From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1308 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, February 7 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1308 In this issue: -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Lee's Question -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Lee's Question -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: List: Lee's Question -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: List: Lee's Question -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Lee's Question -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Fur Trade Quarterly -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: tinder -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: tinder -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: tinder -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: tinder -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: tinder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:11:07 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Lee's Question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3ECED.5B11BFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lee You wrote a question a short time back about beaver being wiped out by = trappers. I have chewed on your comments some and would like to = respond. First, the number of trappers were always very small compared = to the square miles invovled. They would have had a very difficult time = doing that much damage to as hardy a creature as the beaver. Second, = there are coments like Russels that he was trapping in the general area = of Fort Hall late in the trade. By the late 30's if they had done that = much damage he would have had to trap much farther away than that to = find anything. However, my real point is slightly different you asked for anyone who = had been involved in reintroduction programs. It would be more = interesting to ask for comments from men who had been involved in = depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were = civilization has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with = more ease than the high country, there remains such a population that = the government supports their continued harvesting. I know of a lot of = this happening here in the west. The beaver are not extinct, I have a = skin here that was taken this year off a critter that was plugging a = framers culvert very near the site of the Freeman desertion of Ogden in = 1825. There was a lot pressure from several different groups in this = area over a number of years. These creatures are pretty resourseful. I = believe there was someone on here a couple years ago went by trapper Joe = that was having a very difficult time reducing a population in his area = that he was being paid to get rid of. But my facts may not be complete. See you on the trail Wynn Ormond - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3ECED.5B11BFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lee

You wrote a question a short time = back about=20 beaver being wiped out by trappers. I have chewed on your comments = some=20 and would like to respond. First, the number of trappers were = always very=20 small compared to the square miles invovled. They would have had a = very=20 difficult time doing that much damage to as hardy a creature as the=20 beaver. Second, there are coments like Russels that he was = trapping in the=20 general area of Fort Hall late in the trade. By the late 30's if = they had=20 done that much damage he would have had to trap much farther away than = that to=20 find anything.

However, my real point is slightly = different you=20 asked for anyone who had been involved in reintroduction programs. = It=20 would be more interesting to ask for comments from men who had been = involved in=20 depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were = civilization=20 has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than = the high=20 country, there remains such a population that the government supports = their=20 continued harvesting. I know of a lot of this happening here in = the=20 west. The beaver are not extinct, I have a skin here that was = taken this=20 year off a critter that was plugging a framers culvert very near the = site of the=20 Freeman desertion of Ogden in 1825. There was a lot pressure from = several=20 different groups in this area over a number of years. These = creatures are=20 pretty resourseful. I believe there was someone on here a couple = years ago=20 went by trapper Joe that was having a very difficult time reducing a = population=20 in his area that he was being paid to get rid of. But my facts may = not be=20 complete.

See you on the trail

Wynn Ormond

- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3ECED.5B11BFC0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:41:50 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lee's Question - --------------030609030208020007030600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are times when critters get hunted or otherwise "taken" to the point of extinction, or near extinction...like the passenger pigeon and the dozen or so subspecies of elk that are now extinct in the US due to market hunting, etc. But to actually accomplish large scale extinction (in general) it is necessary to catch the critters at a crucial time (mating season if they are just in one area...whales in Baja, for instance), or if their HABITAT is ruined. If just the population is reduced and the habitat is still good, it wouldn't take too long to bring a species back to "full occupation" or carrying capacity numbers on the site. One reason the elk and pigeons had such a hard time is they were tasty. Beaver trapping crashed in the west due to market pressures, not habitat destruction and population reductions. Sparks Wynn Ormond wrote: > Lee > > You wrote a question a short time back about beaver being wiped out by > trappers. I have chewed on your comments some and would like to > respond. First, the number of trappers were always very small > compared to the square miles invovled. They would have had a very > difficult time doing that much damage to as hardy a creature as the > beaver. Second, there are coments like Russels that he was trapping > in the general area of Fort Hall late in the trade. By the late 30's > if they had done that much damage he would have had to trap much > farther away than that to find anything. > > However, my real point is slightly different you asked for anyone who > had been involved in reintroduction programs. It would be more > interesting to ask for comments from men who had been involved in > depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were > civilization has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with > more ease than the high country, there remains such a population that > the government supports their continued harvesting. I know of a lot > of this happening here in the west. The beaver are not extinct, I > have a skin here that was taken this year off a critter that was > plugging a framers culvert very near the site of the Freeman desertion > of Ogden in 1825. There was a lot pressure from several different > groups in this area over a number of years. These creatures are > pretty resourseful. I believe there was someone on here a couple > years ago went by trapper Joe that was having a very difficult time > reducing a population in his area that he was being paid to get rid > of. But my facts may not be complete. > > See you on the trail > Wynn Ormond > - --------------030609030208020007030600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are times when critters get hunted or otherwise "taken" to the point of extinction, or near extinction...like the passenger pigeon and the dozen or so subspecies of elk that are now extinct in the US due to market hunting, etc.

