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:15:43 +0000 From: "scott mcmahon" Subject: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... List, I may have asked this before BUT... Has anyone come up with a really suitable method of carrying a longarm on horseback? I tried the horn loops... don't like them, the gun bounces/flops to much and I think it puts extra, unneccesary pressure on the horses' withers. I tried slinging it but where I ride(read as South Texas brush country) it gets tangled in the mesquite. I tried carrying it across my lap and have been sticking with this method but am still not 100% satisfied with it. I've read of (here I go again) rangers swinging down off the sides of their mounts and doing all sorts of acrobatic riding during battles as well as demonstrations... if you are carrying a longarm where does it go during all of this? I've read accounts of rangers carrying their rifles in Mexico(1846-49) hanging/tied to the sides of their saddles. I had always thought rifle scabbards(which is how I presume a rifle hangs from the side of a saddle?) weren't used until later on?! Any comments from fellow horsetrekkers? Dios, Libertad y Tejas Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." General Ethan Allen Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:26:02 -0600 From: Windwalker Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. On Tuesday 10 December 2002 21:50, HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/9/02 10:28:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > windwalker@fastmail.fm writes: > > << As Ive said thread closed.... As you are not NA... you have no idea > As for a vet??? I see you are not one.... > Move on thread closed... go flame elsewhere you totally miss the conce= pt > of what was explaned and go on ranting about YOUR rights and GUNS.... a= s I > said thread closed. >> > > I have been reading this thread with some interest, then amusement. > > Now, I would think that a fighter who has savvy enough to survive 3 tou= rs > of combat duty (at least that is what it sounded like in the post) woul= d > know enough to realize he simply cannot claim anything open or closed. > Windwalker, you simply do not have that authority nor power. You are n= ot a > moderator and you do not have that much say-so. > Your words and thoughts show that you are as much an unaka as anyone > reading this...at least in your heart. > > Diganeli, gatvgi nihi woni. Da tsiwoni nv. Sge diganeli !! The wise > older warrior does not need to yell nor brag about his deeds. That wou= ld > take the honor from those actions. Please, if you are to act this way = do > not tell others you are Native. Or if you do, please tell them which t= ribe > so that we all do not have to share the shame of your words. The path = in > life for a Native is hard enough without your adding stones ahead of us= =2E > > -Tsegu (Jaybird) > the tread was closed till a ASS hole opened it back up with a flame and Athabascan if you must know Id highly lay off.....All was quiet till you started it back up.. and if = thats=20 cherokee.. your words are wrong. Sam Windwalker > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --=20 Note: Anything that appears to be an error in spelling or grammar is actu= ally=20 the author's clever use of the vernacular, and thus is a carefully placed= =20 literary device that demonstrates his writing prowess. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:28:07 +0000 From: "scott mcmahon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... I've read accounts of rangers carrying their rifles in Mexico(1846-49) hanging/tied to the sides of their saddles. Sorry, that was supposed to be 1846-1848... not 49! Not that it matters, just don't like leaving mistakes like that. SMc _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:46:50 -0800 From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... > Has anyone come up with a really suitable method of carrying a longarm on > horseback? Scott I too am waiting with interest. I still carry my shortened Tennessee off the right side of the horn... where it sticks me in the gut when things get "interesting". If it was a full long gun, it would tangle my saddle horse's legs. I liked the cavalry (military) style of carrying it on a over-the-shoulder leather sling off the side, big snap onto a ring on the side of the gun... but those were short carbine type guns, not the long guns of the latter 1700's and early 1800's. My least favorite is the across the saddle method, it impairs a hand sometimes needed to handle the pack stock... and I'm always trailing animals when under saddle it seems... I never tried the sling method.. up here you'd be suspended betwixt two trees right quick. Just don't think there is a "best" way... they are all awkward... comes down to which method is the least annoying I reckon.... No help here I guess Regards Lee Newbill of North Idaho AMM# 1821 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:57:36 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats Windwalker wrote: << the tread was closed till a ASS hole opened it back up with a flame and Athabascan if you must know Id highly lay off.....All was quiet till you started it back up.. Sam Windwalker>> > ---------------------- >> <<""One more flame from you on the forum and I go after getting you removed from your server Now push and see.....">> Gentleman and Ladies of the List, I received the above threat from Sam Windwalker after posting my message. He accused me of "flaming" though I thought my request was succint and heartfelt. In his reply to the list, he used foul language - yet accuses me of flaming. Was wondering if any of you else out there got such a message or was I the only one afforded such an honor? Sounds as if Windwalker can dish it out but simply cannot take it. By the way, Sam, e-copies and hard copies of your list of passages and replies on the list and to me personally (clearly showing your tone and intent to cause trouble) have been saved and the ISP source and your address determined in the event they are "needed" in the future. Now I am telling you that I will not accept your threats idly. I do KNOW my rights and the laws regarding those type of threats. You just may want to see the size of the dog you are about to poke with a stick before you do so...it is too late to holler "enough" once it bites you back. Think on it. It was tried to be let known to you in a nice way, sir. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:18:32 -0600 From: Windwalker Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats On Tuesday 10 December 2002 22:57, HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > Windwalker wrote: > << the tread was closed till a ASS hole opened it back up with a flame > and Athabascan if you must know > Id highly lay off.....All was quiet till you started it back up.. > Sam Windwalker>> > > > ---------------------- >> > > <<""One more flame from you on the forum and I go after getting you rem= oved > from > your server > > Now push and see.....">> > > Gentleman and Ladies of the List, > I received the above threat from Sam Windwalker after posting my messag= e.=20 > He accused me of "flaming" though I thought my request was succint and > heartfelt. In his reply to the list, he used foul language - yet accus= es > me of flaming. > Was wondering if any of you else out there got such a message or was I = the > only one afforded such an honor? > > Sounds as if Windwalker can dish it out but simply cannot take it. > > By the way, Sam, e-copies and hard copies of your list of passages and > replies on the list and to me personally (clearly showing your tone and > intent to cause trouble) have been saved and the ISP source and your > address determined in the event they are "needed" in the future. Now I= am > telling you that I will not accept your threats idly. I do KNOW my rig= hts > and the laws regarding those type of threats. You just may want to see= the > size of the dog you are about to poke with a stick before you do so...i= t is > too late to holler "enough" once it bites you back. Think on it. It w= as > tried to be let known to you in a nice way, sir. Pandoras box open so save the IPs, makes me no never mind You was warned to drop it - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:45:38 -0800 From: "kc16" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats I think this Windwalker character is either a young immature guy that needs to puff his chest out, or just a big windbag. He has no authority to close a thread on this list. Plus, he is the one who is chiefly throwing insults and insinuations. I doubt that he is a Viet Nam veteran, or an Indian. People who have experience typically have no need to flaunt it. And normally have enough honor to not use it like a cheap trump card. I think the best policy for Mr. Windwalker would be the policy of "ignore it and it will go away". Curtis "Blood" Krouse AMM #1651 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats > Windwalker wrote: > << the tread was closed till a ASS hole opened it back up with a flame > and Athabascan if you must know > Id highly lay off.....All was quiet till you started it back up.. > Sam Windwalker>> > > > ---------------------- >> > <<""One more flame from you on the forum and I go after getting you removed > from > your server > > Now push and see.....">> > > Gentleman and Ladies of the List, > I received the above threat from Sam Windwalker after posting my message. He > accused me of "flaming" though I thought my request was succint and > heartfelt. In his reply to the list, he used foul language - yet accuses me > of flaming. > Was wondering if any of you else out there got such a message or was I the > only one afforded such an honor? > > Sounds as if Windwalker can dish it out but simply cannot take it. > > By the way, Sam, e-copies and hard copies of your list of passages and > replies on the list and to me personally (clearly showing your tone and > intent to cause trouble) have been saved and the ISP source and your address > determined in the event they are "needed" in the future. Now I am telling > you that I will not accept your threats idly. I do KNOW my rights and the > laws regarding those type of threats. You just may want to see the size of > the dog you are about to poke with a stick before you do so...it is too late > to holler "enough" once it bites you back. Think on it. It was tried to be > let known to you in a nice way, sir. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:48:16 -0600 From: Windwalker Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. have turned to threats On Tuesday 10 December 2002 22:45, kc16 wrote: > I think this Windwalker character is either a young immature guy that n= eeds > to puff his chest out, or just a big windbag. He has no authority to c= lose > a thread on this list. Plus, he is the one who is chiefly throwing ins= ults > and insinuations. > > I doubt that he is a Viet Nam veteran, or an Indian. People who have > experience typically have no need to flaunt it. And normally have enou= gh > honor to not use it like a cheap trump card. I think the best policy f= or > Mr. Windwalker would be the policy of "ignore it and it will go away". > > Curtis "Blood" Krouse > AMM #1651 The only people flaming on this list are you and that other bozo AMM #1651? You are a fine rep for the group indeed - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:56:06 -0800 From: "kc16" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. Jaybird, Just to let you know....I have enough native friends to know that this guy is not a typical example of one. His dishonorable words and shameful behavior will in no way affect my affections for the people who I have grown very fond of. This Mr. Windbag has