From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #380 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 380 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous) -       Re: MtMan-List: A Survey -       RE: MtMan-List: Wrought Iron -       Re: MtMan-List: A Survey -       Re: MtMan-List: A Survey -       MtMan-List: Hey Guy's Gals,Lady here needs help fast.E mail at bottom -       Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes -       RE: MtMan-List: Wrought Iron -       Re: MtMan-List: A Survey -       Re: MtMan-List: A Survey -       Re: MtMan-List: A Survey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:03:25 +0000 From: R Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bacon ? (and food at rendezvous) turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > HAVE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION WITH THE MAN, HE GOT US TO USING ONE POT FOR EVERYTHING, COOKING, WASHING, DRINKING, ETC. - MAKES LIFE MUCH EASIER AND LESS EQPTMT TO LOOK AFTER. BUCK YOU HAVE CARRIED THAT "FRENCH" COPPER POT FOR YEARS;BUCK WOULD TELL THE CANOE BOYS THAT YOU ONLY NEED ONE POT TO: > "EAT OUT OF IT" - > "DRINK OUT OF IT" - > "WASH YOURSELF AND YOUR CLOTHES OUT OF IT" - > AND IT WORKS AS I NOW DO THE SAME. > ---------------------------------- Turtle, Simple question. How big is that copper pot. Height, width? For one person? I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:58:34 +0000 From: The Sweeneys Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Survey - --------------6607DE9ADCA4E03C685A1158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Here we go!! > > SEX(M/F): Male > AGE: 29 > SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m): married > MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N): yes (Army) > ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer): > WHITE X > BLACK > HISPANIC > ASIAN > NATIVE AM. (also list tribe) > EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by > the appropriate answer) > HIGH SCHOOL X > TRADE OR VO-TECH > COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY > OTHER > OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): Ranch hand > INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer) > UNDER $20,000 > 20,000-35,000 X > 50,000-100,000 > ABOVE 100,000 > POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): > Independent > ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN > SCOUTING?(Y/N): Yes > WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? > (YEAR): 1998 > WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR > BUCKSKINNING? > HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), > OTHER: The Daniel Boone TV show and the movie > Northwest Passage, that I saw as a kid. Had I > known about Buckskinning I would have gotten > involved much sooner. It took till 1998 when I saw > an article in the newspaper about it. > HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best > answer) > LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH > ONCE A MONTH > 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY X > DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): Yes > WHAT DO YOU HUNT? deer, bear, turkey, rabbit. > > ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): > Yes > WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) > PERCUSSION (P): Both > WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate > answer): > HAWKEN/PLAINS X > LONGRIFLE X > TRADE GUN > INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to > ask) > > DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? > (Y/N) Yes > TYPE: LOCAL Sierra Muzzleloaders > STATE > NATIONAL COHT > WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE > LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? > LIVING HISTORY X > PRIMITIVE CAMPING X > SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING > STRICTLY HUNTING > RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) > DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): Yes > HOW MANY PER YEAR? 6 > DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): Yes > FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for > appropriate answer): > HIGH ROCKIES > S.W./TAOS > PLAINS/FRONTIER > FRENCH > COLONIAL > OTHER (explain) Eastern Woodsman (1750s New > York and Pennsylvania area) > DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS > IMPORTANT? > (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): Yes > MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN > A BEARD? > (Y/N): I usually have a beard during the > winter months. > DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS > PRACTICES INTO > YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): Yes > DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? > (Y/N): Not yet > IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: > DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, > BLACKSMITHING, > ETC.,)? (Y/N): Not yet, I'm interested in > tanning. > SPECIFY: > DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO > PORTRAYING YOUR > IMAGE. (Y/N): > ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): No > IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT > IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL > HOBBY? (F/I): Family > DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? > (Y/N): Yes > HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE > FRONTIER? (Y/N): Yes > DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM > THE PRESSING > MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): Yes > > Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it > all. > My favorite part of Buckskinning is Historical > Trekking. I try to get out for a trek once a month > at least. Theres nothing better than than being > in the mountains for a week with just your rifle, > primitive clothing, and gear. Mick > > > > - --------------6607DE9ADCA4E03C685A1158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
 

Here we go!!

