From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1272 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, November 22 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1272 In this issue: -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Looking for information on a gunmaker -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on a gunmaker -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: "Schaller -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: bedding & Trail tough -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on a gunmaker -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: trail hardened -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: A Buck at last! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:40:32 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Looking for information on a gunmaker - --part1_fb.4a2c4209.2ceb18e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I am looking for information on a lock maker named "Schaller." The gun in question is a flintlock pistol with an octagon, rifled barrel 10 inches in length. That's about all the info I have. Thanks for your help, Jim Hardee, AMM #1676 P.O. Box 1228\ Quincy, CA 95971 (530) 283-4566 (H) (530) 283-3330 (W) - --part1_fb.4a2c4209.2ceb18e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all,

I am looking for information on a lock maker named "Schaller." The gun in qu= estion is a flintlock pistol with an octagon, rifled barrel 10 inches in len= gth. That's about all the info I have.

Thanks for your help,

Jim Hardee, AMM #1676
P.O. Box 1228\
Quincy, CA 95971
(530) 283-4566 (H)
(530) 283-3330 (W) - --part1_fb.4a2c4209.2ceb18e0_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:53:48 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on a gunmaker This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_67c5.3710.5840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jim there as a "Schaller" that lived and worked in wichita kansas from about 1940 to about 1972 when he died ---he was not a gunmaker but a lockmaker and all his locks were hand made and machined he used no castings in his locks---I have 3 guns with his locks and they are marked on the inside of the plate---his locks were not cheep and cost about $100 back in the early 70's---the flint ones were exceptional and i have one that he made that is similar to a ders egg with a roller frizzen I also have a percussion one on a hawken pistol that is the same as the one in john beards book---he was a cadalac lockmaker of his time--- there was also a gunmaker with the same name from penn. that is dated about 1820 --1850---dont have the exact page but he is in dillen and also in thoughts of the kentuckey in the golden age---just a couple of one liners robin might have more info as he has a good early reference book of english and foreign makers---I have included him in this note to the Mt Man chat so that he can respond to you direct "Hawk" - ----__JNP_000_67c5.3710.5840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

jim

there as a "Schaller" that lived and = worked in=20 wichita kansas from about 1940 to about 1972 when he died ---he was not a=20 gunmaker but a lockmaker and all his locks were hand made and machined he = used=20 no castings in his locks---I have 3 guns with his locks and they are marked= on=20 the inside of the plate---his locks were not cheep and cost about $100 back= in=20 the early 70's---the flint ones were exceptional and i have one that he = made=20 that is similar to a ders egg with a roller frizzen I also have a = percussion one=20 on a hawken pistol that is the same as the one in john beards book---he was= a=20 cadalac lockmaker of his time---

there was also a gunmaker with the same = name from=20 penn. that is dated about 1820 --1850---dont have the exact page but he is = in=20 dillen and also in thoughts of the kentuckey in the golden age---just a = couple=20 of one liners

robin might have more info as he has = a good=20 early reference book of english and foreign makers---I have included him in= this=20 note to the Mt Man chat so that he can respond to you direct

"Hawk"

