From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #297 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, May 10 1999 Volume 01 : Number 297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:22:53 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer Mr. Noe, Charles Hanson's, "The NORTHWEST GUN" has several notations and a couple of pictures of Deringer's productions. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: George Noe To: hist_ text Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 10:14 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer > Mr. Mullen:( and others on the list) > Thanks for your help with Treaties. > I, like you, think Deringer's records are where I need to look.(I > thought the treaty end of the search would justify our reason for > needing to find Deringers records) > Douglas Jones(AMM) said he found a little on Deringer > and this contract several years ago. But , lost or missed placed, the > info. He is wanting to develope a "persona" of an early S.W. > Trader/Trapper(about 1830) > In Grant Forman's "Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest"(A good book) > University of Nebraska Press. > There was plenty of trading/trapping in our area(South Central > Oklahoma) and all around. > "Doug has a Deringer (reproduction) that he might have > traded from one of the Indians in the area, to justify > his possesion of the rifle." In his presentations of "Living History" > at schools, he wants to have a little Indian history of the area. > Thus " a new CAN of worms" > > > Any help in tracing down Deringers records? > Let's go fishing!!!! > > === > George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:22:53 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer Mr. Noe, Charles Hanson's, "The NORTHWEST GUN" has several notations and a couple of pictures of Deringer's productions. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: George Noe To: hist_ text Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 10:14 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer > Mr. Mullen:( and others on the list) > Thanks for your help with Treaties. > I, like you, think Deringer's records are where I need to look.(I > thought the treaty end of the search would justify our reason for > needing to find Deringers records) > Douglas Jones(AMM) said he found a little on Deringer > and this contract several years ago. But , lost or missed placed, the > info. He is wanting to develope a "persona" of an early S.W. > Trader/Trapper(about 1830) > In Grant Forman's "Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest"(A good book) > University of Nebraska Press. > There was plenty of trading/trapping in our area(South Central > Oklahoma) and all around. > "Doug has a Deringer (reproduction) that he might have > traded from one of the Indians in the area, to justify > his possesion of the rifle." In his presentations of "Living History" > at schools, he wants to have a little Indian history of the area. > Thus " a new CAN of worms" > > > Any help in tracing down Deringers records? > Let's go fishing!!!! > > === > George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:34:12 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! I will consider myself duly chastised and will refrain from forwarding any additional "warnings". My apologies. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank To: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 1:08 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! > Lanny, > > I'm no expert either. Sounds right to me. I think "attached files" are the culprit. > For those who think it's a harmless event to send "false" warnings, there is a cost to us all! > The problem with forwarding "hoax" warnings is that the exponential glutting of the bandwidth is something we can do without. If everyone on this list alone forwarded this warning to everyone in their address book and they intern their's...well, you can only imagine the thousands if not hundreds of thousands of needless messages clogging up the internet from only one warning. I've had in the neighborhood > of 30-40 "warnings" this year so far. All hoaxes and it took only 1 1/2 - 2 minutes to check it out. The people who forward warnings are sincere and concerned for us all and that is appreciated. I'm sure not upset nor do I blame anyone. Just passing on what I have learned. We all have a lot to learn about computers and the Internet. I still think it's all done with smoke and mirrors! > Lest I get chewed out for being "off topic" I'd better not say anymore on this one. > > Medicine Bear > > > Ratcliff wrote: > > > Frank > > Thanks for the address for the virus hoaxes. I am no expert about viruses or hoaxes, but every one (read "100%) of those whom I believe to be experts have assured me that no damage can be caused by opening any e-mail message...including messages with actual viruses embedded in them. Damage can occur only if you install the infected message into your computer memory. Do you concur with that opinion? > > Lanney Ratcliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Frank > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 2:18 PM > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > John, > > > > > > Many many times you will see these warnings coming through your e-mail. As I > > > advise all my friends, please check them out before sending these all across > > > the internet world. This is a hoax. > > > Please see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html > > > If you have good virus protection software and keep it updated you have very > > > little to worry about. If you get a warning from someone, go to Symantec's or > > > McAfee's web site and check it out, I'll bet my best Hawken, 99 out of 100 are > > > hoaxes. > > > Hope this helps... > > > > > > Medicine Bear > > > > > > "john c. funk,jr" wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John C. Funk > > > > To: ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; ; ; > > > > ; > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 9:43 AM > > > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver; "a Bug's Life - > > > > > BUGGLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!! Your hard > > > > > drive will crash and someone from the internet will get your screen name > > > > > and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUM- > > > > > STANCES!!! It just went circulation on May