From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1242 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, September 16 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1242 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark -       Re: MtMan-List: Authenticity -       Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Saddle Bags OT -       Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Saddle Bags -       Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark -       Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark -       MtMan-List: A J MILLER PAINTING -       Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark -       Re: MtMan-List: A J MILLER PAINTING -       Re: MtMan-List: A J MILLER PAINTING -       MtMan-List: Blatant Commerical For Rick Fisher, Deceased Poem & Story Tapes -       Re: MtMan-List: Blatant Commerical ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:32:32 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark I think the original discussion was about what dog breeds might be period correct.....seems like mountain man discussion list stuff to me. The thread did wander a bit but I doubt any harm was done. Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Darilek" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Snide remark > Can someone tell me how to get off this dog discussion list and get back > on the mountain man discussion list? > > Glenn Darilek > Iron Burner > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:21:30 -0600 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Authenticity Bruce, Your point is easy to understand and makes sense in the context of what you've said, but the word "history" doesn't appear anywhere in your email. "Historical authenticity" is what we are about here. Modern Native Americans say everything they do is authentic because they are real natives. They don't understand our pursuit of historical authenticity. Todd On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:03:10 -0400 "Bruce and Mary Nail" writes: > All the discussing the finer points of articles "documented" by > paintings > and such causes me to recall the time I was in the "convenience" > store a > while back and happened to notice a couple of gents standing there > with cups > of coffee discussing some topic or other when I realized that they > were > lumberjacks steeling themselves for the day's work in the northern > Michigan > woods. I couldn't help notice their attire, flannel, denim, sorrel > boots, > and the ubiquitous carhardt coats. These were men who were very > comfortable > with the woods, and not one was any glamorous "woodsman" but I bet > any one > of them could tell you anything you wanted to know about the woods > in which > they worked. > My point is that they took off the shelf everything they needed > for > working the woods, and so too should we. If it was available, then > use it; > it doesn't work out, then discard it. It's what our modern-day > woodsmen > do, and I guarantee it's what the trappers did too. > For my twoo cents, utility+availability equals authenticity. > Hope to see y'al on the trail > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:36:22 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Saddle Bags OT - -------------------------------1063679782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/15/2003 6:31:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amm1719@charter.net writes: the Atkins diet Well, either we're way off-topic or we're talking about those 'saddle bags' we humans carry around with us.... ;) As a personal aside, I've done Atkins, which was painful if you love breads, sweets, etc, but worked, and then I went to Weight Watchers. Down 30 pounds in half as many weeks, and can eat anything I want, long as I keep track of its point value and stay withing my range + freebies for the day. Honestly haven't been hungry except maybe for the first couple of days, then started eating zero point foods as snacks. Many foods are easily gotten under name brands that have the 'point value' right on the package. This makes it way convenient! They even have the program available on the internet now so you don't have to go to a danged meeting! Barney - -------------------------------1063679782 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- -------------------------------1063679782-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:38:03 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Saddle Bags Rex Normon wrote "A common lament amoung Westerners is 'there isn't enough information.' In reality there is a great deal of information, however. it is only now beginning to become accessible." Miller does get fuzzy in places that just torment the eyeballs, but even if he does not show the bit in one painting or the sturrip in another there is plenty that he does show to give us a good idea on those kind of visible things. "Saddle horns", saddle trees and rigging are even harder to try to see. Dale do you know about the Indian made sturrips that Miller is painting? They are bent wood covered with rawhide but the construction is upside down to the stirrups we are used to. The bent wood forms the top of the sturrip and the flat base joins it together. So what's up with the shaved tails? I had wondered if those animals had a lot of donkey in the mix and got those tails from Dad. Why did they take away the fly swatter? Wynn - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Nelson To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Saddle Bags > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wynn Ormond" > > > > then there were never any white women wearing calico dresses at the > > > rendezvous. Miller never drew them, but from another source I found out > > > they were there every year from 1836 to 1840. See what I mean? > > > > Then you have documentation right? Miller has his weaknesses no doubt. > He > > aint the only one but he was there. > > Yes, we have documentation on white women, and also on horse gear via the > Smithsonian, and others that have researched this same topic, not just > Miller's drawings. The trouble is when it comes to taps you won't accept > the source as being valid so I reckon that's what all this has been about > anyhow. Valid sources. You might not like the idea of taps, but I'm > satisfied that taps were used not just because they protect the feet and it > keeps one's moc clad foot from ending up through the stirrup and hung up, > but because we all agree that they were used in the southwest and in > California at that time. There might not be any proof that taps were used > on the Upper Missouri by someone actually saying or a painting showing them. > But I'm not going to change my mind either, because so far I've seen more > proof that monkey faced taps are of that era than I have that they are wrong > on the frontier. I think