From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1381 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, July 30 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1381 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: Clerk's caps, -       Re: MtMan-List: RE: Clerk's caps, -       MtMan-List: Re: sardines -       MtMan-List: footwear -       Re: MtMan-List: footwear -       Re: MtMan-List: footwear ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:40:00 EDT From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: Clerk's caps, - --part1_146.2f52b30a.2e398540_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here are some directions for a cap. If someone has already posted the directions, sorry for the repeat frank sablan midland,texas Making A Clerk's Cap - --part1_146.2f52b30a.2e398540_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here are some directions for a cap= .  If someone has already posted the directions, sorry for the repeat
frank sablan
midland,texas

Making A Clerk's Cap= - --part1_146.2f52b30a.2e398540_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:11:05 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: Clerk's caps,
Hi Frank and Gene,   Thanks for the reply.   Larry responded to me.  Thanks to you two for your response.  If I can get the pattern ready to go, I'll go that route.  Otherwise I'll try to figure it out.  Larry says he'll send me a pattern though.  The local mission found out recently that the resident padre arranged for 3 russians to visit the Lompoc Mission from up North.  The reason was to try to learn from them the science of windmill building.  The Mission has a 'Candle Light ' tour every year.  Folks come and explore the mission at night, and all sorts of scenerios are played out for the tour.  George Thompson, Pat Quilter and I have been asked to portray the russian craftsmen.  I'm trying to put together a believable outfit for this event.  We'll have lots of fun, as we usually do when participating in Mission events.  Check out some of the fun at this website; look under 'activities'.  Thanks again, Randy
http://www.lapurisimamission.org/
 
 
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here are some directions for a cap.  If someone has already posted the directions, sorry for the repeat

frank sablan
midland,texas

Making A Clerk's Cap
- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:12:35 -0500 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: sardines If you'll take a little beeswax........ Absalom >> Spoken like a true WAX TENDER. Is Wax Tender one word or two ? LP - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:22:40 -0600 From: "Keith Mitchell" Subject: MtMan-List: footwear This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4762F.E886B7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to camp I'm new to this sport and new to this page my name is Keith Mitchell I = =3D =3D3D run my own tannery and do all types of skins even period correct stuff I = =3D =3D3D also am a butcher by trade I am working on my persona and after a few = =3D =3D3D treks I want to change my footwear the center and side seams just are to = =3D =3D3D soft and after hiking in the rocky mts of Utah my feet are a bit sore I = =3D =3D3D was reading mark bakers book and like the shoe pack idea but was =3D3D wondering if it was period for the rocky mtn fur trade my persona is = =3D3D that of a company trapper so after reading all I could from the 8 books = =3D =3D3D of buckskining and several other books I have yet to come up with what I = =3D =3D3D feel will be right so I am taking advice from mark bakers book and =3D3D asking the trial worn experts for help so my pilgrims journey will be a = =3D =3D3D bit faster=3D3D20 thank you=3D3D20 Keith=3D3D20 p.s. I also run traps all winter and if there is anything I can offer in = =3D =3D3D the way of help=3D3D20 I will do my best - ------=3D3D_NextPart_000_0061_01C4748D.744E0F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [message truncated] - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4762F.E886B7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4762F.E886B7E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mike hodges Subject: Re: MtMan-List: footwear - --0-843587676-1091219466=:86032 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, Keith. Come in and welcome. If you've got a list of prices for elkskin, I'd be interested. Did you check out swrr list of rules for pilgrims. It's perty informative. I just started myself. Fun ain't it. Cannonball (Mike) Keith Mitchell wrote: Hello to camp I'm new to this sport and new to this page my name is Keith Mitchell I = =3D run my own tannery and do all types of skins even period correct stuff I = =3D also am a butcher by trade I am working on my persona and after a few = =3D treks I want to change my footwear the center and side seams just are to = =3D soft and after hiking in the rocky mts of Utah my feet are a bit sore I = =3D was reading mark bakers book and like the shoe pack idea but was =3D wondering if it was period for the rocky mtn fur trade my persona is =3D that of a company trapper so after reading all I could from the 8 books = =3D of buckskining and several other books I have yet to come up with what I = =3D feel will be right so I am taking advice from mark bakers book and =3D asking the trial worn experts for help so my pilgrims journey will be a = =3D bit faster=3D20 thank you=3D20 Keith=3D20 p.s. I also run traps all winter and if there is anything I can offer in = =3D the way of help=3D20 I will do my best - ------=3D_NextPart_000_0061_01C4748D.744E0F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [message truncated] - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! - --0-843587676-1091219466=:86032 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey, Keith.  Come in and welcome.  If you've got a list of prices for elkskin, I'd be interested.  Did you check out swrr list of rules for pilgrims.  It's perty informative. I just started myself.  Fun ain't it.  Cannonball (Mike)

