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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:25:43 -0400
From: bspen@aye.net (Bob Spencer)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

>As to starting your char in a flint lock with out first plugging the touch
>hole, I think Gen. Bob lives a charmed life and would like to touch him some
>time to see if his good luck would rub off on me. I remain....

Naaaah, it's skill, not luck. <G> With careful attention to getting the
touch-hole covered with the charcloth, how is that different then plugging
it?

Bob

Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
non illegitimi carborundum est

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:06:40 -0500
From: "sean" <sean@peganet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Flint and Steel Fire

At the Alafia we just got home from, I FINALLY learned to make fire with
flint adn steel and char cloth... IT WAS GREAT!!!  I found I can make a
"birdsnest" from old rope bits and peices I had laying around...  Use it as
you would tow and go from there...

Addison Miller

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:22:49 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

Bob Spencer wrote:

> Naaaah, it's skill, not luck. <G> With careful attention to getting the
> touch-hole covered with the charcloth, how is that different then plugging
> it?

Gen. Bob,

As I said I will Look forward to shaking your hand some day in hopes that some of
that "skill" rubs off. <BG> I won't even attempt to explain to you how a piece of
glowing char next to a barrel full of black powder differs from some kind of
inert plug in the touch hole. <g> Best of luck to you my friend. I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:26:38 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

ThisOldFox@aol.com wrote:

> Something would rub off on you alright, but it wouldn't be luck.  However, you
> are so full of the substance already, you probably wouldn't notice. <G>
>
> Je remaine
> LeVieuxReynard

TOF,

Can't argue with your asessment of the situation. Wish you had used more <GGGG>'s
though. <BG> I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:29:26 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

Barry Conner wrote:

>  Low and
> behold it had a faint smell of a cleaner on it, turned out he was using
> "jute" for this demo and for his super fast flint & steel demo. Wonder what
> plant he got refined jute off of ?
>
> Buck,

Very interesting observation. Never heard of such a thing before. Was he trying
to sell his method? Or just showing off? I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:33:30 -0400
From: bspen@aye.net (Bob Spencer)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

>I won't even attempt to explain to you how a piece of
>glowing char next to a barrel full of black powder differs from some kind of
>inert plug in the touch hole. <g>

Oh, I didn't understand you were trying to build the fire *in* the pan.
Disregard previous instructions. <VBG>

Bob

Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
non illegitimi carborundum est

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:33:54 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

Bob Spencer wrote:

> >Something would rub off on you alright, but it wouldn't be luck.  However, you
> >are so full of the substance already, you probably wouldn't notice. <G>
> >
> >Je remaine
> >LeVieuxReynard
>
> One thing I've learned on these lists, never argue with an expert in the
> field. I defer to your experience, LePieuReynard. <G>
>
> Gen. Bob,

I do believe the frenchman has the range sir! Got us dead to rights! I recommend an
orderly withdrawal until first light sir. I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:38:01 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

Bob Spencer wrote:

> Oh, I didn't understand you were trying to build the fire *in* the pan.
> Disregard previous instructions. <VBG>
>
> Bob

Gen. Bob,

I have sir, most assuredly! <VVBG> I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
> Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
> non illegitimi carborundum est

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:42:55 -0800
From: "no@gpcom.net" <no@gpcom.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Nichols Bros.

?  for the List,, I have an old clever, its 13 and a 1/2 inchs 
long,handle is 5 1/2 long,the blade is 2 inchs wide,1/8 to 5/16, and the 
 tapers back to 1/8 incks thick. wood scales.  On the blade it has 
      Nichols Bros.
   Warranted Shear Steel
    Greenfield Mass           Would anyone have any information or be 
able to date this cleaver?     thank you  Frank Novotny
                                           no@gpcom.net

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:22:17 +1300
From: Duncan Macready <duncanm@connected.net.nz>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: Tinder

>
>
>Eldon L Ayers wrote:
>
>> "I have tried unspun flax a number of times when starting fires.  It is
>> probably one of the poorest bird's nest materials I have used"

I use dried sphagnum moss as a tinder .Its authentic and I can buy it by
the bag from the garden supplies store. It burns realy well when dried out,
It was also used as a daiper liner.
YMOS
Cutfinger

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:30:17 -0800
From: JW Stephens <johns@primarycolor.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Nichols Bros.

I believe that you have found the first known instance of the famous
"beaver cleaver," backbone of the castor trade for a few years. In use,
it was thrown like the tomahawk and got results because it mattered not
which way it hit the target. One summer it was obsoleted by the
emergence of a new variant, the "June cleaver."