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Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:00:07 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding & Trail tough John, You got that right! Something we all forgot to mention, getting trail tough or acclimation as you said. When I was 18 and right out of highschool, myself and another trapping buddy took a 3 month canoe trip in the Missouri woods hunting and trapping the whole time. This was long before I was into primitive trekking, we thought living in an 8x8 wedge tent with a small woodstove was primitive enough! Anyway, we got trail tough and seldom wore our heavy coats, if ever. We also got used to only a single candle flame for light. A jar candle we poured as needed. Neither John or I will ever forget the first time, after several month's on the river, when we stood under a single ceiling lightbulb not believing how bright it was! Squinting like miners emerging from a mine. Even standing inside a building for the first time after several month's was an interesting feeling. A hunter senses become more accute after a week or so on the trail too. During that Canoe trip I once found a scrap of newspaper blowing along some railroad tracks I was hunting and instantly sat down and read every scrap of it, both sides, I was so starved for reading material!!! I then probably used it for something. You reminded me of all this. I used to tell people,"You cannot even begin to understand what it is like to be a woodsmen until you have spent at least two month's on the trail". beaverboy > Ole, > One thing I didn't mention that is at least as important as bedding and > something even Crazy Cyot might agree with me on is acclimation. > > When I was living on the trail I would refuse to accept even one nights > lodging under a roof for fear of taking the edge off my acclimation. When > you live on the trail every day over a long period you develop an ability > to be comfortable over wide extremes of weather. When you only get a > chance to live outdoors a few days at a time it takes more bedding to stay > comfortable. Once you've had tick fever it also takes more to stay warm. > > John... > > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:46:33 +0000 From: "don secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on a gunmaker Are you referring to SCHILLINGER? He was the only lock maker I know of that produced locks that you describe. They were jewels that you could put on a rifle or let your wife wear them around her neck. We called him Dutch. A good friend and craftsman. He made sights for hawken rifles with the same amount of care. Don Secondine >From: hawknest4@juno.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >CC: robinh@combro.co.uk >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Looking for information on a gunmaker >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:53:48 -0500 > >jim >there as a "Schaller" that lived and worked in wichita kansas from about >1940 to about 1972 when he died ---he was not a gunmaker but a lockmaker >and all his locks were hand made and machined he used no castings in his >locks---I have 3 guns with his locks and they are marked on the inside of >the plate---his locks were not cheep and cost about $100 back in the >early 70's---the flint ones were exceptional and i have one that he made >that is similar to a ders egg with a roller frizzen I also have a >percussion one on a hawken pistol that is the same as the one in john >beards book---he was a cadalac lockmaker of his time--- > >there was also a gunmaker with the same name from penn. that is dated >about 1820 --1850---dont have the exact page but he is in dillen and also >in thoughts of the kentuckey in the golden age---just a couple of one >liners > >robin might have more info as he has a good early reference book of >english and foreign makers---I have included him in this note to the Mt >Man chat so that he can respond to you direct > >"Hawk" _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:47:07 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: MtMan-List: trail hardened It doesn't take a lifetime in the wilderness to get to where one is comfortable in a wide variety of conditions. When I worked in the Pacific NW woods, spending 12 hour days outside six days a week, I actually got to where I didn't care if it was raining or not. This in a location along the Oregon Coast where we received 120 inches of rain annually. Then I moved to eastern Idaho, about where Lewis and Clark punched through the Divide with Sacajawea--by the current town of Salmon. It gets a lot colder there than on the Oregon Coast. We used wood heat a lot. When fall was upon us and the temps first hit 23 degrees F., we bundled up like Nanook of the North and scurried around being firewood into the house. After a winter with several days hitting lows of 30-below zero F., and lots of "highs" below zero or ten above(during milder days), the temperature "climbed" to that 23 Degrees F. again in the spring. In contrast to our autumn behavior, we were outside in our shirtsleeves bringing in firewood. I'd even hazard to say we felt even warmer in the spring at that temp than in the fall! Sparks - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:45:08 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: A Buck at last! Dear List, I got my buck last night! After 22 mornings or evenings at my stand and roughly 35 hours in it (including one -18 below morning!) I had a good shot on a small 4x4 whitetail buck chasing a doe. He stopped roughly 25 yards away from me at broadside. The ball past clean through him and took out the lungs. He died after a short run. This makes the fifth buck in five years with my fusee, all were taken with one shot through the chest. Had many does and spikes walk very near me but wanted a little bigger buck. Saw two good size bucks too but they never gave me a shot. Could have held out for a bigger one but times running out and I haven't had a good nights rest in 3 weeks! Saw lots of wildlife while on my stand all those hours. Had thousands of geese, both Snow and Canadians, fly over me everyday some only 20 feet above. Saw Trumpeter Swans, Red Fox, lots of song birds, pheasant and some ones Black Lab came by twice. Though not my biggest buck he is another true trophy to me. When you can kill any deer with one shot from a flintlock consider it a trophy. It's all about the quality of the hunt. That buck never knew what hit him and he died quickly. 1 shot-1 kill, thats what it's all about. At least to me. I can finally sleep in til 6:00 AM! Good luck to all of you down the trail, bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1272 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.