From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #389 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, October 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 389 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Re: On Copper Trade Pots -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: gun finishes -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Survey -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Horse stuff -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Wooden bowls -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Survey -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] Health ISSUES W/Metals. -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List:[OFF TOPIC] Possible Health Problems w/Metals In Our Systems. -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] Health ISSUES W/Metals. -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] Health ISSUES W/Metals. -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Health ISSUES W/Metals. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:50:26 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: On Copper Trade Pots That's because of the fluoride they've added. Not the package. John... At 08:56 PM 10/3/99 -0600, Mike wrote: >funny thing about that is if you look today at the fine print on the tooth paste >tube you will see: " warning- if more than usual paste is swallowed, call poison >control immediately." > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:39:13 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: gun finishes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF0E3B.8E033F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not know what the early trade muskets were finished with. But I = do believe that what we use today represent a sizable investment that we = want to protect. At the same time we want our guns to represent as = nearly possible what we believed were used 'back then'. I have a Brown Bess that I built about 25 years ago. The one finish = I put on it was pure Tung oil. This went on and in the gun, all = surfaces. Tung oil is water resistant. It produced a satisfying [to me] = old look with none of that slick or perfect appearance of many we see = today. It has held up well. If needed more Tung oil can be applied = anytime I want. Another advantage is that the walnut used was pleasingly darkened = and enhanced. I am not preaching that this is the only way or the 'authentic' way. = It looks 'authentic' and works for me. Use only high quality Tung oil, pure if available, avoid mixtures = with other finishes. Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF0E3B.8E033F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do not know what the early = trade muskets=20 were finished with. But I do believe that what we use today represent a = sizable=20 investment that we want to protect. At the same time we want our guns to = represent as nearly possible what we believed were used 'back=20 then'.

I have a Brown Bess that I built = about 25=20 years ago. The one finish I put on it was pure Tung oil. This went on = and in the=20 gun, all surfaces. Tung oil is water resistant. It produced a satisfying = [to me]=20 old look with none of that slick or perfect appearance of many we see = today. It=20 has held up well. If needed more Tung oil can be applied anytime I=20 want.

Another advantage is that the = walnut used=20 was pleasingly darkened and enhanced.

I am not preaching that this is the only way or = the=20 'authentic' way. It looks 'authentic' and works for me.

Use only high quality Tung oil, pure if = available, avoid=20 mixtures with other finishes.

Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home,=20 Arkansas

- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF0E3B.8E033F20-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:08:25 -0500 From: Matt Despain Subject: MtMan-List: Survey - --------------26704DD3C928383BCCABB2FE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To everyone who has participated in the survey, thank you, and you can ignore this message. I am posting this message again for those who may not have seen it. Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image of the mountain man in American history and culture. One aspect I look at is the buckskinning/living history movement. To help my assessments of the movement and to see if there have been any changes in demographics, interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have talked with Dean Rudy and he gave me the green light to put it here. I would like as many who would be willing to respond to the survey. I will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people the chance to pitch in. Sorry for its length. The best way I could do this was to send the survey in the body of the text and not as an attachment (attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks ahead of time to everyone that participates. Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then they won't inundate the discussion board. Here we go!! SEX(M/F): AGE: SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m): MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N): ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer): WHITE BLACK HISPANIC ASIAN NATIVE AM. (also list tribe) EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate answer) HIGH SCHOOL TRADE OR VO-TECH COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY OTHER OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer) UNDER $20,000 20,000-35,000 50,000-100,000 ABOVE 100,000 POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING? HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER: HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer) LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH ONCE A MONTH 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): WHAT DO YOU HUNT? ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer): HAWKEN/PLAINS LONGRIFLE TRADE GUN INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask) DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) TYPE: LOCAL STATE NATIONAL WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? LIVING HISTORY PRIMITIVE CAMPING SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING STRICTLY HUNTING RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): HOW MANY PER YEAR? DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer): HIGH ROCKIES S.W./TAOS PLAINS/FRONTIER FRENCH COLONIAL OTHER (explain) DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT? (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD? (Y/N): DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING, ETC.,)? (Y/N): SPECIFY: DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR IMAGE. (Y/N): ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOBBY? (F/I): DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all. Thanks, Matt DeSpain - --------------26704DD3C928383BCCABB2FE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To everyone who has participated in the survey, thank you, and you can ignore this message. I am posting this message again for those who may not have seen it.

Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image of the mountain man in
American history and culture. One aspect I look at is the buckskinning/living history movement. To
help my assessments of the movement and to see if there have been any changes in demographics,
interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have talked with Dean Rudy and he
gave me the green light to put it here. I would like as many who would be willing to respond to the
survey. I will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people the chance to pitch in. Sorry for
its length. The best way I could do this was to send the survey in the body of the text and not as an
attachment (attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks ahead of time to everyone
that participates.

Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then they won't inundate the
discussion board.

Here we go!!

SEX(M/F):
AGE:
SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m):
MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N):
ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer):
    WHITE
    BLACK
    HISPANIC
    ASIAN
    NATIVE AM. (also list tribe)
EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate answer)
    HIGH SCHOOL
    TRADE OR VO-TECH
    COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY
    OTHER
OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE):
INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer)
    UNDER $20,000
    20,000-35,000
    50,000-100,000
    ABOVE 100,000
POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I):
ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N):
WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR):
WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING?
    HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER:
HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer)
    LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH
    ONCE A MONTH
    2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY
DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N):
    WHAT DO YOU HUNT?
ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N):
WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P):
WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer):
    HAWKEN/PLAINS
    LONGRIFLE
    TRADE GUN
    INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask)

DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N)
    TYPE: LOCAL
               STATE
               NATIONAL
WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING?
    LIVING HISTORY
    PRIMITIVE CAMPING
    SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING
    STRICTLY HUNTING
    RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress)
DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N):
    HOW MANY PER YEAR?
DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N):
FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer):
    HIGH ROCKIES
    S.W./TAOS
    PLAINS/FRONTIER
    FRENCH
    COLONIAL
    OTHER (explain)
DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT?
    (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT):
MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD?
    (Y/N):
DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO
     YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N):
DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N):
    IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?:
DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING,
    ETC.,)? (Y/N):
    SPECIFY:
DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR
    IMAGE. (Y/N):
ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N):
IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL

HOBBY? (F/I):
DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N):
HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N):
DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING
MODERN WORLD? (Y/N):

Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all.

