From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #254 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, March 13 1999 Volume 01 : Number 254 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:19:59 EST From: Pulakabayo@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Patterson question Hello the list! Just a quick question on a pistol. Does anyone know if there are any documented cases of the 1836 Patterson revolver (the first Colt, the one with the folding trigger) in the fur trade prior to 1840? Any sources recommended that I could look into? Thanks much, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:46:03 EST From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn Buck, somewhere, somehow, I missed your address and company name, etc. can you forward it. Thanks in advance. Wade ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:37:36 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn Recipes "BRUCE S. DE LIS" wrote: > Someone mentioned the other day that this "Parched Corn" was > so easy to do, and there was little work involved in making > Parched Corn. > > So could you share the Recipe. Bruce, This is how I do it. And remember I use hard indian corn. Sweet corn works too but it hardly needs sweetening as I later explain. Start out with dry kernels rubbed off the cob not cut off. I like to use a cast iron skillet but I also have a popcorn popper that swirls the kernels around on a hot "plate" under a clear bowl/lid and it works good too. Any thing like the above will work. Use fairly high heat but watch out for scorching, gives the finished product a very bad taste. In a skillet, cover the bottom with a layer or two of kernels and no oil if you want it to keep without going rancid. Stir constantly to keep from scorching and to continually expose all sides of the kernels. Listen and watch for the snapping and splitting open of the kernels. When you don't hear those sounds or see the kernels splitting open anymore you are done. You can do the salt brine wash at this point and turn the parched kernels out onto a plate, etc. or you can turn the heat down and while they are still hot add some brown sugar, maple sugar or molasses to the skillet to coat the kernels with a bit of sweetness. A quarter cup of brown sugar to a batch of kernels in a 10" skillet is about right. Continue to stir the mess until the sugar melts and sticks to the kernels. Turn the mess out onto a plate to cool. Sugar coated parched corn usually doesn't last long after everyone finds out you have it but it does draw moisture and thus doesn't make for a very good trail food in moist weather. Anything you don't understand just let me know. I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > > > B > > -- > "The Price Of Freedom > Is Not Free" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:25:09 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn Recipes This is a recipe that I posted a few days earlier. It works well for = me, but there are probably many others that work just as good. Lanney Ratcliff Some folks use a skillet and grease, but you can just buy Korn Nuts at = 7-11 if that will suit you. Traditionally dry corn was cooked by = throwing kernels in hot ashes for a while.=20 I use a sheet cake pan ( a glorified cookie sheet, if you ask me) and = place a single layer of dried corn kernals in it and place it in a 350 = degree oven. After a few minutes you will hear the corn "popping". The = corn doesn't make popcorn, rather it "snaps and cracks" and will turn a = light brown color. Remove from the oven and cool. The corn can be = eaten as is and will store pretty much eternally. Or the corn can be = crushed to powder (a blender or food processor works well for this, or = use a metate or a mortar & pestal) to make pinole, also known as = rockahominy and other names. A small handful consumed with the help of = a big drink of water or eating a large pellet made by mixing a handful = of pinole with a little water will stick to your ribs better than you = can imagine. Some folks season or flavor the pinole with salt or sugar = and, sometimes, cinnamon. Suit yourself here, but remember that salt = tends to draw moisture. Buy your corn from a health food store or a VERY well stocked grocery = store. Feed store corn might have additives that you may not want to = eat and seed corn will almost certainly have some additives, including = pesticides and fungicides and=20 God knows what other "cides". The health food store will possibly have = blue corn or "Indian" corn. Even better. Remember this, plain pinole is bland to the highest degree. It can be = counted on to feed you but it is best relegated to "iron ration" status. = A steady diet of the stuff will soon have you eating tree bark. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: BRUCE S. DE LIS To: hist_text@xmission.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:04 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Parched Corn Recipes > > > >Someone mentioned the other day that this "Parched Corn" was >so easy to do, and there was little work involved in making >Parched Corn. =20 > >So could you share the Recipe. > >B > >-- >"The Price Of Freedom > Is Not Free"=20 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:15:24 -0600 From: "Brian McNutt" Subject: MtMan-List: greenhorn joins up Howdy Just joined the list, and wanted to say hi. My name is Brian, from Weatherford, TX. I was lucky enough to get to Friendship once, and ready to go back. All I own in the way of buckskinning is the first four books, and a TC Hawkins 50. Anyone from Texas please drop me a line; I'd like to know what (if anything) is a'happening in the BIG state. Thanks! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:58:21 -0600 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: greenhorn joins up Brian: Try and come to the Comanche Peak Rendezvous the second weekend in April. It is literally a modest stones throw away from where you live (just West of Alvarado and East of Cleburne). I will mail you a flyer if you send me your address. You will meet some fine people, including more than a few AMM Brothers and a number of longhunters. Even Little Lanney our mascot dwarf will be in attendance (he publishes the newsletter for the group and keeps me out of harms way in certain circumstances). Bring your Hawkin, a knife, hawk and a sense of humor. Regards, Paul - -----Original Message----- From: Brian McNutt To: AMM Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 5:22 PM Subject: MtMan-List: greenhorn joins up >Howdy >Just joined the list, and wanted to say hi. My name is Brian, from >Weatherford, TX. I was lucky enough to get to Friendship once, and ready to >go back. All I own in the way of buckskinning is the first four books, and a >TC Hawkins 50. >Anyone from Texas please drop me a line; I'd like to know what (if anything) >is a'happening in the BIG state. >Thanks! >Brian > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:10:11 EST From: Pulakabayo@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle I guess today is just my day for strange firearms questions, but the big color ad in the current issue of Muzzleloader has me wondering about the Ferguson rifle. Does anyone know if there were any examples of this weapon that made it into the fur trade, perhaps captured from the 71st Highlanders after their defeat at Brandywine? Much obliged, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:03:10 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade Lanney & Roger, I'm in the process of working over my personal web site : http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html new site will have the usual buttons to take you to a number of areas; travel, camp wares, living history sites to weapons, the tradegun of coarse. Would like to use your recipes for parched corn along with a few others collected in the last 30-40 years. Am trying to load this site with everything I can, to be as complete as possible in hopes of helping the new person and a few old timers that are looking for information to sources, etc.. Will use lots of links like Lee's and Dave's for additional information, if I get their permission. Need to get it put together then send them samples for their approval. Should have this site on line by mid summer, have got a good supply of information and some really neat resources. The old site will stay the same until this has been gone over a dozen times and proofed by the lady that handles the fancy stuff, then incorpated into the new site using the same URL. Wade the business site is: http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ probably get hammered for giving it out. By the way Dennis Miles made me a pair of great knives that are excellent quality, so if anyone needs a good knife give him some consideration at: http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 you won't be sorry. Buck dba / Clark & sons Mercantile, Inc. _________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: WSmith4100@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:47 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn >Buck, >somewhere, somehow, I missed your address and company name, etc. can you >forward it. Thanks in advance. > >Wade > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:38:16 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade You certainly have my permission to use my recipe for parched corn or = anything else of interest that I have posted to this site. Thanks for = considering it good enough to use.=20 I have three knives by Dennis's hand plus an awesome woodsman's hatchet, = a few assorted buckles, strikers and other assorted gew gaws. First = class all the way. He is a pleasure to deal with, won't take all year = to complete an order and prices his goods fairly. What else could you = want? YMOS Lanney - -----Original Message----- From: Barry Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:07 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade >Lanney & Roger, >I'm in the process of working over my personal web site : >http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html new site will have the >usual buttons to take you to a number of areas; travel, camp wares, = living >history sites to weapons, the tradegun of coarse. Would like to use = your >recipes for parched corn along with a few others collected in the last = 30-40 >years. Am trying to load this site with everything I can, to be as = complete >as possible in hopes of helping the new person and a few old timers = that are >looking for information to sources, etc.. Will use lots of links like = Lee's >and Dave's for additional information, if I get their permission. Need = to >get it put together then send them samples for their approval. Should = have >this site on line by mid summer, have got a good supply of information = and >some really neat resources. The old site will stay the same until this = has >been gone over a dozen times and proofed by the lady that handles the = fancy >stuff, then incorpated into the new site using the same URL. > >Wade the business site is: http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ >probably get hammered for giving it out. > >By the way Dennis Miles made me a pair of great knives that are = excellent >quality, so if anyone needs a good knife give him some consideration = at: >http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 you won't be sorry. > >Buck >dba / Clark & sons Mercantile, Inc. >_________________________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: WSmith4100@aol.