From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #309 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, June 7 1999 Volume 01 : Number 309 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 16:33:23 -0500 From: John Dearing Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #306 > >Many of the brothers have made this trip from Ft. Benton passed Judith Landing and further >south on the Upper Missouri, reading what has been stated almost 200 years before brings back >fond memories of this land and what we have all seen - then and now. > > > If you have never made this trip please write it down as a "must adventure to do", Absolutely. I made the trip from Ft. Benton to Judith landing last year with some members of the Les Miserables Primitives, and the CoHT, and I was awed by the area. We camped on several L&C sites, on the anniversary of L&C's stay on those same sites. Laid over at the white cliffs two days, and found the pictograph of the horse on the bluff near Eagle creek, as well as the lodge rings on the hill above the campsite, and attended a healing sweat lodge run by a traditional Tarahumara healer. The view from the top of of the bluffs across from the camp area is awesome Good stuff. I highly recommend that trip Your Servant John D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:46:09 EDT From: Rkleinx2@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: needle gun Hello to all, In Garcia's book ' Tough Trip Through Paradise 1878-1879' he mentions "needle guns". Would someone please tell me what a 'needle gun' is? Also he writes about a 'three and a half shuttler wagon'. What kind of a wagon is / was that?. (did he mean 'suttler wagon'?) Thanks for any info. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Mtman-List: Little Bighorn Battlefield comments, etc. The battle was fought on Sunday June 25th, 1876. Many others also have testified that it is a mysterious place of both good spirits and unfortunately bad ones as is representatve of Mother Earth today. But in the end (thanks be to God the Great Spirit Father) the good will triumph. The same feelings can be felt at Gettysburg on July 1-3 or at Antietam [Maryland] on Sep.17. They are the result of great cataclysmic events in the struggle between life and death. - ------------------------------------------------------ Dances with Wolves comment: Once again Hollywood makes the Pawnee look bad. They really do these people a tremendous dis-service, when one considers the work of modern day Pawnees like brothers Walter and John Echohawk. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:04:30 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: needle gun During the 1860's, men like William Cody, those who were first professional buffalo hunters on the plains, used a variety of rifles to kill buffalo. Henrys, Ballards, Spencers, and other rifles were used. but when a hunter had a choice, he usually chose the .50-70 Springfield Army Musket, sometimes called a "needle gun". These .50 caliber Army rifles were Civil War muskets converted to breech loaders by the Allin Systiem and relined to .50 caliber for centerfire cartridges. The cartridge used 70 grains of powder and a conical 450 grain bullet. They were accurate and had much "knock-down" power. William Cody use such a converted Army rifle which he named "Lucretia Borgia". It could throw a ball double the weight of the ordinary carbine and could a buffalo a 600 yards provided it hit the animal in a vital spot. Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery check out our NEW WEB SITE: http://www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Lodgepole Furniture - Rawhide - Buffalo Robes - Costumes Metal Art - Custom Tanning - Leather - Gifts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:11:04 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buffalo hides Let me know what you need for hides. I have many deer and elk that are so-so and good for laying on the ground. Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery check out our NEW WEB SITE: http://www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Lodgepole Furniture - Rawhide - Buffalo Robes - Costumes Metal Art - Custom Tanning - Leather - Gifts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 18:07:28 +1200 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: needle gun Dick wrote Would someone please tell me what a 'needle gun' is? > In your case it was a Trapdoor Springfield , it had a long fireing pin ,hence needle gun YMOS Cutfinger. Friendships made. Problems shared. Campfires across the Wilderness ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:07:02 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: INDIAN SIGN LANGUAGE TAPE I would just like to say thanks to everyone for the very positive response to the tape. I hope everyone enjoys it and can use it as a learning tool. I was disappointed to learn that the Tim McCoy video is no longer available. If any of you can get a copy of it, it would certainly be worth your time. To watch Mr. McCoy talk sign is truly a thing of beauty. Again, thanks for the great response to my tape. Be Safe, Have Fun Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:13:21 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: INDIAN SIGN LANGUAGE TAPE Does anyone know where a copy of the Tim McCoy (Indian sign language) tape can be had? John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: larry pendleton To: mountain lists ; amm lists Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: MtMan-List: INDIAN SIGN LANGUAGE TAPE > I would just like to say thanks to everyone for the very positive response > to the tape. I hope everyone enjoys it and can use it as a learning tool. > I was disappointed to learn that the Tim McCoy video is no longer available. > If any of you can get a copy of it, it would