Thanks,

Matt DeSpain - --------------26704DD3C928383BCCABB2FE-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:52:08 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Horse stuff I spoke to one of my Cav. reenactor friends who does 20th c. Judging from the photo posted your spurs bear a resemblance to the 1912 Cav. spurs in use thru the 20s. The chains were common for officers, while leather bottom straps were for inlisteds. He said, however, that sometimes inlisteds were seen wearing the chains. 20th c. Cav spurs were based on dressage spurs of the time. He did not see the photo of yours. I tried to describe them to him from memory. The 1912 Cav spur is described in Steffen's _Horse Soldier_, vol. 3. Cheers, HBC **************************************** Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because It's There ****** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:53:49 -0500 From: James A Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: Wooden bowls Time to think of winter projects, I was thinking of sanding down some wooden bowls used for eating and was wondering about what to use on them afterwards to be period correct and still be able to eat out of them. I do voyageur re-inacting, so I would be looking at 1790-1820 time frame if I'm to be really exact. Thanks, Jim Lindberg jal@sgi.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:06:07 -0600 From: Bill Klesinger Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Survey - --------------89AC666D69C9796713D0F352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Despain wrote: > To everyone who has participated in the survey, thank you, and you can > ignore this message. I am posting this message again for those who > may not have seen it. > > Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image of > the mountain man in > American history and culture. One aspect I look at is the > buckskinning/living history movement. To > help my assessments of the movement and to see if there have been any > changes in demographics, > interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have > talked with Dean Rudy and he > gave me the green light to put it here. I would like as many who > would be willing to respond to the > survey. I will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people > the chance to pitch in. Sorry for > its length. The best way I could do this was to send the survey in > the body of the text and not as an > attachment (attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks > ahead of time to everyone > that participates. > > Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then > they won't inundate the > discussion board. > > Here we go!! > > SEX(M/F):M > AGE:52 > SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m):M > MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N):Y > ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer): > WHITE X > BLACK > HISPANIC > ASIAN > NATIVE AM. (also list tribe) > EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate > answer) > HIGH SCHOOL > TRADE OR VO-TECH > COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY X > OTHER > OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR > INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer) > UNDER $20,000 > 20,000-35,000 > 50,000-100,000 X > ABOVE 100,000 > POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): R > ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): Y > WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): 1960 > WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING? > HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER: THE EXPERIENCE > HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer) > LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH x > ONCE A MONTH > 2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY > DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): y > WHAT DO YOU HUNT? any game > ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): n > WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): f > WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer): > HAWKEN/PLAINS > LONGRIFLE x > TRADE GUN x > INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask) > > DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) y > TYPE: LOCAL x > STATE x > NATIONAL x > WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING? > LIVING HISTORY x > PRIMITIVE CAMPING > SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING > STRICTLY HUNTING > RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress) > DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): y > HOW MANY PER YEAR? 4 > DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): y > FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer): > HIGH ROCKIES > S.W./TAOS > PLAINS/FRONTIER > FRENCH > COLONIAL > OTHER (explain) free trapper , with the indians, > DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT? > (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): y > MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD? > (Y/N): n > DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO > YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): y > DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N): > IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: powder to burn > DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING, > ETC.,)? (Y/N): n > SPECIFY: > DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR > IMAGE. (Y/N): n > ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): n > IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL > > HOBBY? (F/I): I > DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): y > HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): y > DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING > MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): y > > Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all. > > > Thanks, > > Matt DeSpain - --------------89AC666D69C9796713D0F352 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Matt Despain wrote:

To everyone who has participated in the survey, thank you, and you can ignore this message. I am posting this message again for those who may not have seen it.
Dear discussion group. I am working on a dissertation on the image of the mountain man in
American history and culture. One aspect I look at is the buckskinning/living history movement. To
help my assessments of the movement and to see if there have been any changes in demographics,
interests, etc. in the movement I am putting out this survey. I have talked with Dean Rudy and he
gave me the green light to put it here. I would like as many who would be willing to respond to the
survey. I will be posting it for a few weeks to give as many people the chance to pitch in. Sorry for
its length. The best way I could do this was to send the survey in the body of the text and not as an
attachment (attachments always bring problems don't you know). Thanks ahead of time to everyone
that participates.
Also, if everyone could send these to my e-mail sdespain@ou.edu then they won't inundate the
discussion board.
Here we go!!
SEX(M/F):M
AGE:52
SINGLE (s) or MARRIED (m):M
MILITARY SERVICE (Y/N):Y
ETHNIC ORIGIN (put and X by appropriate answer):
    WHITE X
    BLACK
    HISPANIC
    ASIAN
    NATIVE AM. (also list tribe)
EDUCATION (HIGHEST DEGREE ACHIEVED): (put an X by the appropriate answer)
    HIGH SCHOOL
    TRADE OR VO-TECH
    COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY X
    OTHER
OCCUPATION (LIST JOB TITLE): NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR
INCOME LEVEL: (put an X by appropriate answer)
    UNDER $20,000
    20,000-35,000
    50,000-100,000 X
    ABOVE 100,000
POLITICAL AFFILIATION: DEM. (D), REP (R), IND (I): R
ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER INVOLVED IN SCOUTING?(Y/N): Y
WHEN DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN MUZZLE LOADING? (YEAR): 1960
WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO MUZZLE LOADING AND/OR BUCKSKINNING?
    HUNTING, FRIEND, MEDIA (FILM, TV, ETC.), OTHER:   THE EXPERIENCE
HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOOT? (Put an X after best answer)
    LESS THAN ONCE A MONTH x
    ONCE A MONTH
    2 OR MORE TIMES MONTHLY
DO YOU HUNT WITH YOUR MUZZLE LOADER? (Y/ N): y
    WHAT DO YOU HUNT? any game
ARE MUZZLE LOADERS THE ONLY GUNS YOU OWN?( Y/ N): n
WHAT TYPE OF RIFLE DO YOU SHOOT? FLINT (F) PERCUSSION (P): f
WHAT STYLE OF RIFLE?(put an X by appropriate answer):
    HAWKEN/PLAINS
    LONGRIFLE x
    TRADE GUN x
    INLINE (I know their detestable, but I had to ask)
DO YOU BELONG TO A MUZZLE LOADING ORGANIZATION? (Y/N) y
    TYPE: LOCAL x
               STATE x
               NATIONAL x
WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR INTEREST IN MUZZLE LOADING/BUCKSKINNING?
    LIVING HISTORY x
    PRIMITIVE CAMPING
    SERIOUS COMPETITION SHOOTING
    STRICTLY HUNTING
    RECREATIONAL SHOOTING (no primitive dress)
DO YOU ATTEND RENDEZVOUS? (Y/N): y
    HOW MANY PER YEAR? 4
DO YOU DRESS THE PART AT RENDEZVOUS (Y/N): y
FOR WHAT STYLE DO YOU DRESS? (Put an X for appropriate answer):
    HIGH ROCKIES
    S.W./TAOS
    PLAINS/FRONTIER
    FRENCH
    COLONIAL
    OTHER (explain) free trapper , with the indians,
DO YOU FEEL AUTHENTICITY IN DRESS AND ARMS IS IMPORTANT?
    (Y/ N/SOMEWHAT): y
MEN, AS A PART OF YOUR APPEARANCE, DO YOU MAINTAIN A BEARD?
    (Y/N): n
DO YOU INFUSE NATIVE AMERICAN IDEALS OR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES INTO
     YOUR ACTIVITIES (Y/N): y
DO YOU USE A CAMP NAME WHEN ATTENDING GATHERINGS? (Y/N):
    IF SO, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED?: powder to burn
DO YOU PORTRAY ANY TYPE OF ARTISAN CRAFT (TANNING, BLACKSMITHING,
    ETC.,)? (Y/N): n
    SPECIFY:
DO YOU FEEL THAT KNOWING CRAFTS IS ESSENTIAL TO PORTRAYING YOUR
    IMAGE. (Y/N): n
ARE YOU A TRADER? (Y/N): n
IS THIS A FAMILY AFFAIR FOR YOU OR DO YOU GO ABOUT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL
    HOBBY? (F/I): I
DO YOU EVER GO OUT ALONE TO CAMP PRIMITIVE STYLE? (Y/N): y
HAVE YOU ALWAYS HELD A FASCINATION FOR THE FRONTIER? (Y/N): y
DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR ACTIVITY AS A RETREAT FROM THE PRESSING
    MODERN WORLD? (Y/N): y
Write anything else on your mind, I'll look at it all.

