From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #160 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, October 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 160 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:17:22 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: MtMan-List: Old CVA Pistols Friends, At a recent Civil War event I bought a muzzleloading pistol for $75.00, that bears a strong resemblance to the CVA mountain pistol. The lock plate, nipple drum, breech plug, and barrel work are identical to my old CVA mountain rifle (which was made in the USA). The pistol was apparently made in Spain and is also marked with the name "JUKAR", along with the serial number 0040879. It is not marked CVA anywhere. Someone told me that CVA pistols were once made in Spain. CVA firearms were very good (my mountain rifle is an older model with patch box, double set trigger and all) and I assume they still are. I am wondering if anyone knows when CVA had their guns made in Spain and if they still do. Can anyone give me a clue to manufacture date by the serial number? Thanks, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:39:56 -0600 From: "L. A. Romsa" Subject: MtMan-List: Bees wax I about to get some bees wax from a bee keeper. I've looked everywhere and = this is all I could find. He says its in a bucket. How do I clean this? I'm going to use it on some restoration and to make patch lube. Thanks for = all suggestions. BrokenJaw=20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:07:36 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com (michael pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hi try dixie gun works--- =+= hawk michael pierce 854 glenfield dr. palm harbor florida 34684 e-mail: hgawknest4@juno.com On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:41:17 EDT Michnat97@aol.com writes: >I was wondering if you could tell me where i could find parts for a h& >45/70 >trapp door gun thank you scott mcdwell > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:35:46 -0500 From: "S.M.Despain-1" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Wintering Grounds TetonTod@aol.com wrote: > > Jim, > > A grad student at BYU studing under Dr. Gowans did his thesis on Mountaineer > wintering sites I believe. He recently moved to Nebraska I think, but promised > me a copy when it was printed. I'll track him down and get back to you. > > Todd D. Glover Jim: The grad student discussed who did his thesis on wintering sites (in the same format as Gowan's Rocky Mountian Rendezvous book), Carey Oman, is now at Southern Methodist University in Dallas studying under David J. Weber. The thesis is good, Carey gave me a copy last time we met, I would suspect he'll try to do something in book form down the road after a little polish. Anyway, that is where you can contact him. Matt Despain University of Oklahoma ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:50:23 -0500 From: "S.M.Despain-1" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reading Material SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > > Ho the list. > I am planning, already, for a long wet winter here in the NW and would like a > list of the top five "must read" books on Mountain Men and the Fur Trade. I've > read Bridger, Osborne Russell, Bonneville, Playboy, Meek, and Parkman to > mention a few.... Will be interesting to see how the "top five" develops. > Steve > Steve: Books on the mountian men I would recomend. For short biography see LeRoy Hafen and Harvey L. Carter two books by Nebraska Press derived from Hafen's Mountian Man and the Fur Trade (10 vols.). Also I did one with the Hafen series but focusing on the Southwest fur trade titled Fur Trappers and Traders of the Far Southwest by Utah State University Press. Janet Lecompt has recently done one of this ilk on just French fur men in the Far West. Other works would be Fred Gowans, Rocky Mountain Rendezvous; David J. Weber, The Taos Trappers; Dale Morgan, Jedediah Smith and the Opening of the West is the best biography in my opinion; the next best would be Harvey L. Carter, Dear Old Kit. Stay away from anything Stanley Vestal wrote, too much fillagree. These are just off the top of my head, good reading. Matt Despain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:57:48 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reading Material Robert G. Athern's _Forts of the Upper Missouri_ is a very good treatment of the highly significant non-rendezvous aspects of the fur trade, and offers a superior treatment of the beaver-to-buffalo robe transitional period. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:28:30 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax Brokenjaw, Check out this site.... http://www.flnet.com/~amethyst/candlecauldron.html... they have the links to most any kind of wax and should be able to tell ya how to clean raw bees wax. It sure makes great candles, and traditional too. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:02:49 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: MtMan-List: Old CVA Pistols Correction. It's a Kentucky pistol, not a Mtn. Pistol. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:08:56 EDT From: TetonTod@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax Melt down the comb and remaining honey in a large pan or metal bucket and skim off the impurities. Then pour the wax into an ice cube tray and you will have lots of convinient blocks to use and give away to friends. Todd Glover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:31:08 -0500 From: "Jody Carlson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax Dear LA Romsa; I believe a possible source of beeswax can be found in the plumbing section of your local hardware store: it's the wax "ring" that seals the toilet. At least the last time I checked you could still find some made of beeswax. Yr Mst Obt Servt, sjsdm@conpoint.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:17:42 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: plains moccasins Sorry for the delay...had to find the information. 