From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #249 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, March 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 249 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:34:47 EST From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: recipes To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY KIDDING!!!!!! But seriously, was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) and all of the meals were based around parched corn. Can anyone tell me how to parch corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along. Thanks, y'all Wade ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:59:35 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas It IS good advice to watch where you put your hands (or anything else) = becaues in addition to stinging, sticking and stinking some of the = varmits down here bite, too. Y'all come. Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: WSmith4100@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:38 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas >I once read in some book or the other, "that everything in Texas, = either >stings, sticks or stinks." Hmmmm? > >Lil griz > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:22:18 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes Some folks use a skillet and grease, but you can just buy Korn Nuts at = 7-11 if that will suit you. Traditionally dry corn was cooked by = throwing kernels in hot ashes for a while.=20 I use a sheet cake pan ( a glorified cookie sheet, if you ask me) and = place a single layer of dried corn kernals in it and place it in a 350 = degree oven. After a few minutes you will hear the corn "popping". The = corn doesn't make popcorn, rather it "snaps and cracks" and will turn a = light brown color. Remove from the oven and cool. The corn can be = eaten as is and will store pretty much eternally. Or the corn can be = crushed to powder (a blender or food processor works well for this, or = use a metate or a mortar & pestal) to make pinole, also known as = rockahominy and other names. A small handful consumed with the help of = a big drink of water or eating a large pellet made by mixing a handful = of pinole with a little water will stick to your ribs better than you = can imagine. Some folks season or flavor the pinole with salt or sugar = and, sometimes, cinnamon. Suit yourself here, but remember that salt = tends to draw moisture. Buy your corn from a health food store or a VERY well stocked grocery = store. Feed store corn might have additives that you may not want to = eat and seed corn will almost certainly have some additives, including = pesticides and fungicides and=20 God knows what other "cides". The health food store will possibly have = blue corn or "Indian" corn. Even better. Remember this, plain pinole is bland to the highest degree. It can be = counted on to feed you but it is best relegated to "iron ration" status. = A steady diet of the stuff will soon have you eating tree bark. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: WSmith4100@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:51 PM Subject: MtMan-List: recipes >To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY >KIDDING!!!!!! > =20 >But seriously, was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) = and all >of the meals were based around parched corn. Can anyone tell me how to = parch >corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along. =20 >Thanks, y'all >Wade=20 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:43:38 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas I have you know I resemble that ! ! ! Pendleton - ---------- > From: WSmith4100@aol.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:22 PM > > I once read in some book or the other, "that everything in Texas, either > stings, sticks or stinks." Hmmmm? > > Lil griz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:52:59 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas And they got big-assed spiders too... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:12:28 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes - --------------A20059D5C4A00904EE854ECC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WSmith4100@aol.com wrote: > To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY > KIDDING!!!!!! > > But seriously, was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) and all > of the meals were based around parched corn. Can anyone tell me how to parch > corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along. > Thanks, y'all > Wade Wade, I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and there isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what Lanney sent. Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and that is what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I do have some friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. they puff up like the indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and are a naturally sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn is, like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet just after the kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as much as they will be. Take granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to reduce the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly bring the sugars up to the point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels. In the case of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture in them evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because the sugar coating on your corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want to start out with sticky coatings right off. When done, just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie sheet and let cool. You can then carefully bust it up and bag or store it however you see fit. I don't recommend that you parch your corn with oil since that will make it hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster. Keep it dry! Oh, yea, Keep it away from your kids. I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - --------------A20059D5C4A00904EE854ECC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

WSmith4100@aol.com wrote:

To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
KIDDING!!!!!!

But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) and all
of the meals were based around parched corn.  Can anyone tell me how to parch
corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.
Thanks, y'all
Wade

Wade,

I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and there isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what Lanney sent.

Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and that is what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I do have some friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. they puff up like the indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and are a naturally sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn is, like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet just after the kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as much as they will be. Take granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to reduce the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly bring the sugars up to the point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels. In the case of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture in them evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because the sugar coating on your corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want to start out with sticky coatings right off. When done, just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie sheet and let cool. You can then carefully bust it up and bag or store it however you see fit. I don't recommend that you parch your corn with oil since that will make it hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster.  Keep it dry! Oh, yea, Keep it away from your kids. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
  - --------------A20059D5C4A00904EE854ECC-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:20:06 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE6663.3FA18CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Capt That is a cracker jack of a recipe. If I weren't a dang diabetic I = would rush into the kitchen and whup up a batch right now. I'm willing = to bet that if you don't get some hot water into that sugared up skillet = pretty soon after taking out the glazed corn She Who Must Be Obeyed will = be less that happy. Way less. YMOS Lanney -----Original Message----- From: Roger Lahti To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:18 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes =20 =20 =20 WSmith4100@aol.com wrote:=20 To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I = WAS ONLY=20 KIDDING!!!!!!=20 But seriously, was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can = read) and all=20 of the meals were based around parched corn. Can anyone tell me = how to parch=20 corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along.=20 Thanks, y'all=20 Wade Wade,=20 I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and = there isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what = Lanney sent.=20 Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and = that is what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I = do have some friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. = they puff up like the indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and = are a naturally sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn is, = like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet just after the = kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as much as they will be. Take = granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in = about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need to = reduce the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly = bring the sugars up to the point where they melt and start to coat the = corn kernels. In the case of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly = let the moisture in them evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the = better because the sugar coating on your corn can and will draw moisture = and you don't want to start out with sticky coatings right off. When = done, just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie sheet and let cool. = You can then carefully bust it up and bag or store it however you see = fit. I don't recommend that you parch your corn with oil since that will = make it hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster. Keep it = dry! Oh, yea, Keep it away from your kids. I remain......=20 YMOS=20 Capt. Lahti'=20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE6663.3FA18CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Capt
That is a cracker jack of a = recipe.  If I=20 weren't a dang diabetic I would rush into the kitchen and whup up a = batch right=20 now.  I'm willing to bet that if you don't get some hot water into = that=20 sugared up skillet pretty soon after taking out the glazed corn She Who = Must Be=20 Obeyed will be less that happy.  Way less.
YMOS
Lanney
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: = hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:=20 recipes

 =20

WSmith4100@aol.com = wrote:=20

To all my brothers and sisters in the = great=20 state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
KIDDING!!!!!!=20

But seriously,  was reading somethin' the other day,( = yes I can=20 read) and all
of the meals were based around parched = corn.  Can=20 anyone tell me how to parch
corn and/or does anyone have any = recipes=20 to pass along.
Thanks, y'all
Wade

Wade,=20

I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject = and=20 there isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with = what=20 Lanney sent.=20

Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions = and that=20 is what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I = do have=20 some friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. they = puff up=20 like the indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and are a = naturally=20 sweeter eat. One thing you can do with indian corn is, like Lanney=20 mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a skillet just after the kernels = stop=20 snapping and are puffed up as much as they will be. Take granulated = brown=20 sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or molasses and mix in about a 1/4 = cup or so=20 while the kernels are still hot. You will need to reduce the heat a = bit so=20 you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly bring the sugars up to = the=20 point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels. In the = case of the=20 liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture in them = evaporate.=20 The drier you can get this mix the better because the sugar coating = on your=20 corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want to start out with = sticky=20 coatings right off. When done, just dump it all out on a big plate = or cookie=20 sheet and let cool. You can then carefully bust it up and bag or = store it=20 however you see fit. I don't recommend that you parch your = corn with=20 oil since that will make it hard to coat with sugar and make it go = rancid=20 faster.  Keep it dry! Oh, yea, Keep it away from your kids. I=20 remain......=20

