RE: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe!

From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #350 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 01 : Number 350 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: steel wool -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Trading Site -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: "Krome-Tan" Believe It or Not !!! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Trading Site -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Traders Row -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Off Topic - Repost -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Old Magazines - Buckskin Report, T+LR, Backwoodsman, etc. -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Firearms/building and repair -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:12:27 -0400 From: Michael Pierce Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment turtle contact me offline if you were with dan anderson and the rest of the party that did part of the louis and clark treck several years back---dan has a e-mail address now and i can give it to you---and will see him in the next few weeks---he is still canterous as usual but has got some new footwear without the holes in the bottom. still doesnt like to tiptoe thru the tulips (PERSONAL JOKE) from the treck--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(727) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 08:22:16 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? On Tue, 10 August 1999, Michael Pierce wrote: > > if you are unhappy with TVM suggest you look at the caywood trade > gun---good quality and totally built by him---including all the > parts---all investment cast and fully interchangeable in the parts---from > gun # 1 to present and he ships 2 or 3 guns a day--- > and a but cheeper than the TVM and good quality. > "Hawk" > Michael Pierce __________________________ I agree - got three long guns and a pistol from Caywood in the "white" and would compare them to any custom for style and design. Turtle. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:23:08 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: steel wool Friends, Does anyone out there know when steel wool and sandpaper were invented? TIA, HBC **************************************** Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because It's There ****** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:38:04 -0400 From: ad.miller@mindspring.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trading Site Thanks for the plug, Hawk... email is ad.miller@mindspring.com ... no "s"... :) If you get down to naples, look me up... would like to meet you and go to lunch.. Ad - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Pierce To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 11:09 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trading Site >adison miller on the mlml chat just opened up a tradeing site---no cost >to you or the buyer---he will post your stuff on his board---his e-mail >address is ad.miller@mindsprings.com (I hope that is correct)--- > "Hawk" >Michael Pierce >854 Glenfield Dr. >Palm Harbor, florida 34684 >1-(727) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com > >On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:19:23 -0400 (EDT) "Frank V. Rago" > writes: >>Howdy All, >> >>Wondering if any of you know of a good buckskinner trading site. I >>have >>come across a couple years of old Muzzle Blasts mags and don't really >>feel >>right about selling them but I would trade'm. Any info would be >>greatley >>appreciated. >> >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:33:07 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? when i got my .54 flint southern poor boy (++wood, brass furniture) about 8 years ago, it came with a hand-poured nose cap that had a couple of pits in it. i called him on it, and jack asked me to send the gun back and replaced the cap without hesitation, and he picked up all the expenses in doing so. since that time, he has expanded his shop, added new people, and we can all hear the result.... sounds like he hired some problems and maybe is spending less time than necessary in the quality control area. my matching kentucky pistol came in perfect, and they are both great shooting guns that are admired my everybody who sees them. barney fife ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: George Noe Subject: MtMan-List: "Krome-Tan" Believe It or Not !!! I know ! It's not PEROID !!! But it is forgiving. In the late 1960's early 70's,I tried Taxidermy(got pretty good I thought) When it came to tanning I orderd some "Krome-Tan" and tried it. I tanned several hides and furs(Hair off and on) Then tried some deer hides. Made a vest,and other items. I had several deer hides in the "kroem-Tan" solution in a 30 gal. plastic container. In 1975 I moved from NE Oklahoma to South Central Oklahoma. The hides were moved and stored in a shed.To be worked on when I had time, I checked the water level once in a while and added water to keep the amount about constant. In 1990 we again moved ( about 100 yards), this time no shed. I put the container under an old metal(army surplus)table. In 1995 I purchased a black powder rifle. No shooting bag ??? wonder if those hides out back are any good? I got them out, worked them, Wound up with bag, pants,and sleevless top.