From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1138 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, January 27 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1138 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs -       Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs -       Fw: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs -       Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs -       Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs -       MtMan-List: Upcoming Events (that I know of) in the Pacific NW -       MtMan-List: Mayer? -       Re: MtMan-List: Mayer? -       MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:19:10 EST From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. Bill Gantic - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got that out of  "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic - --part1_122.1dde34df.2b63784e_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 From: "Tom Ballstaedt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = pages 247-248. Bill Gantic=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
does anybody have dean rudy's  = e-mail=20 adress    sorry for the off the topic = intrusion........ tom=20 #1834   ----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MarkLoader@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = Ribs

I got that out of  "A Life Wild = and Perilous"=20 By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = of the=20 Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = published in=20 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2C452.72517AA0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:10:08 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Try this address for Dean. Lanney Ratcliff Dean Rudy E-mail Address(es): drudy@xmission.com - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Ballstaedt=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the = topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = pages 247-248. Bill Gantic - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom
Try this address for = Dean.
Lanney = Ratcliff
 
Dean Rudy
E-mail=20 Address(es):
  drudy@xmission.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom = Ballstaedt=20
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs

does anybody have dean rudy's  = e-mail=20 adress    sorry for the off the topic = intrusion........ tom=20 #1834   ----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MarkLoader@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = Ribs

I got that out of  "A Life Wild = and Perilous"=20 By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration = of the=20 Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First = published in=20 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill Gantic=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C462.52745530-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:13:27 -0800 From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom ole Buddy. It's drudy@xmission.com That is of course on our party website! Missed you last weekend, the camp was fantastic! Todd On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" writes: does anybody have dean rudy's e-mail adress sorry for the off the topic intrusion........ tom #1834 ----- Original Message ----- From: MarkLoader@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248. Bill Gantic - ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom ole Buddy.
 
It's drudy@xmission.com   = That=20 is of course on our party website! Missed you last weekend, the camp was=20 fantastic!
 
Todd
 
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:16:30 -0700 "Tom Ballstaedt" <thsb@earthlink.net> writes:
does anybody have dean rudy's  e-= mail=20 adress    sorry for the off the topic intrusion......= ..=20 tom #1834   ----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 MarkLoader@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump=20 Ribs

I got that out of  "A = Life Wild and=20 Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His source is from=20 "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard=20 Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 Gantic
 
- ----__JNP_000_2aa7.22d3.4ca0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:13:50 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Mr Gantic for the source info. I find I to often collect = quotes without getting a good reference to them and then if I want to = use them I can not track them down. Stansbury has some good info for = sure. I like this quote myself. Stole it from The Mule Alternative by = Mike Staamm: We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. The = road has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white = covers, glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon = the ocean. We passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy = persons, one hundred and forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding = horses, and a drove of cattle for beef. The expedition, as might be = expected, and as is to generally the case, was badly conducted: the = mules were overloaded, and the manner of securing and arranging the = packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, most of whom = were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the loading of = a mule amounted to a science. Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849 Captain Howard Stansbury=20 Army topographical engineer Wynn Ormond =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MarkLoader@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump Ribs I got that out of "A Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on = pages 268-269. His source is from "Exploration of the Valley of the = Great Salt Lake of Utah" By Howard Stansbury. First published in 1852 = pages 247-248. Bill Gantic=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Mr Gantic for the source = info.  I=20 find I to often collect quotes without getting a good reference to them = and then=20 if I want to use them I can not track them down.  Stansbury has = some=20 good info for sure.  I like this quote myself.  Stole it = from The=20 Mule Alternative by Mike Staamm:
 

We have been in company with multitudes of emigrants the whole day. = The road=20 has been lined to a long extent with their wagons, whose white covers,=20 glittering in the sunlight, resembled, at a distance, ships upon the = ocean. We=20 passed a company from Boston, consisting of seventy persons, one hundred = and=20 forty pack and riding mules, a number of riding horses, and a drove of = cattle=20 for beef. The expedition, as might be expected, and as is to generally = the case,=20 was badly conducted: the mules were overloaded, and the manner of = securing and=20 arranging the packs elicited many a sarcastic criticism from our party, = most of=20 whom were old mountain-men, with whom the making of a pack and the = loading of a=20 mule amounted to a science.

