From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #414 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, November 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number 414 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Happy Thanksgiving -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Thanksgiving with Lewis & Clark -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Re: [TheForge] heard of this one? -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: AMM AUCTION -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Re: [TheForge] heard of this one? Billmettal Skillet -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Re: [TheForge] heard of this one? -牋牋牋 Re: [MtMan-List: Thanksgiving with Lewis & Clark] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 HawkenHunter@aol.com wrote: > those articles are right when they talk about tempering that file shattered > had a shop full of smoke from the burning plastic and a floor covered in oil. Hawk.... you must of watched me work in my shop to refine your techniques so well I don't worry so much about learning from my mistakes as living through them! Thanks for sharing! Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders lnewbill@uidaho.edu : http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 HawkenHunter@aol.com wrote: > those articles are right when they talk about tempering that file shattered > had a shop full of smoke from the burning plastic and a floor covered in oil. Hawk.... you must of watched me work in my shop to refine your techniques so well I don't worry so much about learning from my mistakes as living through them! Thanks for sharing! Regards Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders lnewbill@uidaho.edu : http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:08:45 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story Goes to show you that smithing is a black art, practiced by those who = have gone over to the Dark Side. All others should stay away, lest you = endanger your immortal soul.... and your sanity. Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 3:05 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Humurous story > Hi all I just did this and figured that I would share it with you so = you old=20 > timers can have a good laugh and all the newbies wont make the same = mistake. =20 > Today I went and decided that I would try to make a flint and steel = fire=20 > starting kit. I went and got me a old file and started heating it = with a=20 > torch so that I could bend it into shape. Well, my first mistake was = that I=20 > got it to were I wanted it and cooled it in some water. I was then = going to=20 > give it a good oil bath to temper it when I dropped it on the floor. = All=20 > those articles are right when they talk about tempering that file = shattered=20 > just like glass. So I got another piece of steel and got it shaped = like I=20 > wanted it and heated it up and then put it in the water. This time I = made=20 > sure to keep a really good hold on it. Well, I went to set up my oil = bath=20 > and had a quart of oil that was half full so I just cut the top off of = it and=20 > proceeded to heat up the metal. All the while I was thinking how = smart I was=20 > for my miniature oil bath. Well, the metal got to were it needed to = be so I=20 > dropped it into the oil bath. Well, about the time that it hit the = oil I had=20 > a revaluation. When you drop really really hot metal into a plastic=20 > container THEY MELT. Well, I ran to grab my drip pan but it was to = late I=20 > had a shop full of smoke from the burning plastic and a floor covered = in oil.=20 > Well, I hope this brings a smile to at least some of you. >=20 > HawkenHunter@aol.com (Hawk) >=20 > If you learn from your mistakes I should be smarter than Einstein. >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:46:28 -0000 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story Lanney, As you well appreciate, that is the reason we spend so much time in prayer for our good friend Dennis. He may be lost, but what the heck, he makes good plunder. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:39:34 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story Ratcliff wrote: > Goes to show you that smithing is a black art, practiced by those who have gone over to the Dark Side. All others should stay away, lest you endanger your immortal soul.... and your sanity. > Lanney >>>Careful, or ye'll get the "EYE" Lad.... D > > > ---- "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:43:27 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story Why doon you guys slide on over to this side.. The view is fantaastic and the company ain't bad... OOps, I forgot what you do for a livin Pablo.. You know well of what I speak..hehehehe D Paul Jones wrote: > Lanney, As you well appreciate, that is the reason we spend so much time in > prayer for our good friend Dennis. He may be lost, but what the heck, he > makes good plunder. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - -- "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:03:16 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF36BF.53DFE9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yer right Dennis the veiw is great and the company is excellent. Ya = know next time them boys want something built from our forges maybe we = ought to remember. OR Maybe NOT ! =20 LP=20 -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Miles To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 6:44 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Humurous story =20 =20 Why doon you guys slide on over to this side.. The view is = fantaastic and the company ain't bad... OOps, I forgot what you do for a livin = Pablo.. You know well of what I speak..hehehehe D =20 Paul Jones wrote: =20 > Lanney, As you well appreciate, that is the reason we spend so = much time in > prayer for our good friend Dennis. He may be lost, but what the = heck, he > makes good plunder. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html =20 -- =20 "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 =20 =20 =20 ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF36BF.53DFE9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yer right Dennis the veiw is great = and the=20 company is excellent. Ya know next time them boys want something = built=20 from our forges maybe we ought to remember. OR Maybe = NOT=20 !