"no@gpcom.net" wrote:
> 
> ?  for the List,, I have an old clever, its 13 and a 1/2 inchs
> long,handle is 5 1/2 long,the blade is 2 inchs wide,1/8 to 5/16, and the
>  tapers back to 1/8 incks thick. wood scales.  On the blade it has
>       Nichols Bros.
>    Warranted Shear Steel
>     Greenfield Mass           Would anyone have any information or be
> able to date this cleaver?     thank you  Frank Novotny
>                                            no@gpcom.net

- -- 

JW "LRay" Stephens
...
ICQ# 20564775   "mean people suck"

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:21:37 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

I've used unspun flax (tow) for bird (rat/mouse) nest and have had good
luck with it.  Usually I use rope/twine scraps.  I think the most
important thing is to make sure it's dry.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:34:49 -0600
From: "Mike Rock" <mikerock@mhtc.net>
Subject: [none]

I typed this in two weeks ago and it got lost.  Now that carpal tunnel is
gone will try again.

RE: PUNK
"The Man in the Ice" by Konrad Spindler
'Examination under the scanning microscope revealed a tangle of small fibre
parts which gave the impression of matted fibres, evidently of biogenic
origin.  It seems that the main portion of the black mass consists of the
middle layer, the 'trama', of a tree fungus, the 'true tinder' fungus (Fomes
fomentarius).  In a few places relatively fine particles were also
identified, which, with darkfield illumination under the stereomicroscope,
clearly exhibited crystalline structures of brassy to gold-coloured
brilliance.  The chemical nature of these crystals was established by X-ray
fluorescence
spectroscopy which showed sulphur and iron to be the main constituents.
This proved that the minute crystals were pyrites.
It seems reasonable to suppose that the Iceman carried a firelighter in his
belt pouch.  From the tinder-fungus growing as a parasite on trees a readily
ignitable tinder used to be prepared in the old days by cutting the soft
fungal mass into slices, hammering it vigorously, steeping it in nitre
(potassium or sodium nitrate) and letting it dry.  To make fire a lump of
pyrites was struck against flint; the shower of sparks was caught by the
tinder fungus and by careful blowing made to glow.  In historical times
pyrites was replaced by steel.  Although there was no pyrites in the belt
pouch, the striking traces in the form of minute pyrites crystals on the
tinder show that the Iceman occasionally carried pyrites with him in his
little pouch.
Studies of Neolithic firelighters from grave finds have shown that these may
consist of as many as six items in varying numbers and combinations.  A
complete set of firelighting equipment consists of:  a piece of pyrites; a
flint core; one or two flint blades; a bone implement; a shell; and the
tinder.  Firelighters or parts of them, have so far been found exclusively
in the graves of males- a factor which tallies with the Hauslabojch find.
Moreover, each firelighter surely had a  container, a bag, a pouch, or a
case.  In graves, however, these containers did not survive, presumably
because they were made of organic material, such as fur, leather, tree bark,
bast or textile, and so decayed in mineral soils.  The belt pouch of the
Iceman is the only known prehistoric example of a firelighter container. The
fact that the firelighting utensils were originally kept in a bag or similar
case can be deduced from the fact that in grave finds the items are
invariably lying very close and tidily together.  Not infrequently their
containers also held other implements, tools or replacement materials which
had nothing to do with firelighting.Experimental archeology has made
remarkable strides in the reconstruction and assessment of the probable use
of prehistoric firelighters.  The Kiel prehistorian Norbet Nieszery began
with a six-part firelighting kit, not counting the case.  Although a variety
of natural substances can be used as tinder, the best is still the true
tinder fungus, although only the fruiting part (trama) between its outer
crust and lower tubular layer is suitable.  This must therefore be cut out
of the fungus, which usually grows on diseases or dead beech, or more
rarely, BIRCH. Hence Neolithic firelighting kits include implements with
cutting edges, such as flint blades or tools.  The well dried tinder
material is then ground until it acquires a fibrous, cotton wool like
consistency.  The resulting enlargement of its surface greatly enhances its
glowing capacity.  To protect it from damp it is advisable to collect the
tinder in a little dry bowl - which is evidently  what the mollusc shells
were for.;;;;;;;;;;;;

As soon as a spark has caught in the tinder the glow can be magnified by
careful blowing.  With other easily glowing or flammable materials- Nieszery
recommends washed and dried reed-mace wool, hammered willow bast, mosses,
down feathers, thistle-down, bullrush or juniper pith, as well as hay and
small twigs- it is possible, with an appropriate supply of oxygen, to make
the glowing materials flare up.  The material, now blazing like a torch, is
finally brought to the prepared spot.
This certainly reliable but rather cumbersome prehistoric procedure for
making fire explains why the Iceman had an embercarrier with him.  His
firelighter represented an additional safety measure in case his embers were
extinguished.'

