From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1310 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, February 8 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1310 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Quarterly -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: lead bars -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: fire starting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: lead bars -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: fire starting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: lead bars -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Lee's Question -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: fire starting -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: fire starting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: fire starting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: lead bars -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: fire starting -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: fire starting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:00:02 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Quarterly - --part1_15d.2d48aa25.2d582782_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 02/07/2004 7:24:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, MarkLoader@aol.com writes: > offers reproductions of lead bars found along with the remains of a trapper > found in 1932 For the lead bars . . . Jim Hansen illustrated that original in one of his first two "Mountain Man Sketch Books:L Dick James - --part1_15d.2d48aa25.2d582782_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 02/07/2= 004 7:24:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, MarkLoader@aol.com writes:

offers reproductions of lead ba= rs found along with the remains of a trapper found in 1932

For the lead bars . . . Jim Hansen illustrated that original in one of his f= irst two "Mountain Man Sketch Books:L
Dick James - --part1_15d.2d48aa25.2d582782_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:14:18 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: lead bars This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C3EE77.BFA2EAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At an antique shop in Ozark, Missouri, I found a mold for lead bars = just like you describe. I wanted to buy it but high price tag (about = $150.00) stopped me. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C3EE77.BFA2EAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At an antique shop in Ozark, Missouri, I found a = mold=20 for lead bars just like you describe. I wanted to buy it but high price = tag=20 (about $150.00) stopped me.

Frank

- ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C3EE77.BFA2EAF0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:24:22 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: fire starting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C3EE79.280C8AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If there are any others on this list that have been watching the new = TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them struggling unsuccessfully = trying to start a fire. The group is on a tropical island and their only equipment is one = machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have tried starting = by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real hot coals. I = don't recall that any tried a bow with a string. I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire tube with = compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any flint = available on the islands. Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C3EE79.280C8AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If there are any others on this list that have = been=20 watching the new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them = struggling=20 unsuccessfully trying to start a fire.

The group is on a tropical island and their only = equipment is one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have = tried=20 starting by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real hot = coals. I=20 don't recall that any tried a bow with a string.

I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, = so a fire=20 tube with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any = flint=20 available on the islands.

Interesting hearing what others would do under = those=20 conditions.

