From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #146 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, September 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 146 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:47:04 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll oilcloth is available from Panther Primitives, PO 32, Normantown, WV 25267 phone 1-800-487-2684. works great for bedrolls, diamond flys (trail tarp), firewood cover, packbasket covers, haversacks, backpack, rain poncho and the list goes on.......... GunShot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: zaslow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hang in there with your good man! Eli, Hang in there with your husband. You never know what might catch his interest about this pastime of ours. I've been married to the love of my life for almost 20 years and she has never really shown a great interest in camping or Rendezvous. I made her buckskin dresses, tried to supply the best and most comfortable lodge and even got 2 of our 3 daughters to go to Rendezvous, but still she was not interested. Then about 3 years ago I started riding horses. At first she said, "Don't even think about EVER buying a horse." I loved riding and have bought all period saddle and tack, but ride a friend's horse which I will soon be buying. About 6 months ago, my wife decided to come out to the ranch and see my horse. She had a great time and after coming out for the next month decided she wanted to try riding. She's since taken lessons and just loves the horse she was taking lessons on. The reason I still haven't bought my horse is that the owner of the horse she was riding decided to sell him and we were able to work out a deal where I made payments. That was about 3 months ago and we will soon have him paid off. The bottom line is last week she told me that after we buy my horse (hopefully early next year), she would like to go the the AMM National Rendezvous next year and both of us take our horses. She is willing to sleep on the ground and will finally get some use out of the buckskin dresses I made. She just wants to be able to ride with me in the Rockies. Not bad from a woman who doesn't want to go camping! I'm sure the same will happen with your husband too. Best Regards, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:55:15 -0700 From: "Jon Bollin" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll Greetings all, I've been folowing this string about the use of linseed oil for waterprofing canvas. I seem to remember somthing on the AMM list a while back on this. Someone said that if you mix linseed oil with some type of thinner, I belive it was denatured alcohol, then apply it to the canvas it will dry faster and it wont stiffen up. I live right close to Mexico and buy a canvas that is coated with natural rubber, works great but dont breath worth a shit. You get all clammy under it during summer rain and in the winter it tends harden up to crack. It's great for covering panniers! - ---------- >From: RR1LA@aol.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll >Date: Fri, Sep 25, 1998, 9:47 PM > >oilcloth is available from Panther Primitives, PO 32, Normantown, WV 25267 >phone 1-800-487-2684. works great for bedrolls, diamond flys (trail tarp), >firewood cover, packbasket covers, haversacks, backpack, rain poncho and the >list goes on.......... GunShot > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:32:28 -0000 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll I know that the old addage about not storing oily rags was because linseed oil in contact with cloth can spontaneously ignite. see http://www.mhv.net/~dfriedman/arson/spontcom.htm . Anyway, this might make for a REALLY toasty bedroll. I know that linseed oil and beeswax is a good preservative for iron blacksmithed goods, and I have bought some military surplus "Impregnite, Shoe" from a trader who said it was linseed oil and beeswax. The Impregnite is for waterproofing shoes. In a bedroll, the smell would be a bit annoying, at least at first. Iron Burner Tom wrote: >Ron, I suppose there's no harm in trying, and I got the stuff laying about. >I'll give it a test and post back if it looks promising. >Ron wrote: > >> I read somewhere that if you heat Linseed Oil until it will melt beeswax, >> the combination oil/wax makes a good pliable waterproofing, although I >> haven't tried it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:39:01 EDT From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns in the house Dear Linda Short of us becoming Muslims or Mormans and you moving in with us (I've always wanted 2 wives) (Yes, I AM A glutton for punishment) You just ain't trying hard enough. There are re-enactors of all historic periods that would just LOVE to have a girl/woman/wife that understood the "Hobby" thing. Get your buns on some other lists and visit events (all types) in your geographic area. Broaden your horizons. I played in a honky tonk band for years, and passed up alot of opportunities because I wouldn't want to jeopadize (hope i spelt that right) my marriage , my wife is a buckskinner and that makes her a rare jewel (beside all her other assets) OH AND BY THE WAY WE RE-ENACTOR GUYS TEND TO BE A LITTLE SLOW ON THE WOMAN THING