From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #342 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, August 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 342 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: tanning recipes -       Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices -       Re: MtMan-List: tarps -       Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices -       MtMan-List: Canoes and such -       MtMan-List: Bill of Lading -       Re: MtMan-List: Bill of Lading -       MtMan-List: Need Wood -       Re: MtMan-List: Hello List -       Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. -       Re: MtMan-List: Hello List -       Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood -       Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood -       Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood -       MtMan-List: felting -       Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. -       Re: MtMan-List: felting -       Re: MtMan-List: White Women in the West (was: Women at Rendezvous) -       MtMan-List: TVM Pistol -       MtMan-List: Shootin' Bags -       Re: MtMan-List: TVM Pistol -       Re: MtMan-List: Shootin' Bags ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:17:21 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tanning recipes It was simply the unvarnished truth. Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brandl To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tanning recipes > Ah, Thanks Lanney > Joe >=20 > Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery > check out our NEW WEB SITE: > http://www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html > Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 > Lodgepole Furniture - Rawhide - Buffalo Robes - Costumes > Metal Art - Custom Tanning - Leather - Gifts >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:44:58 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices So you folks won't misunderstand my previous post, I hadn't even thought of wooden kegs. Oh well ! Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 6:28 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices >Kegs, blankets, bags. Well yeah. DUH ! >Pendleton >-----Original Message----- >From: Angela Gottfred >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:14 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices > > >>On the Swan River (W. Manitoba), there was a salt spring whose waters NW >Co. >>voyageurs boiled to make salt. "It is not so strong, as that wich comes >from >>Canada, but it preserves Meat &c. well." 1804, IIRC (Harmon, 34) >>Salt was also made by boiling water from "the saline Brooks of the Red >>River". (Thompson, _Narrative_, 151) >>As Ron pointed out, salt was shipped in kegs. (Why carry >>it in open wooden pails when a cooper can make a keg with only a little >more >>effort?) Some folks may recall that I said I was pretty sure that "York >Boat >>Bill of Lading" was actually for a North West Company Montreal Canoe. Well, >>have a look at www.civilization.ca/membrs/canhist/canoe/can07eng.htm (the >>Canadian Museum of Civilization's website) for a Montreal Canoe bill of >>lading to compare for yourselves. It's part of a great new virtual exhibit >>on the history of canoes; well worth checking out! >>Finally, some people _did_ manage to get by without salt. Midshipman Hood >>was wintering at the HBC's Cumberland House in 1819 when he wrote "The >>Indians do not use salt, and the Europeans indulge a little indolence at >the >>expence of living without it; for though it is found in many parts of the >>country, in springs and on the earth, they eat fish the whole year >>improvided with it..." (Hood, 47) In other words, making salt for their >food >>wasn't worth the effort! >> >>Your humble & obedient servant, >>Angela Gottfred >>agottfre@telusplanet.net >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tarps On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 Cherokeoil@aol.com wrote: > I would like to know if a tarp with grommets in it would work if i sewed some > leather over them? If not does anyone have any idea`s where i could get a > tarp without grommets around KC area or any mail order places? Thanks. Hallo As a part-time chimney sweep, I go through a lot of tarps... your local paint store/hardware store should have them in all different sizes. One of the things to avoid when picking up tarps there is that some of the tarp companys put their very bright, very large logos on them in bright red (etc). These tarps are generally untreated, so if your looking for a "waterproof" canvas, you'll have to treat it with something... however, a tightly stretched canvas of good quality should shed water pretty well. Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Angela Gottfred wrote: > Some folks may recall that I said I was pretty sure that "York Boat > Bill of Lading" was actually for a North West Company Montreal Canoe. Well, > have a look at www.civilization.ca/membrs/canhist/canoe/can07eng.htm Smallish correction... put an "l" on the end of the URL to get to that page..... i.e... http://www.civilization.ca/membrs/canhist/canoe/can07eng.html Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Canoes and such I was just checking out the page that Angela posted (about canoes and the bill of lading), really enjoyed the paintings of the canoe shooting the rapids.... We tried that this weekend in our 30' dugout with seven paddlers. Not recommended for the faint of heart. We actually didna mean too, but got caught in the current on the wrong side of an island on the Clearwater. I didna think much of it until our steersman, in talking with the bowman, stated.... "Dave... were not gonna make the good side". That kinda crystalized the situation to us poor oarsman/grunts... particularly when I looked up from my labors to see the rocks flip by. Pretty amazing watching the banks flash by in a blur while sitting in a hollowed out 800 lb log... and did you know that half submerged logs "whistle" as the water roars through them? Alls well that ends well however, and we managed to keep it sunny side up. Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Bill of Lading the canoe lists a "macaron of High Wines" What, may I ask, is a macaron? Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho NMLRA member 058863 email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:22:03 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bill of Lading Good question. Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary does not define the word, = nor is it used in any way in the dictionary. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lee Newbill To: Mountain Man List Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 10:59 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Bill of Lading > the canoe lists a "macaron of High Wines" >=20 > What, may I ask, is a macaron? >=20 > Regards >=20 > Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho > NMLRA member 058863 > email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu > Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:43:47 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: MtMan-List: Need Wood I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks. Anyone know a source???? Help. Linda Holley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:54:32 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List Unless I can sneak in, I have to stay home. You lucky duck to have the time to go. I may go in on one weekend if I can get away from school. Call in sick or so. I am getting very antsy here. The computer is going off and on and in the shop every day or so, and I want to go camping in COLD weather. It is dang HOT up here in Jax. Has to accidentally fall in my pond to get cool. The big koi fish were not impressed. Boy can they nibble. So maybe I will get to Eastern to say hello at the Mouse House, if not, see you at British Night Watch or the Alafia. Linda Holley ad.miller@mindspring.com wrote: > Great idea :) I'll be going to the NMLRA Eastern in Sept in West Va, so if > any of you are there, look for thje sign "MOUSE HOUSE" and stop by. There > is always something in the pot (not sure what kinda meat) and the coffee is > always hot... Would love to meet some of you face to face... > > Addison and Vicki Miller > Little Wolf and Mouse > > >Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 1999 10:56:32 -0700 From: "BucK" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. On Mon, 02 August 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > > > Hey what about the types of spices available, we got a good start on salt, come on Buck - stop filling orders and get in here with us SPICES AVAILABLE in North America. What do you guys think, we could get Buck to build us a shopping list, he don't need much sleep the honey moon is over brother. > > "Concho" > _____________________________________ > Just copied this from Clark & Sons Mercantile web site, Buck won't mind - he always says he would rather see us use correct items and not junk foods. > _____________________________________ > Herbs > These herbs are used as medicine, seasonings or just for decoration, all have been dated earlier than 1800. > > Agronomy/American Pennyroyal: Listed in history as an American > Indian herb, used for insect repellent. > > Basil/Brunet: A well known pair of herbs, known to provide a > aromatic relief for the nose. > > Butterfly Weed: Same as above. > > Caraway: Has some medical uses, licorice taste used on rye bread > by early colonists. > > Chives: A flavoring for soups, breads, salads, etc. by native > Americans and colonists. > > Coriander, Dill: Flavoring or seasoning. > > Garlic Chives: Member of the onion family, used for seasoning > in soups and salads. > > Horehound: Used in teas, candy for sore throat problems. > > Sweet Cicely: Licorice flavor used in cooking for seasoning. > > Sweet Marjoram: Old medical herb, used for colds in soup and stews. > > Columbine, elecamane, feverfew, hollyhock, job?s tear, larkspur, > lunaria, thin-leafed coneflower, these are all decoration plants > and not to be used internally by all means. > > LEGEND > Approximate documented and dated items