Frank

- ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C3EE79.280C8AF0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:36:29 EST From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: lead bars - --part1_cf.4bb1911.2d583e1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the Camp I was hoping someone in Utah would have more information on the find. Was there more items? Is it in a museum? Any one live near the Wasatch Mountains of Utah? Thanks Roadkill - --part1_cf.4bb1911.2d583e1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the Camp
I was hoping someone in Utah would have more information on the find. Wa= s there more items? Is it in a museum? Any one live near the Wasatch Mountai= ns of Utah?
Thanks Roadkill
- --part1_cf.4bb1911.2d583e1d_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:44:10 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fire starting They were awarded "flints" last week which were actually magnesium fire starters. Which are a world apart from a flint. Rudy was drinking the crudey well water and said it didn't bother him. He said he drank a lot worse when he was in Vietnam! He said they drank water from a lake that had dead bodies floating around in it all the time. That freaked out some of the others. You got to love Rudy. That chubby queer Hatch is still walking around naked. Someone should snapped him with a towel in his privates everytime he strips. I watch the show mostly for a laugh and to see the girls in bikini's. BB > If there are any others on this list that have been watching the new > TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them struggling > unsuccessfully trying to start a fire. > The group is on a tropical island and their only equipment is one > machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have tried starting > by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real hot coals. I > don't recall that any tried a bow with a string. > I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire tube with > compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any flint > available on the islands. > Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions. > Frank - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:07:35 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: lead bars On a related subject. They have a skeleton of a white man in Choteau Montana, named Old Sol. He is on display, upright in glass case, in the Museum there and it is assumed he was run through a gauntlet as all his wounds are in his back. You can still see several steel trade points stuck in his bones and he has ball wounds too and I believe a fractured skull. He is short and said to be French (I don't know how you can tell that by bones?) He was found in McCone County Montana which is 60 miles or so up the Missouri River from Fort Union. If your ever in Choteau Montana stop and see it. bb > Hello the Camp > I was hoping someone in Utah would have more information on the find. Was > there more items? Is it in a museum? Any one live near the Wasatch > Mountains of > Utah? > Thanks Roadkill > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:01:50 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lee's Question - --------------090700000208070709020208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As beaverboy says...rocky mountain trapping used to go on all year. Unlike todays "any month with an R in it" is a trapping month (with good pelts), the off season was trapped, too. That's because they weren't as interested in pelts nearly as much as the fur from the pelts so it could be felted up for hats. As for trapping in the 'summer,' Ol' Gabe himself said there are only three seasons in the rocky mountains...July, August and winter. Sparks beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: > Being Beaverboy I guess I should say something about beaver. I've trapped >trouble beaver for over 20 years and it is very easy to kill all the >beaver in an area. They are not the smartest animal. What deters most >people from trapping them is the amount of work involved in carrying and >skinning them. > Generally I have found it takes at least two years for other beaver to >move into a trapped out area. That is if there are any other beaver in >neighboring water. As I tend to skip sections of river that I trap I >never trap them all. > One colony of beaver if not preyed upon can reproduce to 608 beaver in >a ten year period. Four kits a year is not a bad ratio for rebounding. >I have caught 10 beaver out of one den several times but most are two >adults and four kits. Thank goodness beaver are hardy and like to >reproduce. > What almost wiped out the beaver was hunting and trapping them during >the open water months and when they were pregnant or nursing. Some >people on this list actually believed the MM didn't trap in the summer >when actually they were done with the bulk of their trapping before >,for instance, the present day Montana trapping season evens opens >(November 1st) > In the early 1980's when fur was still worth something I had a hard >time getting permission to trap beaver near town. Beaver weren't nearly >as thick due to a lot of pressure and landowners enjoyed seeing them. >Now with prices barely covering expenses the population is booming and >everyone wants me to trap them. > I wrote on the list once of journal accounts of trappers "working a >stream until clean" and of Osborne Russell commencing his fall hunt in >I think it was July! One of his journal entries talked of him taking a >long bath after checking his traps! I think it was July or August. > bb > > > > > > >>Wynn Ormond wrote: It would be more interesting to ask >>for comments from men who had been involved in depredation trapping of >>beaver. In other words, in area were civilization has proven that >>mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than the high country, >>there remains such a population that the government supports their >>continued harvesting. >> >> >>Wyn, you are right. >>I sure never thought of that. There are probably official records >>somewhere that are related to depredation trapping of beaver. If I can get >>records from before 1900 that will prevent skeptics from saying "there are >>plenty of beaver NOW, it took that long for them to re-populate the >>areas". >> >>I don't think beaver reintroduction was that common in the West. I'll be >>contacting Wyoming Game and Fish to see what records they have regarding >>depredation complaints. I suppose I may as well contact the U.S. Forest >>Service about their records on reintroduction of beaver. >> >>Thanks >> >>Lee Teter >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online >> >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > - --------------090700000208070709020208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As beaverboy says...rocky mountain trapping used to go on all year. Unlike todays "any month with an R in it" is a trapping month (with good pelts), the off season was trapped, too. That's because they weren't as interested in pelts nearly as much as the fur from the pelts so it could be felted up for hats.

As for trapping in the 'summer,' Ol' Gabe himself said there are only three seasons in the rocky mountains...July, August and winter.

Sparks

beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:

 Being Beaverboy I guess I should say something about beaver. I've trapped
trouble beaver for over 20 years and it is very easy to kill all the
beaver in an area. They are not the smartest animal. What deters most
people from trapping them is the amount of work involved in carrying and
skinning them.
   Generally I have found it takes at least two years for other beaver to
move into a trapped out area. That is if there are any other beaver in
neighboring water. As I tend to skip sections of river that I trap I
never trap them all.
   One colony of beaver if not preyed upon can reproduce to 608 beaver in
a ten year period. Four kits a year is not a bad ratio for rebounding.
I have caught 10 beaver out of one den several times but most are two
adults and four kits. Thank goodness beaver are hardy and like to
reproduce.
   What almost wiped out the beaver was hunting and trapping them during
the open water months and when they were pregnant or nursing. Some
people on this list actually believed the MM didn't trap in the summer
when actually they were done with the bulk of their trapping before
,for instance, the present day Montana trapping season evens opens
(November 1st)
   In the early 1980's when fur was still worth something I had a hard
time getting permission to trap beaver near town. Beaver weren't nearly
as thick due to a lot of pressure and landowners enjoyed seeing them.
Now with prices barely covering expenses the population is booming and
everyone wants me to trap them.
   I wrote on the list once of journal accounts of trappers "working a
stream until clean" and of Osborne Russell commencing his fall hunt in
I think it was July! One of his journal entries talked of him taking a
long bath after checking his traps! I think it was July or August.
        bb

Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net> wrote: It would be more interesting to ask
for comments from men who had been involved in depredation trapping of
beaver.  In other words, in area were civilization has proven that
mountain men would be able to trap with more ease than the high country,
there remains such a population that the government supports their
continued harvesting.


Wyn, you are right.
I sure never thought of that. There are probably official records
somewhere that are related to depredation trapping of beaver. If I can get
records from before 1900 that will prevent skeptics from saying "there are
plenty of beaver NOW, it took that long for them to re-populate the
areas".

I don't think beaver reintroduction was that common in the West. I'll be
contacting Wyoming Game and Fish to see what records they have regarding
depredation complaints. I suppose I may as well contact the U.S. Forest
Service about their records on reintroduction of beaver.

Thanks

Lee Teter






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- --------------090700000208070709020208-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:15:59 EST From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fire starting - --part1_8b.2e408ba.2d58556f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the Camp Rudy tried the bow drill but his string broke. That was the only attempt they showed. They have Bamboo which is all you need to start a fire with the fire saw. First split a 16 inch long and two inches in diameter piece of bamboo in half. Take one half make a slight notch across the outside of the round of one piece. Scrap some shavings of the bamboo and place on the notch on the inside of the bamboo. Take a splinter of bamboo that fits in the tube of the bamboo and break the splinter so it hinges. Place this over the shavings over the notch this will hold the savings in place. Hold the bamboo on the ends round side down. With the notch lined with the edge of the other half and then slide it back and forth. As the edge cuts deeper into the notch and starts to heat up increase the speed until you have a full smoke coming from the shavings. This is the time when most fail in friction fires by getting in a rush. Give it a few extra strokes and give the ember a chance to grow and lump together before moving it to the tinder. The Fire piston is an other method used on the islands. Good luck Roadkill - --part1_8b.2e408ba.2d58556f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the Camp
Rudy tried the bow drill but his string broke. That was the only attempt= they showed.
They have Bamboo which is all you need to start a fire with the fire saw= .
First split a 16 inch long and two inches in diameter piece of bamboo in= half.=20
Take one half make a slight notch across the outside of the round of one= piece.=20
Scrap some shavings of the bamboo and place on the notch on the inside o= f the bamboo.=20
Take a splinter of bamboo that fits in the tube of the bamboo and break=20= the splinter so it hinges. Place this over the shavings over the notch this=20= will hold the savings in place. Hold the bamboo on the ends round side down.= With the notch lined with the edge of the other half and then slide it back= and forth. As the edge cuts deeper into the notch and starts to heat up inc= rease the speed until you have a full smoke coming from the shavings.=20
This is the time when most fail in friction fires by getting in a rush.
Give it a few extra strokes and give the ember a chance to grow and lump= together before moving it to the tinder.
The Fire piston is an other method used on the islands.
Good luck Roadkill - --part1_8b.2e408ba.2d58556f_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:41:37 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: fire starting - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Frank, With a shoe string, or constructing natural cordage, I'd have made a bow drill. If cane, etc... was available a blow tube would be a plus. Was anyone wearing glasses? a lens is a good source of fire. Yfab, Randy - ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Fusco If there are any others on this list that have been watching the new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them struggling unsuccessfully trying to start a fire. The group is on a tropical island and their only equipment is one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have tried starting by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real hot coals. I don't recall that any tried a bow with a string. I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire tube with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any flint available on the islands. Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions. Frank - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Frank, With a shoe string, or constructing natural cordage, I'd have made a bow drill. If cane, etc... was available a blow tube would be a plus. Was anyone wearing glasses? a lens is a good source of fire. Yfab, Randy

----- Original Message -----

From: Frank Fusco

    If there are any others on this list that have been watching the new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them struggling unsuccessfully trying to start a fire.