fifth, as far as we know. > > > > > Please > > > > > distribute/inform this message. This is a new and very malicious virus > > > > > and > > > > > not many people know about it yet. This information was announced > > > > > on May sixth by Microsoft. Please share it with everyone who might have > > > > > access to the Internet. Also do not open or even look at any mail that > > > > > says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER". This virus will attach > > > > > itself to your computer components and render them useless. Immediately > > > > > delete mail items that say this. AOL has also announced that this is a > > > > > very > > > > > dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. > > > > > > > > > > PASS THIS ON !!! > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > > > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > > > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 19:28:19 -0700 From: Frank Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! Naw...not chastised! Just informed! We all jes sharin' stuff! I'd never chastise a feller what can shoot center! :o) MB "john c. funk,jr" wrote: > I will consider myself duly chastised and will refrain from forwarding any > additional "warnings". My apologies. > John Funk > > - ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 1999 19:32:14 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Challenge of the Trail REVIEW Hawk, I don't sell the tapes, as far as I know only the Rocky Mountain College Productions are the only ones that handle them. Other than wanting to see what they did on edibles (which I feel could have been lengthened to do something like Baker did in his last tape). Having furnished the edibles for both these groups - Baker and Housler, I think Mark did the better job in that area. But for the rest of Jeff and Wes's work on this tape they cover a lot of information with the horse, camp and equipage, I feel it's a little crude in places, but hell their not professionals either and this is only #2, Mark's first three were equal to this one. Yes I feel it was worth while for what I wanted to get out of it, others may feel different. I'll watch my copy many times just because I happen to get a kick out of these two old friends. Buck ___________________________ > On Sun, 09 May 1999, Michael Pierce wrote: > > buck what are you getting for the tape---would like to view it myself and > would give you my impression---would pay for a copy--- > "Hawk" > Michael Pierce > 854 Glenfield Dr. > Palm Harbor, florida 34684 > 1-(727) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:00:10 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE9A6F.87FFFAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a query for those with medical expertise. I am bothered by = altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 = feet...and I have been told by several people that altitude sickness can = be controlled by drinking lots of water...that the water not only keeps = you hydrated properly, but it also supplies the body with some oxygen. = "You gotta drink your oxygen." I know I feel better at high altitude = when I drink lots of water. Why? Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE9A6F.87FFFAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a query for those with medical expertise.  I am = bothered by=20 altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 = feet...and I=20 have been told by several people that altitude sickness can be = controlled by=20 drinking lots of water...that the water not only keeps you hydrated = properly,=20 but it also supplies the body with some oxygen.  "You gotta drink = your=20 oxygen."  I know I feel better at high altitude when I drink lots = of=20 water.  Why?
Lanney Ratcliff
- ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01BE9A6F.87FFFAE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:50:40 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 - --------------9EADDD385E8517A41AF70CA2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ratcliff wrote: > I have a query for those with medical expertise. I am bothered by > altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 > feet...and I have been told by several people that altitude sickness > can be controlled by drinking lots of water...that the water not only > keeps you hydrated properly, but it also supplies the body with some > oxygen. "You gotta drink your oxygen." I know I feel better at high > altitude when I drink lots of water. Why?Lanney Ratcliff > > Lanney, > > I won't claim to have any real medical experience other than what I > got in EMT training in the Fire Dept. and my exposure to the > Paramedics on the Dept that came after us EMT's but I will offer the > following until someone with more knowledge comes along. > > Your body performs all funtions better when properly hydrated. Blood > flows where it needs to be more easily, metabolism is more efficient, > waste materials are eliminated more efficiently, etc. > > So dehydration all by itself don't do you no good. When we camp or > trek, one of the biggest problems is getting enough pure liquids into > our bodies. Water is heavy to pack and when we mix it with tea, coffee > and alcohol we dehidrate ourselves even more because those "polutants" > are diaretic in effect on our systems, (makes us pee a lot). > > One trick that we've been trying with some success in recent years > where we go from 500' in Eastern Wa. to 8000'+ in the Rockies is to > take an Alka-seltser tablet each day for a week or two before the > trip, along with lots of water. It seems to help with the sudden > change in altitude. And don't ask me why it works, it just does. Come > to think of it, plain asprin might work too, thins the blood! In fact > it is fairly common practice to take a half an asprin to reduce your > vulnrability to sudden heart attack and stroke these days. Keeps the > blood flowing and reduces infamation and if I ever have the symptoms > of a stroke or heart attack, the second thing I will do after first > dialing 911 will be to pop an asprin. Basic preventitive medicine. > Don't wait until you are at 8000' before you start doing something > about it. Hope I'm not too far off the mark but that's what I know > about it. I remain...... > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' - --------------9EADDD385E8517A41AF70CA2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Ratcliff wrote:

  I have a query for those with medical expertise.  I am bothered by altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 feet...and I have been told by several people that altitude sickness can be controlled by drinking lots of water...that the water not only keeps you hydrated properly, but it also supplies the body with some oxygen.  "You gotta drink your oxygen."  I know I feel better at high altitude when I drink lots of water.  Why?Lanney Ratcliff

Lanney,

I won't claim to have any real medical experience other than what I got in EMT training in the Fire Dept. and my exposure to the Paramedics on the Dept that came after us EMT's but I will offer the following until someone with more knowledge comes along.

Your body performs all funtions better when properly hydrated. Blood flows where it needs to be more easily, metabolism is more efficient, waste materials are eliminated more efficiently, etc.

So dehydration all by itself don't do you no good. When we camp or trek, one of the biggest problems is getting enough pure liquids into our bodies. Water is heavy to pack and when we mix it with tea, coffee and alcohol we dehidrate ourselves even more because those "polutants" are diaretic in effect on our systems, (makes us pee a lot).

One trick that we've been trying with some success in recent years where we go from 500' in Eastern Wa. to 8000'+ in the Rockies is to take an Alka-seltser tablet each day for a week or two before the trip, along with lots of water. It seems to help with the sudden change in altitude. And don't ask me why it works, it just does. Come to think of it, plain asprin might work too, thins the blood! In fact it is fairly common practice to take a half an asprin to reduce your vulnrability to sudden heart attack and stroke these days. Keeps the blood flowing and reduces infamation and if I ever have the symptoms of a stroke or heart attack, the second thing I will do after first dialing 911 will be to pop an asprin. Basic preventitive medicine. Don't wait until you are at 8000' before you start doing something about it. Hope I'm not too far off the mark but that's what I know about it. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

