From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #240 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, February 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 240 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:15:30 -0700 From: David A Miller Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #239 (Tin ware) You could check with Jack Powers at "Deer Creek Tinshop" in Utah number is 801-654-2626. He does some great work, and I have had no problems with what he has done. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:30:27 -0800 From: terry l landis Subject: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession. drop front breeches, onasburg shirt covering my hand made linen shirt, new rifle and a flinter at that,and a pair of hand sewn side seam elk skin mocc's ! whew , that's a mouth full ! to make a long story short. i enjoyed myself completely. i also learned a few good lessons, the most important first 1. always check and adjust double set triggers before going on the range. i don't set it till i have it pointed in the direction of my shot , but it was a surprise none the less. 2. soft sole mocc's and large gravel don't mix 3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a soppin. YMHS, Terry L Landis ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:35:05 -0800 From: terry l landis Subject: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's? i have several books but none seem to give a specific kind of materiel to use. also what is parfleche? any good books or ideas would be greatly appreciated. YMHS, Terry L Landis ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:04:06 -0800 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's A parfletch is a container made from rawhide. They can be almost any shape, the most common being much like a large folded envelope. In the southwest, heavy rawhide was also used for moccasin sloes, though I don't particularly care for it as it loses its shape and gets slick when wet. Stargazer - -----Original Message----- From: terry l landis To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:38 PM Subject: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's >what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's? i >have several books but none seem to give a specific kind of materiel to >use. also what is parfleche? >any good books or ideas would be greatly appreciated. >YMHS, Terry L Landis > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:11:06 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody have any idea how to make the stuff ? Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:10:10 -0800 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde Terry, I'm glad that you enjoyed most things about your first doins. It just keeps getting better and better. Being female, I wouldn't know about the dropfronts, but I can imagine it takes a while to undo all those buttons. As for the mocs, it helps to put a piece of harder, thick leather, about like you'd make a belt from, inside then like an insole. For added comfort, a layer of sheepskin with the fur on is nice. Take care, Stargazer - -----Original Message----- From: terry l landis To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde >well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession. >drop front breeches, onasburg shirt covering my hand made linen shirt, >new rifle and a flinter at that,and a pair of hand sewn side seam elk >skin mocc's ! whew , that's a mouth full ! > to make a long story short. i enjoyed myself completely. i also learned >a few good lessons, the most important first >1. always check and adjust double set triggers before going on the range. >i don't set it till i have it pointed in the direction of my shot , but >it was a surprise none the less. >2. soft sole mocc's and large gravel don't mix >3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front >britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a >soppin. >YMHS, Terry L Landis > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:15:31 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde terry l landis wrote: > well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession. > > 3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front > britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a > soppin. > YMHS, Terry L Landis Terry, You care to elaborate a bit on #3 above? Sounds like the makings of a Mountain Name. I remain....... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:21:06 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's terry l landis wrote: > what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's? Terry, That is a hard question to answer as you have found out. Raw Hide works as has been pointed out but in your country it will be so much slime in about 10 minutes. Although there may not be any clear historical documentation for it, I recommend the use of any bark or oil tanned leather as a good start to making mocs that will deal with sharp ground. The plains moc may have had extra soles but probably of just more layers of brain tan. That is an option but it will only help so much and then you just have to get your feet in shape. I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:25:42 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER larry pendleton wrote: > Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who > aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He > may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody > have any idea how to make the stuff ? > Pendleton Pendelton, You called it when you said he may be half a bubble off. Several bricks shy of a full load, is a good one. Doesn't have both oars in the water, is another one. Yea, I know how to make it but the process of making Black Powder is really too dangerous and results in less than a satisfactory product to be worth the danger and effort. So I ain't gona tell. I remain....... Otherwise- YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:44:44 -0800 From: Laurel huber Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware Dear Joe, I doubt that any trapper or Fur Brigade brought a coffee POT along with 'em. I'm referring to a flared bottomed, pitcher-shaped boiler with a lid, handle and bail. Like the kind cowboys use in all those movies. It was just too specific an item to pack along. Coffee and tea kettles shaped like that did exist but stayed in the settlements indoors. A coffee kettle(a tea kettle boils water, a tea pot brews tea in water)in the mountains would have been a straight-sided can-shape