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:47 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn > > >>Buck, >>somewhere, somehow, I missed your address and company name, etc. can = you >>forward it. Thanks in advance. >> >>Wade >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:34:45 -0800 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: address request by Wade Barry Conner wrote: > Lanney & Roger, > Would like to use your > recipes for parched corn along with a few others collected in the last 30-40 > years. Barry, Like Lanney said, your welcome to them and we'd be honored. Sounds like it will be a great site when your done. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:41:43 -0500 From: jlynch@bcm.tmc.edu Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn > Can I get some help on the proper powder charge for a 58 cal. North West > trade gun? > MadJack MadJack, jus last fall i got a "northwester" flinter, mine's a .62 cal./20 gauge beaut made by a feller named jackie brown up in mississippi (http://www.moad.com/jbrown/) an i had a heck of a time figurin' out the lead 'n powder size, mostly cause the barrel was hand turned like the ol' days. in them thar days the gunsmith would give ya the right size mold fer the gun an' probly sum tips on loadin, jus call it part o' the fun figurin' it out nowadays. i reckon it's a lifelong pursuit considerin' fowlin' options such as roundball and patch size, shot size, charge load, what yer huntin an' such. i've since made meat with my smoothey by killin' deer, squirrel, rabbit, coyote, dove, quail, ducks and soon this spring turkey. i reckon my powder load is generaly around 60-70 grains FF, although i've never counted. shot size load equal to powder load with wad options from lubed premade to green grass. roundball fer mine is.595 patched with the thinest ticking i could find. i'll be puttin' it to the test at the competitions up at the southwestern regional ronde in waldron arkansas (http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus/swrr.htm) in a few weeks, hope to see ya thar! bill "missouri red" lynch somewheres in south texas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:19:14 -0800 From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Patterson question Jim, I believe bent's Fort had the Patterson on it's inventory list in 1838. Also, Kit Carson had a pair at the 1838 Rendezvous. This is from my memory, so don't quote me. This will give you an idea on where to look for documentation though...... hope it helps. Hardtack PS-don't carry these loaded {right barney ? :) } ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:05:27 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Paterson question Paterson's? Loaded? Capped? Moi? YOU CAN TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, it ain't safe; 'les of course you got double or triple restraining straps on that there holster. That's how i got the name Barney Fife!!! (and now i'm only allowed to carry one bullet, in my pocket) Randy's recollection is right: Paterson's were being used in the Southwest for sure, and Carson was recorded as having worn a brace of 'em into rendezvous in 1838 or thereabouts. The Texas Rangers got them in 1836, then asked Colt to modify them 'cuz they could not be loaded on horseback. In '39 they received the redesigned model with the loading lever attached to the frame; at which point the 'old' model become obsolete, and were most likely sent up the trail. I'll be looking for some ref's, and will post them ASAP. yhs, Barney Fife aka Shootz Himself aka SureShot. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:06:45 -0800 From: Pat Laughlin Subject: MtMan-List: The Bloomery I have put up some pics of the bloomery from the Ken Weaver Hammerfest. Go to our home page and then to the Bloomery link to view them. I'll get some more of them up shortly. Enjoy. http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/blythe/2/adobe.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:04:46 EST From: Pulakabayo@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question Hello the list! Back when I was on the list about a year ago (before I accidentally kilt my computer) someone mentioned that they had run across a source whereas a party in the early fur trade era was heading into the mountains. They needed guides, and they wound up hiring two Virginia longhunters who were on their way out of the mountains to guide them in. Anyone know where I ought to be looking for such an incident? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:33:33 GMT From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle I can't answer the request, but have to say it really is an imposing piece. First one I saw was at the 1987 SWRR that Gene High built from drawings he'd found somewhere. I never shot it, but did spend a couple hours unscrewing and rescrewing (no lewd comments from T.A.B. members required, or wanted at this point) the breech/triggerguard mechanism. Marvelous piece of work. He only made the one rifle AIR, but folks around Dallas (ya listening Lightfoot?) can correct me if I'm wrong. I've got a souvenier, souveneier, sooveneer, keepsake photo of that SW with me in my BAR duds and that rifle. Gotta get to Kings Mt next time I go back to visit my ma in the Smokies. On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:10:11 EST, you wrote: >I guess today is just my day for strange firearms questions, but the big= color >ad in the current issue of Muzzleloader has me wondering about the = Ferguson >rifle. Does anyone know if there were any examples of this weapon that = made it >into the fur trade, perhaps captured from the 71st Highlanders after = their >defeat at Brandywine? > >Much obliged, >Jim > Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including = "BS". 1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:42:31 EST From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question In a message dated 99-03-12 16:22:31 EST, you write: << They needed guides, and they wound up hiring two Virginia longhunters who were on their way out of the mountains to guide them in. Anyone know where I ought to be looking for such an incident? >> Possibly the trappers Louis & Clark met on their return leg? They wanted to hire 2 "guides" but Coulter was the only one the Expedition could spare? That would have been about Aug 15, 1806 in the journals. Maybe not what you're looking for, but the only thing that rings a bell here. NM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:56:02 -0800 From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Longhunter/Mountain Man question Jim, Try the web page list archives, if it was posted at one time, it is still there. Manuel Lisa met John Colter coming out of the Mountains, and Colter returned to guide him back up the river. Is this the story which you are remembering? Hardtack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:42:29 PST From: "Bill Jackson" Subject: MtMan-List: Order of the Beaver Would like to know if any are members of the North American Order of the Beaver? MadJack Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:29:29 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Order of the Beaver Bill, Not sure if we're talking about the same organization, originally founded in Montreal. If we are, then I'm not sure if I should answer that question, but, I believe that, despite my protests, I may have been granted the honor (?) of being inducted into "The Club" last November; also received my new moniker of 'Barney Fife' at that time. Got my medallion and am now awaiting my registration #, etc. "FORTITUDE IN DISTRESS" yhs, bARNEY fIFE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:47:51 -0600 From: "Ron and Gayle Harris" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle I hear ya roy!!! It is or fine peice of work!!! Fowls pretty bad as i recall. Around the screws. Commin to Commanche Peak in April??? tha "foot" - -----Original Message----- From: Roy Parker To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:39 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ferguson rifle >I can't answer the request, but have to say it really is an imposing >piece. First one I saw was at the 1987 SWRR that Gene High built from >drawings he'd found somewhere. I never shot it, but did spend a >couple hours unscrewing and rescrewing (no lewd comments from T.A.B. >members required, or wanted at this point) the breech/triggerguard >mechanism. Marvelous piece of work. He only made the one rifle AIR, >but folks around Dallas (ya listening Lightfoot?) can correct me if >I'm wrong. I've got a souvenier, souveneier, sooveneer, keepsake >photo of that SW with me in my BAR duds and that rifle. Gotta get to >Kings Mt next time I go back to visit my ma in the Smokies. > > >On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:10:11 EST, you wrote: > >>I guess today is just my day for strange firearms questions, but the big color >>ad in the current issue of Muzzleloader has me wondering about the Ferguson >>rifle. Does anyone know if there were any examples of this weapon that made it >>into the fur trade, perhaps captured from the 71st Highlanders after their >>defeat at Brandywine? >> >>Much obliged, >>Jim >> > >Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including "BS". >1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:52:31 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Bloomery On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Pat Laughlin wrote: > I have put up some pics of the bloomery from the Ken Weaver Hammerfest. Curious Pat... how many pounds of Iron did ya'll extract per pound of ore? Per day? Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:34:11 EST From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: parched corn HOT CAKES?? I thought this was pre 1840. Hot Cakes were the big new food of the Worlds Fair. Introduced in I think 1846. ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #254 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.