From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1207 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, June 13 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1207 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: grandson becoming a man -       MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC bcoming a man -       Re: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC bcoming a man -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse -       MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder -       Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder -       Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder -       RE: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder -       Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder -       Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder -       MtMan-List: L&C lecture by Gary Moulton -       Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse -       MtMan-List:Trip to Montana ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:49:44 -0500 From: "JIM BRYAN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: grandson becoming a man This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C32FAA.F8030880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had my second one Sunday.....already planning his longhunter = outfit.. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: History List=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: grandson becoming a man My grandson will be seventeen months old day after tomorrow. Tonight = he took a tentative step on the road to becoming not just a man, but a = Texas man........he ate (a little) chili for the first time and LOVED it. Whataguy!! I just hope he doesn't blow the bottom out of his Huggie sometime tonight. If you don't have any grandchildren get some soon. = If I had know they were so much fun I would have had them (3) first. proud grandpa Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C32FAA.F8030880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just had my second one Sunday.....already planning his longhunter=20 outfit..
----- Original Message -----
From: Lanney Ratcliff
To: History List
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 = 9:38=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: = grandson=20 becoming a man





 My grandson will be seventeen = months old=20 day after tomorrow.  Tonight he
took a tentative step on the = road to=20 becoming not just a man, but a Texas
man........he ate (a little) = chili for=20 the first time and LOVED it.
Whataguy!!  I just hope he = doesn't blow=20 the bottom out of his Huggie
sometime tonight.  If  you = don't=20 have any grandchildren get some soon.  If I
had know they were = so much=20 fun I would have had them (3) first.

 proud=20 grandpa
 Lanney Ratcliff
 lanneyratcliff@charter.net=
______________________________________________________________
&nb= sp;Aux=20 Aliments du = Pays




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- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C32FAA.F8030880-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC bcoming a man Congrats Lanney-now get him started on Texas Champagne in that chili! My oldest grandson should be coming home soon, all 6'3", 200 pounds of Marine Corporal, from the Gulf. Just happy to know he so far has made it through okay. Dog, Extreme North Texas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:41:09 -0700 From: "Bear Kelsey" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC bcoming a man My oldest grandson should be coming home soon, all 6'3", 200 pounds of Marine Corporal, from the Gulf. Give him a big thank you from me !!!! "Two Bears" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:30:25 -0700 From: "DOROTHY MORRIS" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3300C.DA4CC170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Steve Banks, This adds to my growing knowledge of horses in the Rocky Mountain = Winters and is helping to shape how I will approach the issue in my = novel. Regards,=20 Dorothy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Banks=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Dorothy, Zenas Leonard's account from "Adventures of a Mountain Man:" gives an = answer to your question. They had to stay a winter on the upper Laramie = River and this was their experience. You can read about it starting on = page 19 - 21. The cottonwood bark here had a different characteristic = from the bark they had been feeding lower downstream on the Laramie = River. Unfortunatly the horses starved because they refused to eat the = bark in this winter camp. Only the mules survived. I've investigated = this with a friend of mine and his opinion was that the bitterness was = caused by some mineral that was absorbed in the tree. There is a lot of = a low grade aluminum mineral around the Laramie area and this might be a = possibility. For your interest, I have retraced Leonard's route from = the mouth of the Laramie River to its source at Chambers Lake at the = foot of Cameron Pass in Colorado. Hope this helps some. Steve Banks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DOROTHY MORRIS=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Can anyone tell me how a Mountain Man took fed his horse while up at = a trapping camp during a Rocky Mountain Winter? I hear the horses ate = the inner bark of the cottonwood tree, but how was it gathered and by = whom? Did the horses roam at will to eat and risk being food for wolves? = Were there enough cottonwood trees? What else did they eat? What were = the logistics of this situation? Anyone know? Love to hear from you. DKM - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3300C.DA4CC170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Steve Banks,
 
This adds to my growing knowledge of horses in the Rocky Mountain = Winters=20 and is helping to shape how I will approach the issue in my novel.
 
Regards,
Dorothy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 = 7:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Dorothy,
Zenas Leonard's account from "Adventures of a = Mountain=20 Man:" gives an answer to your question.  They had to stay a = winter on the=20 upper Laramie River and this was their experience.  You can read = about it=20 starting on page 19 - 21.  The cottonwood bark here had a = different=20 characteristic from the bark they had been feeding lower downstream on = the=20 Laramie River.  Unfortunatly the horses starved because they = refused to=20 eat the bark in this winter camp.  Only the mules survived.  = I've=20 investigated this with a friend of mine and his opinion was that the=20 bitterness was caused by some mineral that was absorbed in the = tree. =20 There is a lot of a low grade aluminum mineral around the Laramie area = and=20 this might be a possibility.  For your interest, I have retraced=20 Leonard's route from the mouth of the Laramie River to its source at = Chambers=20 Lake at the foot of Cameron Pass in Colorado.  Hope this helps=20 some.
Steve Banks
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DOROTHY = MORRIS=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 = 12:57=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain = Man's=20 horse

Can anyone tell me how a Mountain Man took fed his horse while = up at a=20 trapping camp during a Rocky Mountain Winter?  I hear the = horses ate=20 the inner bark of the cottonwood tree, but how was it gathered and = by whom?=20 Did the horses roam at will to eat and risk being food for=20 wolves? Were there enough cottonwood trees?  What = else did=20 they eat?  What were the logistics of this situation?  = Anyone=20 know?  Love to hear from you.
 