Now, on page 115 we come on this interesting tidbit. ' The two objects from
the Hauslabojch had been cut from the fruiting body of the birch fungus.
This result came as a surprise to us, as we had assumed it to be tinder.
The Birch fungus, in fact , is most unsuitable for this purpose as its
tissue is not highly flammable.  The solution to this riddle had to be
sought elsewhere.'  'note that these two objects were strung, like beads, on
a cord'  These were carried on his left wrist'       ( Not a really handy
spot for a firelighter.  -Mike)

It is well known that the birch fungus contains, among other things, an
antibiotic substance, polyporic acid C.  this is highly active against some
types of mycobacterium, including the tuberculosis agent.  As long ago as
the first century AD the Greek physician Dioscurides recommended tree fungi
as an astonishingly effective medication."

My wrists hurt.

This book has quite good photos of the Iceman's goodies.  My favorites are
the slipper/socks and the knife sheath.  His cloak is interesting as is the
ax.  Being a metallurgical engineer, that ax has special significance to me.
Kinda screwed up our timeline a bit.

Hope I didn't bore anyone.  73

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:49:57 -0600
From: "Steve Janowiak" <janowiak@ayres-eau.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: First Flint and Steel Fire

I use a flint and steel to start my barbeque.  This always keeps me in
practice.  Also learned that the right charcloth is critical.  Not sure it
that was brought up on this thread - I'm a newbie.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of sean
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 12:07 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Flint and Steel Fire


At the Alafia we just got home from, I FINALLY learned to make fire with
flint adn steel and char cloth... IT WAS GREAT!!!  I found I can make a
"birdsnest" from old rope bits and peices I had laying around...  Use it as
you would tow and go from there...

Addison Miller

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:56:45 -0600
From: "Steve Janowiak" <janowiak@ayres-eau.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Plains Pistol - Authenticity Question

I have a Lyman Plains Pistol.  I am curious how "correct" the forend cap on
it is.  It just has a flat end cap that covers the ramrod entry, like the
T/C Hawken endcap.  I the only guns I've seen this type of end cap on is T/C
and its look-a-likes.  I was thinking of changing it to the better looking
endcap and thimble set up that the Great Plains Rifle has.  Does anyone know
if this type of endcap has any historical value?

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:01:11 -0600
From: "Steve Janowiak" <janowiak@ayres-eau.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Need advice on flintlocks

I think I'm familiar enough with muzzleloading to make the "upgrade" to a
flintlock.  I've seen the Kentuckian in Dixie Gun Works for under $300.
It's made by Armi-Sport, does anyone have any thoughts on this particular
gun or maker.  If that's not a worhtwhile choice I'm looking at the Dixie
"Cub".   The Cub is made by Pedersoli which I've heard good things about but
also heard that they're priced more than they're worth.  Any comments on
Pedersoli would be appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:13:25 -0600
From: "Steve Janowiak" <janowiak@ayres-eau.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: RE: Tinder

I still use charcloth (not sure how "correct" it is) to catch the spark.
But for tinder, if I can't find anything naturally occuring, I carry a few
small pieces of dry charcoal from the last campfire.  Sandwich the charcloth
between the pieces of charCOAL and blow.  The glow will transfer to the
charcoal and can generate enough heat to produce a flame, given enough
oxygen.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duncan Macready
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 1:22 AM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: Tinder



>
>
>Eldon L Ayers wrote:
>
>> "I have tried unspun flax a number of times when starting fires.  It is
>> probably one of the poorest bird's nest materials I have used"

I use dried sphagnum moss as a tinder .Its authentic and I can buy it by
the bag from the garden supplies store. It burns realy well when dried out,
It was also used as a daiper liner.
YMOS
Cutfinger

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:46:52 -0700 (MST)
From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: MtMan-List: Seeking Advice On Rifle Builder

I am hoping to get a period correct Flintlock Rifle built, and have seen the wor
ks of only a few maker as I am not fortunate to be an East Coast person where the
ir appears to be many more gun makes fairs, than out west we we are residing.

I have catalog's from JP. GunStock of Las Vegas, TVM, and have visited the Web-si
tes of both Jackie Brown, G.L. Jones, Al edge, and Jim Chambers.