1-800-301-8009 Written Heritage for tape on How to make Moccassins Vol. 1: Plains Indian Hard Sole Style.....19.95+4.00 S&H. It is a good tape. Linda Holley Jerry H. Wheeler wrote: > please send me info iron tongue > > Linda Holley wrote: > > > One of the best tapes on making Plains type mocs came out a year ago. It is > > the best I have seen on how to make good fitting foot ware. I have read all > > the books and seen all the articles, of which the ones published in > > Whispering Wind Mag. are among the best and most detailed of any of the > > books from Laubin to David Montgomery. Give me a call on the net and I will > > send information on how to get it. It is also on the Native tech sight in > > their Magazine section for Whispering Wind. > > > > Linda Holley > > > > Gary Farabee wrote: > > > > > T.A. Terry wrote: > > > > > > > > I would like to make a pair of plains style hard sole moccasins. Any > > > > suggestions for books or articles that would describe in detail how to > > > > do this? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > I don't know if this is of any help. The Apache style moc does have a > > > harder sole than the Plains type moc. A book by David Montgomery, > > > Mountain Crafts and Skills gives directions for them on pp 60-66. The > > > book is published by Horizon Publishers, P.O.Box 490, Bountiful, Utah > > > 84010. > > > > > > The ISbn number is 0-88290-156-7 in case a library could help. The > > > company order number 12 1224. > > > Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:43:52 -0700 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: [none] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BDFD2B.21C631E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody have a tentmaker's catalog (preferably Panther Primitive) = handy? Please contact me because I need a little information. Thankee = kindly Lanney Ratcliff rat@htcomp.net - ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BDFD2B.21C631E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BDFD2B.21C631E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:15:11 -0600 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter camps Brothers, On the same train of thought about trapper -parties-winter camps-etc.,=20 Dale Nelson's new website (still being worked on) will cover traders befo= re 1840, has a few names listed that are interesting so far, check it out. http://members.xoom.com/dfnels/ Buck Conner Baker Party, CO dba/ Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. "Uno qui=E9n negocia" Spanish / "One who trades" / =93Unqui commerce=94 = French See Correspondence below; Dale's remark at the end of this. "if you have = a particular trader on the list of interest to you, let me know & I'll ........", this would be a good chance to have some input!!!!! - --------------------------------------------------- > > From: Dale Nelson > > To: buck.conner@worldnet.att.net > > Subject: (no subject) > > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 3:25 AM > > hi Buck > > I like your site - thought you'd be interested in seeing my work in > > progress > > http://members.xoom.com/dfnels/ > > Dale - ---------------------------------------------------- > Barry Conner wrote: > What you have so far looks very interesting, with your permision would like > to link both of my sites to yours. > http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html > http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ > I'm working on a third site on travel and equipage needed for a correct= ly > equipped reenacter wanting to get the full experience of trekking a few= =20 > days, a month or longer. > Buck >=20 - --------------------------------------------------- Buck, Link away - I intend to add to the page as time permits, if you have a particular trader on the list of interest to you, let me know & I'll add what info I have on them to the page. Dale - --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:57:25 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: goldern age horn was wondering if you are someone could anwser a question about a goldern age horn what could one use to get the goldern color on the body,and the black color on the throat. thank you traphand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:32:58 -0700 From: "Bz" Subject: MtMan-List: L & C Food Greetings to All, Been lurking on the list for awhile and enjoyed all the knowledge so freely shared. Have been rereading the Journals of Lewis and Clark (DeVoto) and the same question keeps popping up. During the time they were on the coast and at Fort Clatsop they mention many times the monatony of their diet of elk and salmon. Why did they not make use of the other sea food there? I use to live in that area and even today you can gather a pretty tasty meal off the shore and bay. If no one else Lewis had to be familiar with sea food from his time spent in D.C. and other east coast cities. Surely men of there proven ingenuity could have cobbled together a couple of crab pots, or steamed a bushel or two of clams ect. Even without the drawn butter and lemon it would have supplied a tasty break from their boring diet. So what am I missing? Any information or opinions appreciated. Thanks Buzz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:52:52 -0700 From: Dennis Fisher Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax L. A. Romsa wrote: > I about to get some bees wax from a bee keeper. I've looked everywhere and this is all I could find. He says its in a bucket. How do I clean this? > I would put it in a coffee can or just leave it in the bucket, if its metal, and heat it up until the wax melts. You can skim off all the impurities that float to the top don't worry about the heavier stuff that settles to the bottom. After skimming off the floating debris, gently pour off the pure bees wax into a mold or some other container. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:19:13 -0700 From: Frank Subject: MtMan-List: Re: - --------------2AEE87D03B9F58FA25F1EDCF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a place you can go to see Panther's catalog. MB http://www.catalogcity.com/ViewCover.cfm?VID=150674 Lanney Ratcliff wrote: > Does anybody have a tentmaker's catalog (preferably Panther > Primitive) handy? Please contact me because I need a little > information. Thankee kindlyLanney Ratcliffrat@htcomp.net - --------------2AEE87D03B9F58FA25F1EDCF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a place you can go to see Panther's catalog.