any kind of taps would more likely be wrong in > Penn. or New Jersey than on the upper Missouri. One fact we shouldn't > forget, and I tend to not think about myself, but the trade was also in what > was then Mexico. The border with Mexico wasn't far south of Denver, and > these guys were traveling far and wide. And just the fact the Mexican horse > gear was better than anything else has to mean something. If it was made in > Santa Fe and Taos, and being used there, and the mountain men were there, > then they were using it as is. If the maker put taps on the stirrups, I'd > bet they weren't taken off. Also, Spanish bits were in use by the Nez > Perce when Lewis and Clark arrived, and they were the first white folks the > Nez Perce had seen (I think). I don't think anyone knows if they were spade > bits from Calif. or came via Comanche then Shoshone to Nez Perce, but they > had them. We know the stuff was there, being used by Indians, so why not > whites? > > > > What does a cowboy stirrup look like. > > > The bent wood sturruips sometimes > > wrapped that we see on most saddles in the department store. They may a > > 1000 years old and used elsewhere but I haven't seen much to support them > in > > the Rocky Mtn fur trade. > > The ones nowdays on cheap saddles that are lined with metal would certainly > be wrong. But bent wood stirrups are shown -- covered in rawhide in some > cases -- on Indian saddles. So why > not on the Sante Fe saddle also? Miller's painting of the lost greenhorn > looks like the guy is on an Indian pad saddle, and the stirrups are bent > wood, with the foot part looking like a stirrup from a Knights in Armor > saddle. Almost the full length of the foot. That's also a good painting to > get an idea of how small the Indian ponies really were. And he's using a > snaffel bit on the pony. Now this is where Miller gets to be really > disappointing -- because there is always a person, or grass, or brush in > front of what you want to see. Never enough detail, like he avoids detail > by covering it up. I've gone back and looked at some of his paintings that > I have prints of, and there just isn't that much detail. First there is > "Pierre, Rocky Mountain Trapper" by Miller. Pierre is riding a mule, with a > Spanish saddle and with a bit with shanks, like probably a curb bit of some > sort, but he is sitting in front of the stirrups. Same thing in Millers > "Lost Trapper" -- he's riding a mule that's bridled with what looks like a > store bought outfit. Miller's got you in close enough to see the brow band, > throat latch and the buckle above the bit, but grass covers the bit, that is > just a hint of what might be the shanks of a curb bit, and the trapper is > standing in front of the stirrups. Then there is the "Trapper in his > Solitary Camp" cooking a rack of ribs and cleaning or loading his rifle. > You can't see a horn on the saddle on account of the mule's head is in the > way, again a bit with shanks, a brow band on the bridle and what looks to me > like bent wood stirrups. It very well could be an Indian pad saddle and > Indian stirrups, there is no way to prove differently, but he has what looks > to be the white man's bridle. Then there is the "Trappers Starting for the > Hunt". Three of themn are heading out. One looks like an Indian (he has > bow and arrows but he could well be white) with a large Mexican style cantle > on his saddle and he looks to be riding a horse. Another is riding a shaved > tail, no doubt a mule, with a crupper under his tail. It's a color painting > done in black and white, and I can't see any kind of a stirrup. When you > look at artists that are up 30 years after 1840, like Russel and other > painters of the 1850's to '70's they show the sawed cottonwood stirrups. > Anytime that I've been able to find a stirrup done by Miller it looks like a > curved wooden one like the Smithsonian shows on Indian saddles. I've not > seen a sawed cottonwood stirrup on a Miller saddle. Does that mean they > weren't their either? We know Santa Fe saddles used them also. > > > Dale, this whole thing has gotten out of hand. > > Naw, I don't think it's out of hand. You sure have driven me back to the > books, and it's been kind of fun. You think you sound old and opinionated, > shucks, I am old and opinionated. I researched this stuff years ago, until > I had pretty well satisfied myself what would be right. But that was a long > time ago, and you have made me go back and look again. Divorce got the > ranch, and I no longer have horses, so it is no longer that important to me, > but fun to remember anyhow. Haven't shod a horse sense my belly got too big > to bend over it. Last time I nailed on shoes it was like I was diving under > water every time I bent over. Had to come up for a breath before I could > drive the next nail. Don't worry about things getting out of hand, do all > you can now, on account of life is too short, and looking back I didn't get > done half what I wanted to. I aint dead yet, but there aint enough time or > money to do it all now. I have gotten almost 60 pounds off my gut though, > and I'm feeling good enough I just might saddle up and head for the back > country one more time. Sold my shoeing tools and anvil to buy this stupid > computer that I keep screwed up half the time. I still have my roping > saddle, and I keep thinking that I need to get mounted and get back to team > roping, that's a really great old guys sport. Enough of this. > > > not going to back off my personal beliefs but I should n't be trying to > push > > them on everyone else. > > It's a lot more fun to have all your ducks in a row and let them come to > you. > Dale Nelson > Roseburg, OR > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:00:11 -0500 From: "JIM BRYAN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_060D_01C37BE5.7FC48A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remain unharmed, at any rate.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark I think the original discussion was about what dog breeds might be = period correct.....seems like mountain man discussion list stuff to me. The = thread did wander a bit but I doubt any harm was done. Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Glenn Darilek" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Snide remark > Can someone tell me how to get off this dog discussion list and get = back > on the mountain man discussion list? > > Glenn Darilek > Iron Burner > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_060D_01C37BE5.7FC48A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remain unharmed, at any rate....
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I think the original discussion was about what dog = breeds might=20 be period
correct.....seems like mountain man discussion list stuff = to=20 me.  The thread
did wander a bit but I doubt any harm was=20 done.
Lanney Ratcliff



