From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #298 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, May 11 1999 Volume 01 : Number 298 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:42:58 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Maps again I have seen some old maps made by Native Americans in the research I am doing. Didn't pay much attention to them, but they were made of soft tan hide and were painted using the same materials as the sketch books. That is, paint, charcoal, Ink and some colored pencils. There was no writing on them. Just land marks. Linda Holley Jennifer McEntire wrote: > As a researcher/writer for a museum exhibit design firm, I am seeking to > be as accurate as possible in the details I am developing for a museum > which will include an aspect of Mountain Man and Native American > cultures. I was told that the users of this list would be able to help > me with some fact-finding. > > Earlier, I mailed you about the materials used by MM for mapmaking. > However, I think my message got caught up in the rantings of a > dissatisfied list member who seemed to be very closed minded about this > great communication you've got going. So I'll try again... > > We are reconstructing a map which should look as though it was > constructed by either Native Americans or Mountain Men, and are trying > to decide the materials to use. Buckskin, paper, bark, etc. Any advice? > Here's your big chance to show up the Harvard Map Collection, who didn't > know much about this topic. > > Thank you so much! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:44:35 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Yep Crow (not Blackfeet) I would probably say Kiowa, not Blackfeet. Linda Holley JON MARINETTI wrote: > [Image] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:23:28 -0400 From: Bob Spencer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Polycythemia" mountain sickness >Polycythemia Vera is an acquired >disorder of the bone marrow, which causes an overproduction of all three >blood cell lines: white blood cells, red blood cells, and platelets. > It is a rare disorder, occurring more frequently in men, and is rarely seen >in those under 40 years old. Its cause is unknown, and the disease is >considered a hematologic malignancy. True, but that's not what is being discussed, here. The pivotal word is that "vera". There are many perfectly normal reasons why a person can develope a "relative" polycythemia, that are in no way pathological. For instance, when the olympics were held in Mexico City, which is a mile high, the athletes from low regions made every effort to go there weeks early to train, so that their bodies might have time to develope the normal polycythemia that goes with living at high altitude. Their blood counts would quickly return to their usual level once they returned home. The reason most people going suddenly to high altitude will feel much better after 3-4-5 days is that their bodies dump huge quantities of new red cells into their circulation and bring their oxygen utilization capacities back somewhere near normal. Again, this isn't 'polycythemia vera', which is a disease. It's a normal adaptive process our bodies use, and happens to all of us very frequently if we travel much betweens regions of different altitudes. Bob Spencer ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 99 16:40:13 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: MtMan-List: Altitude Lanney - Moving here from Oklahoma, I had to make some adjustments right at first, so here are a few suggestions. Some came from my wife, the Native Coloradoan. Take an aspirin a day for a couple of weeks before you get here. When you get to camp, do lots of laying around and taking it easy, especially for the first few days. Go to a supply house and rent an oxygen bottle to bring with you. Whenever you feel the need, go to your tent and inhale. Even if someone sees it and trys to raise a fuss, it is medicinal. I'm quite sure there won't be any problem, but if you need to, clear it with George or Gordon first. Hope this helps and if you need to aclimate for a few days at a higher altitude, you know where to do so, don't you? Don & Phyllis DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 1999 15:45:25 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Altitude Don, I think he has the laying around part down pretty good and he's always got a headache (so the aspirin a day is covered). He just has to change his brand of bottle, he's ready for the altitude. Buck > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Phyllis and Don Keas wrote: > > Lanney - Moving here from Oklahoma, I had to make some adjustments > right at first, so here are a few suggestions. Some came from my wife, the > Native Coloradoan. > > Take an aspirin a day for a couple of weeks before you get here. > When you get to camp, do lots of laying around and taking it easy, > especially for the first few days. > Go to a supply house and rent an oxygen bottle to bring with you. > Whenever you feel the need, go to your tent and inhale. Even if someone sees it > and trys to raise a fuss, it is medicinal. I'm quite sure there won't be > any problem, but if you need to, clear it with George or Gordon first. > > Hope this helps and if you need to aclimate for a few days at a higher > altitude, you know where to do so, don't you? Don & Phyllis > > DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:44:10 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Yep Crow (not Blackfeet) They's Crow!!! That's what he said!! "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Linda Holley To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 4:35 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Yep Crow (not Blackfeet) >I would probably say Kiowa, not Blackfeet. > >Linda Holley > >JON MARINETTI wrote: > >> [Image] > > > ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 1999 15:51:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Polycythemia" mountain sickness Being near Denver, it's a mile high, many sport teams come early to practice before the game and get adjusted to the thin air. If you watch baseball, basketball or football you'll see the vistors with their bottles of oxygen