grown or traded in North > America, we have found something?s earlier than listed, but > not that common for the working class or local trade. > > Pa. German - before 1750 * > Before 1800 - trade item ** > Northeast - before 1820 @ > Southwest - before 1830 # > > Herbs & Spices > Basil * > Bay leaves * > Cayenne pepper * > Cinnamon sticks * > Cloves-whole * > Garlic-granules * > Nutmeg-whole * > Pepper-crushed red * > Rose hips-seedless * > Ginger root-dried * > Mustard seed-whole * > > Remember the local natives had many more not listed, but hard to document as there are few records, just passed down word of mouth, generation to generation. > _____________________________________ Tonight I will look in "Jefferson's Garden Book" this a great source book on cultivated edibles from his time to now. I use this book over and over again, it's amazing how many different vegetables, seeds and fruits he collected from around the world in his travels as a leader or advisor for this country in his life time. We would be very limited if it wasn't for TJ and his interest of cultivated and foraged edibles, the arts, books, etc., probably the father of research for the United States. He sold his first collection of books, around 7000 titles to the US Congress (now the Library of Congress Collection) after the British burned the original library. If your looking for various items that pretain to our history, a search on Jefferson will surprise you much of the time, as he will probably had his hand in one part or the other in the area your looking at. If your building a shopping list like one of you mentioned, I'll give you a fair listing of edibles that covers, vegetables, fruits, etc. - if enough want such a list. I would rather see you use correct items than not junk foods. Later, Buck Conner dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. _____________________________________ NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade and early history of the times, the one the American Mountain Men read and write: The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year or $35 for two years. You will receive quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:01:32 -0400 From: ad.miller@mindspring.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List HEY LINDA!!!! {{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}} Good to hear from you again dear :) We are pulling out of here on 20 Sept heading to the Eastern. MY daughter and son-in-law were at the last Alafia with us and got bit BAD by the Ronnyvous bug. They are going with us too... Ya know you always got a spot by the fire at the Mouse House and whatever is in the pot yer welcome to.... heh... just don't ask what it is... ya may not want to know. I promise if its road kill, it was fairly fresh... honest... *grins* Look forward to seein you there and at British Night Watch and the Alafia.... RONNY TIME!!!!!!! Tex and Mouse So maybe I will get to Eastern >to say hello at the Mouse House, if not, see you at British Night Watch or the >Alafia. > >Linda Holley > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:31:41 -0400 From: Bob Spencer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. >> > Hey what about the types of spices available, Mark Baker provides an excellent reference to such things in his book, "Sons of a Trackless Forest". There are many invoices or orders in the records of Baynton, Wharton and Morgan, doing business in Kaskaskia, Ill., in 1767-70. Bob Bob Spencer Louisville, KY http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:18:48 -0700 From: "Rob Voyles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood - -- On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:43:47 Linda Holley wrote: >I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks. Anyone know a source???? Help. > >Linda Holley > > > > Linda, I don't know how cost effective this will be, but many primitive archery supply houses carry for it in raw stave form for making bows out of. You could use that as a source if need be. Rob Voyles (CA) HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:42:08 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood >I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks. >Anyone know a source???? Help Linda, Don't remember where you live, or if it grows there. Back here in Illinois it grows wild along the fencerows between farm fields. Any source for it would have to be hand cut and hand sawn. It's tolerable nasty stuff to work with and exceeds hickory in its hardness and resiliency. It is full of resin and eats saw blades, and the dust from it has toxic characteristics if inhaled. I have some small pieces, but not any planks. They would probably have to be custom cut by a bandsaw mill. How many do you need and what are the dimensions? Also, could you modify the pattern to substitute some of the wood for another kind, thus cutting back on the quantity required. I may or may not be able to help you depending on the size and quantity. Dave Kanger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:26:20 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood Dimensioned osage stock is available from suppliers like MacBeath Hardwoo= d in SLC. I don't recommend its use. Sawn lumber doesn't follow the grain. For Linda's project the wood should be rived (split with the grain) and scraped to final dimension (broken glass works well for a scraper). What she nee= ds is a section without knots (sometimes difficult to find with hedge apple). = A froe would be best for riving though the work could be done with wedges and gl= uts.