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 

- ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE6663.3FA18CE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:02:47 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas Pablo, Unfortunately you are exactly right about Travis. Given that the treatment for social diseases in that time was large doses of mercury, and the term mad as a hatter refers to the exposure to mercury, it may well be that our Hero wasn't quite right. Never the less, that letter is the stuff of legends and every time I read it makes it what little hair I have stand on end. Pendleton - ---------- > From: Paul Jones > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:27 PM > > Boys, I grant Travis was a man of the moment and is special to our history. > But remember this is the same man who kept a diary during his years in Texas > detailing his numerous affairs in the foulest manner you can imagine, even > citing how much he paid. He is also the man who, although still married to > the mother of his beloved son (both living in another state where he had > left them some years before while he sought his fortune in Texas), got > engaged to a respectable young lady in Tejas, and left her a legacy of a > serious "social disease" whose terminal stages of dementia he avoided with > his untimely demise at the Alamo. Reading the diary (available in all its > glory at the State Archives) gives the other side of his "literary" bent, > and it is sadly a far cry from the eloquence of his missives from the Alamo. > I guess we just need to take our heroes, warts and all. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Darilek > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; AMM > > Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas > > > >Yes, Travis was a very expressive and literate hero. On March 3, in the > >midst of the seige of the Alamo, Travis wrote to his friend Jesse Grimes: > > > >"Take good care of my little boy. If the country should be saved, I may > >make him a splended fortune; but if the country should be lost, and I > should > >perish, he will have nothing but the proud recollection that he is the son > >of a man who died for his country." > > > >If that don't get you, nothing will. > > > >Glenn Darilek > >Iron Burner > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Ratcliff > > > > > >>Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like Texans, > >everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity shown by > >heroes. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:07:26 -0600 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas Oh hell Dennis, they ain't nothing but bugs. Pendleton - ---------- > From: Dennis Miles > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:52 AM > > And they got big-assed spiders too... > > D > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:19:59 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas Paul, Saw a short article about additional information has been found at an estate sale (papers or a journal) written about Travis and Davey C., according to the article the information has been checked and found to have belonged to one of Travis's officers. There is a updated book being written about this new found information, guess Travis was complaining about Davey crying as the fight neared, and had to be moved away from his men for a period, damn that sure screwed up by idea of this man - bet Walt Disney rolled over on this one. That was pretty much all that was of interest in this article seen a month or two ago in the Denver paper. If we had the ability to see what really happened in many of these events, boy would that change history. Saw an article that was written years ago about some of the different groups that fought for different causes from the F&I War right up to Nam. Information was from journals, newspaper interviews and government reports, seems many of the one's that fought in many of the engagement weren't there for God and country as we have been led to believe. Many just flat liked to fight, enjoy the soils of war, and the benefits of wine-women-and song, along with anything else found, the older we get the more we find how we have been led down a pretty little lane. Later Buck - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Jones To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:25 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas >Boys, I grant Travis was a man of the moment and is special to our history. >But remember this is the same man who kept a diary during his years in Texas >detailing his numerous affairs in the foulest manner you can imagine, even >citing how much he paid. He is also the man who, although still married to >the mother of his beloved son (both living in another state where he had >left them some years before while he sought his fortune in Texas), got >engaged to a respectable young lady in Tejas, and left her a legacy of a >serious "social disease" whose terminal stages of dementia he avoided with >his