But to actually accomplish large scale extinction (in general) it is necessary to catch the critters at a crucial time (mating season if they are just in one area...whales in Baja, for instance), or if their HABITAT is ruined. If just the population is reduced and the habitat is still good, it wouldn't take too long to bring a species back to "full occupation" or carrying capacity numbers on the site. One reason the elk and pigeons had such a hard time is they were tasty.

Beaver trapping crashed in the west due to market pressures, not habitat destruction and population reductions.

Sparks

Wynn Ormond wrote:

Lee

You wrote a question a short time back about beaver being wiped out by trappers. I have chewed on your comments some and would like to respond. First, the number of trappers were always very small compared to the square miles invovled. They would have had a very difficult time doing that much damage to as hardy a creature as the beaver. Second, there are coments like Russels that he was trapping in the general area of Fort Hall late in the trade. By the late 30's if they had done that much damage he would have had to trap much farther away than that to find anything.

However, my real point is slightly different you asked for anyone who had been involved in reintroduction programs. It would be more interesting to ask for comments from men who had been involved in depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were civilization has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than the high country, there remains such a population that the government supports their continued harvesting. I know of a lot of this happening here in the west. The beaver are not extinct, I have a skin here that was taken this year off a critter that was plugging a framers culvert very near the site of the Freeman desertion of Ogden in 1825. There was a lot pressure from several different groups in this area over a number of years. These creatures are pretty resourseful. I believe there was someone on here a couple years ago went by trapper Joe that was having a very difficult time reducing a population in his area that he was being paid to get rid of. But my facts may not be complete.

