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hist_text-digest      Tuesday, September 9 2003      Volume 01 : Number 1235



In this issue:

-       Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-       Re: MtMan-List: rifles
-       MtMan-List: rifles
-       Re: MtMan-List: rifles
-       Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-       Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-       Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-       Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-       Re: MtMan-List: rifles
-       MtMan-List: rifles and mules
-       Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
-       Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-       Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:20:04 -0500
From: "GOOD OLD JOE" <jb04404@alltel.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

I have good luck using peroxide on chigger, flea and spider bites.
Following an illness, those little buggers really think I'm tasty.
Read somewhere that venoms are acidic and peroxide or baking soda paste will
neutralize them quickly.  Seems to work here. Old Joe

Joe Brott (Old Joe), Plattsmouth, Nebraska



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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:30:45 +0000
From: "don secondine" <dmdhsecondine@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles

Howdy Fellas,
There ain't nothin' like lookin' at old originals for documentation. The old 
scroll guard Henry and the Lancaster Pattern Henry as well as most pre-1830 
Pennsylvania rifles had swamped barrels on 'em. And ya can't beat 'em for 
balance and the full length(42"-44") give ya a longer sight radius which 
tends to give a rifle more accuracy at longer distances. Provided the fella 
pullin' the trigger does his part. If ya can possibly do it, see the 
collections of the Museum of the Fur Trade and the Davis Gun Museum at 
Claremore, Oklahoma. Plenty of documentable evidence that shows mountainy 
men carrying long guns on horse in period illustrations. The short Lemans 
and Hawkens were to late for the fur trappers pre-1839. Hope this helps ya 
in your decision makin' process on your new rifle gun.
Happy trails,
Don Secondine


>From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles
>Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:55:49 -0600
>
>Rick,
>
>I've been packing a 42" Lancaster on horses for several years now, through
>woods as well as open country here in the Rocky Mountains.  I figure if the
>original guys got used to is, so could I.
>
>When I started into the world of flintlocks I asked an experienced guy for
>recommendations.  His reply was simple, "get a good one".  What he meant 
>was
>don't buy a cheap flinter, hoping it'll work.  Buy a good one from a
>reputable maker.
>
>Jump in, you'll like it!  Eventually maybe you'll even get cured from
>mules.......<bg>
>
>Allen in Fort Hall Country
>
>At 05:06 AM 9/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hello to the camp, I'm coming in slow and easy looking for some 
>information
> >to help me find the correct path .
> >
> >I have basicly a 3 part question concering rifles of the 1800-1840
> >period.  I am looking to purchase a new rifle of the period and thought 
>it
> >best to do some research before I make the commitment both in dollars and
> >rilfe style.
> >
> > From what I have been reading it appears that starting around 1822 or so
> >that trade rifles were fairly common with the trapping brigades in the
> >west, with the Lancaster or american rifle and the English rifle being 
>the
> >most common.  Most of my information cmae from Hanson's "The Hawken 
>Rifle:
> >it's place in History.  Several other sources I read appeared to have
> >stated the same information as Hanson.  Any thought on these trade 
>rifles,
> >I am looking for the earlier style which is the reason I keyed on these 
>two
> >types.  What about rifles carried west by the induvidual
> >trapper/mountaineer, was the Lancaster style fairly common, how about
> >Southern , iron mounted types.
> >
> >Ok, now for part two:  I am a rather small man, 5'9". 130 lbs after a big
> >meal.  I try to spend most of my time forked over the back of a mule or 
>if
> >I have to a horse.  From what I gather most of the trade rifles were made
> >with barrel lengths of between 40"-44".  If I have a rifle made I was
> >thinking of haveing the barrel shortened to be more convienant for me 
>while
> >mounted.  My idea is to have it look as if it had been converted from its
> >original longer barrel length by a gunsmith.  Is there any documentation 
>on
> >this being done, I have seen a few references to rifles with barrels
> >shortened but most were of later Hawkins.
> >
> >And finally, if I do go with a shorter barrel, is there a point wre it 
>will
> >start to affect the accuracy of the rifle, ie: 30", 32",34".
> >
> >I look forward to hearing your comments.  By the way the question on 
>saddle
> >bags is a one that is long overdue.  Since I do spend most of my time
> >mounted I have been also searching for the right type of gear.
> >
> >Rick
> >
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:15:18 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: rifles

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Allen
    Git wat suits you. But for MM you should probably make it a pre-1830 =
style. My two cents take is that when these guys went west they were =
poor and brought whatever they could afford or steal.
    Any rifle or smoothbore that worked probably found its way up the MO =
river into the Rockies. Men came in all sizes then, just like they do =
now and if a man carried something he could not use effectively it ended =
up in the hands of his killers quickly.
    No doubt in my mind (that's not proof) that many Brown Besses and =
Charly'villes were cut down and carried west as were various rifles in =
various calibers.
    Again, no doubt, for rifles bigger bores were preferable. Get what =
works for you, if a 26" barrel is what you need that is what you need. =
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the trade off is sometimes in felt recoil. Its your choice.
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:45:46 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles

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Frank and the Camp,
You're right, lots of poor people came west.  But some that came west 
were not ALWAYS poor.  My family, for instance, lost big assets due to 
the AWI (as Patriots).  My family moved south, but if they had moved 
west I'd wager they brought the family bible, rifle, horn, and personal 
effects.
Sparks


Frank Fusco wrote:

> Allen
>     Git wat suits you. But for MM you should probably make it a 
> pre-1830 style. My two cents take is that when these guys went west 
> they were poor and brought whatever they could afford or steal.
>     Any rifle or smoothbore that worked probably found its way up the 
> MO river into the Rockies. Men came in all sizes then, just like they 
> do now and if a man carried something he could not use effectively it 
> ended up in the hands of his killers quickly.
>     No doubt in my mind (that's not proof) that many Brown Besses and 
> Charly'villes were cut down and carried west as were various rifles in 
> various calibers.
>     Again, no doubt, for rifles bigger bores were preferable. Get what 
> works for you, if a 26" barrel is what you need that is what you need. 
> Bigger bores do weigh less than smaller bores in same size barrel but 
> the trade off is sometimes in felt recoil. Its your choice.
> Frank



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Frank and the Camp,<br>
You're right, lots of poor people came west. &nbsp;But some that came west were
not ALWAYS poor. &nbsp;My family, for instance, lost big assets due to the AWI
(as Patriots). &nbsp;My family moved south, but if they had moved west I'd wager
they brought the family bible, rifle, horn, and personal effects. <br>
Sparks<br>
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Frank Fusco wrote:<br>
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style. My two cents take is that when these guys went west they  were poor
and brought whatever they could afford or steal.</div>
 
  <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Any rifle or smoothbore that worked probably found its  way up
the MO river into the Rockies. Men came in all sizes then, just like they
 do now and if a man carried something he could not use effectively it ended
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  <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No doubt in my mind (that's not proof) that many Brown  Besses
and Charly'villes were cut down and carried west as were various rifles  in
various calibers.</div>
 
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what works for you, if a 26" barrel is what you need that is  what you need.
Bigger bores do weigh less than smaller bores in same size barrel  but the
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:53:16 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

Pheremones?
HHHHHHMMMMmmmmmmmm
Pheremones are sexual scent attractants...usually used to decoy pests 
AWAY from something.  For me, using pheremones only works when I am out 
in the woods with a partner.  Good to know they will last for two weeks. 
 Got any tips on how to sneak it into your partners clothes?  I'd need 
to know that step :-)
Sparks



John Dearing wrote:

>
>>
>>
>> I have found nothing that will keep MO or KY chiggers off including 
>> pure DEET.
>
>
> Permanone from Waly world does an outstanding job of keeping me tick 
> and chigger free.
> Follow the directions on the spray can. Costs about six bucks a can. 
> One application to clothing will last about two weeks, through two 
> washings.  Permanone is the ONLY thing I have found to keep ticks and 
> chiggers off.
>
> I even spray my ground cloth when I go out in warm weather.
>
> J.D. in east central MO. where the little red beggars thrive.
>
>>> > > I'm interested in hearing how you that live in
>>> > chigger country deal with
>>> > the
>>> > > bites of them nasty little critters.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks,
>>> > >
>>> > > Allen, in Fort Hall country
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>>
>> If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong.
>> john <kramer@kramerize.com>
>>
>> Take a look at all the prime plunder being auctioned for the benefit 
>> of the American Mountain Men
>> http://amm-auction.com/
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:53:19 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

I'm thinking we mean to spell "premetheren", least without looking at my can
out in the shop I think that is right. It is actually a pesticide and is not
to be put on your skin. Spray it on cloths and bedding as directed and it is
supposed to be about the only thing that will keep ticks and etc. things
that crawl or jump onto you, off you.

Capt. Lahti'


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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!


> Pheremones?
> HHHHHHMMMMmmmmmmmm
> Pheremones are sexual scent attractants...usually used to decoy pests
> AWAY from something.  For me, using pheremones only works when I am out
> in the woods with a partner.  Good to know they will last for two weeks.
>  Got any tips on how to sneak it into your partners clothes?  I'd need
> to know that step :-)
> Sparks
>
>
>
> John Dearing wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I have found nothing that will keep MO or KY chiggers off including
> >> pure DEET.
> >
> >
> > Permanone from Waly world does an outstanding job of keeping me tick
> > and chigger free.
> > Follow the directions on the spray can. Costs about six bucks a can.
> > One application to clothing will last about two weeks, through two
> > washings.  Permanone is the ONLY thing I have found to keep ticks and
> > chiggers off.
> >
> > I even spray my ground cloth when I go out in warm weather.
> >
> > J.D. in east central MO. where the little red beggars thrive.
> >
> >>> > > I'm interested in hearing how you that live in
> >>> > chigger country deal with
> >>> > the
> >>> > > bites of them nasty little critters.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Allen, in Fort Hall country
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
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> >>> >
> >>
> >>
> >> If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong.
> >> john <kramer@kramerize.com>
> >>
> >> Take a look at all the prime plunder being auctioned for the benefit
> >> of the American Mountain Men
> >> http://amm-auction.com/
> >>
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:03:02 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

