From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #278 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, April 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 278 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Apr 1999 09:34:11 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore Take a good look at Caywood Arms, they make some really nice stuff and you can buy kits, guns in the white and finished. Your price range is what a gun in the white would run. Turtle ____________ > > > >Ok list here is the question I need help with. I now have $850 to spend on > >a smooth Bore. What should I buy? I do about 8 rowdy's a year and dress in > >the 1835 to 1840 era style dress. What should I buy that would be period > >correct and were to get it? What about a Brown Bess Or Harper's Ferry. I > >need Some help here because I would like to have it in less than 30 days. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Lone-Wolf > > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:07:56 +0000 From: jlynch@bcm.tmc.edu Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore Lone-Wolf, i could not be happier with my smoothey custom built by jackie brown. it's a northwest trade gun style with serpentine sideplate, queen anne lock, 20 gauge octagon to round hand forged 42" barrel, premium curly maple stock with brass trigger guard and butt plate. it's outshot many a smoothey and rifled alike. i hunt everything with it from deer to turkey. in my opinion there is no other gun. historically, by far, the most common gun on the frontier. the best part is the price, they run around $650. it would sure be worth your time giving him a call, his phone number's on his web site. http://www.moad.com/jbrown/ bill Lone-Wolf wrote: > Ok list here is the question I need help with. I now have $850 to spend on > a smooth Bore. What should I buy? I do about 8 rowdy's a year and dress in > the 1835 to 1840 era style dress. What should I buy that would be period > correct and were to get it? What about a Brown Bess Or Harper's Ferry. I > need Some help here because I would like to have it in less than 30 days. > Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:36:10 -0600 From: David & Evelyn Mullen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Fw: Mr. Pickert, What does this have to do with the fur trade? You should be ashamed for subjecting your fellow list members to this kind of spam. YMHOS, David Mullen Richard Pickert wrote: > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > === > > Rick(Walks in the Night)Pickert > > >GAS OUT > > - -- David Mullen 202 Mesa Verde Jemez Springs, NM 87025 505.829.3212 email:dmullen@jemez.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:21:00 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: scissors Joe,=20 I don't exactly have a source for you. =20 If I was looking I'd check The Thomas Register: http://www.thomasregis= te r.com:8000/index-new.html Hint: Look for Bonsai tree tools and supplies. John... At 11:00 AM 4/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >looking for a wholesale source for chinese scissors for our store. We do= n't >do mail order or trade at rendenzvous anymore, so I will not be competin= g >with other traders. You an email me personally. Will trade for other >sources. >Thanks >Joe > >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 >Write for custom tanning prices >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and >hair on robes >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, bask= ets >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka >=20 John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: =20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:06:02 -0700 From: "Pat Laughlin" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: scissors can get them at harbor freight. Three sizes and run about $1. for the small ones and $5 for a set of 3. assembly varies from copper washer and steel rivet and other is steel rivet with plastic. Depends on what they have in. it may be a retail outlet but usually can beat whoesale prices on many things. - -----Original Message----- From: John Kramer To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 1:24 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: scissors Joe, I don't exactly have a source for you. If I was looking I'd check The Thomas Register: http://www.thomasregiste r.com:8000/index-new.html Hint: Look for Bonsai tree tools and supplies. John... At 11:00 AM 4/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >looking for a wholesale source for chinese scissors for our store. We don't >do mail order or trade at rendenzvous anymore, so I will not be competing >with other traders. You an email me personally. Will trade for other >sources. >Thanks >Joe > >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 >Write for custom tanning prices >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and >hair on robes >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka > John T. Kramer, maker of: Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: ------------------------------ Date: 07 Apr 99 16:15:23 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore Reply to: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore A Brown Bess is rather large and heavy and at 75 caliber, takes lots of = lead weight to carry very many balls. If you like the NW trade gun, but = find (like me) that the stock is too straight, look at a Chief's Grade = trade gun. 20 to 28 guage, mine is one fine gun, does everything I want = and just fancy enough to make me smile. Don Keas DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants RR1LA wrote: >check some of these suppliers. i can personally recommend Tennessee = Valley = >Mfg and CentreMark for prooducing both rifles and smoothbores that are = good = >quality and very fairly priced. = > > Shooter's = Resources = >(a very comprehensive listing of many makers) > JP Gunstocks, Inc., = Muzzleloading = >Rifles - Pistols - Smooth Bores > > TVM (Tennessee Valley = Manufacturing) > BP Vendors = = >(another comprehensive listing) > >Hope this helps, YHS, Barney Fife > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > > Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com with = ESMTP > (SMTPD32-5.01) id A1F75490050; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:41:27 -0600 > Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 10Uk9U-00050J-00 > for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:41:24 -0600 > Received: from [198.81.17.69] (helo=3Dimo25.mx.aol.com) > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 10Uk9S-0004zn-00 > for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:41:22 -0600 > Received: from RR1LA@aol.com > by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.4) id fKEVa17550 > for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:15:09 -0400 (= EDT) > From: RR1LA@aol.com > Message-ID: <40e0debc.243c35cd@aol.com> > Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:15:09 EDT > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 > Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > X-RCPT-TO: > X-UIDL: 449 > Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:53:15 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Plew NaugaMok@aol.com wrote: >>Does anyone know the origin of the term "plew"? Did it come from the French? If so, when was it first used?<< From _A Dictionary of Canadianisms, on Historical Principles_, Walter S. D-avis, editor-in-chief (Gage Educational Publishing Co., 1991, ISBN 0-7715-1976-10): "Plu, plus, or plues (from Canadian French, from French 'pelu' meaning skin, pelt) : Also spelled 'plew', 'plue', and (erroneously) 'plus', the last form being a plural form, used along with plews, plues. 1. a prime beaver skin or other fur of equivalent value. See also 'made beaver'. ...2. a unit of value of one made beaver applied to goods other than furs.." The earliest example given for meaning #1 comes from 1800; for meaning #2, the earliest example is from 1794. This jibes with what I recall from my reading of journals from this time period. Also, 'pelu' seems to be archaic or obscure French, as I cannot find it in my modern French dictionary. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:20:49 -0600 From: "Charlie P. Webb" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore Howdy Lone Wolfe, Would be a bit hard to get a Harpers Ferry smooth bore. I favor the .60 to .62 calibers (20ga). Less lead down range, but will still upset an Elk quite easily. Might chech out Caywood, Brown or Curley Gostomskis old out fit now moved out west, North Star West. I have had no dealings with Northstar West, but had good luck with Curleys products.( Locks are some weak, but they have taken several Bull Elk for me) Good luck in your search. There are many fine builders out there. BTW Bob G of Thunder Ridge had a beautiful custom built North West Trade gun a few weeks back, might check with him, I'll guarantee the price was right. I sure would have been proud to own it. You can contact Bob at http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder I use my "Bess" for targets and clay bird shooting, but have not really hunted anything but rabbits with it. Use the VM Starr wadding method (minus the spitting down the barrel) and # 6 shot. Puts meat on the table for me. Respectfully, C.Webb > I now have $850 to spend on >a smooth Bore. What should I buy? > What about a Brown Bess Or Harper's Ferry. > Thanks in advance. >Lone-Wolf > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:06:09 -0400 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore I, too, have a Chiefs Trade Gun (with rear sight) and it shoots great. I saw several originals just like it at the MFT last summer. Aye Don... it will definately make one smile when shooting it. The NMLRA bitches and won't let me shoot it in matches... old argument about a rear sight... But I love her and she do shoot straight. I think I paid $750 for mine 2 years