=20 Knotty wood can be split just not easily. It used to be grown as thorny fence rows throughout the mid-west and sout= h.=20 The largest remaining stands I am aware of are in Texas. In Misery most = of it has been cut and burned. Burns well in a closed stove lousy in an open f= ire due to extreme popping with hot embers landing where you don't need them. If someone is replacing an ancient fence often the never rotting posts ar= e well seasoned bow d'arc and excellent for bows, cradle boards, striking tool handles and such. It's easy to identify they are usually black from the weather = and weigh about 50 lbs. each. The wood will still be a nice orange color ins= ide. John... At 06:42 PM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >>I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the plan= ks.=A0=20 >>Anyone know a source????=A0=A0 Help > >Linda, >Don't remember where you live, or if it grows there.=A0 Back here in Ill= inois=20 >it grows wild along the fencerows between farm fields.=A0 Any source for= it=20 >would have to be hand cut and hand sawn.=A0 It's tolerable nasty stuff t= o work=20 >with and exceeds hickory in its hardness and resiliency.=A0 It is full o= f resin=20 >and eats saw blades, and the dust from it has toxic characteristics if=20 >inhaled.=A0 I have some small pieces, but not any planks.=A0 They would = probably=20 >have to be custom cut by a bandsaw mill. > >How many do you need and what are the dimensions?=A0 Also, could you mod= ify the=20 >pattern to substitute some of the wood for another kind, thus cutting ba= ck on=20 >the quantity required.=A0 I may or may not be able to help you depending= on the=20 >size and quantity. > >Dave Kanger >=20 John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: =20 ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 1999 16:49:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. On Tue, 03 August 1999, Bob Spencer wrote: > > >> > Hey what about the types of spices available, > > Mark Baker provides an excellent reference to such things in his book, > "Sons of a Trackless Forest". There are many invoices or orders in the > records of Baynton, Wharton and Morgan, doing business in Kaskaskia, Ill., > in 1767-70. > > Bob Haven't heard from Buck yet on this, but I know that Clark & Sons Mercantile furnished Mark Baker and Wes Houser with all their edibles, sweets, etc. for their last tapes they put out. I saw Mark had given C&SM credit in several of his articles for their research on same items over the last 3-4 years. They are the biggest and Goose Bay Workshops is starting to grow in the same direction behind Buck, Peter of GBW said that the two of them have been working together on cookwares and edibles for the last couple of years now. That's all they are looking at - in camp items, or edibles, cultivated and foraged. This is great for us that someone will take the time to work on these areas. Bill Gorbey that writes for "On The Trail", John Curry "Smoke & Fire", Brook Elliott "Smoke & Fire" and Mark Baker "Muzzleloader" also work with Buck in researching edibles, field testing new items and as seen in their columns in those journals covering foods and drinks, along with trekking. This sure gives us a good source, with foods, etc., plus articles, tapes and such from good documentation. We all need to thank these people for adding to our needs from time to time. Thanks Clark & Sons, Goose Bay,(suppliers) Mark Baker, John Curry, Bill Gorbey and Brook Elliott (articles and columns) for the support. See you down the trail. Turtle. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:06:45 -0500 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood - -----Original Message----- From: Linda Holley To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:37 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Need Wood >>I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks. Anyone know a source???? Help. Linda Holley<< Linda, Here are some sources. Hope you find what you are looking for. Good luck, Tony Clark Appalachian Millwork & Lumber Company: Exotic Woods www.erinet.com/hardwood/exotics.html Hardwoods and exotic woods www.northlandcorp.com/index.html EXOTIC WOODS SCOTT LUMBER CALIFORNIA www.scottlumber.com/s-exo.htm exotic woods www.schulercue.com/exoticwoods/exotic.