permethrin is the word I was looking for. This is an excerpt from a web page
offering Duranon* Tick Repellent.

Capt. L


Note: This tick repellent (Duranon) contains permethrin and is for treatment
of clothing only. Do not apply this to the skin.

http://www.travdoc.com/outpost/10.htm


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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:19:16 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

Wonder if PYRETHRIN (sp) from the Crysanthamum leaves would work too? Used
to use it alot in the Navy for bugs...

Ad


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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:26:57 -0600
From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles

 Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> wrote


> Jump in, you'll like it!  Eventually maybe you'll even get cured from
> mules.......<bg>
>

Allen
As I recall when we was in the middle of a six day ride and your tarps, cook
gear, and food were all hanging offn the side of a mule you did not seem to
think of them as an affliction.  As I recall the thought of a cold, hungry
camp encouraged wonderous amounts of kind words from the depth of your soul.
Now afore you get to graphic in curing things keep in mind those mules don't
forget.

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:49:39 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: rifles and mules

At 11:26 PM 9/8/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Allen
>As I recall when we was in the middle of a six day ride and your tarps, cook
>gear, and food were all hanging offn the side of a mule you did not seem to
>think of them as an affliction.  As I recall the thought of a cold, hungry
>camp encouraged wonderous amounts of kind words from the depth of your soul.
>Now afore you get to graphic in curing things keep in mind those mules don't
>forget.
>
>Wynn Ormond

Wynn,

You are right, that little darling mule of yours was a sweetheart, and a
fine pack critter.  Tempermental though, I reckon...... why, I recall that
rodeo that she gave you on our beaver camp a couple of years ago.  Course,
you don't recall much of that short ride after landing on your head!  Sure
glad you missed the rock!

We need to get on a ride to discuss the merits of the mules, horses, long
and short rifles and other issues of importance!!!

Take care, Brother!

Allen



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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:40:34 EDT
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?

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In a message dated 9/7/2003 3:25:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
beaverboy@sofast.net writes:


>   Does anyone know how to keep pigeons from roosting where they're not
> wanted? We have two plastic owls up there now and they roost next to
> them!
> 

A couple of things that seem to work here in Las Vegas:  

First: The high rise hotels have started planting hawks & eagles on their 
roofs.  Where the big birds have "taken" they've done considerable damage to the 
pigeon population.  

Second: At a place I used to work, we had a problem with ravens & pigeons 
roosting on our heavy equipment, especially on the big American & Manitowoc 
cranes that were usually parked with 200+ feet of "stick" (boom).  The solution 
there was "bird cannon".  These noise makers operate on propane.  They're clock 
controlled to come on about 3:30 - 4:00 PM & run until dark.  They fire 
randomly and are on a pivot so they spin & fire in a different direction nearly every 
time.  When they fire, they mimic a 12 bore smoothie with about a three dram 
load.  'Course this would be about the same as you shooting birds as far as 
close neighbors are concerned.  One thing we learned with the bird guns is they 
have to be moved periodically or the birds get used to them.  With this in 
mind, you might try moving your fake owls every week or so.  With that large 
roof, it shouldn't be hard to reposition the owls.  They need to be moved 20 feet 
or so.  Maybe set 'em up on a rope controlled trolley so you don't have to get 
up on the roof so often.  Same would apply to the rubber snakes.
Nauga Mok

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t Time, beaverboy@sofast.net writes:<BR>
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keep pigeons from roosting where they're not<BR>
wanted? We have two plastic owls up there now and they roost next to<BR>
them!<BR>
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A couple of things that seem to work here in Las Vegas:&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
First: The high rise hotels have started planting hawks &amp; eagles on thei=
r roofs.&nbsp; Where the big birds have "taken" they've done considerable da=
mage to the pigeon population.&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
Second: At a place I used to work, we had a problem with ravens &amp; pigeon=
s roosting on our heavy equipment, especially on the big American &amp; Mani=
towoc cranes that were usually parked with 200+ feet of "stick" (boom).&nbsp=
; The solution there was "bird cannon".&nbsp; These noise makers operate on=20=
propane.&nbsp; They're clock controlled to come on about 3:30 - 4:00 PM &amp=
; run until dark.&nbsp; They fire randomly and are on a pivot so they spin &=
amp; fire in a different direction nearly every time.&nbsp; When they fire,=20=
they mimic a 12 bore smoothie with about a three dram load.&nbsp; 'Course th=
is would be about the same as you shooting birds as far as close neighbors a=
re concerned.&nbsp; One thing we learned with the bird guns is they have to=20=
be moved periodically or the birds get used to them.&nbsp; With this in mind=
, you might try moving your fake owls every week or so.&nbsp; With that larg=
e roof, it shouldn't be hard to reposition the owls.&nbsp; They need to be m=
oved 20 feet or so.&nbsp; Maybe set 'em up on a rope controlled trolley so y=
ou don't have to get up on the roof so often.&nbsp; Same would apply to the=20=
rubber snakes.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 06:14:34 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