with a bail. It could be used for coffee, tea, water, stew, or soup. There are nice sketches of them by Miller in his works: "Indians Encamped on the Eau Sucre River" and "Our Camp". If you buy one by catalog from Jarnigin, it's called an "1820 Period Coffee Pot" and is copied from a dig from a 6th US Infantry camp dated 1820. Made of heavy tin. Works good for coffee and whatever. Larry "Shoots-the-Prairie" Huber TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote: > Since they didn't have enamel ware and coffee and tea were drank. What did > they use for coffee pots? I have seen copper tea pots, but what about coffee > pots? > > TrapRJoe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:56:34 -0800 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: MtMan-List: SALT PETER I recall this topic being covered in a Foxfire volume (possible Vol 5???). The hard part is making the saltpeter, although the sulfur and fine-grain charcoal are non trivial problems as well. The historic process involved digging up and leaching the nitrates which form at the bottom of dung piles (other sources include the guano in bat caves). The mixing, milling, corning etc of powder is no doubt dangerous as noted previously. Foxfire reported that their process yielded a somewhat weak and sooty powder - I guess it's quite an accomplishment if it worked at all, and one can see why the French and English stuff was preferred over locally made product in colonial times. I remember the leaching system was at least as complicated as setting up one of those sluice troughs gold panners use to screen their their diggings. Pat Quilter - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton [mailto:yrrw@cyberramp.net] Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 7:11 PM To: mountain lists Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody have any idea how to make the stuff ? Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:10:18 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Larry, If your friend is "DEAD" set on making his own powder, see if you can have his good stuff first, and get it in WRITING.... Dennis "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - - >-----Original Message----- >From: larry pendleton [mailto:yrrw@cyberramp.net] >Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 7:11 PM >To: mountain lists >Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER > > >Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who >aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He >may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody >have any idea how to make the stuff ? >Pendleton > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:45:22 -0500 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde heh... Soppin Landis... yeppers... it do sorta have a ring to it... - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Lahti To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde > > >terry l landis wrote: > >> well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession. >> >> 3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front >> britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a >> soppin. >> YMHS, Terry L Landis > >Terry, >You care to elaborate a bit on #3 above? Sounds like the makings of a >Mountain Name. I remain....... > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > >> > >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:53:43 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Roger Lahti wrote: > > larry pendleton wrote: > > > Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who > > aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He > > may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody > > have any idea how to make the stuff ? > > Pendleton > > Pendelton, > > You called it when you said he may be half a bubble off. Several bricks shy of > a full load, is a good one. Doesn't have both oars in the water, is another > one. Yea, I know how to make it but the process of making Black Powder is > really too dangerous and results in less than a satisfactory product to be > worth the danger and effort. So I ain't gona tell. I remain....... Neither will I. It's just too dangerous to consider. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:45:39 -0600 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's Washtahay- At 06:35 PM 2/15/99 -0800, Yellow Mocs wrote: >what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's? i >have several books but none seem to give a specific kind of materiel to >use. also what is parfleche? Well, parfleche is rawhide. For moc soles, buff rawhide works best. Works great on the plains, most of the time. If it rains, they get slick. So do all other mocs, so I can't see any difference. I usually make regular plains-style one piece or two-piece mocs, then sew soles of buff rawhide on the outside. Its a pain to make, but I don't worry about cactus. Such mocs were used by various tribes in the early 1800s. I'd recommend against the use of oil-tanned leather for soles-they are slick ALL the time, and they don't last as long as some other leathers, such as oak tan. YMMV, of course. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:30:31 EST From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's In a message dated 99-02-15 21:39:10 EST, you write: << also what is parfleche? >> Parfleche = rawhide. Aslo sometimes refered to as "parchment" (Lewis & Clark journals). As previously stated, containers made of rawhide were also called parfleche. NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:52:10 -0700 (MST) From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS) Subject: MtMan-List: Austin & Halleck Does anyone know about a company called Austin & Halleck in the Rifle Business? B - -- "The Price Of Freedom Is Not Free" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:55:45 -0700 (MST) From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS) Subject: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blast January 1998 Anyone who has a copy of this Issue and would be will to part with it for a few day, or copy something out of it for me please contact me off list. Thanks, B - -- "The Price Of Freedom Is Not Free" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:02:55 -0500 From: "Mill, Kirk" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: SALT PETER > Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER > > Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who > aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. > He > may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody > have any idea how to make the stuff ? > Pendleton [Mill, Kirk] One of the Foxfire books has fairly detailed instructions on making salt petre. It looks pretty time consuming and of course the consensus of the list is homemade BP is a recipe for disaster. If your buddy is so intent on making powder from scratch, where does intend to find the sulphur? Does he have a volcano in his back yard? Kirk Mill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:04:38 -0700 (MST) From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS) Subject: MtMan-List: Powder Horn Care & Cracking Prevention I recently read a discussion of how to repair a crack in a Powder Horn. I do no t know how the horn got it 's crack or if the crack could have been prevented. B ut when the horn was attached to it original owner it was alive, and being consta ntly supplied with Blood, etc. Than it was transformed into a Powder Horn, many of which are real works of art, cost hundred of dollars. Is there something that you can treat the outside surface of Powder Horns with that will keep them shinn y looking, and prevent this boney material from drying out and cracking. Any secret you posses would be appreciated, B - -- "The Price Of Freedom Is Not Free" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:17:16 -0600 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Responses to my (Henry's)post Yes, we all know that, TV notwithstanding. Good historians do not use fictionalized TV and cinematic drama as a basis for scholarly conclusions. If we did, we would not know that there were also very many trappers and traders African descent, like myself (I'm also 1/16 Cherokee on my father's side) HBC > Many Indians trapped also. Not just the whites. The whites may have >exploited that, but the facts are they trapped, and hunted for furs also. I >have spent a lot of time researching the history of native Americans >(particularly plains). They were just as profit minded as the rest. I >beleive that Indians (as well as the trappers) used more of the animals >they killed and waisted less out of necessity for life. I think a lot of >this misconseption is T.V. related. I hope I don't offend anyone with this >note but research this and you will come to the same conclusion. > >"Dull Hawk" > **************************************** Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because It's There ****** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:22:35 -0600 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men on History Channel >Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:16:26 -0500 >From: greg n bosen >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men on History Channel > >do you happen to know the time the the showing??? > >greg b I'm sure it would be prime time, and repeated later in the evening. I'll call Brian and ask. HBC **************************************** Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because It's There ****** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:43:59 -0500 From: "Mill, Kirk" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blast January 1998 > Anyone who has a copy of this Issue and would be will to part with it for > a few > day, or copy something out of it for me please contact me off list. > > Thanks, > > B [Mill, Kirk] Got the copy right here. Where do you want me to send it? Kirk Mill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:40:35 -0600 From: Don Neighbors Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER You can buy sulpher at a drug store. I have made my own for a school project. It doesnot work very well. Black powder today is mix in a solution. This allows everything to mix together better. It is also against the law. A.T.F. has very tight rules. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:17:40 -0800 From: Tom Roberts Subject: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? Probably a dumb question, but since reproduction barrels use modern metallurgy, and since BP residue is so corrosive, hasn't anyone considered using a barrel liner of some non-corroding alloy? Certainly it would add to the price (difficult to machine) and to the weight (maybe 1 lb) but the advantage may make it worthwhile. There are high strength alloys which are also highly corrosion resistant (and also rather expensive) that could insure a lifetime barrel with greatly reduced maintenance requirements. I'm going to duck now and enjoy the barrage from a safe vantage point. Tom. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:13:04 EST From: TetonTod@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? Tom, Probably the first salvo you are going to get will be over the authenticity issue. Sure there are modern ways to improve on almost every aspect of our clothing and equipment, but that's not the point. If we did we'd all look like Cabela's supplied duck hunters. happy trails Todd Glover ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:26:42 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? In a message dated 99-02-16 17:07:01 EST, you write: > Probably a dumb question There are no dumb questions; only dumb people who ask them. > since reproduction barrels use modern > metallurgy, and since BP residue is so corrosive, hasn't anyone > considered using a barrel liner of some non-corroding alloy? Barrel liners are available. They cost more than a new barrel, plus the added cost of having them installed. What's the point? Unless trying to salvage an old unreplaceable original, they serve no useful purpose. > There are high > strength alloys which are also highly corrosion resistant (and also > rather expensive) that could insure a lifetime barrel with greatly > reduced maintenance requirements. Lifetime barrels are, and always have been, available. They are on the guns of people who practice routine maintenance. Contrary to your statement about BP being so corrosive, it is only so in the guns of those who practice greatly reduced maintenance. For a discussion of those people, kindly refer to part 2 of statement 1 in reply to your first question. > I'm going to duck now and enjoy the barrage from a safe vantage point. Thank you for the invitation for a little target practice. OldFox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:03:25 -0600 From: "stitchinscot" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Responses to my (Henry's)post Could you document the trappers and traders of African decent for me please. It would be interesting to know. Thank you in advance: Long John - -----Original