SEX(M/F): Male
AGE: 29
SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m): married
MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N): yes (Army)
ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer):
    WHITE  X
    BLACK
    HISPANIC
    ASIAN
    NATIVE AM. (also list tribe)
EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate answer)
    HIGH SCHOOL   X
    TRADE OR VO-TECH
    COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY
    OTHER
OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): Ranch hand
INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer)
    UNDER $20,000
    20,000-35,000  X
    50,000-100,000
    ABOVE 100,000
POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): Independent
ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): Yes
WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): 1998
WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING?
    HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER:  The Daniel Boone TV show and the movie Northwest Passage, that I saw as a kid. Had I known about Buckskinning I would have gotten involved much sooner. It took till 1998 when I saw an article in the newspaper about it.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer)
    LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH
    ONCE A MONTH
    2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY  X
DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): Yes
    WHAT DO YOU HUNT?  deer, bear, turkey, rabbit.
ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): Yes
WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): Both
WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer):
    HAWKEN/PLAINS  X
    LONGRIFLE  X
    TRADE GUN
    INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask)

DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) Yes
    TYPE: LOCAL  Sierra Muzzleloaders
               STATE
               NATIONAL  COHT
WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING?
    LIVING HISTORY  X
    PRIMITIVE CAMPING  X
    SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING
    STRICTLY HUNTING
    RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress)
DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): Yes
    HOW MANY PER YEAR? 6
DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): Yes
FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer):
    HIGH ROCKIES
    S.W./TAOS
    PLAINS/FRONTIER
    FRENCH
    COLONIAL
    OTHER (explain)  Eastern Woodsman (1750s New York and Pennsylvania area)
DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT?
    (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): Yes
MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD?
    (Y/N): I usually have a beard during the winter months.
DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO
     YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): Yes
DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): Not yet
    IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?:
DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING,
    ETC.,)? (Y/N): Not yet, I'm interested in tanning.
    SPECIFY:
DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR
    IMAGE. (Y/N):
ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): No
IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL
    HOBBY? (F/I): Family
DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): Yes
HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): Yes
DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING
    MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): Yes

Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all.
 My favorite part of Buckskinning is Historical Trekking. I try to get out for a trek once a month at least. Theres nothing better than  than being in the mountains for a week with just  your rifle, primitive clothing, and gear.

        Mick
 
 
 