DKM
- ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3300C.DA4CC170-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:00:02 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder - --part1_b8.420a670c.2c190e72_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry for tooth paste in the woods? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - --part1_b8.420a670c.2c190e72_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know you guys can help me with this one. What did yo= u carry  for tooth paste in the woods?

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
 - --part1_b8.420a670c.2c190e72_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:19:01 -0600 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder - --------------060902000304010501040206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing James Traphand@aol.com wrote: > I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry for > tooth paste in the woods? > > Traphand > Rick Petzoldt > Traphand@aol.com - --------------060902000304010501040206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing
James

Traphand@aol.com wrote:
I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry  for tooth paste in the woods?

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com

- --------------060902000304010501040206-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:22:09 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3304E.C0CC4260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sometimes have a bit of baking powder with some powdered ginger in it. = Sometimes I just put a bit of "snake medicine" in my mouth, brush good = and swallow... D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder Nothing James Traphand@aol.com wrote: I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry for = tooth paste in the woods? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3304E.C0CC4260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I sometimes have a bit of baking powder = with some=20 powdered ginger in it.  Sometimes I just put a bit of "snake = medicine" in=20 my mouth, brush good and swallow...
D
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James=20 and Sue Stone
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 = 7:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tooth = paste or=20 powder

Nothing
James

Traphand@aol.com wrote:
I=20 know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry  = for tooth=20 paste in the woods?

Traphand
Rick = Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com

- ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C3304E.C0CC4260-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:20:22 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Rick, I carry a burned cap tin full of tooth powder, and a boar bristle toothbrush. I have too much invested in my teeth not to take care of them. Would you shoot your 'smokepole' and not clean it soon...?..... not me. Yfab, Smiley (Randy) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: 6/11/03 4:00:02 PM Subject: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry for tooth paste in the woods? Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Rick,    I carry a burned cap tin full of tooth powder, and a boar bristle toothbrush.  I have too much invested in my teeth not to take care of them. Would you shoot your  'smokepole' and not clean it soon...?..... not me.  Yfab, Smiley <g>   (Randy)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 6/11/03 4:00:02 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder

I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry  for tooth paste in the woods?

Traphand
Rick Petzoldt
Traphand@aol.com
- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:16:18 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C33045.8DEAAE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Traphand, I don't know what early frontier people did but I carry a small metal = tin of tooth powder. Arm and Hammer makes it I believe. Sutlers also = carry bone handled boar bristle brushes that will scour a car engine but = go way back. Other than that charcoal works as does plain salt if you = had it to spare along with just chewing a stick to a frazzle and using = it as a scrubber. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C33045.8DEAAE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Traphand,
 