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- ------=_NextPart_000_060D_01C37BE5.7FC48A60-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:36:14 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII just wait till my dogs get ye ...... Randy - ----- Original Message ----- From: JIM BRYAN To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: 9/15/03 10:00:14 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark I remain unharmed, at any rate.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanney Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark I think the original discussion was about what dog breeds might be period correct.....seems like mountain man discussion list stuff to me. The thread did wander a bit but I doubt any harm was done. Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Darilek" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Snide remark > Can someone tell me how to get off this dog discussion list and get back > on the mountain man discussion list? > > Glenn Darilek > Iron Burner > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
just wait till my dogs get ye ......  <g>   Randy
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
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I remain unharmed, at any rate....
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I think the original discussion was about what dog breeds might be period
correct.....seems like mountain man discussion list stuff to me.  The thread
did wander a bit but I doubt any harm was done.
Lanney Ratcliff



----- Original Message -----
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To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:17 AM
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> Can someone tell me how to get off this dog discussion list and get back
> on the mountain man discussion list?
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> Glenn Darilek
> Iron Burner
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- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:58:36 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: A J MILLER PAINTING The Amon Carter Museum in Ft Worth just added another Alfred Jacob Miller painting to its collection.......Buffalo Hunt. Don't miss the Carter when you're in Ft Worth. It's right across the street from the Kimball Museum, both world class museums. gallerydb.com/artists/Miller914/ art/small/buffalohun1482.jp Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: George Noe Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snide remark - --0-1830194733-1063725132=:85175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Shucks, Glen Just saddle one of them dogs with a "Mt.Man" saddle and ride on !!!! I am wondering how effective those New Foundlands" were in saving the sailors ? If the one drownrd the deer befor it retrieved it, what did they do to the men ?? grn George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software - --0-1830194733-1063725132=:85175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Shucks, Glen

 Just saddle one of them dogs with a "Mt.Man" saddle and ride on !!!!<grin>

 I am wondering how effective those New Foundlands" were in saving the sailors ?

If the one drownrd the deer befor it retrieved it, what did they do to the men ??

grn

 

 