  - --------------9EADDD385E8517A41AF70CA2-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:51:08 EDT From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 Altitude sickness Water is needed at high altitudes because you breath faster (trying to get more oxygen) which prompts the body to dehydrates faster. Lack of body fluid cause dizziness and headaches - which are also symptoms of high altitude sickness. In severe cases you can have brain swelling - nasty business. Best to drink a liter or so of water..trek slowly, and listen to your body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:50:01 -0400 From: Jennifer McEntire Subject: MtMan-List: Maps again As a researcher/writer for a museum exhibit design firm, I am seeking to be as accurate as possible in the details I am developing for a museum which will include an aspect of Mountain Man and Native American cultures. I was told that the users of this list would be able to help me with some fact-finding. Earlier, I mailed you about the materials used by MM for mapmaking. However, I think my message got caught up in the rantings of a dissatisfied list member who seemed to be very closed minded about this great communication you've got going. So I'll try again... We are reconstructing a map which should look as though it was constructed by either Native Americans or Mountain Men, and are trying to decide the materials to use. Buckskin, paper, bark, etc. Any advice? Here's your big chance to show up the Harvard Map Collection, who didn't know much about this topic. Thank you so much! ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 1999 07:20:39 -0700 From: Subject: MtMan-List: "Polycythemia" mountain sickness Lanney, Maybe you need to sit down and have a talk with someone about your "atitude", can see having problems when standing, and being in a higher altitude (height problem). Now that I said that and will probably pay for it at the Nationals along with everthing else we have made fun of with the "Spud Gun". "Polycythemia" is the medical name for your problem, has to do with red cell count in the blood when changing your surrounding (going higher or lower in altitude). I read that people that live in high altitudes (above 10,000 ft.) have an increased number of red cells because the amount of oxygen in the air at this altitude is decreased, therefore the body reacts with increased red cell production. Those people move to a lower altitude, their polycythemia disappears, over a period of time. So people going to high altitude not use to it may bring on the so-called "mountain sickness" do to having lower blood flow or red cells, usually by inadequate oxygen from the thin air. I have heard that to avoid the "sickness" approach the higher altitudes slowly for your body to adapt itself, that's hard to do when traveling on land, in a plane its done with pressure adjustments. Drink lots of liquids, as mentioned water is the best, booze will seem to take less than usual for the same effect, anyone with health problems, over weight, etc. should see their doctor before changing to extreme altitudes as a safety measure. There are medicines available to help relieve the problem, can't remember what they were now, used to take in out of state hunters when living in Masonville CO and ones from lower to sea level altitudes did have problems, from headaches to sick in their stomach to not being able to walk any distances. Check your doctor Lanney, I know there are pills available that seem to help. YF&B Buck Conner Baker Party / Colorado - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: AMM Cc: History List Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: AMM-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 I have a query for those with medical expertise. I am bothered by altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 feet...and I have been told by several people that altitude sickness can be controlled by drinking lots of water...that the water not only keeps you hydrated properly, but it also supplies the body with some oxygen. "You gotta drink your oxygen." I know I feel better at high altitude when I drink lots of water. Why? Lanney Ratcliff Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:19:24 -0700 From: "Kurt Westenbarger" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 - --------------487D0EE9AC1970FEF02FE428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very Good info Roger. I live in West Yellowstone MT el. 6666ft (easy to remember) and teach a bunch of Elderhostels up here. That is: classes for people over 55 years. I get several people a year who develop altitude problems at 6666ft even though much of the stuff you read about the illness claim there's no problem below 8000ft. I send my people to Bozeman (4000ft) and they recover very nicely. Also - as people get older thier tolerance to altitude stress seems to lessen so someone who had problems at 8000ft two years ago may have difficulty at 6000ft today. There's no doubt that drinking lots of water and staying away from diuretics such as caffeen and alcohol (coffee, beer, etc - bummer) helps. Roger Lahti wrote: > > > Ratcliff wrote: > >> I have a query for those with medical expertise. I am bothered by >> altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 >> feet...and I have been told by several people that altitude sickness >> can be controlled by drinking lots of water...that the water not >> only keeps you hydrated properly, but it also supplies the body with >> some oxygen. "You gotta drink your oxygen." I know I feel better >> at high altitude when I drink lots of water. Why?Lanney Ratcliff >> >> Lanney, >> >> I won't claim to have any real medical experience other than what I >> got in EMT training in the Fire Dept. and my exposure to the >> Paramedics on the Dept that came after us EMT's but I will offer the >> following until someone with more knowledge comes along. >> >> Your body performs all funtions better when properly hydrated. Blood >> flows where it needs to be more easily, metabolism is more >> efficient, waste materials are eliminated more efficiently, etc. >> >> So dehydration all by itself don't do you no good. When we camp or >> trek, one of the biggest problems is getting enough pure liquids >> into our bodies. Water is heavy to pack and when we mix it with tea, >> coffee and alcohol we dehidrate ourselves even more because those >> "polutants" are diaretic in effect on our systems, (makes us pee a >> lot). >> >> One trick that we've been trying with some success in recent years >> where we go from 500' in Eastern Wa. to 8000'+ in the Rockies is to >> take an Alka-seltser tablet each day for a week or two before the >> trip, along with lots of water. It seems to help with the sudden >> change in altitude. And don't ask me why it works, it just does. >> Come to think of it, plain asprin might work too, thins the blood! >> In fact it is fairly common practice to take a half an asprin to >> reduce your vulnrability to sudden heart attack and stroke these >> days. Keeps the blood flowing and reduces infamation and if I ever >> have the symptoms of a stroke or heart attack, the second thing I >> will do after first dialing 911 will be to pop an asprin. Basic >> preventitive medicine. Don't wait until you are at 8000' before you >> start doing something about it. Hope I'm not too far off the mark >> but that's what I know about it. I remain...... >> >> YMOS >> Capt. Lahti' > - --------------487D0EE9AC1970FEF02FE428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
Very Good info Roger.  I live in West Yellowstone MT el. 6666ft (easy to remember) and teach a bunch of Elderhostels up here.  That is: classes for people over 55 years.  I get several people a year who develop altitude problems at 6666ft even though much of the stuff you read about the illness claim there's no problem below 8000ft.  I send my people to Bozeman (4000ft) and they recover very nicely.  Also - - as people get older thier tolerance to altitude stress seems to lessen so someone who had problems at 8000ft two years ago may have difficulty at 6000ft today.  There's no doubt that drinking lots of water and staying away from diuretics such as caffeen and alcohol (coffee, beer, etc - bummer) helps.