See you on the trail

Wynn Ormond

- --------------030609030208020007030600-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:41:41 -0700 From: Todd D Glover Subject: MtMan-List: List: Lee's Question Lee, I found the article I was looking for. It is from the Fort Union Fur Trade Symposium Proceedings September 13-15, 1990. It's entitled "A Businessman Looks at the Fur Trade" by Marvin L Kaiser. In the article he cites another paper by James L. Clayton entitled " The Growth and Economic Significance of the American Fur Trade, 1790-1890." Many of Kaisers facts come from Claytons earlier research. One particular fact I find interesting from Claytons paper is that during the "mountain man era" 3,000 packs of beaver were sent down the Missouri River annually, while during 1879-1888, 19,000 packs annually found their way to St. Louis." Another good article is "Business Strategy and Practice in the Early Republic: John Jacob Astor and the American Fur Trade" by John D. Haeger. You might find these articles on line or through a library. I'd be happy send you a copy if you'd like. It'll take some more digging for me to turn up the article on Astor..... darn........let's see,....... it's here somewhere.........no........maybe in this stack............. Todd Glover - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: mike stilts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM Dear List, I am a Buckskinner with complete hand stiched outfit, 4 point Hudson Bay Capote, Hawk, Knife, and Possibles. Have killed much with Black Powder. I live in a make shift hoogan in San Francisco Peaks of northern Arizona. Used to belong to Black Powder Clubs, but seemed alot like play-acting. My question is: How does one formally join the AMM????? Michael Bear __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:59:32 -0500 From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM Michael Contact me offlist. Dennis Miles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike stilts" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 2:55 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM > Dear List, > I am a Buckskinner with complete hand stiched > outfit, 4 point Hudson Bay Capote, Hawk, Knife, and > Possibles. Have killed much with Black Powder. I live > in a make shift hoogan in San Francisco Peaks of > northern Arizona. Used to belong to Black Powder > Clubs, but seemed alot like play-acting. My question > is: How does one formally join the AMM????? > Michael Bear > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:00:36 -0500 From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM Oops deforge1@bright.net D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM > Michael > > Contact me offlist. > > Dennis Miles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike stilts" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM > > > > Dear List, > > I am a Buckskinner with complete hand stiched > > outfit, 4 point Hudson Bay Capote, Hawk, Knife, and > > Possibles. Have killed much with Black Powder. I live > > in a make shift hoogan in San Francisco Peaks of > > northern Arizona. Used to belong to Black Powder > > Clubs, but seemed alot like play-acting. My question > > is: How does one formally join the AMM????? > > Michael Bear > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:25:48 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM Mike The best way is to find someone hopefully in your area that is a member and you convince him that you are the kind of guy he ought to invite to join. Get on the ground with them, it can work better to show them than to tell. You also have to find out whether this group is the kind you want to be a member of and if you can live with the requirements and rules that govern the organization. The AMM is not a perfect organization and is not right for everyone. But if your stick floats that way, it can be a great way to learn, participate and meet others who are just as wierd as you are. Wynn Ormond - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike stilts" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM > Dear List, > I am a Buckskinner with complete hand stiched > outfit, 4 point Hudson Bay Capote, Hawk, Knife, and > Possibles. Have killed much with Black Powder. I live > in a make shift hoogan in San Francisco Peaks of > northern Arizona. Used to belong to Black Powder > Clubs, but seemed alot like play-acting. My question > is: How does one formally join the AMM????? > Michael Bear > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:15:01 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Request for information-AMM - --part1_6d.2235d0c7.2d56af55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/7/04 12:18:02 PM, cheyenne@pcu.net writes: > The AMM is not a perfect organization and is not right for everyone.=A0 Bu= t=20 > if > your stick floats that way, it can be a great way to learn, participate an= d > meet others who are just as wierd as you are. >=20 >=20 Wynn forgot to mention he is AMM.... and a finer brother you'd be hard=20 pressed to find! Magpie - --part1_6d.2235d0c7.2d56af55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/7/04 12:18:02 PM, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:

The AMM is not a perf= ect organization and is not right for everyone.=A0 But if
your stick floats that way, it can be a great way to learn, participate and<= BR> meet others who are just as wierd as you are.

Wynn forgot to mention he is AMM.... and a finer brother you'd be hard press= ed to find!

Magpie - --part1_6d.2235d0c7.2d56af55_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:29:36 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Teter Subject: Re: MtMan-List: List: Lee's Question - --0-1468918212-1076196576=:60340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Todd D Glover wrote: One particular fact I find interesting from Claytons paper is that during the "mountain man era" 3,000 packs of beaver were sent down the Missouri River annually, while during 1879-1888, 19,000 packs annually found their way to St. Louis." That is good stuff!. That would mean there were a lot of trappers haunting the beaver streams as late as 1888. Were the Indians trapping that many beaver?The buffalo were about to go under. Hmmm. Well, it does mean for certain that beaver were not nearly tapped out, at least in the Montana region. I'll see if I can get my hands on a copy of that report. If not I'll give a holler and get you to send a copy. I think I can find one though. Thanks. Lee Teter - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online - --0-1468918212-1076196576=:60340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Todd D Glover <tetontodd@juno.com> wrote:

One particular fact I find interesting from Claytons paper is
that during the "mountain man era" 3,000 packs of beaver were sent down
the Missouri River annually, while during 1879-1888, 19,000 packs
annually found their way to St. Louis."

That is good stuff!. That would mean there were a lot of trappers haunting the beaver streams as late as 1888. Were the Indians trapping that many beaver?The buffalo were about to go under. Hmmm.