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- --------------2AEE87D03B9F58FA25F1EDCF-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:55:43 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: goldern age horn Traphand, Sorry my friend but they come that way from the cow or they don't. Anyother way will look faked. I remain... YMOS Capt. Lahti' Traphand@aol.com wrote: > was wondering if you are someone could anwser a question about a goldern age > horn what could one use to get the goldern color on the body,and the black > color on the throat. > > thank you > traphand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:07:58 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old CVA Pistols Henry B. Crawford wrote: > > Friends, > > At a recent Civil War event I bought a muzzleloading pistol for $75.00, > that bears a strong resemblance to the CVA mountain pistol. The lock > plate, nipple drum, breech plug, and barrel work are identical to my old > CVA mountain rifle (which was made in the USA). The pistol was apparently > made in Spain and is also marked with the name "JUKAR", along with the > serial number 0040879. It is not marked CVA anywhere. Someone told me > that CVA pistols were once made in Spain. CVA firearms were very good (my > mountain rifle is an older model with patch box, double set trigger and > all) and I assume they still are. > > I am wondering if anyone knows when CVA had their guns made in Spain and if > they still do. Can anyone give me a clue to manufacture date by the serial > number? I can't help you with the serial #'s, but ALL of CVA has been made in Spain for a number of years. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:08:05 +0000 From: randybublitz@juno.com (RANDAL J BUBLITZ) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L & C Food Buzz, I don't know either (scratching head). The Corps had lots of (some too intimate) contact with the coastal Indians. Why didn't locals show them, or sell them, tasty tidbits from the sea??? Good question. Any one else bummfuzzled? I am. One thing I do know , they were craving animal fat, which crabs , etc.. would not provide. They complained of lean elk, etc... Hardtack ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Keller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax The Toilet rings that I used over the years were not pure beeswax.So beware. - ---Jody Carlson wrote: > > Dear LA Romsa; > > I believe a possible source of beeswax can be found in the plumbing section > of your local hardware store: it's the wax "ring" that seals the toilet. > At least the last time I checked you could still find some made of beeswax. > > Yr Mst Obt Servt, > > sjsdm@conpoint.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:29:19 -0600 From: "David Tippets" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Scottish Lee, The effects of nationalism and ethnocentrism on we interpret the history of the West are facinating. Let's probe a little deeper into the concept of Scottish mountain men. The answer to MacRaith's original question can be a simple as some Scottish names, or more complex if you put those Scottsmen in the context of the political and corporate intrigue of their day. It would be possible to make a division between what was a "fur trader" and what was a "mountain man." If we don't make that too wide of a division, then certainly significant Scottish mountain men would include such characters as Peter Skene Ogden, John Work, Alexander Ross, Finan McDonald, and others who all led multiple significant brigades trapping and trading for beaver in the Rocky Mountains. If we draw a heavy line between "fur traders" and "mountain men," then we probably have to say those Scotts were traders rather than mountain men. But in being consistent, we'd also have to say that Jim Bridger, William Sublette, and Etiene Provost were also traders rather than mountain men -- and we could hardly bare the pain of denying Old Gabe his crown as King of the Mountain Men. Why not say that Ogden, Work, Ross, and McDonald were "Rocky Mountain" mountain men? Further, the Rocky Mountains don't stop at 49 N. Latitude, so we might also include Scottsmen McKennzie and Fraser as mountain men who explored the Rocky Mountains. It is interesting to note in Alexander Ross's autobiography, he recalls a conversation with the Northwest Company factor he went to work for after John Jacob Astor sold out Astoria. That particular Scottish/Canadian trader, who probably could not qualify as a mountain man, asked Ross to compare the differences between how the "Americans" and the "North Westers" did business. Ross's reply included the statement, "Are we not all Americans and all Scottsmen?" Ross's statement leads one to believe that from the mouth of Columbia at the time Scottsmen must have appeared to be abundant and the land they explored appeared to be America. Scottsman Ross appears to have been just as willing work of a New York based company as a Montreal based company. If New Yorker John Jacob Astor has succeeded in making his dream of dominating the western fur trade a reality, it might have been Astor rather than the Hudson Bay Company who purchased the Northwest Company. Astor's navy just couldn't compete with the navy of the competition. It's fun to speculate -- if that multitude of Northwest Company Scotsmen had suddenly become Astor's employees -- would