Southcentral Nebraska. June 12, 1849

Captain Howard Stansbury

Army topographical engineer

 

 

Wynn Ormond

 

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MarkLoader@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 = 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hump = Ribs

I got that = out of  "A=20 Life Wild and Perilous" By Robert M. Utley on pages 268-269. His = source is=20 from "Exploration of the Valley of the Great Salt Lake of Utah" By = Howard=20 Stansbury. First published in 1852 pages 247-248.
Bill=20 Gantic - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C51B.3D33F7C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:23:14 -0800 From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: Upcoming Events (that I know of) in the Pacific NW This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in the Pacific Northwest = thru March, that I am aware of. Regards Lee Newbill of North Idaho www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders.com http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle www.mountaintoptradingco.com Jan 31 Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter Rendezvous & Civil War Winter Quarters Linda Hansen (253) 839-2543 Eric Hansen (253) 922 8440 Jan 31- Feb 2 Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP Brigade, Yamhill OR Jack Meade (503) 324-6700 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- February Feb 1-2, 2003 Tioga Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos Bay at Rook Higgins Park) POC: Ken Sjogren: 541-396-5565 =20 Feb 14-16, 2003 Rain-De-Vous '03 Olympia, Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa) POC: Booshway- Robinson Hartsell (360) 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber = (360) 483-1349 Tom Brown (360) 352-5984 Feb 15-16 2003 Muzzleloader & Early American Craft Show Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, At the Fairgrounds Tony (509) 397-4447 Feb 15, 16 Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds Eugene Oregon Fort Umpqua Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or. 97477 Feb. 19-23 =20 Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt. Long Rifles, Bend OR =20 Carol Harden (541) 546-2205 Ken Miltonberger (541) 389-7007 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- March Mar 8 & 9 22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & Pioneer Craft Show King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA Walt Christensen (206) 878-4907 Mar 9, 2003 (2nd weekend in March) Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater Confluence Memorial Shoot Near Clarkston, Washington POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20 Don Robinson, email dtrobinson@hotmail.com Mar 13-16 Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous Evergreen Sportsmen=92s Club, Littlerock, WA Pete Strobl (360) 352-1800 Mar 14-16, 2003 7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show=20 Kitsap County Fairgrounds, Bremerton, WA POC: Too Frank email at toofrank@attbi.com, or phone at (253) 472-6110 Mar 29 & 30 Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match Yakima, WA=20 Terry Savage (509) 965- 0079 Wayne Worgum (509) 966-6673 = =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Folks... just a note on things coming up in = the Pacific=20 Northwest thru March, that I am aware of.
 
Regards
 
Lee Newbill of North Idaho
www.hogheavenmuzzleloaders= .com
http://users.potlatch.com/= bluethistle
www.mountaintoptradingco.com=

Jan 31
Tacoma Mountain Man=92s Winter = Rendezvous=20 & Civil War Winter Quarters
Linda Hansen (253) = 839-2543
Eric Hansen (253) 922 = 8440

Jan = 31- Feb=20 2
Cabin Fever Rondy, Forest Hills BP
Brigade, Yamhill = OR
Jack=20 Meade (503) 324-6700

February

Feb 1-2,=20 2003
Tioga=20 Mountian Men Winter Rendezvous
Coos Bay Oregon (10 miles east of Coos = Bay at Rook=20 Higgins Park)
POC: Ken Sjogren:=20 541-396-5565 

Feb 14-16, = 2003
Rain-De-Vous '03
Olympia,=20 Washington (south of) (Littlerock,Wa)
POC: Booshway- Robinson = Hartsell (360)=20 459-2387 or Segundo- Kevin Stuber (360) = 483-1349
Tom Brown (360)=20 352-5984

Feb 15-16 = 2003
Muzzleloader &=20 Early American Craft Show
Coeur D'Alene,=20 Idaho, At the Fairgrounds
Tony (509) 397-4447

Feb = 15,=20 16
Frontier Heritage Fair, Lane County Fairgrounds
Eugene = Oregon
Fort = Umpqua=20 Muzzleloaders, P. O. Box 566, Springfield Or.=20 97477

Feb. = 19-23 =20
Horse Ridge Rendezvous, Grizzly Mt.
Long Rifles, Bend OR =     
Carol Harden (541)=20 546-2205
Ken = Miltonberger=20 (541) 389-7007

March


Mar 8 = &=20 9
22d Annual Cascade Mountain Men Muzzleloading & = Pioneer Craft=20 Show
King County Fairgrounds, Enumclaw, WA
Walt = Christensen=20 (206) 878-4907