Thanks,
Matt DeSpain

- --------------89AC666D69C9796713D0F352-- ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 1999 07:54:36 -0700 From: Buck Subject: MtMan-List: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] Health ISSUES W/Metals. Subject: Health ISSUES W/Metals. ISSUE #0 Folks, As mentioned before please make a file as Victoria has suggested, I call mine "Health Issues", that's up to you. If this information is filed as suggested there's less chance of "deleting" by mistake. Who knows, as time passes we may all want a refresher course and being filed - you will have the information. __________________________________________________ I will ask her to put in the [Subject: area] : example: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] .. and so on, changing the issue number with each new e-mail. In doing this we can, when talking to her refer to the ISSUE # that we are concerned with, and in turn she can refer to that one or another one when talking about this subject with you. This may make e-mails, phone calls, etc. flow a little easier in both directions. File this e-mail in your new folder as [ISSUE #0]. Thanks for your time. Later, Buck Conner AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado Aux Ailments de Pays! _____________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:22:06 -0500 From: "Texan" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:[OFF TOPIC] Possible Health Problems w/Metals In Our Systems. Hi Buck, I've been paying more attention to John Kramer's posts. I can see what you mean about him. I think he would be a wonderful support person to the research team on the lead project. Let me know when you have introduced the idea to him and forwarded to him my post to Mike. I've been continuing to work out the details for the testing. I'm getting a little excited about it all. What I want to do is to start doing the testing, and then work on setting Buck's Apothecary up to stock specific nutrients that will support the guys as they expose themsleves to all manner of toxins!!!! Then I can just be in the background to be called on as needed. What I thought I could do is put out bulletins on health issues related to the toxic exposures. There would be several of them. Then the guys will learn why they need to get the supplements that you and I will work on for the apothecary. You could put the bulletins in your catalogue as references for the supplements. How does that sound? I want to set things up so that it can run on its own. . The guys will probably have health questions that I haven't thought of and if they apply to everyone, I will make the answers availble to all. If you have some other ideas on how to do this, let me know. I'm grateful that Jesus has given me the opportunity to help you guys. Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:33:40 -0500 From: "Texan" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] Health ISSUES W/Metals. Hi Buck, We are on the same page. I'm glad you sent this out as I was just fixing to put out the first data sheet. I had it titled "Lead Data Sheet #1". How does this look? [OT Health Issue#1-Lead Data Sheet#1] The next one will be [OT Health Issue#2-Hair Analysis] or something like that and so on. Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:49:23 -0500 From: "Texan" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] Health ISSUES W/Metals. Sorry guys, I'll eventually not mess up and send off list post over the lists!! Victoria ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 1999 10:14:35 -0700 From: Buck Subject: MtMan-List: Health ISSUES W/Metals. Hist_list members and AMM brothers, Some of you are not on Dean's Hist_List, there is an important issue being discuss about "lead poisioning" along with tin, copper, brass, etc. that we all have contact with. This person that uses the handle "texan" (Victoria) has come forth with an offer for testing "metals" in our systems. Enclosed below are a series of e-mails with her comments and what she can do to help as far as testing and what information she has, she has dropped her normal $75 up front fee for talking with us. If you decide to consider being tested your cost would be whatever the lab cost is, if interested read on. The reason I'm interested is I use to offer "period correct" lead bars for sale, with handling them, casting them (200-300 pounds) within the last year, plus the normal handling of lead when shooting and other metals in our sport, this got my attention. Some of the things she has mentioned in other e-mails rang a bell, weight gain, hair loss, etc. If not on the hist_list you may want to get on just to follow her ISSUE updates. Buck Conner AMM Baker Party / Colorado * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * #1 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "UPDATE" metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC] I not only wanted to know how to become skilled at shooting, but all the aspects of how guns are made, bullet making etc. Looks like I'll get my wish from offers from several of you kind folks. Can't get involved with making recommendations without knowing my subject thoroughly. My personal experience with mercury and lead poisoning came from growing up in Houston on the south side where we got toxic air whichever the way the wind was blowing. My body preferentially stored these metals along with the petrochemicals. I had an account at a major international hospital lab until the last year and a half. I had been cutting down on taking new clients because I started writing and became too small of an account for the lab. I've started the ball rolling again to open