untimely demise at the Alamo. Reading the diary (available in all its >glory at the State Archives) gives the other side of his "literary" bent, >and it is sadly a far cry from the eloquence of his missives from the Alamo. >I guess we just need to take our heroes, warts and all. Paul >-----Original Message----- >From: Glenn Darilek >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; AMM > >Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:05 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas > > >>Yes, Travis was a very expressive and literate hero. On March 3, in the >>midst of the seige of the Alamo, Travis wrote to his friend Jesse Grimes: >> >>"Take good care of my little boy. If the country should be saved, I may >>make him a splended fortune; but if the country should be lost, and I >should >>perish, he will have nothing but the proud recollection that he is the son >>of a man who died for his country." >> >>If that don't get you, nothing will. >> >>Glenn Darilek >>Iron Burner >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ratcliff >> >> >>>Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like Texans, >>everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity shown by >>heroes. >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: 04 Mar 99 20:09:07 -0700 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes - --====48554951495250525357===1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" People in Colorado never apologize to Texans DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants Roger Lahti wrote: >=A0 >WSmith4100@aol.com wrote: >To all my brothers and sisters in the great state of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY >KIDDING!!!!!! >But seriously,=A0 was reading somethin' the other day,( yes I can read) = and all >of the meals were based around parched corn.=A0 Can anyone tell me how to = parch >corn and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass along. >Thanks, y'all >Wade >Wade, >I see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive post on this subject and = there = >isn't much to add but I do have a couple of ideas to go with what Lanney = sent. >Some folks use the hard kernel indian corn that Lanney mentions and that = is = >what I like to use too but it is a bit bland to say the least. I do have = some = >friends that like to use dry sweet corn kernels instead. they puff up = like the = >indian corn but are not as hard on the teeth and are a naturally sweeter = eat. One = >thing you can do with indian corn is, like Lanney mentioned, add sugar. I = do it in a = >skillet just after the kernels stop snapping and are puffed up as much as = they = >will be. Take granulated brown sugar, maple sugar or syrup and or = molasses and mix = >in about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels are still hot. You will need = to = >reduce the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. You want to slowly = bring the = >sugars up to the point where they melt and start to coat the corn kernels.= In the case = >of the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly let the moisture in them = >evaporate. The drier you can get this mix the better because the sugar = coating on your = >corn can and will draw moisture and you don't want to start out with = sticky coatings = >right off. When done, just dump it all out on a big plate or cookie sheet = and = >let cool. You can then carefully bust it up and bag or store it however = you see = >fit. I don't recommend that you parch your corn with oil since that will = make it = >hard to coat with sugar and make it go rancid faster.=A0 Keep it dry! Oh, = yea, Keep it = >away from your kids. I remain...... >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' >=A0 > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com with = ESMTP > (SMTPD32-4.03) id AA9C850124; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:18:36 -0700 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 10IeXS-0003Sx-00 > for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:16:10 -0700 >Received: from [207.115.153.30] (helo=3Dsmtp1.gte.net) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 10IeXP-0003P4-00 > for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:16:07 -0700 >Received: from gte.net (1Cust147.tnt1.kennewick.wa.da.uu.net [153.36.7.= 147]) > by smtp1.gte.net with ESMTP id OAA09320 > for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:15:28 -0600 (CST) >Message-ID: <36DEE92C.50969D05@gte.net> >Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:12:28 -0800 >From: Roger Lahti >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) >X-Accept-Language: en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: recipes >References: >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary=3D"------------A20059D5C4A00904EE854ECC" >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 915556143 >Status: U > - --====48554951495250525357===1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = People = in Colorado never apologize to Texans