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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software - --0-1830194733-1063725132=:85175-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:52:56 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A J MILLER PAINTING Good info Lanney Anyone know of locations where Miller paintings can be viewed and which paintings. This would be good for traveling stops. Alfred Jacob Miller 1810-1874 The Amon Carter Museum in Ft Worth "Buffalo Hunt" Or other Artists? George Bingham 1811-1879 Charles Deas 1818-1867 Karl Bodmer 1809-1893 Rudolph Kurz 1818-1871 Peter Rindisbacher 1806-1834 William Ranney 1813-1857 Arthur Tait 1819-1905 George Catlin 1796-1872 John Mix Stanley 1814-1872 Charles Wimar 1828-1862 Seth Eastman 1808-1862 Or others that have that have made sketches Thanks Mark #1849 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:49:32 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A J MILLER PAINTING Click here for the Carter Museum. The collection is vast and includes perhaps more Russell and Remingtons than anywhere else in the world. I'm almost certain that the museum has other Miller paintings as well. http://www.cartermuseum.org/information_set.html The Kimbell Museum is beyond description......among the very best in the world. It's incredible and is across the street from the Carter. http://www.kimbellart.org/information/info.cfm?id=54 I don't think there are any A J Miller's in there, but there are other pretty good painters' stuff. Van Gogh, Rembrandt.....folks like that. Plus you are about two miles from the old FtWorth Stockyards where a person can eat, drink and be merry....big time. Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A J MILLER PAINTING > Good info Lanney > Anyone know of locations where Miller paintings can be viewed and which > paintings. > This would be good for traveling stops. > > Alfred Jacob Miller 1810-1874 > The Amon Carter Museum in Ft Worth "Buffalo Hunt" > > Or other Artists? > George Bingham 1811-1879 > Charles Deas 1818-1867 > Karl Bodmer 1809-1893 > Rudolph Kurz 1818-1871 > Peter Rindisbacher 1806-1834 > William Ranney 1813-1857 > Arthur Tait 1819-1905 > George Catlin 1796-1872 > John Mix Stanley 1814-1872 > Charles Wimar 1828-1862 > Seth Eastman 1808-1862 > Or others that have that have made sketches > > Thanks Mark #1849 > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:08:46 -0500 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: MtMan-List: Blatant Commerical For Rick Fisher, Deceased Poem & Story Tapes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C37C5C.0B30F860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick Fisher's tapes Tales of the Trail are now available. The cost is = $12.00 which includes shipping and a pricey padded envelope. As many of you know, Rick, a skilled AMM Brother, who died unexpectedly = in June while attending a rendezvous in Kansas, was a gifted story = teller and poet. This tape, produced and released just before he died = contains some of his best stories and poems, and includes music by Bill = Ramsel. Regretably, it also includes the Ole Blue Hankie saga, otherwise known, = in some circles, as Pablo, the Stupid Horseman, but I have found no way = to remove it without damaging an otherwise fine collection. For those interested, contact me off list. I work on the honor system = so if you tell me you are mailing me $12.00, I will immediately ship the = tape to anyone so interested. Regards, Paul Paul W. Jones 4609 Waycross Houston, Texas 77035 - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C37C5C.0B30F860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick Fisher's tapes Tales of the Trail = are=20 now available.  The cost is $12.00 which includes shipping and a = pricey=20 padded envelope.
 
As many of you know, Rick, a = skilled AMM Brother,=20 who died unexpectedly in June while attending a rendezvous in = Kansas, was a=20 gifted story teller and poet.  This tape, produced and released = just before=20 he died contains some of his best stories and poems, and includes music = by Bill=20 Ramsel.
 
Regretably, it also includes the Ole = Blue=20 Hankie saga, otherwise known, in some circles, as Pablo, = the=20 Stupid Horseman, but I have found no way to remove it without damaging = an=20 otherwise fine collection.
 
For those interested, contact me off = list.  I=20 work on the honor system so if you tell me you are mailing me $12.00, I = will=20 immediately ship the tape to anyone so interested.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C37C5C.0B30F860-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:46:49 -0500 From: "John McKee" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blatant Commerical This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C37C69.BE0F4D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, Money is on the way. =20 YFAB, John The Stitchin' Scotsman 100% Handsewn Elkhide garments and moccasins Manu Forti www.stitchinscotsman.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Jones=20 To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com ; hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Blatant Commerical For Rick Fisher, Deceased Poem = & Story Tapes Rick Fisher's tapes Tales of the Trail are now available. The cost is = $12.00 which includes shipping and a pricey padded envelope. As many of you know, Rick, a skilled AMM Brother, who died = unexpectedly in June while attending a rendezvous in Kansas, was a = gifted story teller and poet. This tape, produced and released just = before he died contains some of his best stories and poems, and includes = music by Bill Ramsel. Regretably, it also includes the Ole Blue Hankie saga, otherwise = known, in some circles, as Pablo, the Stupid Horseman, but I have found = no way to remove it without damaging an otherwise fine collection. For those interested, contact me off list. I work on the honor system = so if you tell me you are mailing me $12.00, I will immediately ship the = tape to anyone so interested. Regards, Paul Paul W. Jones 4609 Waycross Houston, Texas 77035 - ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C37C69.BE0F4D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul,
    Money is on the way.   
YFAB,   John
 
 
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, = 2003 2:08=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Blatant = Commerical=20 For Rick Fisher, Deceased Poem & Story Tapes

Rick Fisher's tapes Tales of the Trail = are=20 now available.  The cost is $12.00 which includes shipping and a = pricey=20 padded envelope.
 
As many of you know, Rick, a = skilled AMM=20 Brother, who died unexpectedly in June while attending a = rendezvous in=20 Kansas, was a gifted story teller and poet.  This tape, produced = and=20 released just before he died contains some of his best stories and = poems, and=20 includes music by Bill Ramsel.
 
Regretably, it also includes the Ole = Blue=20 Hankie saga, otherwise known, in some circles, as = Pablo, the=20 Stupid Horseman, but I have found no way to remove it without damaging = an=20 otherwise fine collection.
 
For those interested, contact me off = list.  I=20 work on the honor system so if you tell me you are mailing me $12.00, = I will=20 immediately ship the tape to anyone so = interested.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
Paul W. Jones
4609 Waycross
Houston, Texas=20 77035
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