Well, it does mean for certain that beaver were not nearly tapped out, at least in the Montana region.

I'll see if I can get my hands on a copy of that report. If not I'll give a holler and get you to send a copy. I think I can find one though. Thanks.

Lee Teter

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Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online - --0-1468918212-1076196576=:60340-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Teter Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lee's Question - --0-2018164901-1076197506=:10858 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wynn Ormond wrote: It would be more interesting to ask for comments from men who had been involved in depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were civilization has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than the high country, there remains such a population that the government supports their continued harvesting. Wyn, you are right. I sure never thought of that. There are probably official records somewhere that are related to depredation trapping of beaver. If I can get records from before 1900 that will prevent skeptics from saying "there are plenty of beaver NOW, it took that long for them to re-populate the areas". I don't think beaver reintroduction was that common in the West. I'll be contacting Wyoming Game and Fish to see what records they have regarding depredation complaints. I suppose I may as well contact the U.S. Forest Service about their records on reintroduction of beaver. Thanks Lee Teter - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online - --0-2018164901-1076197506=:10858 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net> wrote:

It would be more interesting to ask for comments from men who had been involved in depredation trapping of beaver. In other words, in area were civilization has proven that mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than the high country, there remains such a population that the government supports their continued harvesting.

Wyn, you are right.

I sure never thought of that. There are probably official records somewhere that are related to depredation trapping of beaver. If I can get records from before 1900 that will prevent skeptics from saying "there are plenty of beaver NOW, it took that long for them to re-populate the areas".

I don't think beaver reintroduction was that common in the West. I'll be contacting Wyoming Game and Fish to see what records they have regarding depredation complaints. I suppose I may as well contact the U.S. Forest Service about their records on reintroduction of beaver.

Thanks

Lee Teter

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Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online - --0-2018164901-1076197506=:10858-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:23:21 EST From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Quarterly - -------------------------------1076207001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the Camp Is any one aware of the details referred to in an ad on the back cover of the latest Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly. It offers reproductions of lead bars found along with the remains of a trapper found in 1932 on a creek in the Wasatch Mountains of Utah? Found with the remains were a plains rifle, some clothing, a bullet mold and ladle, four lead bars and a Bible. Mark Roadkill Loader #1849 - -------------------------------1076207001 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello the Camp

Is any one aware of the details referred to in an ad on the back c= over of the latest Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly. It offers re= productions of lead bars found along with the remains of a trapper found in=20= 1932 on a creek in the Wasatch Mountains of Utah? Found with the remains wer= e a plains rifle, some clothing, a bullet mold and ladle, four lead bar= s and a Bible.

Mark Roadkill Loader #1849

- -------------------------------1076207001-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:40:16 -0700 From: "Larry" Subject: MtMan-List: tinder I am doing an article on tinder, and got to wondering what types of material you are using for tinder in your parts of the country. With flint and steel, I catch the spark on char cloth. The char is placed into my tinder which produces flame, that I use to start the fire with kindling. Here in Montana, I have used dried grasses, wasp nest, bird nest, meadow mouse nest, shredded hemp, and shredded cottonwood inner bark. So what do you prefer? thanks. larry - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:21:59 EST From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder - -------------------------------1076210519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry I start my fires with ether hand drill, bow drill and flint and steel. I use cedar bark as a preferred tinder in Colorado. Mark Roadkill Loader - -------------------------------1076210519 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Larry I start my fires with ether hand drill, bow drill and flint and s= teel. I use cedar bark as a preferred tinder in Colorado.