and masks on the sidelines. I have a friend that's a long distance runner, he flys at this altitude, but when going to Boston the altitude change and humidity almost killed him the last few miles of the race. Your damned if you do and damned if you don't anymore. Buck Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:05:48 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Maps again OK here i go again, the only map i ve found was in the missouri his.society's library done by a indian was been made of paper, Some maps with a canvas backing.But most of the maps i have seen are on paper.I have been into maps and repro.them for about ten years .I came across one by george sibley going to santa fe on paper i think it was in the late 1820's.write to me off line at traphand@aol.com tell what grade this is for hope this little helps. rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:12:38 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Polycythemia" mountain sickness Buck I might have you comedians come for supper one evening and have taters = roasted in the hot ashes......let you wonder why they taste funny. Lanney ps: Thanks for the info on the altitude sickness. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 9:20 AM Subject: MtMan-List: "Polycythemia" mountain sickness > Lanney, > =20 > Maybe you need to sit down and have a talk with someone about your = "atitude", can see having problems when standing, and being in a higher = altitude (height problem). Now that I said that and will probably pay = for it at the Nationals along with everthing else we have made fun of = with the "Spud Gun". > =20 > "Polycythemia" is the medical name for your problem, has to do with = red cell count in the blood when changing your surrounding (going higher = or lower in altitude). > =20 > I read that people that live in high altitudes (above 10,000 ft.) have = an increased number of red cells because the amount of oxygen in the air = at this altitude is decreased, therefore the body reacts with increased = red cell production. Those people move to a lower altitude, their = polycythemia disappears, over a period of time. > =20 > So people going to high altitude not use to it may bring on the = so-called "mountain sickness" do to having lower blood flow or red = cells, usually by inadequate oxygen from the thin air. I have heard that = to avoid the "sickness" approach the higher altitudes slowly for your = body to adapt itself, that's hard to do when traveling on land, in a = plane its done with pressure adjustments. > =20 > Drink lots of liquids, as mentioned water is the best, booze will seem = to take less than usual for the same effect, anyone with health = problems, over weight, etc. should see their doctor before changing to = extreme altitudes as a safety measure. There are medicines available to = help relieve the problem, can't remember what they were now, used to = take in out of state hunters when living in Masonville CO and ones from = lower to sea level altitudes did have problems, from headaches to sick = in their stomach to not being able to walk any distances. Check your = doctor Lanney, I know there are pills available that seem to help. > =20 > YF&B > Buck Conner > Baker Party / Colorado >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ratcliff > To: AMM > Cc: History List > Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 9:55 PM > Subject: AMM-List: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:59:02 -0500 >=20 >=20 > I have a query for those with medical expertise. I am bothered by = altitude sickness above 8000 or 8500 feet.....my town is elev. 659 = feet...and I have been told by several people that altitude sickness can = be controlled by drinking lots of water...that the water not only keeps = you hydrated properly, but it also supplies the body with some oxygen. = "You gotta drink your oxygen." I know I feel better at high altitude = when I drink lots of water. Why? > Lanney Ratcliff >=20 >=20 >=20 > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account = http://www.uswestmail.net >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:26:19 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BE9B2B.BEA165E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding = altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the = '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have = experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this time. = One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody = field dress me before hauling me down the mountain. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BE9B2B.BEA165E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to all who generously responded with good information = regarding=20 altitude sickness.  I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at = the '97=20 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced = similar=20 symptoms.  I hope to have better luck this time.  One request: = if I=20 get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me = before=20 hauling me down the mountain.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
- ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BE9B2B.BEA165E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:26:15 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query - --------------2C23EE6A35108030671E009E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ratcliff wrote: > Thanks to all who generously responded with good information > regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 > feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low > altitudes have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better > luck this time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, > don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the > mountain.YMOSLanney Ratcliff > > Lanney: > > The only way anyone is gona haul you down the mountain is if they > field dress you first! Course if we was near a creek we could make you > into a bull boat and the whole camp could go to town to see what your > problem was. Best trick to get by the altitude sickness is to take a > young probie with you to do camp chores for a few days while you get > climatized. I remain...... > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' - --------------2C23EE6A35108030671E009E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Ratcliff wrote:

  Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding altitude sickness.  I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced similar symptoms.  I hope to have better luck this time.  One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain.YMOSLanney Ratcliff

Lanney:

The only way anyone is gona haul you down the mountain is if they field dress you first! Course if we was near a creek we could make you into a bull boat and the whole camp could go to town to see what your problem was. Best trick to get by the altitude sickness is to take a young probie with you to do camp chores for a few days while you get climatized. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

  - --------------2C23EE6A35108030671E009E-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:44:56 -0700 From: Laurel huber Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Maps again Most of the maps I have seen drawn by European/American explorers were either done on paper or horn. The journals of Lewis and Clark contain many examples of partial maps as do the writings of other period explorers. This work used black ink on white paper of high cloth content. Both the ink and paper of surviving examples have "browned" in color. The horn art of scrimshaw is a good source of map drawings. This work was carved into powder horns and many fine examples exist from the 18th and 19th centuries. The most recent example of a map drawn by indigenous people in America was carved on the side of a rock face in Arizona. It (apparently) depicted the twisting and turns of the river that ran along its base. When I say "recent" I am referring to my viewing and not the ancient carving of these rock dwellers. In the Great Lakes area where I was raised, Ojibway people used birth bark often as material for documentation. Although I do not remember seeing what would pass for an actual map, if a portable example was needed, bark would have been a commonly used material at hand. As far as the use of leather for this work, you could look at the art painted on elk and buffalo robes. The topographical drawings on this material as well as the designs on rawhide bags was meant to be more symbolic rather than directional in nature. If you merely want to create the "look" of a map for display rather than an actual museum reproduction, I would recommend looking in journals or on the sides of powder horns for the type of drawing used to describe maps during this period. Art work by Native Americans when depicting maps is very stylized and often angular in design. If the map maker was an explorer, use paper, quill and ink. If it is to represent the work of an indigenous native, use bark painted with stick or "brush". I hope this was helpful. For specific examples, I'm sure others on the list can quote chapter and verse better than I. Good luck. Thanks for asking rather than just doing whatever "felt" good. Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber Jennifer McEntire wrote: > As a researcher/writer for a museum exhibit design firm, I am seeking to > be as accurate as possible in the details I am developing for a museum > which will include an aspect of Mountain Man and Native American > cultures. I was told that the users of this list would be able to help > me with some fact-finding. > > Earlier, I mailed you about the materials used by MM for mapmaking. > However, I think my message got caught up in the rantings of a > dissatisfied list member who seemed to be very closed minded about this > great communication you've got going. So I'll try again... > > We are reconstructing a map which should look as though it was > constructed by either Native Americans or Mountain Men, and are trying > to decide the materials to use. Buckskin, paper, bark, etc. Any advice? > Here's your big chance to show up the Harvard Map Collection, who didn't > know much about this topic. > > Thank you so much! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:55:35 +1200 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Polycythemia" mountain sickness Buck wrote: >Being near Denver, it's a mile high, many sport teams come early to practice before the game and get adjusted to the thin air. If you watch baseball, basketball or football you'll see the vistors with their bottles of oxygen and masks on the sidelines. If they walked there or road a horse or wagon as in the old days they would arrive fit with no altitude problems, a bit late is all. > YMOS Cutfinger. Friendships made. Problems shared. Campfires across the Wilderness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:56:35 EDT From: MIA3WOLVES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: OFF TOPIC: altitude sickness caution Fellow list members: I would like to caution anyone with a heart condition to be particularly careful when traveling through the mountains if they come from the lower elevations. Even though my father's doctor in Mich. advised him that he could travel to his winter home in Ariz., the stress of the altitude going through the mountains caused his death. I was told at the hospital in Apache Junction, AR that every fall they have several who suffer the same fate because doctors in lower altitude states under estimate the stress of the high altitudes. Respectfully, Red Hawk ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 1999 08:54:38 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query Lanney, I will be camping near you and if needed will haul you out, remember I will have my new correct period wheelbarrow, (got the heavy duty model). Only kidding, I know how not feeling well can really take away from enjoying one's self. At the '97 Nationals I got hit on the sciatic nerve on the back of my leg and that had me in pain for several weeks, you saw me hopping around in the parking lot. First time I met Lanney, and he's was making remarks about the big rabbit ! If you just take it easy and we can help if there's a problem, we'll be in good shape bud. Later YF&B Buck Conner ________________ > On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote: > > > Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain. > > YMOS > > Lanney Ratcliff Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:26:31 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: life in the 1500's A friend sent me this and I thought it was interesting. If you don't like the 1500's, hit the delete! Life in the 1500's: >>>>Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May >>>>and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were starting to >>>>smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the b.o. >>>>Baths equaled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the >>>>privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then >>>>the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the >>>>water was so dirty you could actually loose someone in it. >>>>Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water". >>>>Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood >>>>underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the >>>>pets... dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs lived in the >>>>roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would >>>>slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs," >>>> >>>>There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a >>>>real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really >>>>mess up your nice clean bed. So, they found if >>>>they made beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top, it addressed >>>>that problem. >>>>Hence those beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies. >>>>The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence >>>>the saying "dirt poor". The wealthy had slate floors which >>>>would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the >>>>floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding >>>>more thresh until when you opened the door, it would >>>>all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed at the entry way, >>>>hence a "thresh hold". >>>>They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire. >>>>Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate >>>>vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner >>>>leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the >>>>next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a >>>>month. Hence the rhyme: peas >>>>porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days >>>>old." >>>>Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that >>>>happened. When company came over, they would bring out some >>>>bacon and hang it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that a >>>>man "could really bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little >>>>to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat." >>>>Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content >>>>caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most often >>>>with tomatoes, so they stopped eating tomatoes... >>>>for 400 years. >>>>Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers - a piece of >>>>wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trencher were never washed >>>>and a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy >>>>trenchers, they would get "trench mouth." >>>>Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the >>>>loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper >>>>crust". >>>>Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would >>>>sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking >>>>along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They >>>>were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days >>>>and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see >>>>if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake". >>>>England is old and small and they started running out of places to bury >>>>people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house >>>>and re-use the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins we >>>>refound to have scratch marks on the inside >>>>and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought >>>>they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it through the coffin >>>>and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to >>>>sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. Hence on the >>>>"graveyard shift" they would know that someone was "saved by the >>>>bell" or he was a "dead ringer". Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery check out our NEW WEB SITE: http://www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Lodgepole Furniture - Rawhide - Buffalo Robes - Costumes Metal Art - Custom Tanning - Leather - Gifts ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 1999 11:01:47 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query Buck, I found some good information on your spoked wooden wheel, wheel barrow and for your information that design dates back to the 1500's. I wonder what the boys at Plymouth Rock had ? Turtle. > On Tue, 11 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > > Lanney, > I will be camping near you and if needed will haul you out, remember I will have my new correct period wheelbarrow, (got the heavy duty model). Only kidding, I know how not feeling well can really take away from enjoying one's self. > > At the '97 Nationals I got hit on the sciatic nerve on the back of my leg and that had me in pain for several weeks, you saw me hopping around in the parking lot. First time I met Lanney, and he's was making remarks about the big rabbit ! > > If you just take it easy and we can help if there's a problem, we'll be in good shape bud. > > Later > YF&B > Buck Conner > ________________ > > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote: > > > > > > Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain. > > > > YMOS > > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 1999 12:47:31 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query A spoked wooden wheel, wheel barrow, snail. > On Tue, 11 May 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > > Buck, > I found some good information on your spoked wooden wheel, wheel barrow and for your information that design dates back to the 1500's. I wonder what the boys at Plymouth Rock had ? > Turtle. > > > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > > > > Lanney, > > I