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Thanks for the explanation!
Makes a big difference.
Sparks

roger lahti wrote:

>I'm thinking we mean to spell "premetheren", least without looking at my can
>out in the shop I think that is right. It is actually a pesticide and is not
>to be put on your skin. Spray it on cloths and bedding as directed and it is
>supposed to be about the only thing that will keep ticks and etc. things
>that crawl or jump onto you, off you.
>
>Capt. Lahti'
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>>Pheremones?
>>HHHHHHMMMMmmmmmmmm
>>Pheremones are sexual scent attractants...usually used to decoy pests
>>AWAY from something.  For me, using pheremones only works when I am out
>>in the woods with a partner.  Good to know they will last for two weeks.
>> Got any tips on how to sneak it into your partners clothes?  I'd need
>>to know that step :-)
>>Sparks
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>>John Dearing wrote:
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>>>>I have found nothing that will keep MO or KY chiggers off including
>>>>pure DEET.
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>>>Permanone from Waly world does an outstanding job of keeping me tick
>>>and chigger free.
>>>Follow the directions on the spray can. Costs about six bucks a can.
>>>One application to clothing will last about two weeks, through two
>>>washings.  Permanone is the ONLY thing I have found to keep ticks and
>>>chiggers off.
>>>
>>>I even spray my ground cloth when I go out in warm weather.
>>>
>>>J.D. in east central MO. where the little red beggars thrive.
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>>>>>>>I'm interested in hearing how you that live in
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>>>>>>chigger country deal with
>>>>>>the
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>>>>>>>bites of them nasty little critters.
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>>>>>>>Thanks,
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>>>>>>>Allen, in Fort Hall country
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>>>>Take a look at all the prime plunder being auctioned for the benefit
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Thanks for the explanation!<br>
Makes a big difference.<br>
Sparks<br>
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roger lahti wrote:<br>
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  <pre wrap="">I'm thinking we mean to spell "premetheren", least without looking at my can
out in the shop I think that is right. It is actually a pesticide and is not
to be put on your skin. Spray it on cloths and bedding as directed and it is
supposed to be about the only thing that will keep ticks and etc. things
that crawl or jump onto you, off you.

Capt. Lahti'


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    <pre wrap="">Pheremones?
HHHHHHMMMMmmmmmmmm
Pheremones are sexual scent attractants...usually used to decoy pests
AWAY from something.  For me, using pheremones only works when I am out
in the woods with a partner.  Good to know they will last for two weeks.
 Got any tips on how to sneak it into your partners clothes?  I'd need
to know that step :-)
Sparks



John Dearing wrote:

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I have found nothing that will keep MO or KY chiggers off including
pure DEET.
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Permanone from Waly world does an outstanding job of keeping me tick
and chigger free.
Follow the directions on the spray can. Costs about six bucks a can.
One application to clothing will last about two weeks, through two
washings.  Permanone is the ONLY thing I have found to keep ticks and
chiggers off.

I even spray my ground cloth when I go out in warm weather.

J.D. in east central MO. where the little red beggars thrive.

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              <pre wrap="">I'm interested in hearing how you that live in
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the
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              <pre wrap="">bites of them nasty little critters.

Thanks,

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If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong.
john <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kramer@kramerize.com">&lt;kramer@kramerize.com&gt;</a>

Take a look at all the prime plunder being auctioned for the benefit
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:00:37 -0500
From: John Dearing <jdearing@brick.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!

I think that permethrin is the refined form of pyrethrin, which is the 
component of chrysanthemums that kills insects. So Chrysanthimum leaves 
should work to some degree.

I looked at the can on Permanone and it says it repels ticks, chiggers, 
mites and mosquitoes.Kills 'em dead is more like it. I have found dead 
ticks on my hunting clothes, several times. So yes products containing 
permethrin do work very well to keep the critters from getting under your 
skin.  Pun intended ;-)

J.D.


>Wonder if PYRETHRIN (sp) from the Crysanthamum leaves would work too? Used
>to use it alot in the Navy for bugs...
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