certainly be worth your time. > To watch Mr. McCoy talk sign is truly a thing of beauty. Again, thanks for > the great response to my tape. > Be Safe, Have Fun > Pendleton > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:13:21 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: INDIAN SIGN LANGUAGE TAPE Does anyone know where a copy of the Tim McCoy (Indian sign language) tape can be had? John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: larry pendleton To: mountain lists ; amm lists Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: MtMan-List: INDIAN SIGN LANGUAGE TAPE > I would just like to say thanks to everyone for the very positive response > to the tape. I hope everyone enjoys it and can use it as a learning tool. > I was disappointed to learn that the Tim McCoy video is no longer available. > If any of you can get a copy of it, it would certainly be worth your time. > To watch Mr. McCoy talk sign is truly a thing of beauty. Again, thanks for > the great response to my tape. > Be Safe, Have Fun > Pendleton > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Pickert Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: turtle shells Hey all: I have been gone for a week and missed the response to this. I am interested in documentation on this also? Thanks Walks - --- landis wrote: > the turtle shells are for a friend doing 16th > century period,as I said in my > first query. thanks to everyone who has helped with > this. Adam > -----Original Message----- > From: James A Lindberg > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: turtle shells > > > >Is there any documentation on turtle shells > actually being used for > >"handbags" and such during the fur trade era? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jim > > > > > > > === Rick(Walks in the Night)Pickert _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:18:55 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TV & film (was: New Book) buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: >>At the Mountain Men, Drums Along the Platte, Centennial, Black Robe and a few "B" rated movies, as well as TV specials that we have been in; makeup people as well as special clothing people will try and change your personal clothing to meet what their paperwork says you should look like....They seem to want to make everyone look dirty even at rendezvous, Jerry Crandall (historical research, commerical artists, etc.) talked until blue in the face about being wrong, he got no where, as others have found.<< Yes, but! Jeff and I recently had a chance to work with a CBC TV crew for a day; since the CBC's group was very small (by the time they got to us, they were finished all the other shooting in the mountains), we had a chance to talk with the assistant producer about this.He explained that the thick coating of fuller's earth they put onto Jeff's hands wasn't to make Jeff's hands look "dirty", but to make sure they looked normal. Film and video are less sensitive (i.e. show a smaller range of light to dark) than the human eye; light colours will appear snow white, and white will appear "whiter than white", on the final product unless it is darkened down beforehand. So capotes and hands had to be made a deep tan/peachy colour. I was allowed to take pictures of the filming; when my film was developed, the capotes and hands were _much_ lighter than they had been in "real life". This isn't to suggest that the TV/film industry never makes mistakes; but rather, that sometimes they do know what they're doing, although it may seem very strange at first. (That doesn't mean you should let them use leather dye on your buckskins, though!) Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jun 1999 08:22:14 -0700 From: Subject: MtMan-List: An Apology needed To Michael Terry and the history_list several of us have made a terrible mistake, apparently there are several gentlemen with like names. The person referred to was not the gentlemen that is the writer of the book mentioned earlier on this list, so I've been informed, his name was Mike Terry ! Close but a big mistake and poor Michael Terry got blasted by mistake, I am sorry, and please Michael and the hist_list except my apology in this matter. Like the old saying goes, "get your facts straight", and as shown I saw the name and was thinking of another person and not the gentlemen mentioned. Again please except my apologies for the blunder Bad Hand. Buck Conner Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jun 1999 10:22:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TV & film (was: New Book) On Mon, 07 June 1999, Angela Gottfred wrote: > This isn't to suggest that the TV/film industry never makes mistakes; but > rather, that sometimes they do know what they're doing, although it may seem > very strange at first. (That doesn't mean you should let them use leather > dye on your buckskins, though!) > I agree that some do know what's going on, and then again have seen others do some real screw-ups, like used motor oil on a nice birch bark canoe (thank goodness it was their's), the leather dye on brain tanned, along with other questionable acts. I quess as long as it's not personal to you, so whatever. Buck Conner Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jun 1999 17:02:09 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: An Apology needed I guess I need to say sorry also, and please Michael and the hist_list except my apology in this matter. I guess "lather" is a bad word ! Michael and Mike are darn close for names, who would have thought different. Turtle. > > Like the old saying goes, "get your facts straight", and as shown I saw the name and was thinking of another person and not the gentlemen mentioned. > > Again please except my apologies for the blunder Bad Hand. 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