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:29:09 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood In a message dated 99-08-03 19:28:15 EDT, you write: << If someone is replacing an ancient fence often the never rotting posts are well seasoned bow d'arc and excellent for bows, cradle boards, striking tool handles and such. >> I was just remembering Dad's post pile -- nearly all Osage orange - hedge - bo darc -- whatever you call it. Like John sail, each post weighed about 50 lbs. I know a lot of the posts from that pile have been in the ground for nearly 50 years & will still turn a cow. Unfortunately when I last visited the farm, the pile was down to the "culls" with nothing left that was suitable for bows. Would have been suitable for this cradle board project, but alas, Dad sold the farm last year. 8( I remember a lot of sweat & blood went into splitting out those posts -- that was before the modern invention of log splitters. Even they wouldn't have helped much splitting the 6' - 8' lengths, so it was all done with sledge & wedge. I know the stuff is realy hard to work with -- it cuts as hard as western misquite -- think they're related from the way they work. As for burning them in a stove, we had a neighbour who heated his house with bo dark -- turned his roof orange afound the chimney! Also burned out the coal rated grates in his furnace every 5 years -- the stuff burns HOT!! NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:41:58 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: MtMan-List: felting Question, when did fur felt hats first come about and who started it? When was wool added? How was the old process done? by hand, any machinery used? Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery check out our NEW WEB SITE: http://www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Lodgepole Furniture - Rawhide - Buffalo Robes - Costumes Metal Art - Custom Tanning - Leather - Gifts ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 1999 19:32:16 -0700 From: concho@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America. On Tue, 03 August 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > This sure gives us a good source, with foods, etc., plus articles, tapes and such from good documentation. We all need to thank these people for adding to our needs from time to time. Thanks Clark & Sons, Goose Bay,(suppliers) Mark Baker, John Curry, Bill Gorbey and Brook Elliott (articles and columns) for the support. > > See you down the trail. > Turtle. - ------------------------------------------ Turtle are you getting a cut from C&S, only kidding. Mark told me a while back at one of the eastern events he was getting his supplies and field testing some stuff for C&S, so was John Curry. Mark also mentioned that the foods in the last video #4 Buck furnished, and in the credits of Wes and Jeff's second video it shows Clark & Sons Mercantile as their food source. The old buck is getting around, bad back and all, folks that's really nice of these guys mentioned for the service they're providing to us the re-enacters, sure saves us time doing research, when all we have to do is pickup a magazine these guys write in. Turtle like you said, "thanks a bunch for your efforts guys". ___________________________________ Take care, folks D.L."Concho"Smith + Washington, MO. + "One who favors the finer things in life" ___________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:32:05 EDT From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: felting Joe, Felting has been arond for centuries. Chaucer refers to the "Flemish beaver hat" as early as 1386. Tradition has it that St. Clement, fourth Bishop of Rome, invented felt by putting woold between his feet and sandals for added comfort. The combined force of warmth and moisture (read sweat) coupled with the pressure of his body weight as he walked transfomred the wool into a new material. There's an article in the January 1999 issue of MuzzleBlasts, the NMLRA magazine, called "From Pelt to Felt" which I humbly direct you to for more info and references. If you don't have access to that issue, I'd be happy to mail or fax a copy of the article. Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-456 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 FAX Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:07:16 -0700 From: Huber Subject: Re: MtMan-List: White Women in the West (was: Women at Rendezvous) Angela, You are a God-send to this site. Heavy on the information and light on the chat. We could all well to stand by your example. "Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber At 09:12 AM 8/2/99 -0600, Angela Gottfred wrote: >"Kurt Westenbarger" wrote: >>>Just to clear up the white women in the west story a little: Narcissa >Whitman and >Eliza Spaulding traveled west together with their missionary husbands in 1836<<. > >Here are some other white women involved in the fur trade, when they were >out west, & where (gleaned from Sylvia Van Kirk's _Many Tender Ties_; I've >left out all the white settlers in Red River/Winnipeg): > >Marie-Anne Lajimoniere nee Gaboury > 1806-1850's until 1812, just about anywhere >in Manitoba & Saskatchewan! After 1812(?), Red River area >Jane Barnes 1813-1815? Ft. George >(Astoria) >Eliza Tod nee Waugh 1835?