    The group is on a tropical island and their only equipment is one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have tried starting by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real hot coals. I don't recall that any tried a bow with a string.

    I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire tube with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any flint available on the islands.

    Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions.

Frank

- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:49:27 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fire starting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01C3EE8D.6C8068A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A good friend of mine (a hairy-legged Texas mountain man) made the final = cut of 16 for Survivor and in the interview process he was asked what = one thing he would like to take with him if he were selected for the = show. He said he would take his flint and steel and when the staff = asked him whatinthehell he meant he whipped out his fire kit and quickly = make a fire. He didn't make the next cut, apparently because he was TOO = prepared...and skilled. =20 Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randal Bublitz=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: fire starting Frank, With a shoe string, or constructing natural cordage, I'd have = made a bow drill. If cane, etc... was available a blow tube would be a = plus. Was anyone wearing glasses? a lens is a good source of fire. = Yfab, Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Frank Fusco=20 If there are any others on this list that have been watching the = new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them struggling = unsuccessfully trying to start a fire. The group is on a tropical island and their only equipment is = one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have tried = starting by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real hot = coals. I don't recall that any tried a bow with a string. I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire tube = with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any flint = available on the islands. Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01C3EE8D.6C8068A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A good friend of mine=20 (a hairy-legged Texas mountain man) made the final cut of = 16 for=20 Survivor and in the interview process he was asked what one = thing he=20 would like to take with him if he were selected for the show. He = said he=20 would take his flint and steel and when the staff asked him = whatinthehell he=20 meant he whipped out his fire kit and quickly make a fire. =20 He didn't make the next cut, apparently because he was TOO=20 prepared...and skilled.

Lanney

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Randal=20 Bublitz
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 = 9:41=20 PM

Subject: RE: MtMan-List: fire=20 starting

Frank, With a shoe string, or constructing natural cordage, = I'd=20 have made a bow drill. If cane, etc... was available a blow tube = would=20 be a plus. Was anyone wearing glasses?   a lens is a = good=20 source of fire.    Yfab, Randy

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Frank Fusco

    If there are any others on this list that = have been=20 watching the new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them = struggling=20 unsuccessfully trying to start a fire.

    The group is on a tropical island and their = only=20 equipment is one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them = have=20 tried starting by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no = real hot=20 coals. I don't recall that any tried a bow with a string.

    I'm not sure what I would do. There is = bamboo, so a=20 fire tube with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there = was any=20 flint available on the islands.

    Interesting hearing what others would do = under those=20 conditions.

Frank

- ------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01C3EE8D.6C8068A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:59:17 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: lead bars - --------------080706060003080509060008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live along the base of the Wasatch. But I am not a lifelong resident, and though I am not surprised at the find, this 1932 discovery is the first I have hard of it. There are essentially two "statewide" newspapers in Utah, both in Salt Lake City. The larger of the two is owned by the LDS church, which contributes to the stability of the paper with enough funds to hire a good news crew. The other paper is the Salt Lake Tribune. I'd bet that both of them were in business in 1932. As much as the LDS are into genealogy and history, it has been my experience that the Deseret News (now Deseret Morning News) has the most accessible archives. I haven't had time to dig for this item myself. Actually, the place to start would be with the quarterly and then go to the papers. I would not be surprised if the papers did not pick it up and run banner headlines on it at the time. If you happen to find the story, I'd be interested in seeing it. Links for the two papers are: Deseret Morning News, recent change from Deseret News: http://deseretnews.com/dn Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Feb/t02082004.asp Me? I went to high school in Germany, Virginia (near Petersburg) and in Washington State. Grew up in Washington, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, and Germany. Once grown I lived in Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming and Utah. My retirement property is in Idaho. Sparks MarkLoader@aol.com wrote: > Hello the Camp > I was hoping someone in Utah would have more information on the find. > Was there more items? Is it in a museum? Any one live near the Wasatch > Mountains of Utah? > Thanks Roadkill - --------------080706060003080509060008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live along the base of the Wasatch. But I am not a lifelong resident, and though I am not surprised at the find, this 1932 discovery is the first I have hard of it. There are essentially two "statewide" newspapers in Utah, both in Salt Lake City. The larger of the two is owned by the LDS church, which contributes to the stability of the paper with enough funds to hire a good news crew. The other paper is the Salt Lake Tribune. I'd bet that both of them were in business in 1932. As much as the LDS are into genealogy and history, it has been my experience that the Deseret News (now Deseret Morning News) has the most accessible archives. I haven't had time to dig for this item myself. Actually, the place to start would be with the quarterly and then go to the papers. I would not be surprised if the papers did not pick it up and run banner headlines on it at the time. If you happen to find the story, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Links for the two papers are:
Deseret Morning News, recent change from Deseret News:
http://deseretnews.com/dn