I have even consider getting a CompletedRifle Kit in the "White" and doing some o
f the finishing myself.

I am hoping to get something like A Pennsylvania School or Southern Mountain Rifl
e Style in a Flintlock.  Hope someone might see this message, and point me in oth
er direction unless I have exhausted my options.

Thanks, 

B

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:00:57 -0600
From: "Steve Janowiak" <janowiak@ayres-eau.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Seeking Advice On Rifle Builder

What's wrong with the rifle builders you've checked out so far?

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of BRUCE S. DE LIS
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 1:47 PM
To: hist_text@xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Seeking Advice On Rifle Builder




I am hoping to get a period correct Flintlock Rifle built, and have seen the
wor
ks of only a few maker as I am not fortunate to be an East Coast person
where the
ir appears to be many more gun makes fairs, than out west we we are
residing.

I have catalog's from JP. GunStock of Las Vegas, TVM, and have visited the
Web-si
tes of both Jackie Brown, G.L. Jones, Al edge, and Jim Chambers.

I have even consider getting a CompletedRifle Kit in the "White" and doing
some o
f the finishing myself.

I am hoping to get something like A Pennsylvania School or Southern Mountain
Rifl
e Style in a Flintlock.  Hope someone might see this message, and point me
in oth
er direction unless I have exhausted my options.

Thanks,

B

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:27:55 -0700
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: fungus

Over the past few weeks, folks have mentioned using a tree fungus. I would
like to have some and would buy or trade for some.
thanks
Joe

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:18:50 -0600
From: John Dearing <jdearing@mail.theriver.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: tinder

>
>
> >Another way to use your flintlock for fire starting is to put 10 grains or
> >so of powder down the empty barrel, then ram down a good sized piece of
> >char cloth. Fire the gun straight up, and a piece of glowing char will come
> >floating down. Works, but I see no reason to do it, since putting the char
> >into the pan works so well.
>

Don't waste your char by putting it into the barrel, I use this same method with a
piece of cotton, or linen fabric placed in the bore so that the edges of the fabric
are in contact with the powder, cotton works best.  Works as well as char, and the
fabric can still be slightly damp and it will still work.  Never thought about using
this method to dry and light damp char at the same time...Until now, that is. ;-)

It might work better to put a few grains of powder into the pan on top of the char
to dry/light char too damp to catch a spark with flint and steel.

BTW, I have had good luck lighting dead grass that has been water soaked by shaking
off the excess moisture, placing a loose birds nest on a piece of leather, and sprinkling
powder over the nest. Some powder will filter down onto the leather, that's good.
Strike the flint in a sweeping motion that will get your hands out of the way when the
powder flares, and the dead, now dry grass will burst into flame.

Take care to keep all of your body parts back away from the flash of powder, or
you might earn the moniker "Fire face".   ;-)

Your Servant
J.D.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:02:18 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

Cheating the others in a fire building contest that stated "natural tinder".
_________________
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax


>
>
>Barry Conner wrote:
>
>>  Low and
>> behold it had a faint smell of a cleaner on it, turned out he was using
>> "jute" for this demo and for his super fast flint & steel demo. Wonder
what
>> plant he got refined jute off of ?
>>
>> Buck,
>
>Very interesting observation. Never heard of such a thing before. Was he
trying
>to sell his method? Or just showing off? I remain.....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:26:13 -0600
From: Jerry Williams <jwlms@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Flint and Steel Fire

Steve Janowiak wrote:

> I use a flint and steel to start my barbeque.  This always keeps me in
>
> practice.  Also learned that the right charcloth is critical.  Not
> sure it
> that was brought up on this thread - I'm a newbie.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of sean
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 12:07 AM
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Flint and Steel Fire
>
> At the Alafia we just got home from, I FINALLY learned to make fire
> with
> flint adn steel and char cloth... IT WAS GREAT!!!  I found I can make
> a
> "birdsnest" from old rope bits and peices I had laying around...  Use
> it as
> you would tow and go from there...
>
> Addison Miller

   The best Char I have ever found was 100% cotton flannel that I found
when buying gun cleaning patches. The best tinder that I have found is
jute. It comes apart and makes a good birdsnest and catches quicker than
anything else I have found.

Jerry Williams

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:37:23 -0800
From: "The Windhams" <windham@jps.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need advice on flintlocks

Steve,
Save the money,  buythe parts from track of the wolf and build your own !
or find some one to build it for you, you'll be much happier. and your not
a marksmen until you do it with a flinter......I know that will get it
going !