( made a set of sleeves like welders sleeves that I can put on over the top of the "shirt" Is this forgiving or not??? 20 + Years In the solution George === George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 11:06:50 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? I have dealt with Jack for probably 30 years, buying, selling , and when I closed my store sold him all the locks, barrels, stocks and misc. gun parts. Like any business, as you get larger and hire help, sometimes parts of the business may suffer due to being so busy and sometimes can't cover all bases. Jack is like anyone else that cares about his customers and will be more than willing to talk over and take care of the problem. I know in Turtle's case I saw the gun, he should have made the call, but let things go to the point that selling it, and moving on was probably the best for everyone involved. Sometimes one has to just flat ass walk away, no matter what the deal. Later, Buck Conner dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ _____________________________________ NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade and early history of the times. AMM journal The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year - quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:54:41 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? Buck writes: > I have dealt with Jack for probably 30 years, buying, selling , and when I > closed my store sold him all the locks, barrels, stocks and misc. gun parts. I have two guns by Jack....an early Virginia and an Early English fowler. The Virginia was signed on the barrel by Jack, so I assume it was his work. I bought it 2nd hand from a guy who was hard up for money, but the gun had never been fired. It sat in my dry arid closet all winter, and developed a hairline crack down through the wrist. Could have been the wood, could have been cause my house was too dry, or could have been because the guy I bought it from cranked the screws down way too tight. No one knows, but I don't think its anyone's fault. Those things happen. You can view that gun at http://oldfoxtraders.com/garner.thm > Like any business, as you get larger and hire help, sometimes parts of the > business may suffer due to being so busy and sometimes can't cover all bases. Toni runs the front, and a sweeter southern belle you will never meet. Her husband, Matt, does most of the shop work. I don't know how much Jack is involved now. I specifically commissioned Matt to make my English fowler. I spent almost a year traveling around gun shows and such, specifically hand picking all the parts I wanted on the gun, so that it would be a unique, one of a kind gun. I sent all the parts to Matt, along with my specifications. We conversed on the phone several times along the building process to verify exactly what I had in mind. He couldn't use the stock I sent him, and made another one for no extra charge, keeping my wood for a gun that it would fit. I had some fancy carving done on it. All the parts were extremely ornate and required some amount of skill to inlet. It was built to my length of pull. TVM only charged me $250 to make this gun. In my business, that pays for only 5 hours labor, and I know he had a hell of lot more time in it than that. I spent over $700 on the parts alone. Anyone who thinks these gunmakers are getting rich need to reexamine the process. > Jack is like anyone else that cares about his customers and will be more > than willing to talk over and take care of the problem. Anyone who has a problem with any gun should always call the maker and discuss it in a calm rational manner. Most go out of their way to help you. > I know in Turtle's case I saw the gun, he should have made the call, but let > things go to the point that selling it, and moving on was probably the best > for everyone involved. Don't know if Turtle's gun was commissioned or bought as a stock gun. I mentioned that they kept my stock. I'm sure that at some point, they made a gun from it to recoup their losses. Spare things accumulate around the shop and have to be moved out to make some money. I know other gunmakers who routinely take their UPS damaged guns, leftover stocks, and other parts, and use them to put together a gun during the slow time. They sell these guns at Rendezvous and shows for a discount as show guns, or they sell them to beginners who aren't as critical about everything. If you commission a gun, then it should meet certain standards. If you just buy a gun off the rack or from stock, chances are the quality will not be quite as high. However, it takes almost the same amount of work to make a lousy gun as it does a good one. > Sometimes one has to just flat ass walk away, no matter what the deal. Yup, sometimes you gotta do that to. I probably could have called and sqwuaked about the crack in the Virginia and they would have restocked it for me. However, since I bought it second hand, I didn't figure it was there problem. I'll probably take the loss on the gun, but that's the way I think. Others might think otherwise. Dave Kanger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:56:51 -0400 From: Tom Roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover Larry, Thanks for the reply. That article is where I started but I hope to find some more technical details. Thanks, Tom Huber wrote: > Tom, > An article by Gary Mueller in BOOK OF BUCKSKINNING IV indicates that: "Gun > cases were also made of wool. Nothing beats wool to repel water and > moisture, therefore helping keep you and your gun dry and warm." He cites > a lot of works at the end of the article but quotes nothing specific to > back up this assumption. I carry my trade gun in a wool case similar to > the one pictured in this article. I had heard that new guns were often > shipped to a buyer in woolen cases but I can't remember the source I read > this in. The article goes into some detail on colors styles and prices > paid for point blankets, etc. Worth reading. > > Shoots-the-Prairie Larry Huber > > At 09:16 PM 8/8/99 -0400, you wrote: > >After searching the E-mail archives, my meager library, and a few other > >sources and coming up empty, I pose this question: > >Is there any correct style, construction, color, etc for a gun cover > >made from a wool blanket, or is this something that has > >too many possible variations to be wrong. I suspect there are probably > >no originals around to see. Any ideas or thoughts before I put the > >knife to this old moth-eaten dirty red blanket? > > > >Thanx, Tom > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:13:45 -0400 From: Tom Roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover Excellent point. I have also considered an oiled or painted canvas cover with perhaps a wool lining for those expected times when dry is only a memory. Making one would be easy but authenticating it may prove tough indeed. Does one typically plug the muzzle during times of transport or shall we let it breathe? Tom turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > > The biggest problem with wool is if moisture gets on the gun and its put in the wool case, the wool will hold the moisture and within 24 hours or less you have a nice rusted gun. We have found when around water, canoe trips, etc. one is better off to remove the weapon and carry it out of the case, before putting it back in the case - make sure case is dry, wipe the gun down with a light coat of oil. Leather cases are worst yet. > > Turtle. > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:29:38 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trading Site You might try this site it's another message board message: www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb106703. Been lots of good tips and stuff passed back and forth. Still... YMHS ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ "Sleeps Loudly" Smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:47:34 -0400 From: ad.miller@mindspring.com Subject: MtMan-List: Traders Row This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEE369.312A9CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There has been a posting on the TRADERS ROW site. http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216/trader.htm Past issues of MUZZLE BLAST magazines from the late 50s on up... email = responses direct to the lister on site... - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEE369.312A9CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEE369.312A9CA0-- ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 16:56:23 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? > I have two guns by Jack....an early Virginia and an Early English fowler. > The Virginia was signed on the barrel by Jack, so I assume it was his work. > > Dave Kanger ............................ Dave, I see we agree on this subject about dealing with whatever the dealer is selling. Be calm and go easy when trying to get a problem settled, when I still had a retail store - that's what I would preach to anyone behind the counter. To stay in business, and the one Dave is in is tough. Any service type business whether your the May Tag Man or the lock builder, you have to treat the customer just the way you like to be treated. Man I've made some hairy deals in trying to keep a customer happy, and you "Turtle" know how close the profit margain was on some of our dealings. That's why he will make a remark about me or my store, as others have. If I took them down the trail and shorted them, do you think they would even say anything - hell NO. There are a lot of good guys in the gun business and Old Jack is one, I took him on his first buffalo hunt back in the early '80's, with Freddie Harris and some of his other southern buddies, had a heck of a time figuring out what they would say when a buffalo would run at them. I thought they where saying "shoot" - that's what I'm yelling, turned out afterward, they where saying "oh shi...", we where close. I have hunted, camped, got drunk and just had fun with these guys, and Jack never changes, he's just a Southern Gentleman. Thanks for your time. Later, Buck Conner dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ _____________________________________ NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade and early history of the times. AMM journal The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year - quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Off Topic - Repost One or two lists back, someone posted an e-mail address to send encouraging writings to help bolster morale for his son and others in the Armed Forces stationed in Kosovo. Could someone on the list please post it again. forgot to save it - old age creeping up on me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Old Magazines - Buckskin Report, T+LR, Backwoodsman, etc. This probably is extremely far fetched, but if the Federal Government ever gets the whole country re-wired for Internet-2, all the fantastic golden nuggets of knowledge from these magazines could be downloaded in a few seconds. One of the computer support guys down the hall stated a couple months ago that IF! this ever happens one will be able to download an entire encyclopedia in a matter of a 2-3 seconds. If only the AMM or another such good group had a "cache" or small hut-like storage building where every issue of these magazines could be stored until the Internet-2 happened. Hate to see this knowledge lost. Heard someone once say "never throw anything out - if you throw it out throw it where you can find it" (no doubt a GOOD pack-rat). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:41:39 -0400 From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover Greetings to the list, I have read Barnett trade guns came in a wool case. Do not ask me where i read this little tid-bit of knowledge as I don't remember! Watch yer top knot, Kevin (PossumHunter) Raper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:51:18 -0700 From: terry l landis Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun? first off i didn't mean to bad mouth anybody least of all jack. i just meant to say that the fit wasn't as good as i expected it to be. i was also led to belive in some fable of out of the box accuracy. i like my gun, but when i got it the first thing i noticed was the flaws, and being green as i was i thought there wouldn't be any. as has been said , i doubt jack made this riffle even though his name is on it. i have been able to live with it and i have gotten lot's of compliments on this gun of mine. but for several hundred dollars less i could have gotten a kit and the same quality of workmanship with money left over for accoutrements. over all i give this gun an 8 out of 10 for wood to metal fit, and a 9 for overall looks. i guess i was expecting 10's all the way around for the semi-custom price. hell i might even buy that fowling piece of his my self, but as a kit, it is a fine looking gun. YMHS, "Ephraim" Terry Landis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:19:20 -0500 From: "James Sullivan" Subject: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! Hello List and friends, Today I went up to a mailing center to send out a Bess that a brother has purchased from me. The people behind the counter