 
  - --------------6607DE9ADCA4E03C685A1158-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:05:09 -0700 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wrought Iron Dear John Are you really saying that before 1946 (vs 1846) bridges used only wrought iron? Would this also apply to the structural steel used in skyscrapers? Did bridges continue using the real thing for corrosion protection or some other reason? Or did you mean pre-1846 which would be quite believable for many reasons. Also, I heard old wagon tires were a good source of wrought iron. I assisted Gary Sweany at the forge a few times, which is where I learned what little I know. YMOS Pat Quilter - -----Original Message----- From: John Kramer [mailto:kramer@kramerize.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:15 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: MtMan-List: New Guy Todd, I'm not much of a smith myself. I have known some of the best there ever was. The folks who have extensive experience in smithing the old way -- without compromise -- have impressed a couple of things on me over the years. 1. Real charcoal is superior to coal. Gas is convenient. 2. Real wrought iron is superior to, and very different to work, than mild steel. Real charcoal can be acquired from restaurant supply companies that service open grill steakhouses. You can make your own. Real wrought iron can be acquired with a cutting torch from any pre-1964 iron bridge. Just whack off what you need. Things can get spicy if the bridge is still in service. This with small additions of carbon steel, only where it was needed, was what was primarily used in the early nineteenth century. To know how things were they must be done as they were. Then you'll really know if newer is bigger, better and improved. Results are oft surprising. John... At 07:39 PM 9/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm also a relative newcomer, only I'm located north of Kansas City. I >also just got all my parts together to set up my forge and start smithing >again. Been several years, and I mostly just shaped some trap stakes, >figured I might want to try it with coal, just fer grins. It'll be nice to >talk to someone about smithing. > >Todd > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-hist_text@list s.xmission.com]On Behalf Of >> Cherokeoil@aol.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:04 AM >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy >> >> >> Where abouts are you located? I`m just south of Kansas City. I`m >> a new comer >> to. >> > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:45:21 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Survey Gentlemen He asked that you send your responses back to his private email address OFFLIST. For people who are supposed to be used to paying attention to the smallest detail in your documentation, it would seem that many of you are sorely lacking in your reading and cognitive skills. If you won't pay "attention" because you don't know how much you owe him, it's five bucks. Make it payable to the AMM cause they are trying to raise money and could use your donation. Dave Kanger "If you think education is expensive, consider the cost of ignorance!!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:23:16 +0000 From: R Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Survey Frank V. Rago wrote: Mark wrote: > >Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then > >they won't inundate the discussion board. > > > >Here we go!! > > Here we go > > >EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate > >answer) > > HIGH SCHOOL > > TRADE OR VO-TECH > > COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY - X Frank, Glad to know you so well now. Looks like that college/university time was a waste though. Thought we were supposed to answer this off list!? I remain.... Susceptible to error myself, YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:14:08 EDT From: RangerSF5@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Hey Guy's Gals,Lady here needs help fast.E mail at bottom wildernesselite - http://www.angelfire.com/nj/IamSF5/index.html My daughter and her family just moved into an older home about a quarter of a mile from a creek. It is a heavily populated neighborhood. About three AM they awoke to a horrible smell and their dog was rubbing himself all over the floor and furniture. They think that a skunk must have come through the doggie door and sprayed the dog. I went to help clean up and air out the house and it is indeed horrible. There appeared to be a greasy substance covering about a four foot section of the tile floor and yellow spots on the carpet. Even food inside the refrigerator and ice from the freezer stink. Insurance does not cover varmits. I have several questions that some of you are hopefully able to help with. Are there any other animals besides skunks that could do this? There are no holes around the fence line. Can skunks climb? One neighbor insisted that they can not. What type of nest or dwelling do skunks have? Where would I look for him to catch him? After I catch the skunk,how do I keep him from spraying me? I worry about rabies since I have three young grandchildren. Isn't it odd for a wild animal to come to an area with so many people? How do we clean my daughters carpets,clothes,furniture, and get rid of that smell? Is there anything to discourage this skunk and the possum that scratches around on their roof all night? My husband and I would just shoot the poor things if they were bothering us on our property,but we do not live in the city. I hope that someone can suggest some solutions. The smell is overpowering.------Karen Kerr davidk88@texas.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:34:49 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF09D7.C39F9F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OOPS ! ! ! This post wasn't meant for the list either. Seems to be a = epidemic of this lately. Pendleton -----Original Message----- From: larry pendleton To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes =20 =20 I have a e-mail in to Gordon, to see if he is coming to our doins. = I doubt it but I thought I would ask. [ invite him again ] I haven't = heard back from him yet. Pendleton -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:04 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes =20 =20 =20 I hope what I said was that bossloper was probably a variation = of an old term, not necessarily that it was a completely new term. Lost = Maine Boy is better, one way or the other. =20 I have had the pleasure of reading a rough draft of Across the = Seasons and it is very good, very readable...an imaginative blend of = history, mysticism and time travel. What else could you want? I am = proud of the homework (two years of research, including multiple trips = to Wyoming) that Laura has put into the book. The attention to detail = and the endless homework shows, even in the rough draft. I was pleased = to offer some small assistance in completing the project and look = forward to seeing the book in print. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff, sme ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Moore To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 5:09 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pancakes =20 =20 > Laura, > Why not leave the term in? Sounds like a good fur trade = expression that is just not in use today. Give a note on a explanation, = if you feel the least bit uncomfortable with it. But to me, colorful = words, expressions and even attitudes can make what ever you are writing = only better. We have lost alot of the "old" ways of talking and writing. = (And maybe some of it is for the better.) If you worried that your > readers may misinterpret it, find a way to solve the dilemma. = But use it if you can. >=20 > Laura Glise wrote: >=20 > > 12:30 p.m. PST > > > > I'm glad we got on this discussion regarding food. It = raises a question concerning a term I lifted from the drudy list of = definitions. That word is "feastcakes" for pancakes. > > > > I use this term in my novel. Russell refers to pancakes as = "feastcakes." (I'm not saying that he made pancakes and turned them = with his hatchet mind you.) I know that terms in the dictionary can be = misleading. I had Russell refer to himself as a "bossloper," and Lanney = pointed out to me bossloper was a modern-day term referring to the fur = trade period. And suggested I refer to Osborne as a "lost Maine boy." > > > > See what I mean? Honest mistake on my part but a mistake = nonetheless. > > > > So, gentlemen, before Across the Seasons goes to print . . . = should feastcakes stay or go? Hey, I'm not going to have ya'll making = wisecracks behind my back for a term I could have corrected before it's = typeset. > > > > What would I do without all of you? > > > > Laura Glise > > Rochester, Washington > > > > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- > > Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. > > Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! > > http://webmail.bellsouth.net > > = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF09D7.C39F9F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OOPS ! ! !   This post = wasn't meant=20 for the list either.  Seems to be a epidemic of this = lately.
Pendleton
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 larry pendleton <yrrw@airmail.net>
To: = hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Monday, September 27, 1999 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:=20 Pancakes