Mark Roadkill Loader

- -------------------------------1076210519-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:30:21 -0500 From: MunevarL@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder In a message dated 2/7/2004 9:40:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, L.Renney@bresnan.net writes: > > > I am doing an article on tinder, and got to wondering what types of material > you are using for tinder in your parts of the country. With flint and > steel, I catch the spark on char cloth. The char is placed into my tinder > which produces flame, that I use to start the fire with kindling. Here in > Montana, I have used dried grasses, wasp nest, bird nest, meadow mouse nest, > shredded hemp, and shredded cottonwood inner bark. So what do you prefer? > thanks. > larry > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Larry, I live in Southern California and have experimented with a number of different types of tinder. My favorite listed in order of effectiveness (how fast and easy it is to make fire from char cloth) are: the fibers from the dry leaves of the yucca plant, fibers from the bark of the incense cedar tree and dry grasses. I have used mugwort too. It works but I find that you really need to coax the flame out of this tinder. Look forward to hearing others experiences. Lou - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:43:32 -0700 From: "Stuart Family" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: tinder I had a friend of mine, experienced and well trained, teach a group of Boy Scouts about flint and steel fires and he swears by cedar bark. He is so convinced that he carries his own everywhere he goes. And when he taught the boys he shared from his 55 gallon trash bag full of bark. I would have to agree. I have also been told that birch bark works extremely well too. ED Great Falls MT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Larry > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:40 PM > To: hist_text@xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: tinder > > > I am doing an article on tinder, and got to wondering what types > of material > you are using for tinder in your parts of the country. With flint and > steel, I catch the spark on char cloth. The char is placed into my tinder > which produces flame, that I use to start the fire with kindling. Here in > Montana, I have used dried grasses, wasp nest, bird nest, meadow > mouse nest, > shredded hemp, and shredded cottonwood inner bark. So what do you prefer? > thanks. > larry > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:04:19 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder - --------------040301060300000900010302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in Utah, Like you, my favorite local tinder is inner cottonwood bark. Shredded inner juniper barks works ok too, and I use that if I can't get cottonwood. It just so happens that I have some left over cedar shavings that were originally meant to stuff dog beds. Mixing that in with the bark when forming the "bird next" works great at capturing the heat of the tinder and kicking up the temp. When those chips are gone I will likely see about chipping juniper wood. Sparks Stuart Family wrote: >I had a friend of mine, experienced and well trained, teach a group of Boy >Scouts about flint and steel fires and he swears by cedar bark. He is so >convinced that he carries his own everywhere he goes. And when he taught >the boys he shared from his 55 gallon trash bag full of bark. I would have >to agree. I have also been told that birch bark works extremely well too. > >ED >Great Falls MT > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Larry >>Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:40 PM >>To: hist_text@xmission.com >>Subject: MtMan-List: tinder >> >> >>I am doing an article on tinder, and got to wondering what types >>of material >>you are using for tinder in your parts of the country. With flint and >>steel, I catch the spark on char cloth. The char is placed into my tinder >>which produces flame, that I use to start the fire with kindling. Here in >>Montana, I have used dried grasses, wasp nest, bird nest, meadow >>mouse nest, >>shredded hemp, and shredded cottonwood inner bark. So what do you prefer? >>thanks. >>larry >> >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > - --------------040301060300000900010302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in Utah,
Like you, my favorite local tinder is inner cottonwood bark. Shredded inner juniper barks works ok too, and I use that if I can't get cottonwood. It just so happens that I have some left over cedar shavings that were originally meant to stuff dog beds. Mixing that in with the bark when forming the "bird next" works great at capturing the heat of the tinder and kicking up the temp. When those chips are gone I will likely see about chipping juniper wood.
Sparks

Stuart Family wrote:

I had a friend of mine, experienced and well trained, teach a group of Boy
Scouts about flint and steel fires and he swears by cedar bark.  He is so
convinced that he carries his own everywhere he goes.  And when he taught
the boys he shared from his 55 gallon trash bag full of bark.  I would have
to agree.  I have also been told that birch bark works extremely well too.

ED
Great Falls MT

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[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:40 PM
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Subject: MtMan-List: tinder

I am doing an article on tinder, and got to wondering what types
of material
you are using for tinder in your parts of the country.  With flint and
steel, I catch the spark on char cloth.  The char is placed into my tinder
which produces flame, that I use to start the fire with kindling.  Here in
Montana, I have used dried grasses, wasp nest, bird nest, meadow
mouse nest,
shredded hemp, and shredded cottonwood inner bark. So what do you prefer?
thanks.
larry

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