will be camping near you and if needed will haul you out, remember I will have my new correct period wheelbarrow, (got the heavy duty model). Only kidding, I know how not feeling well can really take away from enjoying one's self. > > > > At the '97 Nationals I got hit on the sciatic nerve on the back of my leg and that had me in pain for several weeks, you saw me hopping around in the parking lot. First time I met Lanney, and he's was making remarks about the big rabbit ! > > > > If you just take it easy and we can help if there's a problem, we'll be in good shape bud. > > > > Later > > YF&B > > Buck Conner > > ________________ > > > > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all who generously responded with good information regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain. > > > > > > YMOS > > > > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 1999 15:01:35 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer Check this page on tradeguns, manufacturers, quanitys produced, etc. : http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html > On Sun, 09 May 1999, George Noe wrote: > Mr. Mullen:( and others on the list) > Thanks for your help with Treaties. > I, like you, think Deringer's records are where I need to look.(I > thought the treaty end of the search would justify our reason for > needing to find Deringers records) > Douglas Jones(AMM) said he found a little on Deringer > and this contract several years ago. But , lost or missed placed, the > info. He is wanting to develope a "persona" of an early S.W. > Trader/Trapper(about 1830) > In Grant Forman's "Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest"(A good book) > University of Nebraska Press. > There was plenty of trading/trapping in our area(South Central > Oklahoma) and all around. > "Doug has a Deringer (reproduction) that he might have > traded from one of the Indians in the area, to justify > his possesion of the rifle." In his presentations of "Living History" > at schools, he wants to have a little Indian history of the area. > Thus " a new CAN of worms" > > > Any help in tracing down Deringers records? > Let's go fishing!!!! > > === > George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:40:20 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: life in the 1500's ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:25:45 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query I fully intend to take it easy. I am not particularly concerned about = becoming sick, because last year in Pierre's Hole and in '96 in the = Bitterroots I had no problem. I got a little sick in '97 at 9200 ft = where you were hopping around. I figure that a little preparation would = be helpful. Thanks again to all who responded Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 2:47 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: altitude sickmess query > A spoked wooden wheel, wheel barrow, snail. >=20 > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > >=20 > > Buck, > > I found some good information on your spoked wooden wheel, wheel = barrow and for your information that design dates back to the 1500's. I = wonder what the boys at Plymouth Rock had ? > > Turtle. > >=20 > >=20 > > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > > >=20 > > > Lanney, > > > I will be camping near you and if needed will haul you out, = remember I will have my new correct period wheelbarrow, (got the heavy = duty model). Only kidding, I know how not feeling well can really take = away from enjoying one's self. > > >=20 > > > At the '97 Nationals I got hit on the sciatic nerve on the back of = my leg and that had me in pain for several weeks, you saw me hopping = around in the parking lot. First time I met Lanney, and he's was making = remarks about the big rabbit ! > > >=20 > > > If you just take it easy and we can help if there's a problem, = we'll be in good shape bud. > > >=20 > > > Later > > > YF&B > > > Buck Conner > > > ________________ > > >=20 > > > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote: > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > Thanks to all who generously responded with good information = regarding altitude sickness. I got more than a little queasy at 9200 = feet at the '97 AMM rendezvous, and I am sure others from low altitudes = have experienced similar symptoms. I hope to have better luck this = time. One request: if I get sick again and need assistance, don't let = anybody field dress me before hauling me down the mountain. > > > >=20 > > > > YMOS > > > >=20 > > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account = http://www.uswestmail.net > >=20 > >=20 > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account = http://www.uswestmail.net >=20 >=20 > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account = http://www.uswestmail.net >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:42 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: life in the 1500's Try her again, Traphand. =20 - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 6:40 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: life in the 1500's >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 99 20:57:34 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: MtMan-List: ALL Buck, Lanney & Doc - You mean it ain't wrong to do it right? Now that is one hell of a concept. And one fine one at that. Glad to pitch your video(Or Leo's) Doc. Really had fun watching it. That video, some old MM movies, and lots of books sure make the winter hours good. The only thing better is a winter camp which is even betyter athan a summer one. I have seen how Lanney camps and he does have a fine one. I didn't see anything out of place and was very much impressed with the proprietor. A real gentleman as well as authentic. Hard combination to beat and I am really looking forward to seeing him again at Jackson Hole. Looking forward to seeing Buck again too. Come to think of it, looking forward to seeing lots of good men and women. Really like hearing that being authentic at least to the best of someone's ability is not considered a bad thing. At least not by all. Can't wait for the Nationals. 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