Salt Lake Tribune:
http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Feb/t02082004.asp

Me? I went to high school in Germany, Virginia (near Petersburg) and in Washington State. Grew up in Washington, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, and Germany. Once grown I lived in Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming and Utah. My retirement property is in Idaho.

Sparks

MarkLoader@aol.com wrote:

Hello the Camp
I was hoping someone in Utah would have more information on the find. Was there more items? Is it in a museum? Any one live near the Wasatch Mountains of Utah?
Thanks Roadkill

- --------------080706060003080509060008-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:16:28 -0700 From: Wolverine Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fire starting Hello Frank, Sunday, February 8, 2004, 6:24:22 PM, you wrote: FF> 牋� If there are any others on this list that have been FF> watching the new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them FF> struggling unsuccessfully trying to start a fire. FF> 牋� The group is on a tropical island and their only FF> equipment is one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of FF> them have tried starting by friction rubbing. They got a little FF> smoke but no real hot coals. I don't recall that any tried a bow FF> with a string. FF> 牋� I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire FF> tube with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there FF> was any flint available on the islands. FF> 牋� Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions. FF> Frank Them Survivor boys to dumb to start a frie. If anyone noticed, they was given a magnisium fire stick common known as a aviation emergency firestarter. Its clearly visable in the tapes. None had any clue how it worked. One side has a flint like rod, the back is pure magnisium. Instruction on the stick {engraved} say shave chips off and strike with flint. The one ole gal was trying to use a machette to "spark" a fire. What good is a fire piston, if they cant read instructions engraved on every firestick? - -- Best regards, Wolverine mailto:wolverine1@aaahawk.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:09:57 -0700 From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fire starting - --------------040203050803080800020108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless I am doing something wrong, starting fires with eyeglasses only works for those with "cheaters" and far sighted people. Us near-sighted folks can't, unless I did it wrong. When I tried, the lens Spread the light, rather than gathered it. Sparks Randal Bublitz wrote: > Frank, With a shoe string, or constructing natural cordage, I'd have > made a bow drill. If cane, etc... was available a blow tube would be > a plus. Was anyone wearing glasses? a lens is a good source of > fire. Yfab, Randy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frank Fusco > > If there are any others on this list that have been watching > the new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them struggling > unsuccessfully trying to start a fire. > The group is on a tropical island and their only equipment is > one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have tried > starting by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real > hot coals. I don't recall that any tried a bow with a string. > I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire tube > with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any > flint available on the islands. > Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions. > Frank > - --------------040203050803080800020108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless I am doing something wrong, starting fires with eyeglasses only works for those with "cheaters" and far sighted people. Us near-sighted folks can't, unless I did it wrong. When I tried, the lens Spread the light, rather than gathered it.
Sparks

Randal Bublitz wrote:

Frank, With a shoe string, or constructing natural cordage, I'd have made a bow drill. If cane, etc... was available a blow tube would be a plus. Was anyone wearing glasses?   a lens is a good source of fire.    Yfab, Randy

----- Original Message -----

From: Frank Fusco

    If there are any others on this list that have been watching the new TV 'Survivors' series you would have seen them struggling unsuccessfully trying to start a fire.

    The group is on a tropical island and their only equipment is one machete. No flint and steel. Nothing. Most of them have tried starting by friction rubbing. They got a little smoke but no real hot coals. I don't recall that any tried a bow with a string.

    I'm not sure what I would do. There is bamboo, so a fire tube with compression might be worth a try. I don't think there was any flint available on the islands.

    Interesting hearing what others would do under those conditions.

Frank

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