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From:=20 Dennis Miles <deforge1@wesnet.com>
To:= =20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 <hist_text@lists.xmission.com= >
Date:=20 Wednesday, November 24, 1999 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:=20 Humurous story

Why doon you guys slide on over = to this=20 side.. The view is fantaastic and the
company ain't = bad...<G> OOps,=20 I forgot what you do for a livin Pablo.. You know
well of what I=20 speak..hehehehe
D

Paul Jones wrote:

> Lanney, As = you=20 well appreciate, that is the reason we spend so much time in
> = prayer=20 for our good friend Dennis. He may be lost, but what the heck, = he
> makes good plunder.
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF36BF.53DFE9E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:26:22 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: Happy Thanksgiving From my home to yours..... Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving... And to all of our service men (and women) wherever you are... Thank you... Ad and Vicki Miller HMC(FMF)/USN-Ret - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 1999 06:53:45 -0800 From: Buck Subject: MtMan-List: Thanksgiving with Lewis & Clark Thanksgiving Remember that this was not a Holiday as we know it now, that didn抰 happen until the next century and then 50 years before becoming a National Holiday. On November 24 the captains called everyone together. They had come 4,162 miles since leaving the Mississippi, Clark estimated. But now a decision was needed: where to spend the winter. Lewis and Clark explained the options. Staying near the ocean meant they might yet meet a ship, get provisions, and perhaps send a man or two back to Washington by sea with word of their achievement. And being near ocean water, they could also make salt, which they would need for the return trip. They could remain on the north side of the Columbia抯 mouth, through the local Chinook Indians charged what Clark considered extravagant prices for everything and there did not appear to be an abundance of game. They could move to the south side (in what is now Oregon). Some Clatsops, who had crossed over there, promised plenty of elk for food and clothing. Or they could head back upriver - perhaps halfway back toward the Nez Perce - where they could count on drier weather. Once again the captains broke with protocol in reaching an important decision. As military commanders - especially as commanders now operating in territory beyond the borders of the United States - Lewis and Clark could simply have imposed their own choice. Instead, the Corps of Discovery would face this issue the same way it had already dealt with the grueling portage of the Great Falls, the deflating disappointment of Lemhi Pass, the biting cold and near starvation of the Bitterroot Mountains, and the rain-soaked gales of the lower Columbia. They would face it together, as a collection of diverse individuals who had molded themselves into a cohesive unit that was stronger than the sum of its particular parts. E pluribus unum. One by one, the name of each member of the Corps of Discovery was called out. And each one抯 preference was recorded. Clark抯 slave York, was allowed to vote - nearly sixty years before slaves in the rest of America would be emancipated and enfranchised. Sacagawea, the Indian woman, voted too - more than a century before either women or Indains were granted the full rights of citizenship. In the end, a majority decided to cross to the south side of the Columbia. There, together they would spend the winter with all of North America between themselves and their countrymen. Capt. Lewis Branded a tree with his name, Date, etc..... The party all Cut the first letters of their names on different trees.... I marked my name, the Day & year on an alder tree.... William Clark. By Land from the U. States in 1804 & 1805. WILLIAM CLARK ________________________________ Not as fancy a November 24th as we have come to be accustomed to, with large amounts of food, family and left overs, but to them working as a unit and making that crossing to be with the Clatsops, who had crossed over there, promised plenty of elk for food and clothing they had a wonderful day to be thankfull for. Happy Thanksgiving. Later, Buck Conner _________________________________ Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html _________________________________ Aux Ailments de Pays! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:25:48 -0500 From: Anne MacDonnald Subject: MtMan-List: Re: [TheForge] heard of this one? I will cross post this one to the Mtn-man list.. it might get a response.. they do a lot of historical stuff and there have been many discussions over just such things... sabella Giles wrote: > don't think so...why would you have a bimetal skillet? I've seen copper > bottom stainless steel pans, but not skillets. BTW wife says it was 1774, I > just don't listen very well. It was clearly written 'billmettal', the > author of the will appeared to be literate for the time. Maybe I need an > historian... > Dan'l > -----Original Message----- > From: James Cosgrove > To: theforge@qth.net > Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 11:23 PM > Subject: RE: [TheForge] heard of this one? > > >Maybe bi-metal? > > > >James Cosgrove > >cosmetal@att.net > >Sacramento, CA > > > >____________________________________________________________ > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-theforge@qth.net [mailto:owner-theforge@qth.net]On Behalf Of > >Giles > >Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 7:05 PM > >To: theforge > >Subject: [TheForge] heard of this one? > > > > > >my wife was running through some old documents (like, 1884), ran into a > will > >with reference to a 'billmettal skillet'. Anyone know what billmettal > >(spelled the way they spelled it) is, or was? > >Dan'l > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > > >To leave TheForge, send mailto:majordomo@qth.net > >with the BODY of the message containing: > > > >unsubscribe theforge > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > > >To leave TheForge, send mailto:majordomo@qth.net > >with the BODY of the message containing: > > > >unsubscribe theforge > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > To leave TheForge, send mailto:majordomo@qth.net > with the BODY of the message containing: > > unsubscribe theforge - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:35:36 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: MtMan-List: AMM AUCTION Good Morning All, Pardon the shameful, promotional intrusion...Hope y'all had a great Thanksgiving.. And a reminder that the AMM Auction closes down on Dec 5th.. That means only 9 more shopping days!! And I want to thank everyone for thier support so far! Thanks Dennis - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:29:35 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: [TheForge] heard of this one? Billmettal Skillet << 'billmettal' >> My wife (open hearth cooking instructor and board member of to historical societies says it probably should be "Bellmetal" websters dictonary "a bronze that consists of usu. of three to four parts of copper to one of tin and is used for making bells. She also said to remind everyone that spelling was not uniform in the 17th and 18th century (she is also a history teacher) and that education was not universal so you have to look up variations to find the real work sometimes. Your Humble Servant C.T. Oakes - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:32:59 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: [TheForge] heard of this one? More probably a mis-spelling of bell metal a standard alloy. John... At 01:25 AM 11/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >I will cross post this one to the Mtn-man list.. it might get a response.. >they do a lot of historical stuff and there have been many discussions over just >such things... >sabella > >Giles wrote: > >> don't think so...why would you have a bimetal skillet? I've seen copper >> bottom stainless steel pans, but not skillets.=A0 BTW wife says it was 1774, I >> just don't listen very well.=A0 It was clearly written 'billmettal', the >> author of the will appeared to be literate for the time.=A0 Maybe I need= an >> historian... >> Dan'l >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Cosgrove >> To: theforge@qth.net >> Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 11:23 PM >> Subject: RE: [TheForge] heard of this one? >> >> >Maybe bi-metal? >> > >> >James Cosgrove >> >cosmetal@att.net >> >Sacramento, CA >> > >> >____________________________________________________________ >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-theforge@qth.net [mailto:owner-theforge@qth.net]On Behalf Of >> >Giles >> >Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 7:05 PM >> >To: theforge >> >Subject: [TheForge] heard of this one? >> > >> > >> >my wife was running through some old documents (like, 1884), ran into a >> will >> >with reference to a 'billmettal skillet'.