From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #412 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 21 1999 Volume 01 : Number 412 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Social Studies Project for some nice kids. -       MtMan-List: The Alamo -       Re: MtMan-List: Instructional media -       Re: MtMan-List: Social Studies Project for some nice kids. -       MtMan-List: The Alamo -       Re: MtMan-List: Social Studies Project for some nice kids. -       Re: MtMan-List: canvas and tipi's -       Re: MtMan-List: canvas and tipi's -       MtMan-List: tipi poles -       MtMan-List: tipi poles -       Re: MtMan-List: tipi poles -       Re: MtMan-List: Instructional media -       Re: MtMan-List: Instructional media -       Re: MtMan-List: canvas and tipi's -       MtMan-List: trade pistol -       MtMan-List: Trappers -       MtMan-List: Wall Tents -       Re: MtMan-List: Wall Tents -       Re: MtMan-List: trade pistol -       Re: MtMan-List: Trappers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:01:25 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Social Studies Project for some nice kids. Yeah...Sumpin like that.. I put it back together and you probably will have a REAL one in a couple three weeks. D Buck wrote: > wasn't a buffalo bladder, filled with personal body gas !!! > > how's my folder doing ??? > --------------------- > > On Fri, 19 November 1999, Dennis Miles wrote: > > > > > We used to do this with a helium ballon and a piece of paper.... > > D > > > > > > Buck wrote: > > > > > Received this message, and as slow as it is on the list right now, I'm passing it on, answer and pass it on. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:39 AM > > > Subject: Fw: Social Studies Project > > > > > > We are third graders in Alpine, Texas USA. We live in the mountains of > > > West Texas in the Big Bend of the Rio Grande River that divides the > > > United States from Mexico. > > > > > > We are going to map the progress of this email message and see where it > > > travels between today, October 25 and November 22, 1999. Please help our > > > Social Studies project by doing two things: > > > 1) Email us and tell where you live. > > > 2) Forward our message to as many people as you can! Please use the > > > address below. > > > > > > Our email address is tchandler@alpine.esc18.net > > > > > > Your new friends, > > > Mrs. Chandler's Third Grade > > > Alpine Elementary School > > > Alpine, Texas USA > > Later, > Buck Conner > _________________________________ > Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html > Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ > AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html > _________________________________ > Aux Ailments de Pays! > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - -- "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: The Alamo Here is another good resource for Alamo info: Texian Iliad: A militaty History of the Texas Revolution. Written by Stephen L. Hardin, Univ.of Texas Press, Austin Tex. The bibliography itself is 20 pages long. Hardin is currently[according to the cover]teaching history at Victoria College, Victoria, Tex.And what the hell is a CIVIL war. Talk about your oxymorons! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:40:49 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Instructional media > Would they be worthwhile to transfer them to a video, if so have a friend > that maybe able to do this. Let me know. Buck, I had several requests for the tapes and gave them to the first one, Victoria Pate. I have never viewed them because I didn't have the machine so I don't know their content. She might want to cooperate in transferring them to video. There were enough requests from folks who want them. Dave - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:01:25 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Social Studies Project for some nice kids. Yeah...Sumpin like that.. I put it back together and you probably will have a REAL one in a couple three weeks. D Buck wrote: > wasn't a buffalo bladder, filled with personal body gas !!! > > how's my folder doing ??? > --------------------- > > On Fri, 19 November 1999, Dennis Miles wrote: > > > > > We used to do this with a helium ballon and a piece of paper.... > > D > > > > > > Buck wrote: > > > > > Received this message, and as slow as it is on the list right now, I'm passing it on, answer and pass it on. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:39 AM > > > Subject: Fw: Social Studies Project > > > > > > We are third graders in Alpine, Texas USA. We live in the mountains of > > > West Texas in the Big Bend of the Rio Grande River that divides the > > > United States from Mexico. > > > > > > We are going to map the progress of this email message and see where it > > > travels between today, October 25 and November 22, 1999. Please help our > > > Social Studies project by doing two things: > > > 1) Email us and tell where you live. > > > 2) Forward our message to as many people as you can! Please use the > > > address below. > > > > > > Our email address is tchandler@alpine.esc18.net > > > > > > Your new friends, > > > Mrs. Chandler's Third Grade > > > Alpine Elementary School > > > Alpine, Texas USA > > Later, > Buck Conner > _________________________________ > Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html > Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ > AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html > _________________________________ > Aux Ailments de Pays! > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - -- "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: The Alamo Here is another good resource for Alamo info: Texian Iliad: A militaty History of the Texas Revolution. Written by Stephen L. Hardin, Univ.of Texas Press, Austin Tex. The bibliography itself is 20 pages long. Hardin is currently[according to the cover]teaching history at Victoria College, Victoria, Tex.And what the hell is a CIVIL war. Talk about your oxymorons! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:13:28 EST From: BarneyPFife@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Social Studies Project for some nice kids. just to let the list know, these classroom tracking things are e-mail gatherers, commonly known as INTERNET HOAXES. check out this site so you'll be informed before you clog up bandwidth Current Internet Hoaxes, Urban Legends, and other digital lies - Urban Legends Barn - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:22:31 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: canvas and tipi's I have found exactly one documented case of a Canadian fur trader using a tipi in my 1774-1821 period (aside from many cases of traders living & travelling with Natives). In the 1790's, due to the war in Europe, there was a shortage of tent canvas. As a result, the HBC's William Tomison, operating at Edmonton House, had to buy a 'tent' from a Blackfoot trading at his fur post. Your obliged and obedient Servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:47:59 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: canvas and tipi's Seems that I recall that usually summer buffalo cow hides were used for tipis as they were lighter. I think it also said they were thinned as well. Obviously the weight wasn't too much for the poles as there was a whole lot of them in use for quite a while. Wes Housler is making buff hide tipis now. Bet he could give us an accurate idea of weight......... Allen Hall from Fort Hall country - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:23:02 EST From: MIA3WOLVES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: tipi poles Does anyone know what type of poles were uses. I know that with modern tipis pine is preferred due to the weight factor (light). However, I have heard others say that cedar poles were used. I find this hard to believe but that may be because of the type of cedar I am familliar with which seldom grow tall and if it does it is thick. Bet someone on this list has documentation for this question. Thanks. Red Hawk Red Hawk Quillwork - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: tipi poles I don't know about cedar poles, as all that grows around here are the thick bushy type that you apparently are familiar with, but I had always assumed that the lodgepole pine is called that is because of its use as lodge poles. They grow tall, straight, and have few branches to bother with. DOG,G.H.B. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:28:20 EST From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tipi poles Some of the old photos I have seen had every kind of pole you could think of. These pictures were taken after the freedom had been taken from them. From my understanding lodge pole pine poles were a huge trade item. TrapRJoe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:00:07 -0600 From: "Texan" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Instructional media Buck, Putting the filmstrip/audio on video is a great idea. If this filmstrip is 30 to 40 years old, it might have escaped the revisionist historians who weren't as vociferous back then as they are today. I'll work on tracking down the remaining parts if Part 1 is, like you said, worthwhile. I'll be in touch after I've seen the show. Victoria - -----Original Message----- From: ThisOldFox@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:42 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Instructional media >> Would they be worthwhile to transfer them to a video, if so have a friend >> that maybe able to do this. Let me know. > >Buck, >I had several requests for the tapes and gave them to the first one, Victoria >Pate. >I have never viewed them because I didn't have the machine so I don't know >their content. >She might want to cooperate in transferring them to video. There were enough >requests from folks who want them. > >Dave > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:26:05 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Instructional media > Putting the filmstrip/audio on video is a great idea. > If this filmstrip is 30 to 40 years old, Victoria, Your package is already on the way. I have no idea how old they are. They were donated to a local lending library in 1981 and they gave them to us. No one has the old filmstrip player to view them. I have never seen them myself, but would be interested in the video if that ever gets off the ground. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:52:06 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: canvas and tipi's In a message dated 11/19/99 7:42:04 AM Mountain Standard Time, jbrandl@wyoming.com writes: << The earliest known canvas tipi was at Ft Union in 1851. >> Thanks Joe...that was the date I was looking for and I do appreciate all the other input.... YMOS Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:59:42 EST From: Dejim55@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: trade pistol THINKING ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A PISTOL FROM NORTH STAR WEST WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THEM - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:14:11 -0500 From: "Laura Glise" Subject: MtMan-List: Trappers 6:00 p.m. PST I would like help from the list with my latest project. I am writing a non-fiction book for young adults (interest level grade 4 and up) on the American fur trade. As an educator I know first-hand that most history books for young adults skip from Lewis and Clark to the Oregon Trail. Textbooks skip this important time in our nation's history and, with the exception of Bridger and maybe Beckworth, there aren't biographies on the shelves. Part of the book will include biographies on 7-10 trappers. I am interested in list member's opinions on which mountaineers should be included. Please contact me off the list with your ideas Wind1838@aol.com Thank you. Laura Glise - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! http://webmail.bellsouth.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:39:29 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Wall Tents Hallo the camp. I'm tinkering with the idea of making my own wall tent. Any books out there that might help? Anybody tried this? Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders lnewbill@uidaho.edu : http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:10:48 -0800 From: Matt and Sarah Mitchell Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wall Tents At 06:39 PM 11/20/99 -0800, you wrote: >Hallo the camp. > >I'm tinkering with the idea of making my own wall tent. Any books out >there that might help? > > Lee, Talk to Bob Guenther. I think he stitched his own tent that he has his store in. "Pockets" A.K.A. Matt Mitchell Palouse Hills Muzzleloaders Moscow, Idaho msmitchell@turbonet.com "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:38:38 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trade pistol the north star trade pistol was in muzzleloader a few year back all good things to say about italso a friend has one and its a fine shooter. would buy one if i had extra money laying around but my four kids eat most of that up. traphand - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:51:22 -0800 From: randybublitz@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trappers Hi Laura, My vote goes for Joseph Walker. He was an explorer extrordinaire, a leader of men, and active in the West for a long time. I'm impressed with his long career on the frontier and his ability to succeed in nearly endeavor he undertook. You should check me on this, but I believe I read somewhere that no man was ever killed while under the leadership of Joseph Walker. Hardtack Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give up your Rights - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #412 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.