From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1262 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 9 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1262 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles -       MtMan-List: Fwd: honors -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles -       MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:59:34 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:59:34 -0600 -       MtMan-List: Birch Bark Canoe -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:31:58 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles We know Colter was given his issued rifle in 1806 for his duty. So I guess that would be the starting date. beaverboy > The discussion as to whether the '03 Harpers Ferry > rifle went on the grand journey has been interesting, > and if I was an L&C reenactor it would be quite > important. What I feel is more important as a fur > trade reenactor is when did they become available to > the public? Did they appear out west at all? what > about what military units they did get issued to? > Anyone have info on this aspect of a beautiful rifle's > destiny? Dog, Hiv. # 617 > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:44:05 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: honors - --part1_15f.27f951a4.2cdd33e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_15f.27f951a4.2cdd33e5_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg02.mx.aol.com (rly-xg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.199]) by air-xg01.mail.aol.com (v97.8) with ESMTP id MAILINXG13-4503fa8e22e159; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:42:46 -0500 Received: from m26.lax.untd.com (m26.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.89]) by rly-xg02.mx.aol.com (v97.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG24-4503fa8e22e159; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:42:38 -0500 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"lqAos5E7UOXh4rqlF+5/V+EkDvRmmNqWICNjfdniAe4FmK0o3OhEIA==">; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:41:53 PST Received: (from brokenshell@juno.com) by m26.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JD8H82DC; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:41:53 PST To: GazeingCyot@cs.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:40:15 -0800 Subject: Re: honors Message-ID: <20031105.034015.192.9.brokenshell@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_47cc.4007.293c X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,10,13-25,33,34-32767 From: tonda K Harrup X-AOL-IP: 64.136.30.89 - ----__JNP_000_47cc.4007.293c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I have in George Bird Grinnnell book The Cheyenne Indians. They speak a little on societies and say that women who have done things of this nature where credited as were bravery and success in war among the men. Hope that helped best I could on what I got. but I have heard/read that women who had done so many hides or made so many lodges where held in greatness as any brave warrior who had counted many coup. Tues, 4 Nov 2003 22:59:02 EST GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: Thanks Rick, But no it was bison not beaver, I remember hearing someone talk about Indian woman receiving a certain award for dressing their first 50 robes and for additional 25 or so and so on after that, sort of like hash marks. I can't remember the details but at the time I realized the amount of work it would have taken to dress 50 bison robes. I can't believe no one else has heard of this. Maybe it's not true. Thanks anyway Rick. BB For my industry in dressing skins, my clan Aunt, Sage, gave me a woman's belt. it was as broad as my three fingers, and covered with blue beads. One end was made very long, to hang down before me. Only a very industrious girl was given such a belt. She could not buy or make one....I was as proud of mine as a war leader of his first scalp. I won other honors for my industry. For embroidering a robe for my father with porcupine quills I was given a brass ring." Buffalo Bird Woman, Hidatsa, born about 1839 Jill Anyone else remember reading something on this? - ----__JNP_000_47cc.4007.293c Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I have in George Bird Grinnnell book The Cheyenne Indians. Th= ey=20 speak a little on societies and say that women who have done things of this=20 nature where credited as were bravery and success in war among the men.= =20
Hope that helped best I could on what I got. but I have heard/read that= =20 women who had done so many hides or made so many lodges where held in greatn= ess=20 as any brave warrior who had counted many coup. 
Tues, 4 Nov 2003 22:59:02 EST Ga= zeingCyot@cs.com writes:

Thanks Rick,
  But no it was bison not beaver, I=20 remember hearing someone talk about
Indian woman receiving a certain a= ward=20 for dressing their first 50
robes and for additional 25 or so and so o= n=20 after that, sort of like
hash marks. I can't remember the details but=20= at=20 the time I realized the
amount of work it would have taken to dress 50= =20 bison robes.
  I can't believe no one else has heard of this= .=20 Maybe it's not true.
  Thanks anyway Rick.=20
      BB

For my industry in dres= sing=20 skins, my clan Aunt, Sage, gave me a woman's belt. it was as broad as my t= hree=20 fingers, and covered with blue beads. One end was made very long, to hang=20= down=20 before me.  Only a very industrious girl was given such a belt. She c= ould=20 not buy or make one....I was as proud of mine as a war leader of his first= =20 scalp. I won other honors for my industry. For embroidering a robe for my=20 father with porcupine quills I was given a brass ring." Buffalo Bird Woman= ,=20 Hidatsa, born about 1839     Jill=20
      Anyone else remember reading somet= hing=20 on this?


