From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1176 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, March 26 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1176 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Documentation -       MtMan-List: modern trappers -       Re: MtMan-List: modern trappers -       Re: MtMan-List: Trapline Mystery -       Re: MtMan-List: modern trappers -       Re: MtMan-List: modern trappers -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man list; char cloth -       Re: MtMan-List: char cloth -       Re: MtMan-List: char cloth -       Re: MtMan-List: Hairy Lizard -       Re: MtMan-List: 1803 Harpers Ferry fullstock? -       Re: MtMan-List:Speaking of Hugh Glass -       Re: MtMan-List: Trapline Mystery -       Re: MtMan-List:Speaking of Hugh Glass -       MtMan-List: Upcoming Show and Tell Needs Mountainmen -       Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper -       Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper -       Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Mar 2003 21:07:02 -0800 From: "Curtis Krouse" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Documentation Well said James. Blood On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 19:43, James MacKannai wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's face it, without the records and evidence, sometimes known as > documentation, we wouldn't know anything about the past. Even the 1970's > would not be understood by those born later, without documentation (or > communication of some sort outside of experience). > > Personally, I'm not so attached to any myth that I would sacrifice reality > at it's altar. As has been noted, different people have different reasons > for even being involved in studying the past. I want to know what was really > there. If I want myth, I'll watch television. It gets real when it's below > freezing and the wind is howling fifty miles per hour. It gets pretty real > when you're on the top of a mountain and you get sick as a dog. The world of > the mountain men is still there and it is still real (for now). Since I love > to study anyway, I apply my efforts toward experiencing what's left over as > near as I can. > > I've heard the objections before and realize that you can't take the > memories of automoblies and hardtop and everything that goes along with that > cursed beast, out of my head. Of all people, I know the shortcomings of > trying to do what I'm trying to do. I've tried to stop. I've tried to fit in > the present. It doesn't work very well. My mind wanders and I get restless > and as soon as I stop to smell the sagebrush I feel the pull again. I've > given up trying to resist trying. > > I don't care if someone wears chrome tanned buckskins to rendezvous. It's > easy to like a guy that will dress in leather, even if it is chrome tan. I'm > willing to bet that whatever he's trying to achieve is very satisfying to > him. But I want more. I want it exact. > > I realize it is impossible to achieve what I want, but if I were to quit > trying because it is impossible, what would I do with my life? So I study. > When I learn something new, I wear it out. > > I've heard so many opinions. Opinions are a starting point, therefore they > are important; like the theories of electricity and refrigeration discussed > in the 18th century. Without the discussions and the opinions and the > theories, America would be a very different place. Without the opinions > expressed here on this site, our understanding of our past would be a very > different thing; but documentation is the root and the core and the > foundation of our ability to begin truly understanding our past. > > When I ask where information comes from, I'm asking "for what reason do you > believe this information enough to give it to me as a fact". I'd love it if > I could always get a source so I could explore it for other information that > seems to hang and linger with such tidbits of recorded history. My purpose > is not to challenge anyone's authority or knowledge. I just want to learn. > > So, documentation has varying degrees of importance to different people. To > me, it's very important. I'm not going to write a book. I'm not going to > change the world. It's just nice to know that when I start a fire, I'm doing > it like the men George Ruxton knew. When I trap a beaver, I'm using the same > type of equipment Jim Bridger used. When my horse stomps in the night at the > end of his picket rope, I'm hearing the same sounds. When I'm curled up in a > buffalo robe, I can open my eyes and see the same stars Jed Smith saw and > admired. > > I've been so thirsty my tongue felt like a piece of wood as it moved against > lips that had no feeling. My feet have been frozen. I use a gun that become > obsolete a century ago. I'm willing to accept the discomfort, I'm willing to > be made fun of, I'm willing to be ridiculed, but I'm not willing to only > half try. I'm not satisfied with "maybe" if it's possible to "know". > > So, there is more than you wanted to know. But maybe this will help you > understand why I ask so many questions. This is my vision quest; it is my > life. I tend to believe that on this site I'm not alone in the way I feel, > though I realize not everyone feels this way, or even understands. Just > because it's impossible isn't any reason not to try. > > Jim > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:08:17 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: modern trappers - --part1_90.3487a993.2bb28fc1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bb When I go out and trap it is from a primitive camp and I us sets much like they did. My traps are checked like theirs were once a day some times twice a day. The animal if it is not drowned is in the trap no more the ten hours. This is unlike most modern trappers that make sets and check their sets ever two days or so. That is what I call inhumane and not caring about the animals one traps. I have had to dispatch animals that I have came a cross a time or two in traps that had been left there from the sign for several days without being checked the traps had a US on them if that tells ya any thing. Not all modern sets are humane it is how often that they are checked that is humane. With respect Crazy Cyot - --part1_90.3487a993.2bb28fc1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bb
