From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #218 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, January 13 1999 Volume 01 : Number 218 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:56:55 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy = and an international sugar trader. Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Barry Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >Paul & Dennis, > >When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them = damn >eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA. > >After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and = Texas >boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: "I >rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from = Calif. or >Texas". > >So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys. = Good >luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney. > >Buck >___________________________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Jones >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder > > >>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. I am glad to have you as a friend as you are >>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to how >>Yankees turn out. One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dennis Miles >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >> >> >>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans! >>>> >>> >>> >>>Capt. >>>, >>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the = cup a >>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted >>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember... >>> >>>Dennis >>> >>> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >>> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >>> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >>> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:57:23 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder Very good Lanney, I like your response and as Dennis would probably say your size says something too. What was the story about the shoe box ???? Buck __________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Lanney Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy and an international sugar trader. Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Barry Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >Paul & Dennis, > >When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them damn >eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA. > >After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and Texas >boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: "I >rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from Calif. or >Texas". > >So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys. Good >luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney. > >Buck >___________________________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Jones >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder > > >>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. I am glad to have you as a friend as you are >>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to how >>Yankees turn out. One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dennis Miles >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >> >> >>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans! >>>> >>> >>> >>>Capt. >>>, >>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the cup a >>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted >>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember... >>> >>>Dennis >>> >>> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >>> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >>> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >>> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:40:32 +0000 From: randybublitz@juno.com (RANDAL J BUBLITZ) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns Don, could be a good price? Who made it? Is it .54 or .58 caliber, in other words is it an accurate model? The originals were .54 caliber. Hardtack ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:06:46 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns I read years ago the originals were .52 cal. and early reproductions were .54 or .58 ! Buck - -----Original Message----- From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:07 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns >Don, could be a good price? Who made it? Is it .54 or .58 caliber, in >other words is it an accurate model? The originals were .54 caliber. >Hardtack > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:00:34 -0600 From: "yellow rose/pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder Yep ! That would be us. We're all three about as delicate as a anvil. Pardon us folks for this rambling but really we are just funnin. Dennis you must allow for the rotation of the earth. What were you thinking? Pendleton - ---------- > From: Dennis Miles > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:36 PM > > Capt'n, > > I wasn't in my cups, the Earth had one of those "gravity fluxes" and I just > lost my balance... > Pendleton, my dear friend, Lanney and I discussed that in Mo. last > year...Decided we would just join forces and whup up on someone smaller > (approx 98% of the world population) as we was afeard of mebby bruisin one > another....We are delicate floweres, y' know... > > D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > > > >Yeah I was talking about the same Dennis. Now being of semi-sound mind, I > >got no hankerin to wad-up with Dennis but if'n him and Lanney was to go to > >it, I'd pay to watch. > >Pendleton > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:50:52 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder I'm at a loss....what shoe box? Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Barry Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >Very good Lanney, I like your response and as Dennis would probably say = your >size says something too. What was the story about the shoe box ???? > >Buck >__________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: Lanney Ratcliff >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:52 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder > > >As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy = and >an international sugar trader. >Lanney >-----Original Message----- >From: Barry Conner >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder > > >>Paul & Dennis, >> >>When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them = damn >>eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA. >> >>After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and = Texas >>boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: = "I >>rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from = Calif. >or >>Texas". >> >>So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys. = Good >>luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney. >> >>Buck >>___________________________________ >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Paul Jones >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >> >> >>>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. I am glad to have you as a friend as you are >>>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to = how >>>Yankees turn out. One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Dennis Miles >>>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM >>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >>> >>> >>>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans! >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Capt. >>>>, >>>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the = cup a >>>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor = Sainted >>>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember... >>>> >>>>Dennis >>>> >>>> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >>>> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >>>> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >>>> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:44:54 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder Damn Pendleton... T' wrent my fault I lost my balance...Lanny was forcin' me to drink that Meskin Likker...Messed up my gravitational timin'... You know, you Texicans are right, after a half gallon or so, it makes one rather melow.... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >Yep ! That would be us. We're all three about as delicate as a anvil. >Pardon us folks for this rambling but really we are just funnin. Dennis >you must allow for the rotation of the earth. What were you thinking? >Pendleton > >---------- >> From: Dennis Miles >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:36 PM >> >> Capt'n, >> >> I wasn't in my cups, the Earth had one of those "gravity fluxes" and I >just >> lost my balance... >> Pendleton, my dear friend, Lanney and I discussed that in Mo. last >> year...Decided we would just join forces and whup up on someone smaller >> (approx 98% of the world population) as we was afeard of mebby bruisin >one >> another....We are delicate floweres, y' know... >> >> D >> >> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >> >> >> >Yeah I was talking about the same Dennis. Now being of semi-sound mind, >I >> >got no hankerin to wad-up with Dennis but if'n him and Lanney was to go >to >> >it, I'd pay to watch. >> >Pendleton >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:55:32 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns if you are not interested please send me info offline i might be interested depending on what it really is and all---undoubtedly you mean a harpers ferry 1827--your spelling is almost as bad as mine---(only funning you) let me know whats happening or give me a call and i will give you what information i have available in reference to value and such---not a bad buy if the condition is average or above---is it a rifle or a short musket---has it been cut down or is it full length--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:08:19 -0600 Don Neighbors writes: >I was offered a 1827 Hoppers Farrey Flintlock rifle in good condition >for $450.00 is this a goog buy? > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:14:43 -0800 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder They're sure givin' us Texans a hard time. Sidney - -----Original Message----- From: Lanney Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder I'm at a loss....what shoe box? Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Barry Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >Very good Lanney, I like your response and as Dennis would probably say your >size says something too. What was the story about the shoe box ???? > >Buck >__________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: Lanney Ratcliff >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:52 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder > > >As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy and >an international sugar trader. >Lanney >-----Original Message----- >From: Barry Conner >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder > > >>Paul & Dennis, >> >>When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them damn >>eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA. >> >>After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and Texas >>boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: "I >>rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from Calif. >or >>Texas". >> >>So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys. Good >>luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney. >> >>Buck >>___________________________________ >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Paul Jones >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >> >> >>>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. I am glad to have you as a friend as you are >>>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to how >>>Yankees turn out. One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Dennis Miles >>>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM >>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder >>> >>> >>>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans! >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Capt. >>>>, >>>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the cup a >>>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted >>>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember... >>>> >>>>Dennis >>>> >>>> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" >>>> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE >>>> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments >>>> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:56:12 -0800 (PST) From: DJLINDSEY@webtv.net (JEAN LINDSEY) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: trapping beaver in open water What little I know in thrity words or less!! Well it has been a number of years that these old bones have seen the cold water in hunt of the O' beaver. But I do rember that when we were trapping for muskrats in our slews the water would rise and fall feet during the nite with the tides we have here. So we learned from others to use floats to trap the changing waters. A float is a raft to hold the trap. And this float has to be strong enough to hold the weight of the animal your trapping, long enough to get his foot in the trap. Now since we are trying to trap a beaver, you would make this float so that the beaver could only climb onto it from one point. Of course this float can have any form of camoflause that you can think of. To make the set, it would be the same as setting a land set, so keep in mind that you are trying to get the front foot. What we used to drown them with, is that under the float was the weight, this was triped when the beaver slipped off the float, with the trap on his leg. And here in our country we had shallow water, so it was important for us to get the front leg, so the beaver would drown fast. With a whole lake, this is probably not a problem. I spose someone has told you about bustin a hole in the damb and setting a trap there, and getting him when he comes to repair it. Sometimes we have had to set our drown bags 20' away from the trap to find deep enough water. I don't know what type of drowner you're using on the wire, maybe you can reply off list, and we can talk more. Oh yes, there are some good books that talk about trapping on ice, but out here in Western Washington we don't usually get thick enough ice around here to worry about that. Hope this helps Crazy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:14:31 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping beaver in open water NM, Check out Jim Clyman's book, Journal of a Mountain Man. On page 7 it describes a formula for "beaver medicine". I've used this and it works good. Here's luck to ya in trappin' Allen Hall in Fort Hall country At 03:23 AM 1/11/99 EST, you wrote: >Another question on this subject: > >What's the recipe for "castorium" -- hope I spelled that right -- anyhow -- >recipe for "beaver bait". > >NM > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:47:20 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws The "Dictionary of Americanisms," publlished in 1859 defines "squaw" simply as an Indian women. It does say the word is derived from the Abenaki. This is a definition written pretty close to the time period. Winfred Blevins' "Dictionary of the American West," published in 1993, goes further. Blevins says the word started life as an Algonquin term meaning "wife," then became part of the normal lingo developed by Eastern Indians for purposes of trading and was carried west by frontiersmen. Blevins gives his source as linguist J.L. Dillard in "All-American English." According to Blevins, the Plains Indians saw it as a white man's word and found it objectionable. Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 Casapy123@aol.com wrote: > According to > Blevins, the Plains Indians saw it as a white man's word and found it > objectionable. The modern day Nez Perce and Couer D'Alene's (our local tribes), also find it objectionable, as I suspect most American Indians would. Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:30:52 +1300 From: "Duncan Macready" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws Buck wrote > >Again very interesting, the same as the term "nigger", as a bad name called >of the black race, with a little research you'll find these terms are later >than you would think. > >For example: the term for one that works long hours, in hard conditions, for >little to no pay and has no chance of making a better like was referred to >as "working like a nigger" (color had nothing to do with it in pre-colonial >dock locations), whether in Ireland, England, France or the New World, this >was the term used by many countries, when referring to the poor laborer in >controlled conditions. The Irish during the "Potato Wars" were referred to >as, poor as niggers (poor as those working in the worst of conditions like >coal miners, also referred to by this name). Boy are you wrong, "Nigger" is derived fron the Latin word for the color black "Nigrum" which wasn't the Latin word for a black man , which was "Aethiops",( as in Ethiopia) it is derogatory always was always will be. YMOS Cutfinger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:37:03 +1300 From: "Duncan Macready" Subject: MtMan-List: Re was Squaws now speech I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C Johnston ,and I wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others. I have never been to a Rendesvous in the USA , Do you guys also use period correct speech? as well as guns n gear . Just curious YMOS Cutfinger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re was Squaws now speech > I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C Johnston ,and I > wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It > certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others. > I have never been to a Rendesvous in the USA , Do you guys also use period > correct speech? as well as guns n gear . Hallo Duncan I can only speak for myself and my group. We try and use period "terms" during educational presentations, such as to schools or living history displays at historic sites/events. These are sometimes done in "first person", where you assume the identity of, say, a Northwest Company clerk of 1810. Some folks will affect accents of the character, but I would have a tough time as too many yall's slip in from my deep south upbringing. For me and mine, Rendezvous are for relaxing and blowing off steam, and that is our primary goal . Also.... many of the journals were written by educated men, the upper crust if you will, I suspect your novels reflect the "salt of the earth folks", people with little or no "larnin". Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:43:44 EST From: MIA3WOLVES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws Words can be used by anyone. I have heard people in "high places" refer to Black Americans as niggers. Just because a person has a station in mainstream society does not make his behavior or vocabulary necessarily dignified and respectful. The same goes for sqauw. I grew up near the Chippewa Reservation in Michigan. In that part of the country squaw is not something you call women i.e. it is not a term of respect or endearment. My personna is that of a Lakota WOMAN NOT A SQUAW!! Red Hawk MIA3wolves@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:15:53 EST From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaw I think that we all realize by now that there are any number of meanings hidden or otherwise to the term squaw. Even though in my part Native American mind it is not a derogatory term, just knowing it is offensive to someone I would not use it. Ghosting Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:29:32 EST From: TetonTod@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Trading Cheap Shots and Low Blows Here's a tongue in cheek suggestion, maybe you guys can use the above subject for tradin shots with each other. Then the rest of us will know better which ones to delete. Todd Glover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:33:06 EST From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws It appears to me that we are just getting into one of those dicussions on Political Corectness. Which is what this really boils down to. What the term means today and what it meant in our time frames of preference. Sorta like the use of the word "Nigger" which was supposed to have been highly used by the Mountain Men in reference to themselves. Yet in todays climate we must be carefull about the use of the word. Heck, I'll probably catch flack just for writing that on the list. Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:45:53 EST From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws In a message dated 1/12/99 7:49:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time, RR1LA@aol.com writes: << Pat, Thanks for that perspective. How about some input from the members of this list that are of NATIVE descent? >> Interesting you should say that. My wife is of Cherokee decent and when first choosing a "Screen Name" when we first got on-line, and having a sense of humor about herself, she chose the screen name "Chersquaw" You would not believe the flack she took in the form of nasty e-mail on almost a daily basis. Curious thing about it though was the flack almost 98% of the time came from politically correct "White Folk" and a majority that 10% from those who claimed to be "Indian" didn't claim to be of Cherokee, Lakota, Crow etc. they just claimed "I'm Indian". The Native Americans that she does know had a "Screw them" attitude about all of that and didn't seem to take much in the way of any offense. There were of course exceptions to that and there were some Native Americans that we know who were offended. My wife to this day doesn't understand why it is Ok for African Americans to refer to themselves or other African Americans as "Nigger" but not all right for her to refer to herself as Squaw. I tell her that it is one of those Political Correctness Mysteries that may never be understood. Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:45:50 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Keller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re was Squaws now speech Stop & think a minute, does your written discourse include all the slang that you add to your Spoken one. Most people say "TH" for "THE", but spell THE. I use a few slang words when I speak that I would have no idea how to spell, so would never write it down. - ---Duncan Macready wrote: > > I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C Johnston ,and I > wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It > certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others. > I have never been to a Rendesvous in the USA , Do you guys also use period > correct speech? as well as guns n gear . > Just curious > YMOS > Cutfinger > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:37:41 -0400 From: bspen@aye.net (Bob Spencer) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re was Squaws now speech >> I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C Johnston ,and I >> wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It >> certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others. >Also.... many of the journals were written by educated men, the upper >crust if you will, I suspect your novels reflect the "salt of the earth >folks", people with little or no "larnin". The idea that the mountain men spoke that way is certainly widespread, today. I'm like Cutfinger, I have never seen it in any of the several journals from that period which I have read, and have always figured it was the product of modern movies, TV and fiction. Is there any documentation at all that it reflects the actual useage? Bob Bob Spencer non illegitimi carborundum est ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #218 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.