From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #340 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, August 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 340 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:08:16 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List Powderhawk I didn't shave for the best part of 30 years but last year I whacked it = all off except for my moustaches. Never say never.....like I used to. = Shaving made me look a little younger, but I still get called "sir" by = grown women and get asked about Senior Citizen Discounts by resturant = cashiers. Waugh!! Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Powderhawk To: Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 2:53 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Hey List > I'm afraid Turtle is right Concho, your back a few days and got all = these guys taking cheap shots at each other (I know it's only because = they're bored). >=20 > Dave, Buck and Larry are the only ones that have given a straight = answer that I can use, liked Lanney's information - don't shave like = Dennis. >=20 > But Concho and Turtle, what can be said about you two, other than the = last time we where in a camp together (about 8 years ago) I know it was = one of you that loaded the camp pot with Exlax and I will get way past = even one day.=20 >=20 >=20 > Keep your powder dry > Powderhawk > Historian-Reenacter-Writer > Lake Mills, IA > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account = http://www.uswestmail.net >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:12:03 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should = know this. Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- > Yeah, I'm impressed ! Is this guy a fellow Texican ? If he ain't he = ought > to be. > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:23:45 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Oh no ! I'm sorry ! I guess I offended him. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 1:11 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should know this. Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- > Yeah, I'm impressed ! Is this guy a fellow Texican ? If he ain't he ought > to be. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:18:16 -0700 From: "Concho" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List > > But Concho and Turtle, what can be said about you two, other than the last time we where in a camp together (about 8 years ago) I know it was one of you that loaded the camp pot with Exlax and I will get way past even one day. > > Hawk, If you remember you where on that grapefruit diet and then you guys made the camp stew, that would have wrecked all the grapefruit you ate. So we where just thinking of you, didn't know you invited the whole damn camp for dinner. Be happy there was a fast running stream that everyone could clean up in the next morning. Wow, what a mess !!! Couldn't stop laughing for several days. D. L. Smith Washington, MO. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:23:07 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List On Sun, 01 August 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote: > > Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should know this. > Lanney > > Yeah, I'm impressed ! Is this guy a fellow Texican ? If he ain't he ought > > to be. > > Larry He isn't from any state, none of the lower 48 will lay claim to this one boys, I feel kind of sick that I know him and the trouble he has gotten me into over the years. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:25:29 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List On Sun, 01 August 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote: > > Powderhawk > I didn't shave for the best part of 30 years but last year I whacked it all off except for my moustaches. Never say never.....like I used to. Shaving made me look a little younger, but I still get called "sir" by grown women and get asked about Senior Citizen Discounts by resturant cashiers. Waugh!! > Lanney He shave once, but ended up in jail for walking around backwards bent over with his drawers down - think he believed Concho ! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:24:27 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List > > >WHY, THANK YOU DENNIS. > > D. L. Smith > Washington, MO. >>Don't mention it, Sir... You can trust me for a straight, honest answer each & every time.. Unlike allot of the rabble that inhabit this list. D - -- "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:32:08 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: Storing Salt Wooden buckets. Ok, but is that a logical way for the men in the mountains on horseback to carry it ? Would they have taken the time to make new buckets when their's broke or wore out ? What about leather bags ? I know leather deteriates pretty quick in the presence of salt. What about it ? Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 1956 01:02:23 +0000 From: Laura Rugel Glise Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List 4:00 p.m. EST This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers? Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia! Laura Lost Texas Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:40:26 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Yes ma'am it is a might tepid today. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Laura Rugel Glise To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 1:29 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List >4:00 p.m. EST > >This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers? >Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia! > >Laura >Lost Texas Girl > > ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:35:40 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List > > But Concho and Turtle, what can be said about you two, other than the last time we where in a camp together (about 8 years ago) I know it was one of you that loaded the camp pot with Exlax and I will get way past even one day. > > > > > Hawk, > If you remember you where on that grapefruit diet and then you guys made the camp stew, that would have wrecked all the grapefruit you ate. > > So we where just thinking of you, didn't know you invited the whole damn camp for dinner. > ________________________________ Pwdhwk, It was an accident, we where just looking at that boxes of chocolate, or we though it was chocolate, and Buck pushed me and - well the rest is history. God what a mess, all the port-johns where full and the lines where unbelieveable. Sorry, it was a mistake and Concho tried to get the four boxes out. If you want to get even, he was really laughting all the way home. Your close friend and brother. Turtle. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:37:36 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices small tin tins with a bit of beeswax around the outer edge works real fine. also, a short horn with a divider put up the center before its plugged, and dowels (or piano tuning keys) to plug the holes at the top has kept salt AND pepper in the same container (VERY CONVENIENT) perfectly dry while sitting out on the table in storms. IIRC, wax or pitch lined kegs were used to transport large quantities of salt in times gone bye. Barn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:51:39 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Maybe this will answer your question: I have a laboratory themometer = with a 550 f maximum reading attached to the top of the visor in my = pickup and it reads 150....in the shade, not in direct sunlight. The = outside temp is about 105 and the wind is coming straight down. Wish I = were in Wyoming right now. Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laura Rugel Glise To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 1956 8:02 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List > 4:00 p.m. EST >=20 > This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers? = > Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia! >=20 > Laura > Lost Texas Girl >=20 ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:54:51 -0700 From: "Buck" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List > This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers? > Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia! > Laura, I think who ever said "Concho" should have never been left on this list is pretty close to correct, that goes for most encampments - also, and if "Turtle" is with him - just call the police and have their butts locked up before they do some off the wall deal like what was mentioned earlier. they're damn lucky that one went away without any further problems. That whole deal is a story in it's self. As for the salt and carrying it any distance: I agree the wood buckets or iron pots would work for processing it. But for moving any distance, probably like anything else, wrapped in cloth or blanket material - then some kinds of water proof covering like greased leather or rawhide, just a guess - anyone have any documentations after being processed and "caked". I wonder how it would be stored after reaching a large camp or settlement for a long period of time - their conditions where not the best for such items. This is a subject that you can find bits and pieces, and not a clear picture of the complete operation. Later, Buck Conner dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory _____________________________________ Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade and early history of the times, the one the American Mountain Men read and write: The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link The subscription for the journal is $20 for a year or $35 for two years. You will receive quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:57:35 -0700 From: "Buck" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices On Sun, 01 August 1999, RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > > small tin tins with a bit of beeswax around the outer edge works real fine. > also, a short horn with a divider put up the center before its plugged, and > dowels (or piano tuning keys) to plug the holes at the top has kept salt AND > pepper in the same container (VERY CONVENIENT) perfectly dry while sitting > out on the table in storms. IIRC, wax or pitch lined kegs were used to > transport large quantities of salt in times gone bye. Barn problem is if left in a damp area for a period of time the salt get's hard and can't be removed from the horn. Later, Buck Conner dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory _____________________________________ Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade and early history of the times, the one the American Mountain Men read and write: The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link The subscription for the journal is $20 for a year or $35 for two years. You will receive quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:11:02 -0700 From: JW Stephens Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Sorry to hear that you got the too hots. It's beautifully comfortable out here on the left coast. Has been for weeks. Just right for sitting back in the evening and watching the sun set. B'str'd Laura Rugel Glise wrote: some ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:04:55 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: new e-mail address This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEDC37.98E04860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a new e-mail address effective asap. The addresss rat@htcomp.net = will be invalid very soon. Lanney Ratcliff The new address is: lratcliff@exprestel.net note: that is a lower case "L", not an = upper case "i" - ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEDC37.98E04860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BEDC37.98E04860-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:21:41 -0500 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: (no subject) Now Concho, see what you stirred up! On Caking the salt. we boiled some from sea water once and scraped it out of the pots into a wooden bowl, and being hygroscopic, it picked up water from the air, and caked overnight. If you leave a bag of salt open in the barn, it will cake in a few days or weeks to where you have to break it up to feed it. Seems to take care of itself. Now......are there any records of carrying maple sugar to Rendezvous??? Rock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:17:47 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List Buck writes: > He shaved once, but ended up in jail for walking around backwards bent over > with his drawers down - think he believed Concho ! The story I heard was that he got carried away with that new straight razor and decided to use it all over his body. He shaved his legs and wrecked em....