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Roger Lahti wrote:
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>WSmith4100@aol.com= wrote:
>To all my = brothers and sisters in the great state = of TEXAS, I WAS ONLY
>KIDDING!!!!!!
>But = seriously,  was reading somethin' the = other day,( yes I can read) and all
>of = the meals were based around parched corn.  = Can anyone tell me how to parch
>corn = and/or does anyone have any recipes to pass = along.
>Thanks, y'all
>Wade
>Wade,
>I = see Lanney sent in a pretty comprehensive = post on this subject and there
>isn't = much to add but I do have a couple of ideas = to go with what Lanney sent.
>Some = folks use the hard kernel indian corn that = Lanney mentions and that is
>what = I like to use too but it is a bit bland to = say the least. I do have some
>friends = that like to use dry sweet corn kernels = instead. they puff up like the
>indian = corn but are not as hard on the teeth and = are a naturally sweeter eat. One
>thing = you can do with indian corn is, like Lanney = mentioned, add sugar. I do it in a
>skillet = just after the kernels stop snapping and = are puffed up as much as they
>will = be. Take granulated brown sugar, maple sugar = or syrup and or molasses and mix
>in = about a 1/4 cup or so while the kernels = are still hot. You will need to
>reduce = the heat a bit so you don't burn the sugars. = You want to slowly bring the
>sugars = up to the point where they melt and start = to coat the corn kernels. In the case
>of = the liquid sugars, you will have to slowly = let the moisture in them
>evaporate. = The drier you can get this mix the better = because the sugar coating on your
>corn = can and will draw moisture and you don't = want to start out with sticky coatings
>right = off. When done, just dump it all out on = a big plate or cookie sheet and
>let = cool. You can then carefully bust it up = and bag or store it however you see
>fit. = I don't recommend that you parch your corn = with oil since that will make it
>hard = to coat with sugar and make it go rancid = faster.  Keep it dry! Oh, yea, Keep = it
>away from your kids. I remain......
>YMOS
>Capt. = Lahti'
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> - --====48554951495250525357===1-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:27:34 -0800 From: butch Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas larry pendleton wrote: > > Pablo, > Unfortunately you are exactly right about Travis. Given that the > treatment for social diseases in that time was large doses of mercury, and > the term mad as a hatter refers to the exposure to mercury, it may well be > that our Hero wasn't quite right. Never the less, that letter is the stuff > of legends and every time I read it makes it what little hair I have stand > on end. > Pendleton Heroes are human beings who happen to get it together at the right time and in the right place. I don't mean to take anything away from Travis or Crockett by saying that; I mean that all humans are prone to mistakes and bad moves. What counts is how we stand up when the crunch comes. And all these men stood up just fine. As to crying, meeting death on the moment in the heat of a fight is one thing. Seeing it coming for days and knowing damn well you *are* going to die is quite another. Standing and dying in place when the time comes and doing the best you can with it is what counts, at least with me. All these men did that. Could I? Could you? I dunno, but I sure respect any man or woman who has. Crazy or afraid or anything else. The fact that I can respect a brave and courageous act doesn't mean that I necessarily admire the rest of someone's life, and vice versa. Just gotta play it as it lays, I guess. Butch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:34:28 -0600 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas I am looking forward to seeing the new book. The Mexicans (not the military) were in close communication with the defenders. A number of their hispanic relatives died in the fight on the Texan side. Many in Bexar (San Antonio) were well aware that many of the defenders would prefer a way out. One Mexican army officer stated that the final attack was moved up so as to forstall what Santa Anna understood to be an offer of surrender. Who is to say? The recently auctioned tome by an officer who greatly respected the Texians and did not care at all for his General states that Crockett did surrender on an offer of quarter, but that Santa Anna refused to honor the grant and some of his officers or men hacked Crockett and and several others to death with sabers. The officer said that most Mexican officers were greatly offended by the action and that Crockett and the others died with dignity. That report raises ire with some of the Crockett fans, but interestingly enough the same general story was reported in several US newspapers within a month or so of the battle. Also of note is that we now know of at least three men who got out on the morning of the final battle during the general confusion. Two are identified. One of them died of wounds within weeks. The third is unknown. He managed to get to a bridge over the river and hid. Some hours after the fight had ended a Mexican woman getting water saw him and called some troops. He was killed on the spot. Regardless, it was a historic moment and the time given Houston was a factor in his ultimate victory. Some really interesting reading is a set of depositions given in a libel and slander suit from the late 1850's or early 60's. One of the participants at San Jacinto was spreading the story that an officer had killed an unarmed Mexican woman during the battle. The officer denied it and sued. Houston and four or five others gave testimony and the case was dropped. He did kill her as alleged. What is unique about the depositions is that they are the only known eye-witness accounts of