=A0 Anyone know what billmettal >> >(spelled the way they spelled it) is, or was? >> >Dan'l >> > >> > >> > >> >______________________________________________________ >> > >> >To leave TheForge, send= mailto:majordomo@qth.net >> >with the BODY of the message containing: >> > >> >unsubscribe theforge >> > >> > >> > >> >______________________________________________________ >> > >> >To leave TheForge, send= mailto:majordomo@qth.net >> >with the BODY of the message containing: >> > >> >unsubscribe theforge >> > >> > >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> To leave TheForge, send= mailto:majordomo@qth.net >> with the BODY of the message containing: >> >> unsubscribe theforge > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: =20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 99 23:05:57 EST From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [MtMan-List: Thanksgiving with Lewis & Clark] Buck wrote: Thanksgiving Remember that this was not a Holiday as we know it now, that didn=92t hap= pen until the next century and then 50 years before becoming a National Holid= ay. On November 24 the captains called everyone together. They had come 4,162= miles since leaving the Mississippi, Clark estimated. But now a decision = was needed: where to spend the winter. Lewis and Clark explained the options.= = Staying near the ocean meant they might yet meet a ship, get provisions, = and perhaps send a man or two back to Washington by sea with word of their achievement. And being near ocean water, they could also make salt, which= they would need for the return trip. They could remain on the north side of the Columbia=92s mouth, through th= e local Chinook Indians charged what Clark considered extravagant prices for everything and there did not appear to be an abundance of game. They could move to the south side (in what is now Oregon). Some Clatsops,= who had crossed over there, promised plenty of elk for food and clothing. Or they could head back upriver - perhaps halfway back toward the Nez Per= ce - where they could count on drier weather. Once again the captains broke with protocol in reaching an important deci= sion. As military commanders - especially as commanders now operating in territ= ory beyond the borders of the United States - Lewis and Clark could simply ha= ve imposed their own choice. Instead, the Corps of Discovery would face this issue the same way it had= already dealt with the grueling portage of the Great Falls, the deflating= disappointment of Lemhi Pass, the biting cold and near starvation of the Bitterroot Mountains, and the rain-soaked gales of the lower Columbia. Th= ey would face it together, as a collection of diverse individuals who had mo= lded themselves into a cohesive unit that was stronger than the sum of its particular parts. E pluribus unum. One by one, the name of each member of the Corps of Discovery was called = out. And each one=92s preference was recorded. Clark=92s slave York, was allowed to vote - nearly sixty years before sla= ves in the rest of America would be emancipated and enfranchised. Sacagawea, the Indian woman, voted too - more than a century before eithe= r women or Indains were granted the full rights of citizenship. In the end, a majority decided to cross to the south side of the Columbia= =2E There, together they would spend the winter with all of North America bet= ween themselves and their countrymen. Capt. Lewis Branded a tree with his name, Date, etc..... The party all Cu= t the first letters of their names on different trees.... I marked my name, the= Day & year on an alder tree.... William Clark. By Land from the U. States in= 1804 & 1805. WILLIAM CLARK ________________________________ Not as fancy a November 24th as we have come to be accustomed to, with la= rge amounts of food, family and left overs, but to them working as a unit an= d making that crossing to be with the Clatsops, who had crossed over there,= promised plenty of elk for food and clothing they had a wonderful day to = be thankfull for. Happy Thanksgiving. Later, Buck Conner ________________________________ Hello Camp, I have been visiting Mr. Conner and family for several days now, getting = ready to head for PA in the morning. Have talked to him about putting out a com= plete memo of the "Holidays with the Corps of Discovery", interesting reading. = He has his web master reworking his personal page should be ready very shortley with (60) plus articles that have been published in a number of magazines, all are excellent resource material for those doing 1750-1850.= He has an additional 25-30 ready for the site, just needs to edit them, I ca= n see why his wife just shakes her head and goes to bed, he never stops researc= hing or writing. The best part he shares it through the period magazines and h= is new web site, cool. I had better get ready for an early start, I'll be off line for at least = 2 days of driving, later. "Concho" D.L. 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