up an account at a lab since there are going to be some of you that will need to go further with this. I would like to call you and talk over some things that I have thought I could do to be more of service to the group. I would like to throw some things out to you to see what you think. I talk much more easily than I write. Victoria * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * #2 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "UPDATE" metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC] Members of this list and members of several other lists that have been in contact on this topic. ___________________________ Victoria has been kind enought to drop her up front charge of $75 and has made the offer to provide us with information and instructions in this manner, off_list. I will repeat OFF_LIST. ___________________________ Several things I have asked for, from her is: Her cost for mailing these packets. Any additional costs she may occure. Make a simple question and answer form (we would fill out about our health, etc.). When the results come back from the lab, a scheduled time period or appointment time frame for her to talk to each interested party. (she doesn't want to get to bogged down, so lets not tie her up 10 hours a day or all of her free time when not working at her job). * Remember it's your nickel, you call her at your appointment time and any additional costs mentioned above are yours too. ___________________________ These few simple basic steps will save her time and no money out of her pocket, we should cover any costs and please don't be pushy, she has other things going on in her life just like you. ___________________________ As far as the response OFF_LIST, that seemed to offend one person, we have had (31) wanting the test and ( 0 ) remarks or comments on the NO side of the coin as of last night. At this point Victoria's service is a go and she will give us a simple Q&A form on this list to start the ball rolling (probably the first of the week). Her mother and father are visiting this weekend and she told me she would contact me late Sunday evening. After you have gotten your paperwork from her and have done the needed lab things and sent the required material to them with your payment for their service, you'll have to wait for the results. Then you will be able to reply with your answers, comments, etc. to her at her e-mail as she has requested, once your lab tests have been returned to you. It will all be between you and her from this point on, depending on what is required and the findings from the report. I hope that will answer most questions, this is all I know, anything else will have to be answered by Victoria, along with her e-mail address again for those that have deleted it by mistake. Later, Buck Conner * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * #3 Subject: Re: MtMan-List:[OFF TOPIC] Possible Health Problems w/Metals Members of the Hist_list and several other lists, I have tallied the responses and it is (62) for continue, and (1) I'm not sure ??? Just talked to Victoria on the phone about this topic, and she will follow this e-mail with her message. If you have a problem or complaint contact me and I'll pass the word on to her, she is very busy and would prefer I would be the sounding board !! Will repeat one more time: NEGATIVE PROBLEMS AND COMPLAINTS - CONTACT: buck.conner@uswestmail.net LET'S KEEP POSITIVE, SHE WILLING TO HELP US AND WILL NEED OUR HELP ALSO. SHE WILL GET INTO WHAT SHE NEEDS FROM US AND A FEW OF HER IDEAS FOR FUTURE MUZZLELOADERS. Victoria I have opened the door as requested, it's show time to folks that want to know what they have possibly done to themselves, and what they can do to help themselves in the future. Thanks everyone. Later, Buck Conner * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * #4 Subject: Health ISSUES W/Metals. Hi Everybody, Thanks Buck for making this official announcement and setting the ground rules. When I made the offer to do toxic metal screening, it came straight from my heart. It was after that, that I began to realize what a project I had started! So bear with me as I put a plan together. The reason that this issue is so important to me is that I almost died of heavy metal poisoning-the slow insidious kind with no APPARENT exposure in the past. I'm still recovering 15 years after the diagnosis. The next post from me will be an introductory data sheet on lead toxicity in our environment. My main objective as a health consultant is to teach people how to take personal responsibility for their health. That necessitates disseminating information. It would be a good idea to keep my posts in a special file to be referred to again and again. You never know when I will give a pop quiz!! I'm working on a health history questionaire. Give me a few days. Victoria * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * #5 Subject: Health ISSUES W/Metals. ISSUE #0 Folks, As mentioned before please make a file as Victoria has suggested, I call mine "Health Issues", that's up to you. If this information is filed as suggested there's less chance of "deleting" by mistake. Who knows, as time passes we may all want a refresher course and being filed - you will have the information. __________________________________________________ I will ask her to put in the [Subject: area] : example: [OFF TOPIC - ISSUE #0] .. and so on, changing the issue number with each new e-mail. In doing this we can, when talking to her refer to the ISSUE # that we are concerned with, and in turn she can refer to that one or another one when talking about this subject with you. This may make e-mails, phone