From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #369 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, September 13 1999 Volume 01 : Number 369 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:46:26 -0500 -       MtMan-List: Re: old trade beads -       MtMan-List: Buck, and bear fat -       Re: MtMan-List: Buck, and bear fat -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: old trade beads -       MtMan-List: rejoining [off topic?] -       MtMan-List: AMM AUCTION -       Re: MtMan-List: rejoining [off topic?] -       MtMan-List: Friendship-----"long post" -       MtMan-List: rifle barrel -       MtMan-List: Way off the list...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:46:29 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:46:26 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEFC53.A91A22A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re: Waco To those who agreed with my observation that this list is intended = for our pre-1850 interests. I thank you. To those who somehow inferred that I am choosing to ignore current = items of importance to the shooting community [regardless of which end = they load from], I must say, friend you got me wrong. I have spent many years, much time, money and effort supporting the = 2nd Amendment. And, yes, I do send money to the NRA. However, I believe this list is not the venue for those discussions. = And, dang it, you got me discussing out of the intended realm of this = list. Last time. Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEFC53.A91A22A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    To those who agreed with my = observation=20 that this list is intended for our pre-1850 interests.  I thank=20 you.
    To those who somehow inferred = that I am=20 choosing to ignore current items of importance to the shooting community = [regardless of which end they load from], I must say, friend you got me=20 wrong.
    I have spent many years, much time, money and = effort=20 supporting the 2nd Amendment. And, yes, I do send money to the = NRA.
    However, I believe this list is not the venue = for those=20 discussions.  And, dang it, you got me discussing out of the = intended realm=20 of this list. Last time.
Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas
- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEFC53.A91A22A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:20:39 -0400 From: Rebecca Bargar Subject: MtMan-List: Re: old trade beads Hello List Folks- I have been a lurker on the list for a while and was wondering what information you all can put in about the old beads traded for furs. I am a collector and would love to know more of the history of the beads, I know their origins but would love to know more about their use especially old greenhearts, whitehearts, cross trails, and Russian Blues etc. Thanks so much. I enjoy the discussions even when they leave the perscribed realm of the list. Becky the BeadWoman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:37:26 -0500 From: Mike Rock Subject: MtMan-List: Buck, and bear fat Good thoughtful comments by Buck, as always. And I for one do not think it is too far off topic, as firearm are, and have been, our lives. Please, take his comments in a constructive way, as they were intended. Now, ON topic, Bear fat. I have access to some in a friends freezer...been there nearly ten years. Some of it got thawed a bit a few years ago, but it seems okay. If we render it for non-cooking use, do you think it will be okay, proper smell, and all? Only rendered bear once, and it is great stuff. Made great fry bread, too! The tip on clarifying the oil was good, and worked for us. Any advice?? Thanks, Rock ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 1999 19:10:33 -0700 From: "Concho" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buck, and bear fat > On Sat, 11 September 1999, Mike Rock wrote: > Good thoughtful comments by Buck, as always. And I for one do > not think it is too far off topic, as firearm are, and have > been, our lives. Please, take his comments in a constructive > way, as they were intended. Agreed Mike, Like you, Turtle, Buck, myself and others on this list AND our forefathers; we seen what an armed force can do (through history) to unarmed citizens - Romans to today. I also remember as ones mentioned remember our welcoming home in the 60's and 70's - when was the last time you where spit on brother. Thank God our forefather didn't experience that, or none of us would be here today. Let's change the subject, thanks Buck. I would be real careful with the bear fat that defrosted, wouldn't know what may be growing without a lab test. Turtle and myself had some buff lard go bad, that's real unusal - because buffalo rendered fat can handle 30 degree to 80 degree weather. The Amish and Quakers use it for sore libs, like we would use "Heat" or one of the other products for ackes and pains. Buck Na d myself shot a couple of average bears in central PA one time and damn near had to fight to keep the criters. Local Amish women wanted the fat for their cures, we had them loaded and ready to go, everything was cool and then Buck gave them the fat. He came out looking good and I ended up the butt of the whole thing. Dennis and Turtle could ask the Amish near them about the defrosted fat and what they would do, their ways are as old as we can get for the 1800-1840 period. Probably the "Closter" (not sure of the spelling) are older and have a small settlement near Reading PA if anyone on the list is near there, bear meat and bear fat was a big deal for feasts with these people. "May the spirit be with you" D.L."Concho" Smith Livingston, MO. Historical Coordinator - Missouri ___________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:20:56 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: old trade beads beckey---contact dan anderson in decatur ill---his e-mail address is decaturdan@juno.com---he is a vast store of knowledge on trade beads and old beeds and he has one of the lewis and clark blue ones---few of years ago he got to admireing my goose egg chevrons that I won at a shooting match back in the 60's ---he admired them so much I finally gave them to him for a christmas gift about 3 years ago---and when we were trecking out west the next year we went thru the big flee market in new mexico---some guy was trying to sell some that were the size of robins eggs and explaining how to date them dan asked him if he ever saw goose egg sized ones and he said no so dan went to the truck and brought them out---should have seen the guys lip drop---6 goose egg chevrons---pre 1800 verson---the guy followed dan around most of the day trying to buy them---and his belt pouch that Jonny ketchum made for him out of burial beads. he has some interesting beaded stuff---ask him about his walk-about stick which is bead woven the top 2 1/5 feet of it---with the extra-small beads-put on one bead at a time. YMHOSANT =+= "HAWK" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:20:39 -0400 Rebecca Bargar writes: > Hello List Folks- I have been a lurker on the list for a while and > was > wondering what information you all can put in about the old beads > traded > for furs. I am a collector and would love to know more of the > history of > the beads, I know their origins but would love to know more about > their > use especially old greenhearts, whitehearts, cross trails, and > Russian > Blues etc. Thanks so much. I enjoy the discussions even when they > leave > the perscribed realm of the list. Becky the BeadWoman > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: rejoining [off topic?] unable to reach clerk via e-mail Can anyone help?I want to contact him about renewing membership. Dog, Gabe's Hole Brig. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:14:25 -0400 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: MtMan-List: AMM AUCTION Hello again, Just wanted all to know that we have allot of new items on the site and the bids are a flyin fast and furious. Thanks for your support and help, it looks like this endeavor may be a success. The site is at: http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1/Auction.htm Bookmark it and check back often! Thanks Dennis Miles AMM#1622 Hiv. Doc Newell Party, Ohio "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 1999 09:33:54 -0700 From: "Buck" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rejoining [off topic?] On Sun, 12 September 1999, Ronald Schrotter wrote: > > unable to reach clerk via e-mail Can anyone help?I want to contact him > about renewing membership. Dog, Gabe's Hole Brig. > Dog, read under sign off. Later, Buck Conner AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado Territory http://klesinger.com/jbp/swf1.html __________________________________ The AMM Journal. The Tomahawk & Long Rifle 3483 Squires * Conklin, MI 49403 ATTN: Jon Link Subscription rate for the T&LR is $20 for a year - qtr issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov. _____________________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:23:02 -0700 From: "John Hunt" Subject: MtMan-List: Friendship-----"long post" To those whom missed the first day of Friendship; I spent a long day at this event on the first day accompanied by my running partner Mike (Mad Mike) Bowling. I`ll start with the primitive camp. Just outside the gate was frybread Mary in her usual spot with her good frybreads of assorted fruits and meat and rice mixtures or sausage. Was a line it seemed most of the time. Fine eat`in. The overall participants in camp was low. I didn`t count, my guess was about three dozen, give or take. I don`t remember names of traders, will try to give items from a small memory. Was several traders with hides and leather, some paintings and drawings. Quite a few knives, most were of nice eye appeal, some knives were of high dollar, some were affordable by the working man. Most trade blankets consisted of the usual items we all have to get rid of. Early inapproiate items, and items bought on impulse we don`t need. There was quite a few horns for powder to be made. I believe the horn amounts and shapes and quality were the best I`ve seen there for a few years. If you couldn`t find the shape or size to suit you, your too picky. I found a couple to fit my left side, good color and shape. One trader had a large amount of antlers of various types, deer, elk, a few moose, "small ones or pieces". The camp was an extremely friendly one, everyone had time to talk,tell a tale or visit. Although it was small there was some good quality items to be bought or traded for. I noticed more talks on trades than normally was heard. Commercial row. As many of you have heard the rumors of politics interfering with the operations of commercial row, their was quite a few empty spaces in the sheep sheds. As I said rumors. In this section as in primitive, horns were in abundance. Good color, size, shape of raw horns. Very few black Mexican horns, few not many. Some of the known gun builders were there. Won`t try to name, due to short memory. Several well known knife makers as well. Good looking quality knives were there, along with the prices of quality. I heard one knife maker tell a potential customer, there is a lot of hand work in a knife, a lot of hours, you get what you pay for, and quality costs. A short time later as I passed by again, I saw the customer writing a check. Some old original pieces were there. Seen a few old bags, horns, knives, and beads. Was several dealers with old original gun parts. I found a set of matching hammers for my English double barrel, a set of extra springs for both locks. Been looking for a few years, didn`t want repo`s. Seemed to be more than normal the amount of across the counter type gun dealers. From a distance I thought I seen some synthetic stocked in line pieces. "My fingers hurt typeing that". Seen some nice custom built pieces, high quality, easy on the eye, heavy on the pocketbook guns. I`m sure many of you seen in Muzzleloader the Mark Silverman gun, all I can say "should of seen them in person, beautiful". Their was low attendance of the public, low attendance of us. The low attendance made for good deals. Some think attendance is hurt by the date, families with kids and schooling. If any of you go there, be sure to fasten that damn seatbelt. Between the flea market and the gate at commercial row was three Indiana state police men standing along the road with radios in hand looking in windows for seat belts. A little ways down they were flagging them to the side and issue citations. I assume they figure everyone`s got some money in their pockets, lets get us a piece of the action. I`m sure some of you were there too and seen things differently than me. This is my opinion. I`m sure yours will be different. I`ll respect yours if you respect mine. John (BIG JOHN) Hunt Longhunter Mountainman southwest Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:51:34 -0500 From: bvannoy Subject: MtMan-List: rifle barrel I need some help in identifying some proof marks on an older half stock barrel. Please contact me off list at bvannoy@mciworld.com Thanks Bill"Chases Hawks"Vannoy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:10:04 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: MtMan-List: Way off the list...... Well guys, now we have a hurricane named Floyd. If you do not hear from us East Coast people for a while, just wait, we maybe flying by in the wind. Say hello as we pass. Getting all the guns, art work, Powder is buried, and myself ready. Tipi is being put into storage as I may have to live in it. Just what I wanted in life, Camping out in what is left of my back yard. Say a prayer for us Fla. people....we need it. Linda Holley ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #369 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.