we even think of them as Scottsmen today? Or would we have grandfathered them in as "Americans," as we did all the other first-generation immigrants who settled in the Oregon Territory? In either case, the Scotts who participated in the Snake River Brigades probably have just as stong of a claim to be called mountain men as the men of various national origens who accompanied Ashley to the mountains. It's a man's deeds that made him a mountain man -- not where he was born or which company signed his paycheck during the competition between weathy and powerful men to gain control of the Western fur trade. The stockholders just wanted more profit -- the politicians just wanted to gain control of the territory on behalf of their constituent stockholders -- and the mountain men (American, Scottish, French, or Indian) just wanted to see what was on the other side of the divide. Anyway, that's how it seems from here in Peter Skene's Ogden, Mexico-Utah. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: Lee Newbill To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 1:16 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Scottish >> MacRaith@mail.swbell.net wrote: >> I am just getting started and am looking for good resource material >> > for the Scottish during the French Indian War & more specifically on >> > those that went mountain man afterwards. Any suggestions? > >On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Dennis Fisher wrote: >> I think we have a slight timing problem here. The French and Indian War was >> in the late 1750s and the mountain man period, at its earliest really >> didn't get going until after Lewis and Clark returned. > >Actually Dennis, your partially correct, the american Rocky Mountain >Furtrade dates to after Lewis and Clark, however, the American Fur Trade >dates back to Champlain in the early 1600's. The Northwest Company, which >picked up the pieces of the french fur trade in the later 1700's and was >chock full of Scots, as was the HBC. > >Regards > >Lee Newbill >Viola, Idaho >email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu >Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage >http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:57:17 -0400 From: "John L. Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L & C Food Hello the list, The Original Journals of Lewis and Clark (Moulton edition) include references to foods other than salmon and elk that the Corps of Discovery consumed while at Fort Clatsop on the Pacific. These included dog, whale blubber, candlefish, roots and berries, hawks, ducks, and sturgeon. There is no mention of shellfish (clams) or crustaceans (crabs). I would suspect that the Indians consumed those delicacies but that Lewis and Clark, demanding a diet that contained fat, would have avoided the trouble it took to seek out shellfish and crustaceans for more readily available foods. There is an entire chapter in a relatively recent book on the Expedition devoted to the foods Lewis and Clark and their men consumed. See Albert Furtwangler, ACTS OF DISCOVERY: VISIONS OF AMERICA IN THE LEWIS AND CLARK JOURNALS (Univ. of Illinois Press, 1993), chapter 5. John Logan Allen (author of LEWIS AND CLARK AND THE IMAGES OF THE AMERICAN NORTHWEST, Dover paperback, 1991). - -----Original Message----- From: Bz To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 11:14 PM Subject: MtMan-List: L & C Food >Greetings to All, > Been lurking on the list for awhile and enjoyed all the knowledge so >freely shared. > Have been rereading the Journals of Lewis and Clark (DeVoto) and the >same question keeps popping up. > During the time they were on the coast and at Fort Clatsop they mention >many times the monatony of their diet of elk and salmon. > Why did they not make use of the other sea food there? I use to live >in that area and even today you can gather a pretty tasty meal off the >shore and bay. If no one else Lewis had to be familiar with sea food from >his time spent in D.C. and other east coast cities. > Surely men of there proven ingenuity could have cobbled together a >couple of crab pots, or steamed a bushel or two of clams ect. Even without >the drawn butter and lemon it would have supplied a tasty break from their >boring diet. > So what am I missing? > Any information or opinions appreciated. > Thanks > Buzz > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:13:33 -0700 From: Gary Bell Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax filters - firestarters Yes, melt your wax in a metal container, but put it in a larger pan of boiling water, so you don't set fire to your kitchen. Keep a fire extinguisher handy too. I wouldn't use an open flame for a heat source either (being a science geek I used an electric lab hotplate with a solid metal top). My hot water heater made water hot enough to melt the wax I needed to clean up from pots and filter funnels. When I melted about a hundred pounds of bees wax for my former wife's craft business (casting Christmas ornaments in chocolate candy molds) I skimmed it off the water, but also had to filter it. Get a big funnel and find an old cotton sheet at a garage sale or in your own linen closet. Tear squares twice as wide as the funnel, fold the square into quarters and open up one of the pockets that makes, placing the folded filter cloth in the funnel. Pour your skimmed wax through the fabric