When I go out and trap it is from a primitive camp and I us sets much li= ke they did. My traps are checked like theirs were once a day some times twi= ce a day. The animal if it is not drowned is in the trap no more the ten hou= rs. This is unlike most modern trappers that make sets and check their sets=20= ever two days or so. That is what I call inhumane and not caring about the a= nimals one traps. I have had to dispatch animals that I have came a cross a=20= time or two in traps that had been left there from the sign for several days= without being checked the traps had a US on them if that tells ya any thing= . Not all modern sets are humane it is how often that they are checked that=20= is humane.
With respect
Crazy Cyot - --part1_90.3487a993.2bb28fc1_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:12:56 -0600 From: "James MacKannai" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern trappers >From: GazeingCyot@cs.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: modern trappers >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:08:17 EST > >bb >When I go out and trap it is from a primitive camp and I us sets much like >they did. My traps are checked like theirs were once a day some times twice >a >day. The animal if it is not drowned is in the trap no more the ten hours. >This is unlike most modern trappers that make sets and check their sets >ever >two days or so. That is what I call inhumane and not caring about the >animals >one traps. I have had to dispatch animals that I have came a cross a time >or >two in traps that had been left there from the sign for several days >without >being checked the traps had a US on them if that tells ya any thing. Not >all >modern sets are humane it is how often that they are checked that is >humane. >With respect >Crazy Cyot Beaverboy, What kind of traps do you use? _________________________________________________________________ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:16:53 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapline Mystery Cat (mountain lion) tracks are so easy to discern from canines, wolf or otherwise, sometimes I wonder why we have these discussions. I knew in an instant that it was a very, very large canine that ate my beaver. Not a cat. Cat tracks look like cat tracks, period, there is no mistaking them except to the novice. I wasn't following a trail, I was examining a kill site where it was littered with fresh tracks in the mud. I know the areas I hunt and trap intimately. I saw this track last fall and recognized it several times in the two months that I hunted and trap there. Experienced trackers know individual tracks. As soon as I went into this place to trap again this spring I didn't walk a hundred yards and I cut his dried tracks in the mud. I thought to myself that my old friend was back. Reading sign in the mud is like checking your e-mails. I just didn't think that our trails would converge so soon. I'm sure he knows my my scent and my tracks as well. Now I have to keep my trap catches hidden from him. But I have a much bigger brain then him. Don't I? bb > All of this talk about identifying tracks has missed another important > difference. Dogs tend to trot a lot and cats are more inclined to walk. > It pays to try to put together what the animal is doing. If you find > yourself tracking a wolf that appears to be traveling with a horse I bet > you got the wrong critter. I know that is not the question at hand but > just an example to illistrate how looking at the bigger picture can > change things. > > To our scouter who is going to be tracking in the mud, be aware that mud > can contain tracks of things like racoons and muskrats. You may have > more studying to do. Once you start looking your going to find tracks > that arnt in the mud and a whole new world is going to open up. > Suddenly you are going to find out that places that do not have tracks > are the exception and tracks are the rule. > > Good Hunting > Wynn Ormond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Samuel Keller > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapline Mystery > > >> There ia an online site with excellent drawings of >> Animal Tracks. It is at >> http://www.bear-tracker.com/mammals.html >> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:27:16 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern trappers > Beaverboy, > > What kind of traps do you use? Most of my beaver are caught in #4 dls (double long spring) traps. They are drowning sets that work almost flawlessly. The beaver,coon,otter are almost (95 percent) dead at the end of the drowning wire. It is a great set. They are deep in cold water out of sight of predators and well preserved in the icy cold water. They die quickly by drowning, many of these animals die every year in drownings under the ice. It is nothing new to them. I also use 330's and some 660's. I prefer the dls #4 set however. bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:39:40 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern trappers - --part1_12d.25f41f53.2bb2971c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/03 9:13:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, mackannai@hotmail.com writes: > Beaverboy, > > What kind of traps do you use? > I have a couple of hand forged traps about the size of #5s the rest are Bridger #5 they do not cost as much to replace if ya loose one I use total of eight traps. They are all set up with five foot of chain and I make my sets much like they did. Crazy Cyot - --part1_12d.25f41f53.2bb2971c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/25/0= 3 9:13:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, mackannai@hotmail.com writes:


Beaverboy,

What kind of traps do you use?


I have a couple of hand forged traps about the size of #5s the rest are=20= Bridger #5 they do not cost as much to replace if ya loose one I use total o= f eight traps. They are all set up with five foot of chain and I make my set= s much like they did.
Crazy Cyot - --part1_12d.25f41f53.2bb2971c_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:59:50 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man list; char cloth Jim, You may have something there. Butt the alternative idea is that they used it for "the other reason". No, they would have just washed it and used it again. Yea, probably for char cloth. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:09:44 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: char cloth Blood, I'm not prepared to answer your last question tonight on whether they cleaned their guns at all but I assure you that tow on a proper worm works fine for cleaning my rifle gun in the field or at home. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:15:56 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: char cloth Blood, Not looking to pick a fight with you brother but if "Now, if I were in the mountains, loaded with company goods, I certainly > would NOT stray from camp in hostile territory to find fungus, burnt > trees, or any other substance to start the fire with. I'd be using the > reams of cloth that I had at my disposal." etc. isn't implying a certain fear of getting away from camp then I guess I can't read the English language worth squat. That may not be what you meant but that is what you said. And no I don't think you believe they were too scared to leave camp. I just don't think your reasoning is valid. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:21:23 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hairy Lizard This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2F31C.DE88DB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SWcushing@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Hairy Lizard Capt, You and Crawdad gonna do the Hairy Lizard thing? (Is this a crptic = message, or what!) Might be able to get away.. Magpie - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2F31C.DE88DB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 = 7:15=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Hairy = Lizard

Capt,

You and Crawdad gonna do the Hairy = Lizard=20 thing? (Is this a crptic message, or what!) Might be able to get=20 away..

Magpie - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2F31C.DE88DB20-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:20:54 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1803 Harpers Ferry fullstock? Don, Have you read the following posts on this? There were full stocks and they went with the Corps. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:23:15 +0000 From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Speaking of Hugh Glass

Note that as far as an astringent goes, Sage Brush (artimesia tridentata) leaves are a great source for this.  They can even be used directly from the plant, rubbed vigorously with the hands to help in killing bacteria.  This is what we teach people to use in the backcountry and at the Boulder Outdoor Survival School (BOSS).

Heaven knows that out west we never run out of sage brush.  It is also a great source for bow drill spindles or fire boards used in combination with dead cottonwood root fireboards or spindles for bow drill fire sets.