Rick windham
http://www.ptw.com/~lattanze/home/blackhawk.html
- ----------
> From: Steve Janowiak <janowiak@ayres-eau.com>
> To: hist_text@xmission.com
> Subject: MtMan-List: Need advice on flintlocks
> Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:01 AM
> 
> I think I'm familiar enough with muzzleloading to make the "upgrade" to a
> flintlock.  I've seen the Kentuckian in Dixie Gun Works for under $300.
> It's made by Armi-Sport, does anyone have any thoughts on this particular
> gun or maker.  If that's not a worhtwhile choice I'm looking at the Dixie
> "Cub".   The Cub is made by Pedersoli which I've heard good things about
but
> also heard that they're priced more than they're worth.  Any comments on
> Pedersoli would be appreciated.
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:52:39 -0700 
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:11 -0800

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Mike,

Great treatise in "primitive" fire making.  Thanks for your efforts.  =
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:07:14 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

Barry Conner wrote:

> Cheating the others in a fire building contest that stated "natural tinder".

Barry,

A sad commentary on our times. Really sad. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:00:33 EST
From: Grantd9@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Seeking Advice On Rifle Builder

I have handled guns by TVM, J.P Gunstocks, and G.L. Jones.  I think you get
what you pay for in each one.  TVM and J.P. Gunstocks can be had for $500 -
$700.  The wood to metal fit isn't the greatest, but I hear they are good
shooters.  Jack Garner at TVM is a great guy.  G.L. Jones can be had for $800+
depending on options and his fit and finish are great.  I don't know about the
shootability, but he is the maker I am seriously considering at the moment.
Had a good talk with him the other day, he is a nice fellow.

Grant aka Burned Belly

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:20:01 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <sidney@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need advice on flintlocks

Amen Rick,

If you can hit something with a flintlock, you can durn sure shoot.

Sidney


Steve,

Save the money,  buy the parts from Track of the Wolf and build your own !
Or find some one to build it for you.  You'll be much happier. You're not a
marksman until you do it with a flinter......  I know that will get it going
!

>Rick windham
>http://www.ptw.com/~lattanze/home/blackhawk.html

I think I'm familiar enough with muzzleloading to make the "upgrade" to a
flintlock.  I've seen the Kentuckian in Dixie Gun Works for under  $300.
It's made by Armi-Sport, does anyone have any thoughts on this particular
gun or maker.  If that's not a worhtwhile choice I'm  looking at the Dixie
"Cub".   The Cub is made by Pedersoli which I've heard good things about but
also heard that they're priced more than they're worth.  Any comments on
Pedersoli would be appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:12 EST
From: Pulakabayo@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Hello the list

After an absence quite a bit longer than I anticipated, things have finally
settled down enough for me to resubscribe.

About six months ago I was on the list, and was asking questions about gear
and weapons of the Indian Scouts up to and during the Revolutionary War. I
received some good information, but unfortunately while I was deployed my C:
drive was corrupted and by boys were kind enough to reformat my drive and
reinstall windows.

I would be most grateful for any information you could resend me on it,
especially regarding Western Virginia (now West Virginia). I would also
appreciate any information regarding the Longhunter school I had heard was
being held here in the East.

Any help, on or off list, would be deeply appreciated.

Sincerely,
Jim

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:51:10 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

This sorry practice has gotten so bad that when I run a fire starting =
contest I supply char and a variety of tinder.  Contestants are only =
allowed to use their own fint and steel...or lens, etc.  Ticks some of =
'em off something fierce.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax


>
>
>Barry Conner wrote:
>
>> Cheating the others in a fire building contest that stated "natural =
tinder".
>
>Barry,
>
>A sad commentary on our times. Really sad. I remain......
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:37:01 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello the list

In a message dated 99-01-25 22:24:15 EST, you write:

> About six months ago I was on the list, and was asking questions about gear
>  and weapons of the Indian Scouts up to and during the Revolutionary War. I
>  received some good information
>  SNIP
>  I would be most grateful for any information you could resend me on it,
>  especially regarding Western Virginia (now West Virginia). I would also
>  appreciate any information regarding the Longhunter school I had heard was
>  being held here in the East.

Jim,
I think it would serve you well to join the Rev War list, since they are in
your particular time period.  The questions you are asking are almost ancient
history to the Mountain Men.  Perhaps someone on the list could give you
instructions on how to subscribe there.  They are more attuned to your
specific needs.

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