Message----- From: Henry B. Crawford To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:27 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Responses to my (Henry's)post > >Yes, we all know that, TV notwithstanding. Good historians do not use >fictionalized TV and cinematic drama as a basis for scholarly conclusions. >If we did, we would not know that there were also very many trappers and >traders African descent, like myself (I'm also 1/16 Cherokee on my father's >side) > >HBC > > >> Many Indians trapped also. Not just the whites. The whites may have >>exploited that, but the facts are they trapped, and hunted for furs also. I >>have spent a lot of time researching the history of native Americans >>(particularly plains). They were just as profit minded as the rest. I >>beleive that Indians (as well as the trappers) used more of the animals >>they killed and waisted less out of necessity for life. I think a lot of >>this misconseption is T.V. related. I hope I don't offend anyone with this >>note but research this and you will come to the same conclusion. >> >>"Dull Hawk" >> > >**************************************** >Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 >Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University >mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 >806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 > Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum >****** Living History . . . Because It's There ****** > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:09:09 -0600 From: "stitchinscot" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Powder Horn Care & Cracking Prevention Bruce: Repairing a horn (other than the rawhide leather wraps that I've seen on some originals) is out of my league but if you want to protect and polish up a horn, then just good old handrubbed bees wax is the ticket. I have heard of some old timers using wet black powder on the outside (rubbed in) to repell bugs, but that sounds a little strange to me nor have I tried it. Y. obnt S Long John - -----Original Message----- From: BRUCE S. DE LIS To: hist_text@xmission.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:16 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Powder Horn Care & Cracking Prevention > > >I recently read a discussion of how to repair a crack in a Powder Horn. I do no >t know how the horn got it 's crack or if the crack could have been prevented. B >ut when the horn was attached to it original owner it was alive, and being consta >ntly supplied with Blood, etc. Than it was transformed into a Powder Horn, many >of which are real works of art, cost hundred of dollars. Is there something that > you can treat the outside surface of Powder Horns with that will keep them shinn >y looking, and prevent this boney material from drying out and cracking. > >Any secret you posses would be appreciated, > >B > >-- >"The Price Of Freedom > Is Not Free" > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:14:33 -0800 From: terry l landis Subject: MtMan-List: soppin Landis? well there wernt no soppin goin on but there were a frightful few moments of hopin and pullin and tugin after 2 hrs in the car and several Pepsi's. YMHS, Terry L Landis ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:38:19 -0600 From: MacRaith@mail.swbell.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Larry, Foxfire 5 has a section on the leaching of saltpeter from bat guano. It is fairly indepth as it includes photographs of all devices used for leaching. ISBN 0-385-14308-7 pg. 253 Bill Vannoy larry pendleton wrote: > Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who > aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He > may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody > have any idea how to make the stuff ? > Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:38:19 -0600 From: MacRaith@mail.swbell.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER Larry, Foxfire 5 has a section on the leaching of saltpeter from bat guano. It is fairly indepth as it includes photographs of all devices used for leaching. ISBN 0-385-14308-7 pg. 253 Bill Vannoy larry pendleton wrote: > Ok boys and girls. How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who > aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He > may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question. Does anybody > have any idea how to make the stuff ? > Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:53:43 -0800 From: Tom Roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner? Fair question. I am highly supportive of authenticity wherever it makes sense (usually always). I suspect that the barrel of whatever you are shooting was not manufactured using the materials or techniques that would have been common practice in 1800, primarily for reasons of safety. In fact, I suspect that extremely few shooters even know the alloy of their barrels. I do not pretend to be metallurgically knowledgeable but I expect that using a more corrosion resistant alloy would not degrade our authenticity one bit. The only problem I forsee, would be the inability to brown a barrel, if that was the desired finish, if the whole barrel was corrosion resistant alloy and not just lined - thus, the liner concept. I knew this could be controversial, thanks for only using a small charge! Tom TetonTod@aol.com wrote: > Tom, > > Probably the first salvo you are going to get will be over the authenticity > issue. > Sure there are modern ways to improve on almost every aspect of our clothing > and equipment, but that's not the point. If we did we'd all look like Cabela's > supplied duck hunters. > > happy trails > > Todd Glover ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:46:15 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: soppin Landis? terry l landis wrote: > well there wernt no soppin goin on but there were a frightful few moments > of hopin and pullin and tugin after 2 hrs in the car and several Pepsi's. > > YMHS, Terry L Landis Terry, Well that helps a little but what are we talking here? What sounds more appropriate, "Groaper Landis" or "Short stroke Landis"? What I always found frustrating was Winter time when it was real cold and a guy's dressed warm. He finds he has 3 inches of cloths on and only 2 inches of reach! Perhaps this is a design flaw in the drop fronts? Perhaps we should dub you "Handful"? or "Dances with...."? I remain....... YMOS CApt. Lahti' > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #240 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.