 
- ----__JNP_000_47cc.4007.293c-- - --part1_15f.27f951a4.2cdd33e5_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:36:31 EST From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles - -------------------------------1068240991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/2003 10:33:04 AM Central Standard Time, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: We know Colter was given his issued rifle in 1806 for his duty. So I guess that would be the starting date. If indeed it was an 'o3 model. Longshot - -------------------------------1068240991 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/7/2003 10:33:04 AM Central Standard Time, beaverb= oy@sofast.net writes:
We know Colter was given his issued rifle in 1= 806 for his duty. So I guess
that would be the starting date.
 
If indeed it was an 'o3 model.
 
 
Longshot - -------------------------------1068240991-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:28:22 -0700 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:59:34 -0600 An old (high school) friend of my brother has a very interesting job with the government and he sometimes sends us some amazing photos. Anybody interested in seeing a shot of the recent San Diego area fires from orbit? Post me directly and I will send it back as an attachment. Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:22:56 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles beaverboy, I'm thinking that many have pretty much come to the conclusion that what Colter got was his contract rifle simply because the "1803" probably didn't go with the expedition. So it was some time long after that when they started to appear if at all in the general fur trade. Capt. L - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:11:25 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:59:34 -0600 Lanney That sound worth seeing. Wynn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" To: "AMM" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:59:34 -0600 > An old (high school) friend of my brother has a very interesting job with > the government and he sometimes sends us some amazing photos. Anybody > interested in seeing a shot of the recent San Diego area fires from orbit? > Post me directly and I will send it back as an attachment. > > > Lanney Ratcliff > lanneyratcliff@charter.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Aux Aliments du Pays > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:41:44 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Birch Bark Canoe - --part1_1c8.118e6e8d.2cdecb28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello in the camps. If any of you are interested in getting a Birch Bark Canoe there is one on Ebay that I think is real reasonable. To those of you that have seen it sorry for letting the cat out of the bag. I have a bid on it but am not going to pursue it any more. Do to up keep the dry air out west I would think would be hard on it and make for a leaky canoe and for a lot regular patching of seems. Any why it's 17 1/2 foot that need some patching done and it's ready to go. Wow! what a looker it would be nice to see it go to a good home. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3636207391&category=23800& rd=1 If any of ya get it ya owe me a ride in it. Take care and see ya on the water. Crazy Cyot - --part1_1c8.118e6e8d.2cdecb28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello in the camps.
If any of you are interested in getting a Birch Bark Canoe there is one=20= on Ebay that I think is real reasonable. To those of you that have seen it s= orry for letting the cat out of the bag. I have a bid on it but am not going= to pursue it any more. Do to up keep the dry air out west I would think wou= ld be hard on it and make for a leaky canoe and for a lot regular patching o= f seems.
Any why it's 17 1/2 foot that need some patching done and it's ready to=20= go. Wow! what a looker it would be nice to see it go to a good home.=20
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am= p;item=3D3636207391&category=3D23800&rd=3D1

If any of ya get it ya owe me a ride in it.
Take care and see ya on the water.
Crazy Cyot - --part1_1c8.118e6e8d.2cdecb28_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:08:34 EST From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles - --part1_ad.35bbce0f.2cded172_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/2003 7:06:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, mail4dog@yahoo.com writes: > Did they appear out west at all? what > about what military units they did get issued to? > What about Zebulon Pike's expedition? What did they carry? That journey was problem laden as Louis & Clark's was trouble free. And, since it wasn't the first expedition, it's not as well known or doccumented. Might be worth diging up some info in this area. Nauga Mok - --part1_ad.35bbce0f.2cded172_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/7/2003 7:06:17 AM Pacific Standa= rd Time, mail4dog@yahoo.com writes:


Did they appear out west at all= ?  what
about what military units they did get issued to?


What about Zebulon Pike's expedition?  What did they carry?  That=20= journey was problem laden as Louis & Clark's was trouble free.  And= , since it wasn't the first expedition, it's not as well known or doccumente= d.  Might be worth diging up some info in this area.
Nauga Mok - --part1_ad.35bbce0f.2cded172_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:08:28 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles Longshot, You are correct! That is the big question and can of worms I will not open. I've been watching this arguement for quite some time in the L&C talkes and I'm not convinced either way. I shoot a fusee. bb > If indeed it was an 'o3 model. > > > Longshot > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1262 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.