SOMETIMES. take it easy on 'em. I wish you the best of luck John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:13:39 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll I'm not AMM and I do not consider myself hardcore,but at home I don't light the fire until it gets down to the 30's,and in camp usually lay ontop of my blanket until the temp gets to about 50. >Your hardcore buddies probably got more natural insulation than me. >-) Ideally, the bottom would act as a groundcloth and the top would >act as a skycloth. This stuff's quite a bit heavier than a >painter's cloth but it's a coarse weave and appears rather porous. >I'll give the paint a test for the bottom. >Tom >ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote: >> Tom writes: >> > Planning to >> > stitch three sides so a wool blanket can be slipped inside for >>those > cold FL nights when it dips below 70 deg. >> Well, the first question that comes to mind is why you would need >>a bedroll and all those heavy blankets during a heatwave. My >>hardcore AMM buddies here carry a matchcoat and 1 blanket to >>below zero and throw the tarp over their heads to conserve heat. Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well "They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:41:36 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll With all due respect, this thing about linseed oil (especially boiled) on a canvas (cotton) bedroll is kinda scary. I once wrapped the head of a hawk with a linseed soaked cotton rag, in order to swell the wood and tighten the head, and when i came back about 12 hours later, the rag was HOT to the touch, and the HICKORY WOODEN HANDLE WAS BURNED. thank the Lord my shop was still intact. Linseed oil is extremely combustible, and on COTTON has been known to spontaneously combust. if your bedroll combusted in the middle of the night, with you in it, it might make you warmer than you'd EVER wanna be. think about it!!!!!! YHS, Gun Shot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:42:41 -0700 From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > . I once wrapped the head of a hawk with > a linseed soaked cotton rag, in order to swell the wood and tighten the head, > and when i came back about 12 hours later, the rag was HOT to the touch, and > the HICKORY WOODEN HANDLE WAS BURNED. thank the Lord my shop was still intact. > Linseed oil is extremely combustible, and on COTTON has been known to > spontaneously combust. I have had my linseed and pigment oilcloth for over a year, and have never had any problems. If I had scrunched it up and put it in a can when I first made it, It may have burned. But when cured the linseed is no longer prone to spontaneously combust. It is flammable, but a spark will generally roll off of it due to the smoothness of the surface. As for linseed and beeswax, it will burn even hotter and more readily. Beeswax and cloth make candles, and we all know how well they burn. As for the flammability concern. Modern fabrics burn too, sunforger will ignite as well as untreated canvas. I'll keep my oilcloth, and just be careful around fire. Your most onry' and disobediant hivernant. Sega ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:41:59 -0700 From: "Thomas W. Roberts" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll Boy, that sure sounds like the makin's for some dramatic dreams! I guess I'm not going to need any wool afterall. This could beat the time I rolled into a campfire in a down bag (don't ask). Tom Glenn Darilek wrote: > I know that the old addage about not storing oily rags was because linseed > oil in contact with cloth can spontaneously ignite. see > http://www.mhv.net/~dfriedman/arson/spontcom.htm . Anyway, this might make > for a REALLY toasty bedroll. > > I know that linseed oil and beeswax is a good preservative for iron > blacksmithed goods, and I have bought some military surplus "Impregnite, > Shoe" from a trader who said it was linseed oil and beeswax. The Impregnite > is for waterproofing shoes. In a bedroll, the smell would be a bit > annoying, at least at first. > > Iron Burner > > Tom wrote: > > >Ron, I suppose there's no harm in trying, and I got the stuff laying about. > >I'll give it a test and post back if it looks promising. > > >Ron wrote: > > > >> I read somewhere that if you heat Linseed Oil until it will melt beeswax, > >> the combination oil/wax makes a good pliable waterproofing, although I > >> haven't tried it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:02:14 -0500 From: "yellow rose/pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: Old gun barrels Hawk, I've been off line for a while so this post is a little late coming, but here it is. Always check old gun barrels to see if they are loaded. Dropping a steel rod down the bore to listen for a clink to determine if it is loaded is not always a sure thing. I won't go through the whole story, but I know of one case where a barrel was loaded with a ball bearing. The man was going to remove the breech plug, it did not want to give up so he dropped a steel rod down the bore to determine if it was loaded. It hit bottom with a definite clink so he stuck the breech in his forge to heat it up some. What happened next was rather spectacular. The thing went off and the ball bearing bounced off eveything in the shop. When the smoke cleared old Wally crawled out from under his forge unhurt, but scared damn near to death. One word of caution on a different subject all together. If you folks don't have a good surge protector, that includes the modem line, you would do well to invest in one. Lightning can do wonders for modem. Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:52:11 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bedroll/oil skin RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > With all due respect, this thing about linseed oil (especially boiled) on a > canvas (cotton) bedroll is kinda scary. Folks: I gave this a shot when I first signed on to the list. I'll give it a go again for the newcomers. (25 years as a Professional Fire Fighter). Linseed oil soaked rags are dangerous as a source of spontaneous ignition if the oil soaked cloth is put in an inclosed space, like a metal can, plastic can or the rags are wrapped up around something like the Hawk Head. After the oil has dried or cured, the danger is only that of any combustible material. That is why steel ships burn so well, they have been coated on the inside and outside with several layers of Paint. Your oil cloth bed roll will catch fire fairly easily if you bring it into contact with open flame. A spark won't do it. Probably burn a hole through it but that's about all. Now to how to make oil cloth. This recipe works though there are problems with the finished product. The recipe consists of linseed oil, bee's wax and about 4 to 8 oz. of burnt umber oil paint as found in your art supply store. The more bee's wax you use the more flexible the cloth will be. The thinner you can make the mixture the lighter the cloth will be. In a large coffee can (3 lb.) fill 1/2 the can full of linseed oil. Add at least one disc of bee's wax that measures 1" high and 4"-6" wide. Squeeze in the contents of one standard tube of burnt umber oil paint and bring to a simmer in the safest manner you know. This is about as dangerous an operation as making candles and the mixture needs to get that hot. Mix very well and while the mix cools a bit, prepare the cloth for treatment. After you take the mixture off the heat source and remove to a safe location, double the volume by adding turpentine, paint thinner, Etc. to thin the mix down. If you apply full strength it will add quit a bit of weight to the cloth. It will be heavy enough as it is. Prepare a flat area covered with a heavy plastic sheet of visquene and lay the cloth out smoothly no more than 4 thickness' deep. Use a paint roller with medium nape on a long handle (if available) and pour some of your "barely cool enough to handle" mixture into a roller pan and thoroughly soak the cloth. Flip the cloth over if needed to get good penetration. Make sure that you are applying well mixed product so you get a good distribution of bee's wax and oil paint. Most directions I have seen at this point say not to put the treated cloth in the sun to dry. I have done that here in E. WA and have not had any problem with the two oil cloths I have made. I pick the cloth up and try to find some place to drape it so that it will have good air movement and good heat from the sun and so that it will also drain if it needs to. I usually turn it at least once a day until it is fairly dry. It will smell like hell for at least two weeks and you lill not be able to stand being rolled up in it for an even longer time if you do not get it thoroughly dry. That is why I do it in very sunny weather. It may be a bit late in the season in some parts of the country to get a good quick drying. I have made two oil cloths using muslin. Muslin is a bit on the lite side and will be brittle and tear easily when the cloth is cold and stiff in the winter. Using stronger material will result in a stronger item but it will also hold more of the oil and bee's wax and thus be heavier. 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other. Another trait that you need to consider is that the cloth is quit moisture proof and will tend to build up a bit of condensation on the inside if you use it as a bed roll. I always use a wool blanket so though there is a bit of moisture on the inside in the morning, it isn't really that big a deal. I will close this out now before this darned machine freezes up on me and I loose the whole thing. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:13:08 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: Vermillion I need some feed back on American and Chinese vermillion. I know some about both and its uses by Indians. Question is what other uses did it have? Where does it come from? How about blue Indigo, I think it comes from a plant and that people dyed their clothes with it. Indians used it some. Want to know more Allan, do you have any infor on this Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:48:41 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion Blue indigo (Wild blue indigo) grows around here and some people dig the roots as they still have a value for making indigo ink. It's a real common plant. This isn't much but I hope it helps. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:01:22 EDT From: MIA3WOLVES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion In what general geographical location does indigo grow. I am in the midwest and I do not know if it is here. Does it have a botanical name that you know of? Red Hawk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:29:25 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: MtMan-List: Re: romance I had to forward this to the list! Now I think I know why my daughter is so nuts about voos! She's also a killer hawk thrower! BTW, I'm setting up a maillist for native reenactors to discuss makeup,special effects(slit ears,etc) history,etc. I'll let ya know when it's up and running. So, fellas you see not all shaved head pierced nosed people are young skirt chasing punks after our daughters,I have 7 grandchildren and still fit your description of a punk! There's ROMANCE in >the air. I think it's kind of funny that people are hitting on each >other over a mountain man chat line. I do admit it, it is a great >place for a young teenager like me to pick up some "honnies", but >it's definitely not the only reason I go to reenactments. I have >met several of my girlfriends at these things, but instead of the >opening lines like "hi" or "where are you from" it's usually "man, >this must suck staying here for the weekend", "is your nose and >ears really pierced?" or a really popular one is "do you have >anything under that?"(I'm referring to my breech clout or "butt >flap"). That's all I have to say about that. the roach that I have >was made to be a dancers roach. it's a small 7 in. base, but it >works perfectly when a were it on the back of my head as a worriers >roach. Do you know where I can get simulated wampum. If so, how >much would it cost me. Right now my peace medallion is suspended >from a red piece of trade ribbon and I want to suspend it from a >couple strands of wampum. >your worrier wannabe, >David Fritsch Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well "They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698 Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:22:52 -0700 From: Longtrail Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tanning >My hubby and I are tanning hides in our usual fasion. However, since I've >been cruising the information superhighway, I discovered a method that >requires pre-smoking the hides. In otherwords, after fleshing, dehairing, >braining, stretching and drying the hide, it is smoked, brained again, >worked again, and smoked again. > >Has anyone else tried this twice-smoked method? How did it work? > >This method by Joseph and Virginia Dinsmore is found on the NativeTech.com >web site. > >Thanks! >rednest@gilanet.com Hello,I read the letter to this site.I am glad that,and I hope that they try this way because once you do you usually dont go back.I only wanted to point out that the second smoking is for when the hide is softened out.If you look at the method in this way ,when a white hide that is soft and smoked gets wet , it requires very little stretching to soften it back up so why not smoke a prestretched hide to get the same results.Prestretching the hides does nothing more than to allow the smoke to penetrate futher into the hide.You are not trying to soften the hide at the prestretching stage just open the fibers up .If you would like to know more contact us at ezra@midrivers.com Joe and Longtrail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:06:16 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion Wild Bllue Indigo (Blue Wildindigo) (Baptisia australis) According to my books it grows throughout the plains and prairies of the United States. I live in eastern OKla. and here it's very common allthough most people don't know what it is. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:53:40 -0500 From: "Phil Petersen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tanning You can count on what Joe and Longtrail advise. The only problem I had was not taking the cotton out of my ears and putting it in my mouth. Just finished pre streching two hides using their method. I have had very good luck brain tanning over the last few weeks using the steps and revised steps they offer. I know Longtrail will be glad to hear that one of there students (me) has done some really good hides as of late. Grasshoppa - -----Original Message----- From: Longtrail To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 2:12 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tanning >>My hubby and I are tanning hides in our usual fasion. However, since I've >>been cruising the information superhighway, I discovered a method that >>requires pre-smoking the hides. In otherwords, after fleshing, dehairing, >>braining, stretching and drying the hide, it is smoked, brained again, >>worked again, and smoked again. >> >>Has anyone else tried this twice-smoked method? How did it work? >> >>This method by Joseph and Virginia Dinsmore is found on the NativeTech.com >>web site. >> >>Thanks! >>rednest@gilanet.com > >Hello,I read the letter to this site.I am glad that,and I hope that they >try this way because once you do you usually dont go back.I only wanted to >point out that the second smoking is for when the hide is softened out.If >you look at the method in this way ,when a white hide that is soft and >smoked gets wet , it requires very little stretching to soften