Mar 9, 2003 = (2nd  weekend in=20 March)
Muzzleloading Clubs of the Snake & Clearwater = Confluence=20 Memorial Shoot
Near = Clarkston,=20 Washington
POC: Russell Page at (208) 435-4416, email russ_89049@yahoo.com;=20
Don Robinson, email = dtrobinson@hotmail.com

Mar=20 13-16
Evergreen Spring Thaw Rendezvous
Evergreen = Sportsmen=92s=20 Club, Littlerock, WA
Pete Strobl (360)=20 352-1800

Mar = 14-16,=20 2003
7th Annual Pioneer Living Craft Show
Kitsap County=20 Fairgrounds, Bremerton,  WA
POC: Too=20 Frank email at toofrank@attbi.com, or = phone at (253)=20 472-6110

Mar = 29 &=20 30
Yakima Valley Muzzleloaders Musket Match
Yakima, WA =
Terry=20 Savage (509) 965- 0079
Wayne Worgum (509)=20 966-6673             &nbs= p;  =20            &nbs= p;            = ;            =   =20            &n= bsp;  =20

- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2C52D.51339390-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:52:38 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Mayer? I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a Canadian. Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could not have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice details that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. WY - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:31:03 -0700 From: "John L. Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mayer? Dear Wynn and list, Frank Blackwell Mayer was a Baltimore artist, b. 1822 d. 1899 who studied with Alfred Jacob Miller in the 1840s--this explains where some of the detail in his western sketches comes from. His best known work With pen and pencil on the frontier in 1851; the diary and sketches of Frank Blackwell Mayer, by Francis Blackwell Mayer (Saint Paul, 1932) dealt with the treaty conferences in the upper Midwest in 1851 (Indian cessions of parts of southern Minnesota and adjacent areas of Iowa and the Dakotas) and most of his Indian sketches are of Sioux. There is a good collection of Mayer's work at the Newberry Library in Chicago but I don't know of any other significant holdings in art museums in the US or Canada. His publication is quite rare--if you can find a copy of it for under $200 you've probably got a very good deal. John Dr. John L. Allen 2703 Leslie Court Laramie, WY 82072-2979 Phone: (307) 742-0883 e-mail: jlallen@wyoming.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mayer? > I have three drawings by Frank Blackwell Mayer drawn in 1851 of a Canadian. > Can anyone tell who Mayer is and where he traveled from or too? > > The caption says . . ."dressed as they appeared at rendezvous" He could not > have attended a rendezvous in 1851 so maybe they exagerated. Nice details > that are not exactly in agreement with Miller. > > WY > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:18:34 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Super Bowl Beaver Dear List, A few of us up here went on a small beaver trapping trip on the Upper Missouri River this weekend. It was -6 below at my house when I got up Saturday but was a balmy 40 above or so after crossing over the mountains and sometimes drizzling rain! The chinook winds were blowing and it ended up getting up to 56 degrees by my house after the low of -6 below that morning! The temperature climbed 19 degrees in one hour with the chinook winds. Chinook is indian (Blackfoot?) for Snow Eater, isn't it? Anyway, our camp was small with two fly's and one small wedge. Two trappers and 4 campkeepers. Vince put out the traps as I stood guard. We found fresh otter and beaver sign in the snow and Vince even discovered a very fresh otter toilet, only a day old. As Vince was setting his traps a small beaver swam to within 6 feet of him! Vince used his own bait and we got out 4 trap sets (I ended up setting 2 and Vince set 2) and returned to camp. We spent the night talking and getting to know each other as this was the first time a few of us had met. We ate some of Mike's deer, some of Gene's buffalo and drank my Madeira and Allen's rum. A good time was had by all. I had too much of a good time! The next morning I was the last to get up and when I did I found all the other camps down and rolled up already! It was the first good nights rest I had in a week due to my job. Vince was rearing to go check his traps but I wasn't in a big hurry as I knew the otter would be out at this time. I was also a bit sea sick already and didn't feel like rocking in a canoe so soon. Steve and Vince took the canoe to check and pull the traps. I watched from the shore as Vince pulled in a very nice dark and very prime beaver that weighed about 35-40 pounds I'll guess. All of camp was happy as it was a successful hunt. We all then loaded up and headed to our homes to watch the Super Bowl. Good luck to all of you on the trail, BB - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1138 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.