filter, and when the fabric clogs with debris put in another fresh filter and squeeze the liquid wax out of the first into the second (best you can, as you have to use tongs to handle the hot filter). I used two filter funnels to make changing easier. Set the used filters aside, as they make WONDERFUL fire starters, cut to any size you like. As a fire starter they are waterproof and will burn like a candle with a large wick, perfect for wet conditions like we have here on the upper left coast. I also used paper towels, but with cotton sheet fabric at least the materials and techniques are suitable for primitive camping. I have no historical references for actual use of this as a firestarting aide, but I haven't looked for one either. Your skimmed and filtered wax should be a nice consistant color and visibly free of debris. It would make dandy candles as is (dipped or cast), or mixed with some suitable solvent / oil, a nice patch lube or wood/leather finish (recall recent postings about waterproofing canvas tenting materials). You might want to soak the soles of your moc's in melted wax to extend their use in damp conditions, and I have seen references (in Modern camping books) to waxing the exposed parts of cotton (or leather) clothing to render it rainproof. We all recall the recent conversations here about waxing the inside of gourds. Dennis Fisher wrote: > L. A. Romsa wrote: > > > I about to get some bees wax from a bee keeper. I've looked everywhere and this is all I could find. He says its in a bucket. How do I clean this? > > > > I would put it in a coffee can or just leave it in the bucket, if its metal, and heat it up until the wax melts. You can skim off all the impurities > that float to the top don't worry about the heavier stuff that settles to the bottom. After skimming off the floating debris, gently pour off the > pure bees wax into a mold or some other container. > > Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:57:43 -0500 From: Monte Holder Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L & C Food I have also wondered about this. But I seem to recall a number of times reading L&C journals and they describe eating stuff (different foods) found along the way and finding not liking the taste or texture. I don't remember the version or edition, I've read most of at least two different sets of journals. It seems like some folks I know around here (Central Missouri) who WON'T even try something different. Granted I don't think they've ever been REALLY hungry, but it may have something to do with this. Personally, I've learned from my daddy "I don't care what you call me as long as you call me For Dinner." Monte Holder Saline Co MO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:03:07 -0600 From: Glenn Darilek Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax Jody Carlson wrote: > > I believe a possible source of beeswax can be found in the plumbing section > of your local hardware store: it's the wax "ring" that seals the toilet. > At least the last time I checked you could still find some made of beeswax. They might have a beeswax base, but they use some other oil or something to make it more pliable and sticky. However, the rings might be good for some purposes. By handling the rings and pure beeswax, you will soon find they are different. Judging from the cost of beeswax and the cost of the rings, they couldn't be made of pure beeswax. Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:05:29 -0700 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BDFDCD.68201D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the information. This will answer all his questions. Thanks = again. Lanney -----Original Message----- From: Frank To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 7:19 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Re:=20 =20 =20 Here's a place you can go to see Panther's catalog.=20 MB=20 http://www.catalogcity.com/ViewCover.cfm?VID=3D150674=20 =20 Lanney Ratcliff wrote:=20 Does anybody have a tentmaker's catalog (preferably Panther = Primitive) handy? 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Lanney Ratcliff wrote:=20

 Does=20 anybody have a tentmaker's catalog (preferably Panther = Primitive) handy?=20 Please contact me because I need a little information.  = Thankee=20 kindlyLanney = Ratcliffrat@htcomp.net
- ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BDFDCD.68201D20-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:55:47 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bees wax On 1998-10-22 hist_text@lists.xmission.com said to kestrel@ticon.net >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >X-UIDL: d6cc6fe1a68e3bdba2fa28815e78678d >Dear LA Romsa; >I believe a possible source of beeswax can be found in the plumbing >section of your local hardware store: it's the wax "ring" that >seals the toilet. At least the last time I checked you could still >find some made of beeswax. >Yr Mst Obt Servt, >sjsdm@conpoint.com Thats not regular bees wax. Its too soft and way too sticky.I've never seen bees wax that could be thrown against a wall and have it stick. Not to mention getting it all over your hands. Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well Lots wife was a pillar of salt by day,but a ball of fire by night! Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #160 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.