it back up >so why not smoke a prestretched hide to get the same results.Prestretching >the hides does nothing more than to allow the smoke to penetrate futher >into the hide.You are not trying to soften the hide at the prestretching >stage just open the fibers up .If you would like to know more contact us at >ezra@midrivers.com >Joe and Longtrail > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:24:04 EDT From: Grantd9@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... While we are on the subject of brain tan. I am looking for a good source to buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings. I have received a price list from Wes Housler. Has anyone had any experience with his hides? Who are others that you would recommend? When it comes to spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I get the best quality I can. Thanks in advance for all the help. Grant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:38:55 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... Check these links: All are reputable sources..... Absaroka Western Designs Moscow Hide and Fur Deer Hides / Hunters For The Hungry Lietzau Taxidermy PO Box 12, Cosmos, MN 56228. (320) 877-7297 elkhide, Furs and hides, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:39:08 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... Grant: I would highly recommend the hides of my friend Mike "Dirty Shirt" Rider. He is at 2263 Gold Creek Ridge Rd. , Sandpoint Id. 83864. Give him a call at (208) 265-4862 and tell him Capt. Lahti sent ya. I remain... YMOS Capt. Lahti' Grantd9@aol.com wrote: > While we are on the subject of brain tan. I am looking for a good source to > buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings. I have > received a price list from Wes Housler. Has anyone had any experience with > his hides? Who are others that you would recommend? When it comes to > spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I get the > best quality I can. Thanks in advance for all the help. > > Grant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:56:54 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... I have known Wess for over 30 years. He was real young and so was I. His brain tanning is very good and the prices are reasonable. If you do not like what you see he will take it back with no questions. I have several of his Elk and deer. One could have been broken down more....sending it back. But tell him what you want and be tries to comply. But may need a swift kick in the butt to remind him every so often. The others mentioned are also familiar to me and will fit your needs. Are you going to do a dark smoke on the hide for the Eastern look or black and or red???? Love to see a man in good looking leggings and some good quill work at the knees. Was that a sexist statement? Linda Holley Grantd9@aol.com wrote: > While we are on the subject of brain tan. I am looking for a good source to > buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings. I have > received a price list from Wes Housler. Has anyone had any experience with > his hides? Who are others that you would recommend? When it comes to > spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I get the > best quality I can. Thanks in advance for all the help. > > Grant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:50:47 EDT From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Painters Tarps this is not period but there was a fairly famous tipi here in new york city for a while. the homeless people that used to live by the side of the manhattan bridge built a tipi out of old mail sacks. I know it probably wouldn't go over at rendezvous, but maybe you could turn them inside out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:16:41 EDT From: Grantd9@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... If it was a sexist statement, I didn't read it that way. Anyhow, I am interested in your comments about the dark smoke or dyed leggings. I have not found any good resources (can't say that I have looked THAT hard) to research leggings. I understand the design and can make a pair I am sure, but as for what is exactly correct for what group and area I am not sure. Any help would be much appreciated. Grant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:01:45 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... Wes has good hides another good tanner is Dave Bethke American Falls, Id 83211 3149 Raft Rd 208-226-2709 Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:04:45 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: Vermillion, Indigo But where can I get some blue indigo, and any information on vermillion Thanks in advance Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:07:16 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: DYES : Vermillion and Indigo... Gary, (Ground Afire) Somebody on the AMM e-mail list has asked about the botanical and common names for Blue Indigo and Vermillion, and the range o= f where each grows. Any help? Thanks. R. Note to the List: It helps to know a botanist, LOL=099/27/98 Sunday =09I grow and know well two dye plants that call themselves Indigo...here = are the scientific names of the two most often used species: BAPTISIA tinctoria- =93Wild Indigo=94 4=92 dye