Later,

Mike Powell 




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>From: "Tim J."
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Speaking of Hugh Glass
>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:25:45 -0500
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Punke, Michael W."
>
> >...The Indians carefully washed it and applied an astringent vegetable
>liquid."
>
> >Anyone know what might have been in an "astringent vegetable liquid?"
>
>There are several possibilities that come to mind. Witchhazel is a great
>astringent. Elder leaves are a good antiseptic. Ladies mantle slows
>bleeding, comfrey and yarrow promote healing and plantain is an antibiotic.
>I'm sure there are other choices but I'm working off the top of my head
>right now.
>
>I believe most, if not all of these grow throughout most parts of the
>country. They are also well documented to have been used by both Native
>Americans and colonial Americans.
>
>I'm surprized that the Sioux removed the maggots. It was fairly common
>knowledge then, that they maggots would only eat the dead tissue, in effect
>they were mini surgeons debriding the wound.
>
>Tim
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Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:14:09 EST From: Htorr@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapline Mystery - --part1_1a4.11f69d00.2bb2ad41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem we have at Scout Camp is not knowing if the tracks that we see in the mud are cougar tracks or just a big dog. Now with the collective knowledge of all the people in this list, we have a pretty good idea how to tell the difference. Appreciate all those that took the time and effort to give me their feedback. Sparky > All of this talk about identifying tracks has missed another important > difference. Dogs tend to trot a lot and cats are more inclined to walk. > It > pays to try to put together what the animal is doing. If you find yourself > tracking a wolf that appears to be traveling with a horse I bet you got the > wrong critter. I know that is not the question at hand but just an example > to illistrate how looking at the bigger picture can change things. > > To our scouter who is going to be tracking in the mud, be aware that mud > can > contain tracks of things like racoons and muskrats. You may have more > studying to do. Once you start looking your going to find tracks that arnt > in the mud and a whole new world is going to open up. Suddenly you are > going to find out that places that do not have tracks are the exception and > tracks are the rule. > > Good Hunting > Wynn Ormond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Samuel Keller > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapline Mystery > > > >There ia an online site with excellent drawings of > >Animal Tracks. It is at > >http://www.bear-tracker.com/mammals.html > > > >Sleeping Bear > - --part1_1a4.11f69d00.2bb2ad41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     The problem we have at Scout Camp i= s not knowing if the tracks that we see in the mud are cougar tracks or just= a big dog.  Now with the collective knowledge of all the people in thi= s list, we  have a pretty good idea how to tell the difference.

     Appreciate all those that took the time and effort&= nbsp; to give me their feedback.

      Sparky


All of this talk about identify= ing tracks has missed another  important
difference.  Dogs tend to trot a lot and cats are more inclined to walk= .  It
pays to try to put together what the animal is doing.  If you find your= self
tracking a wolf that appears to be traveling with a horse I bet you got the<= BR> wrong critter.  I know that is not the question at hand but just an exa= mple
to illistrate how looking at  the bigger picture can change things.

To our scouter who is going to be tracking in the mud, be aware that mud can=
contain tracks of things like racoons and muskrats.  You may have more<= BR> studying to do.  Once you start looking your going to find tracks that=20= arnt
in the mud and a whole new world is going to open up.  Suddenly you are=
going to find out that places that do not have tracks are the exception and<= BR> tracks are the rule.

Good Hunting
Wynn Ormond

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Samuel Keller <wolftalk_98@yahoo.com>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapline Mystery


>There ia an online site with excellent drawings of
>Animal Tracks. It is at
>http://www.bear-tracker.com/mammals.html
>
>Sleeping Bear


 - --part1_1a4.11f69d00.2bb2ad41_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:46:59 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Speaking of Hugh Glass - --part1_b6.1a78051a.2bb2b4f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can add to what Mike had to say about Sage Brush as an astringent I have used it a poultice also to draw out infection on a wound I had on my hand that had became infected. It drawed out the infection and helped closed the wound, It works great. Crazy Cyot - --part1_b6.1a78051a.2bb2b4f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can add to what Mike ha= d to say about Sage Brush as an astringent=20
I have used it a poultice also to draw out infection on a wound I had on= my hand that had became infected. It drawed out the infection and helped cl= osed the wound, It works great.