ago... Addison Miller - -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis and Don Keas To: hist_text Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 6:12 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore > Reply to: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore >A Brown Bess is rather large and heavy and at 75 caliber, takes lots of lead weight to carry very many balls. If you like the NW trade gun, but find (like me) that the stock is too straight, look at a Chief's Grade trade gun. 20 to 28 guage, mine is one fine gun, does everything I want and just fancy enough to make me smile. Don Keas > >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants > >RR1LA wrote: >>check some of these suppliers. i can personally recommend Tennessee Valley >Mfg and CentreMark for prooducing both rifles and smoothbores that are good >quality and very fairly priced. > >> Shooter's Resources >(a very comprehensive listing of many makers) >> JP Gunstocks, Inc., Muzzleloading >Rifles - Pistols - Smooth Bores >> >> TVM (Tennessee Valley Manufacturing) >> BP Vendors >(another comprehensive listing) >> >>Hope this helps, YHS, Barney Fife >> >> >> >>RFC822 header >>----------------------------------- >> >> Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com with ESMTP >> (SMTPD32-5.01) id A1F75490050; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:41:27 -0600 >> Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) >> id 10Uk9U-00050J-00 >> for hist_text-goout@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:41:24 -0600 >> Received: from [198.81.17.69] (helo=imo25.mx.aol.com) >> by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) >> id 10Uk9S-0004zn-00 >> for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:41:22 -0600 >> Received: from RR1LA@aol.com >> by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.4) id fKEVa17550 >> for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:15:09 -0400 (EDT) >> From: RR1LA@aol.com >> Message-ID: <40e0debc.243c35cd@aol.com> >> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:15:09 EDT >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 >> Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Precedence: bulk >> Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> X-RCPT-TO: >> X-UIDL: 449 >> Status: U >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:11:47 -0400 From: "sean" Subject: MtMan-List: Cut down Charlie I have a Charleville (sp) that I want to make a carbine out of. Actually, I only want to cut off about 14" or so... I do Oglethorpes Independent Rangers (SC and GA) and we were mounted instead of on foot. A long Charlie goin thru the woods on a horse ain't cool! Almost got knowked on my butt when the Charlie was longer than the distance between the trees... Any background on whether this was done or not? No one in my unit knows for sure, but most have gone and cuttheirs down already. Time frame is 1720-1742... Than ks Addison Miller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:31:22 -0500 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Honey Barbara wrote... - ---------- > From: Barbara Smith > To: history > Subject: MtMan-List: Honey > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 1:11 AM > > Hey, any great tips on how to transport honey? I put mine in a glass > bottle with a cork, and no matter who nicely it's packed in my cassette, > it always tips over, oozes past the cork, and gets on everything! It's > become a huge joke with my friends. I hate to give up packing it, but > even crystalized it makes a mess. Help! :-) > > YMDS > -Tassee > Try pouring hot wax on top of the honey and let it cool before corking it. YMOS "Dull Hawk" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:18:39 -0500 From: "Douglas Hepner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: claw question I've been told that placing them on ant mounds works well. I would think that you would have to devise a way to keep other kritters from stealing them though. Anyway, just a suggestion. YMOS "Dull Hawk" - ---------- > From: Pulakabayo@aol.com > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: claw question > Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 6:23 PM > > OK, I've pulled a half dozen claws out of the hide, now I'm not sure what I to > do with them. > > I'd like to dry them and string them into a neckless, but I'd appreciate some > advice on how to get the excess meat off them and how to preserve them to they > will last a while. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:09:16 -0700 From: Tom Roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight I believe I recently saw some rear sighted shooting take place at an NMLRA event and was curious about whether the sights were just overlooked or whether there are some overzealous judgements being made. Are we certain that fixed rear sights were not fabricated and used by pre-1840 gunsmiths and/or gun owners? Forgive me if I've just kicked a well-worn topic, but I don't see all that great and would like to hit what I aim at while remaining appropriate. Tom sean wrote: > I have a Chiefs Trade Gun (with rear sight) The NMLRA bitches and > won't let me shoot it in matches... old argument about a rear sight... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:32:37 -0400 From: "sean" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight When I was at the MFT last summer, many of the Trade Guns had rear sights. Many were obviously added later and rather crudely, I might add... but the Chiefs Trade Gun, just like mine, had rear sights and the looked to be "factory OEM". I have not found anything that said the weren't made with them, but, I have also not found any documentation that said they were. Addison - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Roberts To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 10:10 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight >I believe I recently saw some rear sighted shooting take place at an NMLRA event >and was curious about whether the sights were just overlooked or whether there >are some overzealous judgements being made. Are we certain that fixed rear >sights were not fabricated and used by pre-1840 gunsmiths and/or gun owners? >Forgive me if I've just kicked a well-worn topic, but I don't see all that great >and would like to hit what I aim at while remaining appropriate. > >Tom > > >sean wrote: > >> I have a Chiefs Trade Gun (with rear sight) The NMLRA bitches and >> won't let me shoot it in matches... old argument about a rear sight... > > > ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 1999 19:31:29 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight Hello Camp, When Charley Hanson was still at the museum in Chardon, we had this talk about rear sights many times. I was interested as I have several originals, one pre-1813 Sutherland tradegun has a rear sight that is part of the barrel, not dovetailed or sweat on. It is a piece of the barrel that has been turned up from the top flat of the barrel, cleaned up and notched. According to Hanson he had never found any doc. that showed manufactures supplying or being ordered to supply rear sites, and felt that these rear sighted guns were done after leaving the factory by company gunsmiths, blacksmiths, etc. (company meaning HBC,NWC, etc. or a trader or supplier). Over the years with all the baloney we have heard about this, many of the bigger events and associations are holding two matches, one with rear sights and one without rear sights. This maybe what you saw at the mentioned event. With everything I have researched on my personal page about tradeguns, and I mean a pile of books, articles and letters from the Museum of the Fur Trade, nothing showed anyone ordering a rear sight on a tradegun or chief's gun. I afraid what Hanson said as well as other's more knowledgeable on the subject, rear sighted tradeguns was after market as we would say today. Buck Conner > I believe I recently saw some rear sighted shooting take place at an NMLRA event > and was curious about whether the sights were just overlooked or whether there > are some overzealous judgements being made. Are we certain that fixed rear Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 1999 19:38:04 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight Damn Buck, you told the boys about your years of research and your close friend Charles Hanson and his thoughts on the matter, but left off your web site. Check it out boys, there's lots of work that went into this information. http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Turtle ________________________ > > Hello Camp, > > When Charley Hanson was still at the museum in Chardon, we had this talk about rear sights many times. I was interested as I have several originals, one pre-1813 Sutherland tradegun has a rear sight that is part of the barrel, not dovetailed or sweat on. It is a piece of the barrel that has been turned up from the top flat of the barrel, cleaned up and notched. > > According to Hanson he had never found any doc. that showed manufactures supplying or being ordered to supply rear sites, and felt that these rear sighted guns were done after leaving the factory by company gunsmiths, blacksmiths, etc. (company meaning HBC,NWC, etc. or a trader or supplier). > > Over the years with all the baloney we have heard about this, many of the bigger events and associations are holding two matches, one with rear sights and one without rear sights. This maybe what you saw at the mentioned event. > > With everything I have researched on my personal page about tradeguns, and I mean a pile of books, articles and letters from the Museum of the Fur Trade, nothing showed anyone ordering a rear sight on a tradegun or chief's gun. I afraid what Hanson said as well as other's more knowledgeable on the subject, rear sighted tradeguns was after market as we would say today. > > Buck Conner > > > I believe I recently saw some rear sighted shooting take place at an NMLRA event > > and was curious about whether the sights were just overlooked or whether there > > are some overzealous judgements being made. Are we certain that fixed rear > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:41:36 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight Turtle... Yer gonna swell his head... D PS..The site Has entertained me for many an hour.. He IS right.... "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: turtle@uswestmail.net To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight >Damn Buck, you told the boys about your years of research and your close friend Charles Hanson and his thoughts on the matter, but left off your web site. > >Check it out boys, there's lots of work that went into this information. > >http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html > >Turtle >________________________ >> >> Hello Camp, >> >> When Charley Hanson was still at the museum in Chardon, we had this talk about rear sights many times. I was interested as I have several originals, one pre-1813 Sutherland tradegun has a rear sight that is part of the barrel, not dovetailed or sweat on. It is a piece of the barrel that has been turned up from the top flat of the barrel, cleaned up and notched. >> >> According to Hanson he had never found any doc. that showed manufactures supplying or being ordered to supply rear sites, and felt that these rear sighted guns were done after leaving the factory by company gunsmiths, blacksmiths, etc. (company meaning HBC,NWC, etc. or a trader or supplier). >> >> Over the years with all the baloney we have heard about this, many of the bigger events and associations are holding two matches, one with rear sights and one without rear sights. This maybe what you saw at the mentioned event. >> >> With everything I have researched on my personal page about tradeguns, and I mean a pile of books, articles and letters from the Museum of the Fur Trade, nothing showed anyone ordering a rear sight on a tradegun or chief's gun. I afraid what Hanson said as well as other's more knowledgeable on the subject, rear sighted tradeguns was after market as we would say today. >> >> Buck Conner >> >> > I believe I recently saw some rear sighted shooting take place at an NMLRA event >> > and was curious about whether the sights were just overlooked or whether there >> > are some overzealous judgements being made. Are we certain that fixed rear >> > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 1999 19:50:17 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight For shame, for shame, you can't swell that head with nice remarks, a nailed butt plate from a tradegun would work - only kidding Buck, you did a great job on that site. Powderhawk > > Turtle... Yer gonna swell his head... > > D > > PS..The site Has entertained me for many an hour.. He IS right.... > > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > Period Knives & Iron Accouterments > http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 > -----Original Message----- > From: turtle@uswestmail.net > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight > > > >Damn Buck, you told the boys about your years of research and your close > friend Charles Hanson and his thoughts on the matter, but left off your web > site. > > > >Check it out boys, there's lots of work that went into this information. > > > >http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html > > > >Turtle > >________________________ > >> > >> Hello Camp, > >> > >> When Charley Hanson was still at the museum in Chardon, we had this talk > about rear sights many times. I was interested as I have several originals, > one pre-1813 Sutherland tradegun has a rear sight that is part of the > barrel, not dovetailed or sweat on. It is a piece of the barrel that has > been turned up from the top flat of the barrel, cleaned up and notched. > >> > >> According to Hanson he had never found any doc. that showed manufactures > supplying or being ordered to supply rear sites, and felt that these rear > sighted guns were done after leaving the factory by company gunsmiths, > blacksmiths, etc. (company meaning HBC,NWC, etc. or a trader or supplier). > >> > >> Over the years with all the baloney we have heard about this, many of the > bigger events and associations are holding two matches, one with rear sights > and one without rear sights. This maybe what you saw at the mentioned event. > >> > >> With everything I have researched on my personal page about tradeguns, > and I mean a pile of books, articles and letters from the Museum of the Fur > Trade, nothing showed anyone ordering a rear sight on a tradegun or chief's > gun. I afraid what Hanson said as well as other's more knowledgeable on the > subject, rear sighted tradeguns was after market as we would say today. > >> > >> Buck Conner > >> > >> > I believe I recently saw some rear sighted shooting take place at an > NMLRA event > >> > and was curious about whether the sights were just overlooked or > whether there > >> > are some overzealous judgements being made. Are we certain that fixed > rear > >> > > > > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:14:13 EDT From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Smooth Bore - rear sight On Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:09:16 -0700 Tom Roberts writes: >I believe I recently saw some rear sighted shooting take place at an >NMLRA event >and was curious about whether the sights were just overlooked or >whether there >are some overzealous judgements being made. Are we certain that fixed >rear >sights were not fabricated and used by pre-1840 gunsmiths and/or gun >owners? >Forgive me if I've just kicked a well-worn topic, but I don't see all >that great >and would like to hit what I aim at while remaining appropriate. > >Tom does not matter if you can document rear sights on smooth bores---it has been a rule in NMLRA trade gun matches ever since i can remember "No Rear Sights Above the plain of the barrel" to get around this some of the guys have groved the rear of the barrel and some use the tang screw as long as it does not extend above the plain of the barrel---another good trick to use for sights is to use two fingers your pointing finger and thumb and when you hold the rifle let these two finghts come together on the barrel to form a rear sight---works for me for long range shooting---100 yd and such---hand always goes to the same place and I use the same grip---neat trick I learned from Pappy Horn---and he has won a bunch of trade gun matches at friendship and usto build a hell of a shooting trade gun--- "HAWK" Michael pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 E-mail: Hawknest4@Juno.com Phone: 1-727-771-1815 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:57:48 EDT From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Fw: Gee, is this legit? Prices are pretty low round here..and does it have anything to do with the price of beaver pelt in 1830? :) In a message dated 99-04-07 11:08:16 EDT, you write: << > >GAS OUT > > THE GREAT "GAS OUT" >It's time we did something about the price >of gasoline in America! We are all sick and >tired of high prices when there are literally >millions of gallons in storage. >Know what I found out? If there was just >ONE day when no one purchased any gasoline, >prices would drop drastically. >The so-called oil cartel has decided to >slow production by some 2 million barrels >per day to drive up the price. I have decided >to see how many Americans we can get >to NOT BUY ANY GASOLINE on one particular day! >Let's have a GAS OUT! Do not buy any gasoline >on APRIL 30, 1999!!!!! >Buy on Thursday before, or Saturday after. >Do not buy any gasoline on FRIDAY, APRIL 30, 1999. >Wanna help? Send this message to >everyone you know. Ask them to do the same. All >we need is a few million to participate in >order to make a difference. >Let me know how many you will send out. >We CAN make a difference. > >Thanks. > >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:37:53 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Fw: It has nothing to do with beaver pelts in 1830 or in 1999. It isn't = even legit. What inpact does anybody think it would have to boycott gas = stations on a given day, if on the day before everybody topped off their = tanks to be sure they had enough gas to drive around on boycott = day....and if on the day following boycott day everybody replenished the = gas they burned up on boycot day? Does anybody really think the gas = companies would even notice, never mind come crashing to their knees? = It's baderdash!!!=20 Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 2:00 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Fw:=20 >Gee, is this legit? Prices are pretty low round here..and does it have = >anything to do with the price of beaver pelt in 1830? :) > > >In a message dated 99-04-07 11:08:16 EDT, you write: > ><< > > >GAS OUT > > > > THE GREAT "GAS OUT" > >It's time we did something about the price > >of gasoline in America! We are all sick and > >tired of high prices when there are literally > >millions of gallons in storage. > >Know what I found out? If there was just > >ONE day when no one purchased any gasoline, > >prices would drop drastically. > >The so-called oil cartel has decided to > >slow production by some 2 million barrels > >per day to drive up the price. I have decided > >to see how many Americans we can get > >to NOT BUY ANY GASOLINE on one particular day! > >Let's have a GAS OUT! Do not buy any gasoline > >on APRIL 30, 1999!!!!! > >Buy on Thursday before, or Saturday after. > >Do not buy any gasoline on FRIDAY, APRIL 30, 1999. > >Wanna help? Send this message to > >everyone you know. Ask them to do the same. All > >we need is a few million to participate in > >order to make a difference. > >Let me know how many you will send out. > >We CAN make a difference. > > > >Thanks. > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #278 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.