plant INDIGOFERA tinctoria- =93Blue indigo=94 dye plant =09There are a number of other species of both Baptisia and Indigofera tha= t make dye, but these are the most common. Also, blue dye was most popularly made from another plant ISATIS tinctoria- =93Woad=94...and others. Bap= tisia ranges from the eastern USA, Mass to Florida and west to Minn. Indigofera was grown throughout the colonies and there is a fascinating history of this plant as a valuable cash crop. =09Vermillion is a variety of mercuric sulphide, HgS, and was prepared by subliming the black sulfide obtained on heating mercury with sulphur. = I don=92t know the date when this process was discovered. =09It produces a brilliant scarlet, very heavy solid which when finely gro= und makes a beautiful and permanent pigment. It was also painted on shi= p bottoms to help prevent fouling. I have a lot more information on all = of this if you need it...let me know. =09I still haven=92t gotten on any AMM or RDV lists yet and perhaps when y= ou get time could you make me some =93go to=94 lists? =09I hope this helps... Gary =09=09 =09=09 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:36:54 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion, Indigo Joe writes: > But where can I get some blue indigo, and any information on vermillion Joe, There is a mailing list called NaturalDyes which deals with all aspects of using natural materials for dyeing. If you are interested, contact me off- list and I will send you the instructions to subscibe. It is a new list and the volume is still very low. The topic of vermillion recently came up there. True vermillion, also known as cinnabar, is a mercury compound that is seldom used anymore because of it's toxicity characteristics. A web search using the key word "cinnabar" might turn up some information on it. Vermillion is often erroneously used to denote red ochre, but the two compounds are very different. OldFox ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:40:09 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion, Indigo cinnabar is also a mineral used by the asians for carving into beads, statues, boxes,etc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:33:39 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: romance I had to forward this to the list! Now I think I know why my daughter is so dave make your own wampum---contact me offline and i will give you instructions--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:42:12 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Vermillion trapperjoe what does it look like-in what area does it grow-----ken is it common in arkansas---do you know what it looks like maby during hunting season we can find it--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:06:16 EDT TrapRJoe@aol.com writes: >Wild Bllue Indigo (Blue Wildindigo) (Baptisia australis) >According to my books it grows throughout the plains and prairies of >the >United States. >I live in eastern OKla. and here it's very common allthough most >people don't >know what it is. > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:47:27 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... 200+ is out of my budget--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:24:04 EDT Grantd9@aol.com writes: >While we are on the subject of brain tan. I am looking for a good >source to >buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings. I >have >received a price list from Wes Housler. Has anyone had any experience >with >his hides? Who are others that you would recommend? When it comes to >spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I >get the >best quality I can. Thanks in advance for all the help. > >Grant > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:52:44 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On the subject of brain tan... hell no---and art form is a art form--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:56:54 -0400 Linda Holley writes: >I have known Wess for over 30 years. He was real young and so was I. >His brain >tanning is very good and the prices are reasonable. If you do not >like what you >see he will take it back with no questions. I have several of his Elk >and >deer. One could have been broken down more....sending it back. But >tell him >what you want and be tries to comply. But may need a swift kick in >the butt to >remind him every so often. >The others mentioned are also familiar to me and will fit your needs. >Are you >going to do a dark smoke on the hide for the Eastern look or black and >or >red???? Love to see a man in good looking leggings and some good >quill work at >the knees. Was that a sexist statement? > >Linda Holley > >Grantd9@aol.com wrote: > >> While we are on the subject of brain tan. I am looking for a good >source to >> buy a couple of hides to make a pair of eastern style leggings. I >have >> received a price list from Wes Housler. Has anyone had any >experience with >> his hides? Who are others that you would recommend? When it comes >to >> spending $200+ on a couple of deer hides I want to make sure that I >get the >> best quality I can. Thanks in advance for all the help. >> >> Grant > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #146 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.