convinced me that he is just a miguided juvinile who needs his daddy to whoop him good. Thank you for your kind input sir. Blood AMM #1651 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Windwalker's words. > In a message dated 12/9/02 10:28:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > windwalker@fastmail.fm writes: > > << As Ive said thread closed.... As you are not NA... you have no idea > As for a vet??? I see you are not one.... > Move on thread closed... go flame elsewhere you totally miss the concept of > what was explaned and go on ranting about YOUR rights and GUNS.... > as I said thread closed. >> > > I have been reading this thread with some interest, then amusement. > > Now, I would think that a fighter who has savvy enough to survive 3 tours of > combat duty (at least that is what it sounded like in the post) would know > enough to realize he simply cannot claim anything open or closed. > Windwalker, you simply do not have that authority nor power. You are not a > moderator and you do not have that much say-so. > Your words and thoughts show that you are as much an unaka as anyone reading > this...at least in your heart. > > Diganeli, gatvgi nihi woni. Da tsiwoni nv. Sge diganeli !! The wise older > warrior does not need to yell nor brag about his deeds. That would take the > honor from those actions. Please, if you are to act this way do not tell > others you are Native. Or if you do, please tell them which tribe so that we > all do not have to share the shame of your words. The path in life for a > Native is hard enough without your adding stones ahead of us. > > -Tsegu (Jaybird) > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:44:18 +0000 From: "scott mcmahon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... Mr. Newbill, How exactly do you carry it "off the horn"? SMc _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:46:04 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: turning to threats - --part1_117.1bf7d4b9.2b282b1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At this point and time my best advise to both of you and anyone else that is getting heated up over this Subject line is to find the Delete Key and use it and cool down. This has degenerated far enough and is going no where. Been there done that ain't worth it. Crazy Cyot - --part1_117.1bf7d4b9.2b282b1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At this point and time my best advise to both of you and anyone else that is getting heated up over this Subject line is to find the Delete Key and use it and cool down.
This has degenerated far enough and is going no where.
Been there done that ain't worth it.
Crazy Cyot - --part1_117.1bf7d4b9.2b282b1c_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:25:45 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: methods of carrying a firearm... - --part1_5b.32c59198.2b2c1ad9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott As for your Question on how I carry my rifle I use all three of the methods you mention and rotate between them. The horn loop works OK for a while if the saddle fits the horse well and if ya got enough padding under the saddle the pressure on the withers has not bothered any of my horses. In fact it is better for the horse to have the weight up front then to much weight behind the saddle. Most people ten to put to much weigh behind the saddle from what I've seen. My bedding goes under the saddle oil cloth and my coat if I'm not wearing it and saddle bags is all that goes on the back of my saddle now. But when you get in the trees and brush that is not how you want to carry your Gun and that's when it comes out of the loop and is in my hand or if I have a pack horse in two I use the sling and rotate the gun so it is under my arm so it is no sticking straight up and down on my back getting snagged on things and trying to pull me off the horse. While doing long rides rotating it around using all three methods has worked the best for me and the horse. I have ridden with men that just lay it in there laps and ride but I have found it to be a pain after a while trying to keep it balanced and with a pack horse in two a real challenge. It seem that I am always ridding green stock that are on there first or second year under the saddle and so having both hands free can be a plus. See on the trail Crazy Cyot - --part1_5b.32c59198.2b2c1ad9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott
As for your Question on how I carry my rifle I use all three of the methods you mention and rotate between them. The horn loop works OK for a while if the saddle fits the horse well and if ya got enough padding under the saddle the pressure on the withers has not bothered any of my horses. In fact it is better for the horse to have the weight up front then to much weight behind the saddle. Most people ten to put to much weigh behind the saddle from what I've seen. My bedding goes under the saddle oil cloth and my coat if I'm not wearing it and saddle bags is all that goes on the back of my saddle now. But when you get in the trees and brush that is not how you want to carry your Gun and that's when it comes out of the loop and is in my hand or if I have a pack horse in two I use the sling and rotate the gun so it is under my arm so it is no sticking straight up and down on my back getting snagged on things and trying to pull me off the horse. While doing long rides rotating it around using all three methods has worked the best for me and the horse. I have ridden with men that just lay it in there laps and ride but I have found it to be a pain after a while trying to keep it balanced and with a pack horse in two a real challenge. It seem that I am always ridding green stock that are on there first or second year under the saddle and so having both hands free can be a plus.
See on the trail
Crazy Cyot



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