Roger Lahti wrote:

 

Ratcliff wrote:

I have a query for those with medical expertise.  I am bothered by altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 feet...and I have been told by several people that altitude sickness can be controlled by drinking lots of water...that the water not only keeps you hydrated properly, but it also supplies the body with some oxygen.  "You gotta drink your oxygen."  I know I feel better at high altitude when I drink lots of water.  Why?Lanney Ratcliff

Lanney,

I won't claim to have any real medical experience other than what I got in EMT training in the Fire Dept. and my exposure to the Paramedics on the Dept that came after us EMT's but I will offer the following until someone with more knowledge comes along.

Your body performs all funtions better when properly hydrated. Blood flows where it needs to be more easily, metabolism is more efficient, waste materials are eliminated more efficiently, etc.

So dehydration all by itself don't do you no good. When we camp or trek, one of the biggest problems is getting enough pure liquids into our bodies. Water is heavy to pack and when we mix it with tea, coffee and alcohol we dehidrate ourselves even more because those "polutants" are diaretic in effect on our systems, (makes us pee a lot).

One trick that we've been trying with some success in recent years where we go from 500' in Eastern Wa. to 8000'+ in the Rockies is to take an Alka-seltser tablet each day for a week or two before the trip, along with lots of water. It seems to help with the sudden change in altitude. And don't ask me why it works, it just does. Come to think of it, plain asprin might work too, thins the blood! In fact it is fairly common practice to take a half an asprin to reduce your vulnrability to sudden heart attack and stroke these days. Keeps the blood flowing and reduces infamation and if I ever have the symptoms of a stroke or heart attack, the second thing I will do after first dialing 911 will be to pop an asprin. Basic preventitive medicine. Don't wait until you are at 8000' before you start doing something about it. Hope I'm not too far off the mark but that's what I know about it. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