Keith Mitchell <mitchellsfurco@sisna.com> wrote:

Hello to camp

I'm new to this sport and new to this page my name is Keith Mitchell I =
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run my own tannery and do all types of skins even period correct stuff I =
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also am a butcher by trade I am working on my persona and after a few =
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treks I want to change my footwear the center and side seams just are to =
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soft and after hiking in the rocky mts of Utah my feet are a bit sore I =
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was reading mark bakers book and like the shoe pack idea but was =3D
wondering if it was period for the rocky mtn fur trade my persona is =3D
that of a company trapper so after reading all I could from the 8 books =
=3D
of buckskining and several other books I have yet to come up with what I =
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feel will be right so I am taking advice from mark bakers book and =3D
asking the trial worn experts for help so my pilgrims journey will be a =
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bit faster=3D20
thank you=3D20
Keith=3D20
p.s. I also run traps all winter and if there is anything I can offer in =
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the way of help=3D20
I will do my best

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New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! - --0-843587676-1091219466=:86032-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:47:12 -0700 From: "RP Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: footwear This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C47644.1922A0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith, Welcome to the list. I'm sure others will have some good info/offerings = for you but I'd like to put my spin on this subject of proper moc's.=20 You ask about "shoe packs" and whether they are proper for the Rocky Mt. = Fur Trade era? The short answer is "probably not" since as I recall they = are patterned off one pair found back east in a dig site. But as you = have found, the other options aren't suitable for foot travel in the = "Rockies". Keeping in mind that virtually all original participants in = the RMFT era were mounted it's understandable how they got by so handily = in the various soft sole moccasin styles. And there were many. Eastern = Center Seam with and without a vamp. Side seam, tall and low cut. And = many others. There are rawhide soled moc patterns that might have seen = use in the American West but they are a desert moc where moisture isn't = much of a concern. The point is that I believe folks made what they were = familiar with. And that covers a lot of styles. Your not going to see many people in center seam shoe packs like Mark = favors but I personally do not see anything wrong with using them. That = is "how you were taught" to make them by those you grew up with from = wherever back east you came from and everyone except the native Indians = came from back east. It would be expected that in time you would likely = adopt the contemporary favorites or that might be the only style you = could get the local Indian ladies to turn out for you or............... = but at the moment your wearing what you know how to make and that is = shoe packs. Enough justification for ya? YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C47644.1922A0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Keith,
 
Welcome to the list. = I'm sure=20 others will have some good info/offerings for you but I'd like to put my = spin on=20 this subject of proper moc's.
 
You ask about "shoe = packs" and=20 whether they are proper for the Rocky Mt. Fur Trade era? The short = answer is=20 "probably not" since as I recall they are patterned off one pair found = back east=20 in a dig site. But as you have found, the other options aren't suitable = for foot=20 travel in the "Rockies".  Keeping in mind that virtually all = original=20 participants in the RMFT era were mounted it's understandable how they = got by so=20 handily in the various soft sole moccasin styles. And there were many. = Eastern=20 Center Seam with and without a vamp. Side seam, tall and low cut. And = many=20 others. There are rawhide soled moc patterns that might have seen use in = the=20 American West but they are a desert moc where moisture isn't much of a = concern.=20 The point is that I believe folks made what they were familiar with. And = that=20 covers a lot of styles.
 
Your not going to see = many people=20 in center seam shoe packs like Mark favors but I personally do not see = anything=20 wrong with using them. That is "how you were taught" to make them by = those you=20 grew up with from wherever back east you came from and everyone except = the=20 native Indians came from back east. It would be expected that in time = you would=20 likely adopt the contemporary favorites or that might be the only style = you=20 could get the local Indian ladies to turn out for you or............... = but at=20 the moment your wearing what you know how to make and that is shoe=20 packs.
 
Enough justification = for ya?=20 <G>
 
YMOS
Capt. = Lahti'
 
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