that fight and were not recorded until some 20 odd years. I think that the fight was so brutal and the men so out of control that most wanted to forget the details of the fight. The only Mexican buried after the battle was the woman. The rest of the bodies were left to rot and the remains were a major tourist attraction for several years with steam boats from the new town of Houston making the run on a regular schedule. The old lady who owned the land petitioned the new government to remove or bury the bodies, but her request was never honored. As a final thought, Houston and Texas were damned lucky that Santa Anna was a worm and that one or more of the general officers still in the field did not ignore the order to return to Mexico. The best troops and officers were still at hand and I think could have taken Houston out without much of a fight. Most of his men were out of powder and balls after San Jacinto and a goodly percentage of their rifles were broken or damaged from pounding on Mexican skulls. It would have been interesting to have had the fight continue, if for no other reason than to learn whether Jackson would have let his General and troops on the La. border enter the fray. Get a copy of the Book "Empire of Bones." It recounts the battle of San Jacinto and uses the material from the depositions to some degree. That was an amazing era, and the mixture of bravery and knavery was remarkably balanced. I take nothing from those men, they won the day and history records their glory. However, just below the surface, the story gets a bit murky, and to me, all the more interesting. Sorry to have preached for so long, but I love Texas history--both the public view and what appear to be the real stories. Each has its place and each can teach us a great deal. Sometime get me wound up about the early rangers. That is truely a story with a mixed bag of good and evil, bravery and down right foolishness, and one hell of a lot of misreporting. But it is a tale worth knowing about both sides of the nickel as it were, and another example of why Texans are larger than life--at least that is what my first grade teacher told me. Paul - -----Original Message----- From: Barry Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 8:24 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas >Paul, >Saw a short article about additional information has been found at an estate >sale (papers or a journal) written about Travis and Davey C., according to >the article the information has been checked and found to have belonged to >one of Travis's officers. >There is a updated book being written about this new found information, >guess Travis was complaining about Davey crying as the fight neared, and had >to be moved away from his men for a period, damn that sure screwed up by >idea of this man - bet Walt Disney rolled over on this one. That was pretty >much all that was of interest in this article seen a month or two ago in the >Denver paper. > >If we had the ability to see what really happened in many of these events, >boy would that change history. Saw an article that was written years ago >about some of the different groups that fought for different causes from the >F&I War right up to Nam. Information was from journals, newspaper interviews >and government reports, seems many of the one's that fought in many of the >engagement weren't there for God and country as we have been led to believe. >Many just flat liked to fight, enjoy the soils of war, and the benefits of >wine-women-and song, along with anything else found, the older we get the >more we find how we have been led down a pretty little lane. > >Later > >Buck > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Jones >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:25 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas > > >>Boys, I grant Travis was a man of the moment and is special to our history. >>But remember this is the same man who kept a diary during his years in >Texas >>detailing his numerous affairs in the foulest manner you can imagine, even >>citing how much he paid. He is also the man who, although still married to >>the mother of his beloved son (both living in another state where he had >>left them some years before while he sought his fortune in Texas), got >>engaged to a respectable young lady in Tejas, and left her a legacy of a >>serious "social disease" whose terminal stages of dementia he avoided with >>his untimely demise at the Alamo. Reading the diary (available in all its >>glory at the State Archives) gives the other side of his "literary" bent, >>and it is sadly a far cry from the eloquence of his missives from the >Alamo. >>I guess we just need to take our heroes, warts and all. Paul >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Glenn Darilek >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; AMM >> >>Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:05 PM >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More about Texas >> >> >>>Yes, Travis was a very expressive and literate hero. On March 3, in the >>>midst of the seige of the Alamo, Travis wrote to his friend Jesse Grimes: >>> >>>"Take good care of my little boy. If the country should be saved, I may >>>make him a splended fortune; but if the country should be lost, and I >>should >>>perish, he will have nothing but the proud recollection that he is the son >>>of a man who died for his country." >>> >>>If that don't get you, nothing will. >>> >>>Glenn Darilek >>>Iron Burner >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Ratcliff >>> >>> >>>>Even if you aren't Texan or even if you don't particularly like Texans, >>>everybody should certainly hold very dear the courage and fidelity shown >by >>>heroes. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #249 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. 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