calls, etc. flow a little easier in both directions. File this e-mail in your new folder as [ISSUE #0]. Thanks for your time. Later, Buck Conner * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * #6 Hi Buck, I've been paying more attention to John Kramer's posts. I can see what you mean about him. I think he would be a wonderful support person to the research team on the lead project. Let me know when you have introduced the idea to him and forwarded to him my post to Mike. I've been continuing to work out the details for the testing. I'm getting a little excited about it all. What I want to do is to start doing the testing, and then work on setting Buck's Apothecary up to stock specific nutrients that will support the guys as they expose themsleves to all manner of toxins!!!! Then I can just be in the background to be called on as needed. What I thought I could do is put out bulletins on health issues related to the toxic exposures. There would be several of them. Then the guys will learn why they need to get the supplements that you and I will work on for the apothecary. You could put the bulletins in your catalogue as references for the supplements. How does that sound? I want to set things up so that it can run on its own. . The guys will probably have health questions that I haven't thought of and if they apply to everyone, I will make the answers availble to all. If you have some other ideas on how to do this, let me know. I'm grateful that Jesus has given me the opportunity guys. Victoria * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * #7 Subject: Health ISSUES W/Metals.ISSUE #0 Hi Buck, We are on the same page. I'm glad you sent this out as I was just fixing to put out the first data sheet. I had it titled "Lead Data Sheet #1". How does this look? [OT Health Issue#1-Lead Data Sheet#1] The next one will be: [OT Health Issue#2-Hair Analysis] or something like that and so on. Victoria * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This was sent my mistake, instead of to me, no problem, I will answer her questions as I would yours. Those that have dealt with me will tell you I don't have a problem with telling it the way it is. ________________________ #6 Hi Buck, I've been paying more attention to John Kramer's posts. I can see what you mean about him. I think he would be a wonderful support person to the research team on the lead project. Let me know when you have introduced the idea to him and forwarded to him my post to Mike. _____________________________ * I talked to Victoria yestersday on the phone, she asked who would be good for back reference and any additional thoughts on this subject. I suggested John Kramer and Mike Rock - members of this list with lots of personal experience on the subject. I was to e-mail them and ask what they thought about this, but Victoria has let the cat out of the bag. So buys what do you think !! _____________________________ I've been continuing to work out the details for the testing. I'm getting a little excited about it all. What I want to do is to start doing the testing, and then work on setting Buck's Apothecary up to stock specific nutrients that will support the guys as they expose themsleves to all manner of toxins!!!! Then I can just be in the background to be called on as needed. _____________________________ * This is not a plot or any baloney like that to make a buck, if any of you are interested in stocking a few supplies, that's fine. She was thinking that with supplying edibles and camp items it would kind of fit right in with Clark & Sons Mercantile. With my regular job and C&SM, I am snowed. I don't think it would be real period from looking at it that way, maybe better for a shooting supplier like Log Cabin Shop, etc. to handle a few health aids, seeing how they are the ones that are causing the problem in a round about way, just a thought. What do you folks think, I would be interested in your opinions. _____________________________ What I thought I could do is put out bulletins on health issues related to the toxic exposures. There would be several of them. Then the guys will learn why they need to get the supplements that you and I will work on for the apothecary. You could put the bulletins in your catalogue as references for the supplements. How does that sound? _____________________________ * This would depend on who was handling the safety items, as to who would send out safety bulletins, I know we produce only one catalog issue per year and put out four price changes a year, that change with catalog purchases. This is the same method that most suppliers do in their catalog issues, with the cost of mailing single pieces and not being "bulk", most suppliers would frown on it. This type of business, cast out lay, etc. would take some serious thought to who ever took on this item. For those that have started a file "Health Issues", put this one in there as a [ISSUE 0], this gives you everything we have talked about to date. From now on we should be receiving updates in the form of : [OT Health Issue#1-Lead Data Sheet#1] [OT Health Issue#2-Hair Analysis] and so on, any questions about the above please feel free to e-mail me, hope this didn't get to long. All we need to do is hear from Victoria with her suggestions and update on ISSUE's, and what John K. and Mike R. think about helping, along with anyone that can furnish information to this subject. Thanks again. Later, Buck Conner AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado Aux Ailments de Pays! _____________________________ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #389 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.