I don't know what early frontier people = did but I=20 carry a small metal tin of tooth powder. Arm and Hammer makes it I = believe.=20 Sutlers also carry bone handled boar bristle brushes that will scour a = car=20 engine but go way back. Other than that charcoal works as does plain = salt if you=20 had it to spare along with just chewing a stick to a frazzle and using = it as a=20 scrubber.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
  - ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C33045.8DEAAE30-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:21:22 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder Coarse salt is what I use, but Bent's Fort (like some of the other forts)did carry alot of the "tolieties" like toothbrushes, combs, different "waters" and powders. If it is a short time out, I'm not so worried about tooth care, but on longer trips, foot washings, morning scrubings of the ivories and even a little more than just running the fingers through the hair is something that is all part of camp chores. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Traphand@aol.com Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 pm Subject: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder > I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry for > tooth > paste in the woods? > > Traphand > Rick Petzoldt > Traphand@aol.com > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:18:37 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: L&C lecture by Gary Moulton Hello the Camp Went to lecture on The Definitive Journals of Lewis and Clark by Gary Moulton. He is the editor of this set of books published by the University of Nebraska where he is a professor. He explained how the previous editors came involved and how more material became available over the years and why he feels there is more to be found. His works are the complete and unabridged journals by Lewis, Clark, Patrick Gass, Fields, Charles Floyd, John Ordway and Joseph Whitehouse. It is a 13 volume set the first is an over sized atlas. His main objective was to present the complete and unchanged the way they were written with all miss spelling and bad grammar. He only added footnotes supported by many scholars in various fields and an index. He also did a condensed version in one volume for the average reader. He explained the a group of letters written by Clark to his brother have been found that were not available to him during his research. These have been published by Jim Holmberg titled Dear Brother. These letters were written after the trip and were much about his problems with York trying to find his place a slave again. Next weeks lecture will be by James Hanson "Up and Across the Wide Missouri" See you down the trail Mark "Roadkill" Loader #1849 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:06:49 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tooth paste or powder I take a bath and brush my teeth every other Saturday night whether I need to or not.....Unless it's cold out. I also floss religiously, (which means I floss as often as I go to church) bb >> I know you guys can help me with this one. What did you carry for >> tooth >> paste in the woods? >> >> Traphand >> Rick Petzoldt >> Traphand@aol.com >> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:26:46 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C33131.B56109E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Banks=20 It has been a while since I read Zenas but I believe all the animals = died the mules were just slower about it. The men carried everything = out on their own backs. Secondly, there is nothing mysterious like = chemicals in the trees. There are different types of cottonwoods and = the broad leaf has a sweet inner bark the narrow doesn't.=20 However dispite Zenas's experience and as I posted before there is = plenty of evidnece that this method of wintering horses worked most of = the time. Wynn Ormond =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Banks=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Dorothy, Zenas Leonard's account from "Adventures of a Mountain Man:" gives an = answer to your question. They had to stay a winter on the upper Laramie = River and this was their experience. You can read about it starting on = page 19 - 21. The cottonwood bark here had a different characteristic = from the bark they had been feeding lower downstream on the Laramie = River. Unfortunatly the horses starved because they refused to eat the = bark in this winter camp. Only the mules survived. I've investigated = this with a friend of mine and his opinion was that the bitterness was = caused by some mineral that was absorbed in the tree. There is a lot of = a low grade aluminum mineral around the Laramie area and this might be a = possibility. For your interest, I have retraced Leonard's route from = the mouth of the Laramie River to its source at Chambers Lake at the = foot of Cameron Pass in Colorado. Hope this helps some. Steve Banks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DOROTHY MORRIS=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse Can anyone tell me how a Mountain Man took fed his horse while up at = a trapping camp during a Rocky Mountain Winter? I hear the horses ate = the inner bark of the cottonwood tree, but how was it gathered and by = whom? Did the horses roam at will to eat and risk being food for wolves? = Were there enough cottonwood trees? What else did they eat? What were = the logistics of this situation? Anyone know? Love to hear from you. DKM - ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C33131.B56109E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mr Banks
 
It has been a while since I read Zenas but I = believe all=20 the animals died the mules were just slower about it.  The = men carried=20 everything out on their own backs.  Secondly, there is nothing = mysterious=20 like chemicals in the trees.  There are different types of = cottonwoods and=20 the broad leaf has a sweet inner bark the narrow=20 doesn't. 
 
However dispite Zenas's experience and as I = posted before=20 there is plenty of evidnece that this method of wintering horses=20 worked most of the time.
Wynn Ormond
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = Banks=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 = 8:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Mountain Man's=20 horse

Dorothy,
Zenas Leonard's account from "Adventures of a = Mountain=20 Man:" gives an answer to your question.  They had to stay a = winter on the=20 upper Laramie River and this was their experience.  You can read = about it=20 starting on page 19 - 21.  The cottonwood bark here had a = different=20 characteristic from the bark they had been feeding lower downstream on = the=20 Laramie River.  Unfortunatly the horses starved because they = refused to=20 eat the bark in this winter camp.  Only the mules survived.  = I've=20 investigated this with a friend of mine and his opinion was that the=20 bitterness was caused by some mineral that was absorbed in the = tree. =20 There is a lot of a low grade aluminum mineral around the Laramie area = and=20 this might be a possibility.  For your interest, I have retraced=20 Leonard's route from the mouth of the Laramie River to its source at = Chambers=20 Lake at the foot of Cameron Pass in Colorado.  Hope this helps=20 some.
Steve Banks
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DOROTHY = MORRIS=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 = 12:57=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain = Man's=20 horse

Can anyone tell me how a Mountain Man took fed his horse while = up at a=20 trapping camp during a Rocky Mountain Winter?  I hear the = horses ate=20 the inner bark of the cottonwood tree, but how was it gathered and = by whom?=20 Did the horses roam at will to eat and risk being food for=20 wolves? Were there enough cottonwood trees?  What = else did=20 they eat?  What were the logistics of this situation?  = Anyone=20 know?  Love to hear from you.
 
DKM
- ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C33131.B56109E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:02:28 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List:Trip to Montana Hello the Camp I am making a trip to Montana for a doings SW of Butte the first of July. Haven't been past Billings before. What are some must see and worth seeing along the way from Billings west That relate to the fur trade and L&C? Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1207 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.