I have a e-mail in to Gordon, to = see if he=20 is coming to our doins.  I doubt it but I thought I would = ask.  [=20 invite him again ]  I haven't heard back from him = yet.
Pendleton
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
To: = hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Monday, September 27, 1999 7:04 PM
Subject: Re:=20 MtMan-List: Pancakes


I hope what I said = was that=20 bossloper was probably a variation of an old term, not = necessarily that=20 it was a completely new term.  Lost Maine Boy is better, = one way or=20 the other. 
I have had the pleasure of reading a rough = draft of=20 Across the Seasons and it is very good, very readable...an = imaginative=20 blend of history, mysticism and time travel.  What else = could you=20 want?  I am proud of the homework (two years of research, = including=20 multiple trips to Wyoming) that Laura has put into the = book.  The=20 attention to detail and the endless homework shows, even in the = rough=20 draft.  I was pleased to offer some small assistance in = completing=20 the project and look forward to seeing the book in=20 print.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff, sme
----- Original Message = - -----=20
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
To= :=20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Monday, September 27, 1999 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:=20 Pancakes


> Laura,
>     = Why not=20 leave the term in? Sounds like a good fur trade expression that = is just=20 not in use today. Give a note on a explanation, if you feel the = least=20 bit uncomfortable with it. But to me, colorful words, = expressions and=20 even attitudes can make what ever you are writing only better. = We have=20 lost alot of the "old" ways of talking and writing. = (And maybe=20 some of it is for the better.) If you worried that your
> = readers=20 may misinterpret it, find a way to solve the dilemma. But use it = if you=20 can.
>
> Laura Glise wrote:
>
> > = 12:30=20 p.m. PST
> >
> > I'm glad we got on this = discussion=20 regarding food.  It raises a question concerning a term I = lifted=20 from the drudy list of definitions.  That word is=20 "feastcakes" for pancakes.
> >
> > I = use=20 this term in my novel. Russell refers to pancakes as=20 "feastcakes."  (I'm not saying that he made = pancakes and=20 turned them with his hatchet mind you.)  I know that terms = in the=20 dictionary can be misleading.  I had Russell refer to = himself as a=20 "bossloper," and Lanney pointed out to me bossloper = was a=20 modern-day term referring to the fur trade period.  And = suggested I=20 refer to Osborne as a "lost Maine boy."
> = >
>=20 > See what I mean?  Honest mistake on my part but a = mistake=20 nonetheless.
> >
> > So, gentlemen, before = Across the=20 Seasons goes to print . . . should feastcakes stay or go?  = Hey, I'm=20 not going to have ya'll making wisecracks behind my back for a = term I=20 could have corrected before it's typeset.
> >
> = > What=20 would I do without all of you?
> >
> > Laura=20 Glise
> > Rochester, Washington
> >
> = >=20 = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---
>=20 > Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time.
> > Get = your=20 FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today!
> > http://webmail.bellsouth.net>=20 >=20 = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---
>=20
>
>
> =


- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF09D7.C39F9F60-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:38:15 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wrought Iron Pat, Nope. I'm saying that bridges were built of wrought iron up until 1964. = The reason is better resistance to corrosion than steel. I've heard rumors t= hat some small quantities are still being made -- expensive. I don't know ab= out skyscrapers. Early on wagon tires were most certainly iron, I don't know about later. Can anyone say for sure why 1964 was such a benchmark year? The last sil= ver money, the last good Winchesters, and the last of the best of a whole lot more. John... At 12:05 PM 9/28/99 -0700, you wrote: >Dear John >Are you really saying that before 1946 (vs 1846) bridges used only wroug= ht >iron? Would this also apply to the structural steel used in skyscrapers?= Did >bridges continue using the real thing for corrosion protection or some o= ther >reason? Or did you mean pre-1846 which would be quite believable for man= y >reasons. Also, I heard old wagon tires were a good source of wrought iro= n. I >assisted Gary Sweany at the forge a few times, which is where I learned = what >little I know. >YMOS >Pat Quilter > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Kramer [mailto:kramer@kramerize.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:15 PM >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: New Guy > > >Todd, > >I'm not much of a smith myself.=A0 I have known some of the best there e= ver >was.=20 >The folks who have extensive experience in smithing the old way -- witho= ut >compromise -- have impressed a couple of things on me over the years. > >1.=A0 Real charcoal is superior to coal.=A0 Gas is convenient. >2.=A0 Real wrought iron is superior to, and very different to work, than= mild >steel. > >Real charcoal can be acquired from restaurant supply companies that serv= ice >open grill steakhouses.=A0 You can make your own. > >Real wrought iron can be acquired with a cutting torch from any pre-1964 >iron >bridge.=A0 Just whack off what you need.=A0 Things can get spicy if the = bridge >is >still in service. > >This with small additions of carbon steel, only where it was needed, was >what >was primarily used in the early nineteenth century.=A0=20 > >To know how things were they must be done as they were.=A0 Then you'll r= eally >know if newer is bigger, better and improved.=A0 Results are oft surpris= ing. > >John... > > >At 07:39 PM 9/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I'm also a relative newcomer, only I'm located north of Kansas City.=A0= =A0 I >>also just got all my parts together to set up my forge and start smithi= ng >>again.=A0=A0 Been several years, and I mostly just shaped some trap sta= kes, >>figured I might want to try it with coal, just fer grins.=A0=A0 It'll b= e nice >to >>talk to someone about smithing. >> >>Todd >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>> >[<mailto:owner-hist_text= @l ists.xmission.com%5DOn>mailto:owner-hist_tex= t@l ist >s.xmission.com]On Behalf Of >>> Cherokeoil@aol.com >>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:04 AM >>> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy >>> >>> >>> Where abouts are you located? I`m just south of Kansas City. I`m >>> a new comer >>> to. >>> >>=20 >Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. >John Kramer=A0 >=20 John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Frank V. Rago" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Survey aye captain you caught me, I failed the pay attention class. I did send it via email but I double clicked oooooops. Frank V. Rago At 02:23 PM 9/28/99 +0000, you wrote: >Frank V. Rago wrote: > >Mark wrote: > >> >Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then >> >they won't inundate the discussion board. >> > >> >Here we go!! >> >> Here we go >> >> >EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate >> >answer) >> > HIGH SCHOOL >> > TRADE OR VO-TECH >> > COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY - X > >Frank, > >Glad to know you so well now. Looks like that college/university time >was a waste though. Thought we were supposed to answer this off list!? > I remain.... > >Susceptible to error myself, >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:46:38 -0000 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Survey Dave, Your point as to the survey is, of course, correct. However, until you, with such gentle modesty, pointed out the fact, and gave us the unsolicited benefit of your insight(s), I had no idea that so many of the individuals on this list I have grown to respect either are, or may be, among the "many.....sorely lacking in .....reading and cognitive skills." Thank you for this contribution to the list. It is humbling to confront such blatant courtesy and obvious charm. Sincerely, Paul W. Jones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:44:56 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Survey WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): not yet! But I became involved in living history in 1993. WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING? HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER: Visiting living history sites (Batoche, Victoria Settlement, Fort Edmonton Park) while on vacation. HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer) LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH x ONCE A MONTH 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): n/a WHAT DO YOU HUNT? n/a ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): n/a WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): Eventually I plan to buy & shoot a flintlock smoothbore trade gun. WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer): HAWKEN/PLAINS LONGRIFLE TRADE GUN INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask) DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) y TYPE: LOCAL STATE y (Provincial) NATIONAL WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? LIVING HISTORY x PRIMITIVE CAMPING SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING STRICTLY HUNTING RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): y HOW MANY PER YEAR? 2 (not too many are held in my neck of the woods) DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): y FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer): HIGH ROCKIES S.W./TAOS PLAINS/FRONTIER FRENCH COLONIAL OTHER (explain) Canadian fur trader's mixed-blood 'country wife', c. 1799-1805 DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT? (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): y MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD? (Y/N): My husband shaved his beard off last summer (after almost 20 years with a beard) to be more historically correct. DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): n DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): n IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING, ETC.,)? (Y/N): n (unless cooking counts!) DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR IMAGE. (Y/N): no, but it wouldn't hurt! ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): yes, rarely IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOBBY? (F/I): f DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): n HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): No! In fact, I always thought Canadian history was boring--until I started to learn about it! DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): n My main interest is public education. Our group has educational encampments at provincial historic sites, where we interpret the history & demonstrate historic skills to visitors. The main skill that I've learned (so far) is historic research. (I'm afraid I've never been very crafty...) As for muzzleloading, I know it's a blast, and I'll get around to it eventually, but for now I'm happily spending my spare money on books and index cards. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #380 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.