were very interested in the weapon and others in the shop asked about what it was and how it worked. I obliged, of course, and we all had a great few moments. When it was my turn in line, the person behind the counter said they would have to check with UPS about the rules for guns and took down the info. Well, I had it on good advice that there would be no problems. I had already checked this out with others who had sent out guns (black powder) on a regular basis. Would you believe the guy at UPS told me under no circumstances would they send a gun of any...any...kind out to anyone but a licenced gun dealer. We're talking even a B-B gun!! Are we talking agenda? As I said, I checked this out. There are others who send guns out on a regular basis with no license to others with no license. Of course, tomorrow I'm calling and checking with what I hope will be a higher up. Trust me, I don't want to break any rules, but the gun will (!!!) go out to the guy who bought it. (Don't worry, Deane, you'll get Bess by hook or crook.) I just can't believe that things are coming down to this. Maybe I'm just naive by wanting to be law-abiding and all. Maybe the lawyers and politicians do have the right idea (and if one of you just happens to be one of those, I'm not trying to start a fight) and just break or bend the rules to suit themselves. Sorry if some may think this long commentary a little off-topic, but I felt I needed to share my experience with all of you. I truly hope this is just an isolated incident, but you never can tell with the way things are going. OK, now we can get back to business and those who wish may flame away!! James Sullivan ALRA #78, COHT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:04:02 -0700 From: randybublitz@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! James, I've sent my firelock by UPS several times. When I attend an event, which I will fly to, I send firearms UPS to friends nearby to avoid airline hassles. I insure it, and state that it is a flintlock, muzzle loading, smooth bore. Not,many UPS people have a clue what I am talking about (and I don't smarten up chumps). If someone asks, I just nonchalantley say it's a reproduction antique. The point is; keep them in the dark, and insure it. Don't mention key words; gun-firearm-etc... After a canoe trip to N. Dakota, my partner drove to town from his farm and shipped it back home for me. On his way home he heard on the radio that UPS went on Strike! Too late, he worried about it and called me. I told him, don't worry it's as safe as if they weren't on strike. Sure enough it showed up a few weeks later, after UPS settled the strike. I'm just glad the strike happened after the event...no harm done. We shouldn't have to worry about such things, being 'free' americans...but we do! Motivate, fight back....write letters, etc... or we'll all be without our beloved firelocks at events, because we just 'might' be terrorists, right wing fanatics, ENEMIES OF THE STATE!!!! Instead of freedom loving, history loving educators.... Don't let THEM decide what you are.... I feel your frustration. Hardtack Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give up your Rights ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:27:41 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! JW, Its pretty bizarre all right. In checking the websites, UPS (www.ups.com) classifies firearms as prohibited goods and apparently will not ship them at all. It was not always this way. FedEx (www.fedex.com) will ship them via priority overnight delivery ONLY, and ONLY if the shipper OR receiver is a LICENSED manufacturer, importer, dealer or collector. It just another example of the ways things are headed. Yesterday here in LA was another perfect example of peoples blindness. Some deranged idiot shoots up a community center, and every politician and law enforcement officer talks about guns and the need to eliminate them from society. NOT ONE talked about the brain-damaged coward that did the shooting being eliminated from society or punishing people (eliminating them from society) for improper use of firearms such as robbery, etc. TEDDY KENNEDY'S CAR AND JFK JR'S AIRPLANE HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN MY GUNS but Kennedy wants to ban guns. Go figure. Only thing I can figure is to stockpile all necessary supplies (powder, projectiles and guns while you can, and register the cheap shitty ones so you can turn something in later. Not even sure that will help. Barney Fife ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:32:20 -0700 From: randybublitz@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! After thought..... this reminds me of when the A.M.M. was published (in the L.A. times) at the end of a long list of "militia" groups. A bunch of us were talking about it , and someone snickered "what are we gonna do, take over the gov't with our flintlocks?" Someone else added "It's happened at least once before!" This is an argument some Liberal may use against us. Sound rediculous? How many other things have transpired that at first sounded ridiculous? Forwarned is forarmed. Our rights are being seriously threatened. Hardtack Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give up your Rights ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:38:42 -0700 From: randybublitz@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! Hell, come to think of it, the only guy I know of who has shot someone , did it by accident...... Sorry brother, couldn't resist....Hardtack Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give up your Rights ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:59:44 -0400 From: "Nelson, R Scott" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEE4C2.8AFB57CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" James, Since you are required to declare what is inside your package, just say that it is "machined parts". You won't be lying! -----Original Message----- From: James Sullivan [SMTP:jwsullivan@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 11:19 PM To: Native List; hist_text@lists.xmission.com; COHT; ALRA Subject: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEE4C2.8AFB57CE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe!