(say it fast a few times, you'll get it) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:17:04 +1200 From: "The Brooks" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: [Fwd: How to make a submission.] Just come through from Cutfinger, thought i would pass it on. Some of you may be interested in what is happening on the firearms front in New Zealand. Kia Ora, Big Bear. In just as many gun antis Marlborough New Zealand. >>You will just LOVE the part that authorises the authorities to IMPLANT CHIPS >>in YOUR guns!!! [I kid you not - incredible........] Do you still think >>this is nothing serious????? http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/publications/submission/contents.html >>JohnH >>"If tough gun laws work - why does crime increase?" >>"ACT to maintain your rights" >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:24:42 -0700 From: JW Stephens Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices Do without? Don't think so. Hard to choke down that made meat without it, it seems. Most of the first hand accounts seem to consider it right up there with powder and ball, and a carrot of leaf. Lewis and Clark went to a lot of trouble to replenish their supply, even dividing their force with a two-man detachment for saltworks, which they generally tried not to do. Since the usage of salt was pretty regular it was usually bought in trade as making salt was not a profitable venture for an on-the-move hunter.=20 B'st'rd larry pendleton wrote: > mountains to be traded or sold ? Or did they cook it themselves or jus= t > made do without it ? I don't know. Me thinks we need more info. > Pendleton=D5 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:23:04 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new e-mail address In a message dated 99-08-01 17:12:51 EDT, you write: > I have a new e-mail address effective asap. The addresss rat@htcomp.net = > will be invalid very soon. > Lanney Ratcliff Lanney, Looks like you have a new computer and email software too. You need to go in and configure it to turn off this flamin' red background. It can't be that much hotter out your way. Dave Kanger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:29:49 -0400 From: Bob Spencer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Lanny wrote: >Do you have the photo of the razor I bought from you posted to your web >site? If not I will post it to you, or anyone else, as a jpg image. I've posted a photo of an early razor at: http://members.aye.net/~bspen/Pictures/razor.jpg This is the personal razor of Isaac Shelby. Shelby was a participant in the American Revolution, especially at Kings Mountain, was then the first Governor of Kentucky, also the fifth governor and active in the War of 1812. Don't know the exact date of the razor, but 1775-1815 is a reasonable estimate. Bob Bob Spencer Louisville, KY http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:31:30 EDT From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread To All that asked: I don't have a scanner but will gladly mail a copy to anyone who sends an address. Can also fax a copy if number is provided. The article is from Mother Earth News, Vol. 21, page 72-73. And I was way off on the number of recipes I remembered. There are only 7. (sorry about that, hadn't looked at it in a long time) I apologize for taking so long to get back with the info. My son got married yesterday and I've been a wee bit preoccupied. Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 P.O. box 1228 Quincy, Ca 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:16:52 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Hello List Howdy D. L. Smith from Washington Mo. Longshot here from just up the road in St. Louis. You make the rondy circuit around these parts? If so what's yer camp name so i might recognise ye. Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:17:16 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread Jimmy, Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 2:31 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread > To All that asked: > > I don't have a scanner but will gladly mail a copy to anyone who sends an > address. Can also fax a copy if number is provided. The article is from > Mother Earth News, Vol. 21, page 72-73. And I was way off on the number of > recipes I remembered. There are only 7. (sorry about that, hadn't looked at > it in a long time) > > I apologize for taking so long to get back with the info. My son got > married yesterday and I've been a wee bit preoccupied. > > Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 > P.O. box 1228 > Quincy, Ca 95971 > (530)283-4566 (H) > (530)283-3330 (W) > (530)283-5171 FAX > Casapy123@aol.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:45:47 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: More On Illinois Salines I just did a little web search on the Vermilion Salines which I mentioned earlier. There is an historical marker there with this info on it. Salt Kettle At the Salt Kettle Rest Area off I-74 East Monument recognizes the Salines of the Vermilion, Vermilion County's first industry, referred to in French records as early as 1706. This definitely bears digging into now. I hadn't recalled the documentation of the site as reaching back that far. That makes it almost certain that salt from here was transported down the Wabash (Ouibache) to Ft. Ouitenon and some of the other early French outposts along that river. Dave Kanger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:08:39 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices alright DL. one post and you got half the list out from under their rocks... way to go. Barney Fife ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:32:20 +1200 From: "The Brooks" Subject: MtMan-List: salt I live just a few miles from a salt works.Solar style. Salt is evaporated from sea water in ponds. I can get salt in crystal form and that is how it comes ..in lumps from 1 to 7 inch thick. Salt as we know it has been ground.It can be crushed between stones on the trail .I have tried the back of a hawk but it leaves a metal taste. The best way is to carry a small lump of rock salt and a piece of old file. Just rub the rock salt over the file over the meal. Salt drops where you want it. Somehow the metal taste isn't transferred from the file.Wash file after use when you rinse utensils.DON"T use soap on it.You only do that once..... Kia Ora Big Bear In cool ..so cool sunny Marlborough New Zealand. >> Back to the original question, if they did cook salt, how did they carry >> large amounts of it and keep it semi-dry and usable ? >in Kent or Virgina, showed a couple of men each carrying >>wooden buckets on a yoke, I guess they had salt ? > >I think Buck answered it "WOODEN BUCKETS" and it would be "CAKED" - not sure how you would go about doing this operation, unless just adding moisture to the top layer with water ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:46:11 +1200 From: "The Brooks" Subject: MtMan-List: salt > >As for the salt and carrying it any distance: I agree the wood buckets or iron pots would work for processing it. But for moving any distance, probably like anything else, wrapped in cloth or blanket material - then some kinds of water proof covering like greased leather or rawhide, just a guess - anyone have any documentations after being processed and "caked". I wonder how it would be stored after reaching a large camp or settlement for a long period of time - their conditions where not the best for such items. Buck, In NZ up until about 30years ago ,until the advent of plastic containers salt was shipped around the country in wooden kegs like wine barrels or powder kegs. They were about 18 inch in Diameter and about 2 foot high. I have one here I use as a rubbish bin in the office. The wooden lids were nailed on. Sugar, flour etc were all shipped the same way. When it got to the trader it was weighed out as required. We used to bust them up for kindling wood. Wish I had kept some. If salt gets wet no harm comes to it. It can be still used..unlike flour. If salt gets dirty it can be washed in a very salty brine solution and dried and powdered or ground.Thats what used to happen here for what it is worth Kia Ora Big Bear In still cool Overcast Marlborough New Zealand. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:53:36 +1200 From: "The Brooks" Subject: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices Re salt going hard in horns. Try putting some rice in the horn with the salt. The Rice is supposed to soak up any moisture that gets in. Have never tried it so can't speak from experience.Try it and see what happens Kia Ora Big Bear In cool overcast Marlborough New Zealand. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 1999 18:57:52 -0700 From: "Buck" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices > On Mon, 02 August 1999, "The Brooks" wrote: > Re salt going hard in horns. Try putting some rice in the > horn with the salt. The Rice is supposed to soak up any > moisture that gets in. Have never tried it so can't speak > from experience.Try it and see what happens > Kia Ora > Big Bear > In cool overcast Marlborough New Zealand. Had done this for years, using a little white rice and pepper and salt mix, worked very nicely as long as it was kept fairly dry - could handle a little moisture. But you have to check it because the rice will swell and slow down - or stop the flow of the salt from exiting the hole. That's when we started using a small tin container (tinned inside) with a greased leather bag, if it get moisture it's no big deal as it can be broken up from it's "caked" state and still used. There's probably a dozen different ways to carry small amounts, each a little different - depending on the area and the situtations you become involved with water, in the form of moisture to a complete dunking. I would think the early natives that grew gourds had a good container and as a last resort could dig the salt out with a stick if the mouth of the gourd was large enough. Later, Buck Conner dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory _____________________________________ Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade and early history of the times, the one the American Mountain Men read and write: The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link The subscription for the journal is $20 for a year or $35 for two years. You will receive quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:11:16 -0600 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices From Deans page Journal of a Trapper: "Here are some fine Salt Springs the Salt forms on the pebbles by evaporation to the depth of 5 or 6 inch in a short time after the snow has dissappeared 11th May After gathering a Supply of Salt we travelled down the river about 15 miles and encamped near the mouth of a stream on the west side called Gardners Fork. " As to containers it doesn't say, but they obviousily gathered their own from salt springs (mentioned several times in the journal). York Boat Bill of lading 1803 "Kegs or Casks of Salt" Ron - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 12:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices >Buck, > Your right, I seem to remember an artist's rendition of someone cooking >salt, possibly in Utah. I also read that Lewis and Clark carried a large >quanity of salt and if memory serves me correctly, they cooked a large >amount of salt on the west coast. I'm not sure this was a common practice >with The Rocky Mountain Fur Trappers. Did the traders carry salt to the >mountains to be traded or sold ? Or did they cook it themselves or just >made do without it ? I don't know. Me thinks we need more info. >Pendleton >-----Original Message----- >From: Buck >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:03 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices > > >>On Sun, 01 August 1999, "larry pendleton" wrote: >> >>> >>> Bill, >>> The trappers carried their salt for personal use in horn containers, >since >>> these were the only waterproof containers they had. A question I have, >is >>> how did the trappers carry larger quanities of salt, such as the amount >>> needed to supply a whole party ? There are accounts of groups of >trappers >>> carrying " gallons " of salt to be used by parties. I am not sure this >was >>> a common practice of the mountain men, but it is well documented that the >>> longhunters of the 18th century certainly did. The reason I am not >certain >>> if the mountain men carried such quanities of salt is that in doing the >>> reasearch for the sign language tape, I found that according to W. P. >Clark >>> the plains Indians did not use salt. In fact the sign for salt is " >taste , >>> bad, white. " Does anyone have any further info ? >>> Pendleton >> >>Larry & Bill, >> >>For large quanities I read some where of traders carrying "caked" salt in >wooden buckets to settlements from the Mississippi River east. >> >>Didn't Clymer or another artist do research on the salt operation in >southern Utah - painted a picture of such activity with whites and Indians, >cooking salt and salt stored in wooden buckets. >> >>In one issue of Muzzleloader there was an article about the salt operation >in Kent or Virgina, showed a couple of men each carrying wooden buckets on a >yoke, I guess they had salt ? >> >> >>Later, >>Buck Conner >>dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. >>AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory >>_____________________________________ >>Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade >>and early history of the times, the one the >>American Mountain Men read and write: >> >>The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * >>Conklin, MI 49403 >>ATTN: Jon Link >> >>The subscription for the journal is $20 for a >>year or $35 for two years. You will receive >>quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. >>_____________________________________ >> >> >> >>Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net >> >> > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #340 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.