Crazy Cyot


- --part1_b6.1a78051a.2bb2b4f3_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:14:28 EST From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Upcoming Show and Tell Needs Mountainmen - --part1_6.d3fb693.2bb301b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hail the list Please excuse the cross posting Here is an announcement from a local group here in Queens County, NYC doing=20= a=20 show and tell. =A0There is a stipend involved for giving your services. =A0P= lease=20 contact Pete Lecese at peter_leccese@nyforestpark.org. =A0see the web site a= t=20 nyforestpark.org. Hope to see you there. =A0Feel free to pass this along. A Passage Through Time - Colonial Day Presentation Peter Leccese On Saturday, June 28, 2003, the Forest Park Rangers Inc. in cooperation with= =20 the Forest Park Administrator and the City of NY Parks &Recreation will be=20 hosting a history and craft day at the Seuffert Bandshell. The event will=20 begin at 10:30 am and run until 5:00 pm. There will be numerous craft=20 demonstrations with hands on participation, as well as historic re-enactors=20 representing Native American and Colonial impressions. There will also be on= =20 display Native American Artifacts and Colonial and Native American early=20 weapons. There will be performances throughout the event including Native=20 American and Colonial singers and dancers. We have signed the musical group No Matter What to perform at the event. Thi= s=20 group has voluntarily performed at many past park events. They give us their= =20 time and talent to help the children of our communities. As of this posting we currently have five Native American Craftsmen, and the= =20 Forest Park Historical Chorus under the direction of Mary McCabe Wagner, as=20 well as the Nimham Mountain Singers. We are still looking for colonial craft= =20 and first person interpreters. Any applicants please contact Peter Leccese a= t=20 718-296-2142 or email at peter_leccese@nyforestpark.org. The program is funded by the Department of Youth and Community Development=20 City of NY, and the Forest Park Rangers, Inc. - --part1_6.d3fb693.2bb301b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hail the list
Please excuse the cross posting
Here is an announcement from a local group here in Queens County, NYC do= ing a show and tell. =A0There is a stipend involved for giving your services= . =A0Please contact Pete Lecese at peter_leccese@nyforestpark.org. =A0see th= e web site at nyforestpark.org. Hope to see you there. =A0Feel free to pass=20= this along.


A Passage Through Time - Colonial Day Presentation


Peter Leccese

On Saturday, June 28, 2003, the Forest Park Rangers Inc.= in cooperation with the Forest Park Administrator and the City of NY Parks=20= &Recreation will be hosting a history and craft day at the Seuffert Band= shell. The event will begin at 10:30 am and run until 5:00 pm. There will be= numerous craft demonstrations with hands on participation, as well as histo= ric re-enactors representing Native American and Colonial impressions. There= will also be on display Native American Artifacts and Colonial and Native A= merican early weapons. There will be performances throughout the event inclu= ding Native American and Colonial singers and dancers.
We have signed the musical group No Matter What to perform at the= event. This group has voluntarily performed at many past park events. They=20= give us their time and talent to help the children of our communities.
As of this posting we currently have five Native American Craftsmen, and= the Forest Park Historical Chorus under the direction of Mary McCabe Wagner= , as well as the Nimham Mountain Singers. We are still looking for co= lonial craft and first person interpreters. Any applicants please contact Pe= ter Leccese at 718-296-2142 or email at peter_leccese@nyforestpark.org.
The program is funded by the Department of Youth and Community Developme= nt City of NY, and the Forest Park Rangers, Inc.





- --part1_6.d3fb693.2bb301b4_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:00:34 -0500 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper Wynn, You may have a point there. I will go back and do some more field testing and then share the results. D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper > Mr Miles > > Are you sure that it is not that rum makes your copper taste funny not the > other way around. Through careful testing over a couple days time I have > found that rum can change many things that seemed to be quite impermeable. > Indeed I have heard that it can cause one horse to turn into two or three. > > Wynn Ormond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Double Edge Forge > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper > > > > And copper makes yer rum taste funny afer a couple a days...... > > > > D > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "roger lahti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:00 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper > > > > > > > Tin has been used to line copper and brass cooking vessels for hundreds > of > > > years and still is in the middle east and Asia. Copper itself is not > that > > > poisonous. Your here after all. But acidic foods probably should not > > be > > > cooked in copper or brass untinned pots. Otherwise there really is not > > much > > > danger and certainly even less in a tin lined pot. > > > > > > Plumbers solder is now lead free. It's bought as "Lead Free Silver > Bearing > > > Solder". > > > > > > YMOS > > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:39:53 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper Anytime alcohol is stored in Copper, it takes on the "taste" of the metal. I ruined a great single malt scotch this way.... :(( by putting it in a copper canteen. Tin is fine, but do not leave it in there too long. Regards, Ad - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:14:43 -0500 From: "John Hunt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin vs. copper Yes, scotch, rhum, good Ky bourbon, does have a short shelf life. Humm, wunder why ?? Are we rummy`s ?? Are our buddies rummy`s ??? er jus good sipp`ins ???? . Tin is fine, but do not leave it in there too long. > > Regards, > > Ad > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1176 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.