- --------------487D0EE9AC1970FEF02FE428-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:33:00 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 It's the asprin in the alka selfser that does it. One asprin a day does the same thing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:27:06 -0700 From: Kent Duryee Subject: MtMan-List: Robert D. Reeves Greetings; I recently wrote to the list requesting information on a Kentucky style flintlock that I have. Michael Pierce was kind enough to read through a detailed description of the gun, and he recommended that I post a general question to the list. The rifle was made for my dad by Robert D. Reeves of Lancaster, California in 1967. Its craftsmanship and beauty are readily apparent, as the gun is in wonderful condition thanks to years of care from my dad, who passed away in 1989. I was wondering if any of you might be able to supply me with any more information about Mr. Reeves and his rifles. Apparently he was well known in certain circles, especially in Southern California. I remember visiting him in his garage/workshop during the time he was making my dad's rifle, but I was only 6 or 7 at the time and don't really remember any details about the man or his work. It would be wonderful to have a small biography of the man who put so much obvious care and meticulous consideration to detail into the crafting of the rifle to accompany it as the gun moves through its own history. If anyone can supply me with any information, I would sincerely appreciate it. Thank you again, Kent Duryee - -- ____________________________________ "...May the Great Sun dazzle your eyes by day and the Great Bear watch over you by night." - - - Ed Abbey- - ____________________________________ monolake@coyote.csusm.edu Kent Duryee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:26:08 EDT From: BADITUDE1@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Polycythemia" mountain sickness Definition: An abnormal increase in blood cells (primarily red blood cells) resulting from increased production by the bone marrow. Causes, incidence, and risk factors: Polycythemia Vera is an acquired disorder of the bone marrow, which causes an overproduction of all three blood cell lines: white blood cells, red blood cells, and platelets. It is a rare disorder, occurring more frequently in men, and is rarely seen in those under 40 years old. Its cause is unknown, and the disease is considered a hematologic malignancy. Polycythemia is not a joke nor is it easily remedied, unless you know more than the hematology oncologist that I have seen. There is an approximate life expectancy of 10-15 years, which is not that long if it is YOUR life you are talking about. The chances are slim of getting hit by a truck, but that is always the come back about not knowing how long you will live... You really struck a cord with me since I just found out that I have Polycythemia and I am not male, over 50 nor Jewish, so I have no idea how long I will last, but If all it took were to live in high altitude I think JR and I would pack up and leave So. Cal. In a heart beat. So if you have any documentation, let me know. JR's other half, Eileen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:01:40 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 At 10:33 AM 5/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >It's the asprin in the alka selfser that does it.=A0 One asprin a day do= es the=20 >same thing >=20 Chewing the inner bark of willow or dogwood will do the same and is a mor= e correct method for our period. John... Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:37:27 -0700 From: "Kurt Westenbarger" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickness just got off the phone with a doctor freind who says aspirin and the like only helps the symptoms of altitude sickness while the body adapts - it doesn't help the body adapt. anyway he sent me the following which me thinks comes from the NOLS (National Outdoor Leadership School) wilderness first aid book. Thought I'd pass it on. Kurt Introduction Each year approximately 6,000 people climb Mount Rainierelevation 14,408 feet. Another 6,000 trek to the base of Mount Everest, reaching altitudes of 18,000 feet, and 800 people attempt to climb Denali-elevation 20,320 feet. Skiers in the Rocky Mountains often ski at altitudes of 11,000 to 12,000 feet; many arrive at altitude and ski within 24 hours of leaving low elevations. Thousands of people trek in Nepal, South America and Africa every year at altitudes of over 13,000 feet. All of these people are at risk for altitude illness. Recent studies show that 66 percent of the climbers on Rainier, 47 percent of the Everest trekkers, and 30 percent of the Denali climbers develop symptoms of altitude illness. NOLS expeditions have managed life-threatening cerebral edema at 21,000 feet on Cerro Aconcagua in Argentina and pulmonary edema at 9,000 feet in Wyoming's Wind River Range. Prevention through acclimatization provides some protection from altitude illness, but there is no immunity. If you travel in mountains you need to know how to prevent, recognize and treat altitude illness. Lack of oxygen is the