-1838? Bas de la >Riviere, then Oxford House (she had a nervous breakdown & had to go back east) >Catherine McTavish nee Turner 1830-? Moose Factory >Mary Ross nee McBeath 1813-1838? Red R., Norway House >Christy McVicar nee McBeath 1813-early 1830's Ft. Chipewyan, Red River >Jane Beaver (wife of Rev. Beaver) 1836-1838 Ft. Vancouver >Narcissa Whitman 1836-1847 Ft. >Vancouver, Walla Walla > >The last two items make me really wonder--did Jane Beaver and Narcissa >Whitman meet at Fort Vancouver? Does anyone know? > >Your humble & obedient servant, >Angela Gottfred >agottfre@telusplanet.net > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:23:56 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: TVM Pistol Hello the list, Just wanted to let you guys know about a great pistol (and also to keep Larry, Lanny, and Dennis from starting something....). I ordered a Tennessee flinter pistol in .54 from TVM (Jack Garner), and just got back in from sighting it in. Gun shoots and looks good. It's styled very much like the one on the old AMM logo. Mine is a 10" barrel. It hit good at 25 yards after filing down the front sight and adding a little windage. If you're in the market for a pistol of this nature, take a look at TVM. Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:23:59 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Shootin' Bags Hello the List, I'm always interested in what other folks are using for equipment, so here's a question for those who'll answer. What's in your shootin' bag? Also details of the bag, if you want to add it in. My bag is black cowskin, about 8" wide by 7" deep with a 2" gusset. It has kind of a beaver tail flap that is secured by a button. I made it, and it's sewn with linen thread. Inside the bag is: bag with about 25 .520 balls. small tin with patches small tin with grease firestarting kit in oiled cloth bag vent pick and brush antler powder measure (60 grains) .520 bullet mold small lead ladle bar of lead flint wallet folding knife strip of rolled pillow ticking ram rod puller/screwdriver cleaning kit rolled in leather "wallet" containing: tow, tow worm, ball puller, cleaning jag, flint knapping tool. Looking forward to the responses. Thanks ahead for the ideas YMOS, Allen Hall, from Fort Hall country ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:34:22 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Pistol Allen, et al: I have found the same as you... TVM (Jack Garner) makes a fine product. I have both the Kentucky Pistol and Southern Poor Boy Rifle in .54, and the rifle took 1st in a trail walk the first time out. Pistol needed a bit of sighting but is VERY accurate at 25 yds. I would highly recommend all of Jacks products. My shooting bag is a double pocketed elk hide about 9 x 10, with a red wool heart inset in the flap. Its contents vary with the gun(s) I'm carrying. For my TVM Rifle / Pistol I carry about 30 balls in .530, tin can full of .010 patches soaked in Moose Milk and a small corked tin bottle of Moose Milk for lubing and swabbing, along with a set of flinters tools, ram rod attachments and small flints pouch. The strap holds my patch knife, powder measure and ball starter. Barney Fife "GIVE a man a fish and he'll eat for a day; TEACH a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer for the rest of his life." Book of Fish 24:7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Frank V. Rago" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shootin' Bags My shooting bag is made from a dark brown 13" wide snapping turtle shell. I have lined it with red flannel and put a large pocket in it. The strap is a braided leather that comes off quickly since I like to wear the bag on my belt. Inside is my flint & steel can, mag.glass, and my rifle tools. Thats it, when I am in the woods I will put my patches/tickling, small tin of ball lube, an old pocket knife and cleaning cloth and thats about it. I keep my round balls in a small pouch on the belt which also has my powder measurer in it. I know the shell is not to authentic but it has two big pros over the badger bag I use to use. One, it's waterproof and two I don't have to worry about ripping it I can pack it full. At 11:23 PM 8/3/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hello the List, > >I'm always interested in what other folks are using for equipment, so here's >a question for those who'll answer. > >What's in your shootin' bag? Also details of the bag, if you want to add it >in. > >My bag is black cowskin, about 8" wide by 7" deep with a 2" gusset. It has >kind of a beaver tail flap that is secured by a button. I made it, and it's >sewn with linen thread. > >Inside the bag is: > >bag with about 25 .520 balls. small tin with patches >small tin with grease firestarting kit in oiled cloth bag >vent pick and brush antler powder measure (60 grains) >.520 bullet mold small lead ladle >bar of lead flint wallet >folding knife strip of rolled pillow ticking >ram rod puller/screwdriver > >cleaning kit rolled in leather "wallet" containing: tow, tow worm, ball >puller, cleaning jag, flint knapping tool. > >Looking forward to the responses. Thanks ahead for the ideas > >YMOS, > >Allen Hall, from Fort Hall country > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #342 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.