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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEE4C2.8AFB57CE-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:15:30 -0400 From: "Laura Glise" Subject: MtMan-List: Firearms/building and repair A couple of weeks ago someone posted to the list wanting the name of someone to assemble a rifle kit. Steve Zihn repaired a badly damaged double-barrel shotgun for me three years ago at the Riverton, Wyoming 1838 Reenactment. He is reasonable, a fine craftsman and a nice guy. Steve Zihn 112 Riggs Road Shoshoni, WY 82649 307-856-6431 I recommend you send him your "machined parts" as Nelson coined the phrase. Laura Glise - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! http://webmail.bellsouth.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:07:45 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! NO!..........NOT "EVERY" LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 10:27 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! > JW, Its pretty bizarre all right. In checking the websites, UPS > (www.ups.com) classifies firearms as prohibited goods and apparently will not > ship them at all. It was not always this way. FedEx (www.fedex.com) will ship > them via priority overnight delivery ONLY, and ONLY if the shipper OR > receiver is a LICENSED manufacturer, importer, dealer or collector. > > It just another example of the ways things are headed. Yesterday here in LA > was another perfect example of peoples blindness. Some deranged idiot shoots > up a community center, and every politician and law enforcement officer talks > about guns and the need to eliminate them from society. NOT ONE talked about > the brain-damaged coward that did the shooting being eliminated from society > or punishing people (eliminating them from society) for improper use of > firearms such as robbery, etc. > > TEDDY KENNEDY'S CAR AND JFK JR'S AIRPLANE HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN MY > GUNS but Kennedy wants to ban guns. Go figure. > Only thing I can figure is to stockpile all necessary supplies (powder, > projectiles and guns while you can, and register the cheap shitty ones so you > can turn something in later. Not even sure that will help. Barney Fife > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:35:36 -0600 From: "Ron Chamberlain" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277 Disarmament Series 5 http://www.he.net/~exclsior/mscott/disarm.html Check out this webpage!!! Every President since this document was formed has backed it up and 'they' are in Stage 2, and getting closer to stage 3 all the time! Ron - -----Original Message----- From: James Sullivan To: Native List ; hist_text@lists.xmission.com ; COHT ; ALRA Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 10:28 PM Subject: MtMan-List: You ain't gonna believe! >Hello List and friends, >Today I went up to a mailing center to send out a Bess that a brother has >purchased from me. The people behind the counter were very interested in the >weapon and others in the shop asked about what it was and how it worked. I >obliged, of course, and we all had a great few moments. > >When it was my turn in line, the person behind the counter said they would >have to check with UPS about the rules for guns and took down the info. >Well, I had it on good advice that there would be no problems. I had already >checked this out with others who had sent out guns (black powder) on a >regular basis. > >Would you believe the guy at UPS told me under no circumstances would they >send a gun of any...any...kind out to anyone but a licenced gun dealer. >We're talking even a B-B gun!! Are we talking agenda? As I said, I checked >this out. There are others who send guns out on a regular basis with no >license to others with no license. Of course, tomorrow I'm calling and >checking with what I hope will be a higher up. > >Trust me, I don't want to break any rules, but the gun will (!!!) go out to >the guy who bought it. (Don't worry, Deane, you'll get Bess by hook or >crook.) I just can't believe that things are coming down to this. Maybe I'm >just naive by wanting to be law-abiding and all. Maybe the lawyers and >politicians do have the right idea (and if one of you just happens to be one >of those, I'm not trying to start a fight) and just break or bend the rules >to suit themselves. > >Sorry if some may think this long commentary a little off-topic, but I felt >I needed to share my experience with all of you. I truly hope this is just >an isolated incident, but you never can tell with the way things are going. > >OK, now we can get back to business and those who wish may flame away!! > >James Sullivan ALRA #78, COHT > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #350 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.