number one cause of health problems at altitude. Normally, oxygen diffuses from the alveoli into the blood because the gas pressure is greater in the alveoli than in blood. At altitude, diminished air pressure (barometric pressure) reduces the pressure in the alveoli and decreases the amount of oxygen diffusing into the blood. For example, in a healthy person at sea level, blood is 95 percent saturated with oxygen. At 18,000 feet it is only 71 percent saturated; i.e., it is carrying 29 percent less oxygen. As altitude increases, barometric pressure falls logarithmically. Distance from the equator, seasons and weather also affect barometric pressure. The greater the distance from the equator, the lower the barometric pressure, given the same elevation. For example, if Mt. Everest were located at the same latitude as Denali, the corresponding drop in barometric pressure would make an ascent without oxygen impossible. As for seasons and weather, air pressure is lower in winter than in summer, and a low pressure trough will reduce pressure. While temperature does not directly affect barometric pressure, the combination of cold stress and lack of oxygen increases the risk of cold injuries and altitude problems. Adaptation to Altitude The body undergoes numerous changes at higher elevation in order to increase oxygen delivery to cells and improve efficiency of oxygen use. These adaptations usually begin almost immediately and continue to occur for several weeks. People vary in their ability to acclimatize. Some adjust quickly while others fail to acclimatize, even with gradual exposure over a period of weeks. In general, the body becomes approximately 80 percent acclimatized after 10 days at altitude and approximately 95 percent acclimatized by six weeks. The respiratory rate peaks in about one week and then slowly decreases over the next few months, although it tends to remain higher than its normal rate at sea level. After 10 days, the heart rate starts to decrease. When we descend, we begin losing our hard-won adaptations at approximately the same rate at which we gained them; 10 days after returning to sea level, we have lost 80 percent of our adaptations. The three common types of altitude illness are acute mountain sickness (AMS), high altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE) and high altitude cerebral edema (HACE). AMS is the most common. It is not life-threatening, but if not treated it call progress into HAPE or HACE. HAPE is less common but more serious. HACE is rare but can be sudden and severe. Acute Mountain Sickness Acute mountain sickness is a term applied to a group of symptoms. It is more apt to occur in unacclimatized people who make rapid ascents to above 8,000 feet. It also occurs in people who partially acclimatize then make an abrupt ascent to 0 higher altitude. Signs and Symptoms Signs and symptoms tend to start six to 72 hours after arrival at high altitude. They usually disappear in two to six days Symptoms are worse in the mornings, probably due to normal decrease in rate and depth of breathing during sleep, which lowers blood oxygen saturation. Symptoms include the following Headache Increased cerebral blood flow helps the brain maintain its oxygen supply, but the expanded volume causes pain as the system adapts. Malaise Malaise (uneasy feeling), drowsiness and lassitude occur because of decreased oxygen in the blood. Loss of Appetite, Nausea and Vomiting When blood is shunted to the vital organs (heart, lungs, brain), perfusion of the gastrointestinal tract decreases, compromising its function. Anorexia, nausea and vomiting are the result. Peripheral Edema Persons with acute mountain sickness tend to retain fluid, resulting in edema, especially of the face and hands. Disturbed Sleep During sleep, a person's rate and depth of respiration may gradually increase until it reaches a climax. Breathing then ceases entirely for five to 50 seconds. This phenomenon is called Cheyne-Stokes respiration. Cheyne-Stokes breathing further decreases the level of oxygen in the blood. Cyanosis Cyanosis (a bluish appearance) in the fingernail beds, mucous membranes and around the mouth occurs as a result of decreased oxygen saturation of the blood. Treatment Limit your activity during the first three days at altitudes greater, than 8,000 feet; it may take three to four days to acclimatize. Drink copious amounts of fluids to help the kidneys excrete bicarbonate. Aspirin, acetaminophen or ibuprofen may ease the headache. If symptoms worsen, signs of ataxia or pulmonary' edema become apparent or there is a change in the level of consciousness, descend to the altitude where symptoms began. Usually descending 2,000 to 3,000 feet is sufficient. John Kramer wrote: > At 10:33 AM 5/10/99 -0400, you wrote: > >It's the asprin in the alka selfser that does it. One asprin a day does the > >same thing > > > > Chewing the inner bark of willow or dogwood will do the same and is a more > correct method for our period. > > John... > > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. > John Kramer ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #297 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.