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hist_text-digest      Saturday, December 4 1999      Volume 01 : Number 418



In this issue:

-       Re: MtMan-List:  a week in the wilds of Idaho
-       RE: MtMan-List: moccs
-       Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Trees
-       MtMan-List: Smoke tan
-       RE: MtMan-List: Smoke tan
-       RE: MtMan-List: Smoke tan
-       Re: MtMan-List: moccs
-       Re: MtMan-List: Richard (Beaver Dick) Leigh Trapper/Guide
-       Re: MtMan-List: Trap Discussion
-       Re: MtMan-List: Richard (Beaver Dick) Leigh Trapper/Guide
-       RE: MtMan-List: moccs
-       MtMan-List: Fwd: "Beaver" Dick Leigh family

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:14:17 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:  a week in the wilds of Idaho

JON MARINETTI wrote:
> 
> Capt.,
> 
> Thanks again for sharing.  you sure have a talent for capturing fine
> details and translating them to words, as some others in the camp no
> doubt have also.

Jon,

Lots of insperation floating around out there for sure. Thanks for your
kind words. Glad you enjoyed the story.

> [btw: is your rifle an antique or was your rifle custom built?, i.e.,
> first time heard of that name and being .62].

It is an antique about two years old. <G> I made it last year in October
in anticipation of taking it on my first Idaho elk hunt. That hunt last
year resulted in a fine fat cow on the 14th day of the hunt, the day
before I would have to leave for home. 

The gun is a design of Mark Silver whom I understand is a contemporary
custom gun maker. His basic idea is representative of a long rifle of
around 1760-80 as I recall. Jim Chambers, Mark Silver and Getz
colaborate to put out the lock, stock, and barrel for assembly as a kit
gun. I'm well pleased with the rifle and expect it will fill my meat
pole many times over before I pass it on to my son. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:26:45 -0700
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <louis.l.sickler@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: moccs

Ho the list,

Here are a few references I found regarding rawhide soled moccasins, or even
entire mocs being made of rawhide.  I'm at work, so I can't cite page
numbers from hard copy books. These are on Dean Rudy's web page, for your
reading pleasure.

Also included is a description of different moccasin types, from George
Ruxton.

=====================================================
Letters by Wm. Becknell regarding the early Southwestern trade.

For instance, we subsisted two days on soup made of a raw hide we had
reserved for sealing our moccasins; on the following morning the remains
were dished up into a hash. 

===================================================
John B. Wyeth's Oregon, or a Short History of a Long Journey

The Flat-heads were well dressed. They wore buck-skin frocks and pantaloons,
and moccasins, with seldom
any thing on their heads. They draw a piece of fresh buffalo hide on their
feet, and at night sleep with their feet not far from the fire, and in the
morning find their shoes sitting as snug to their feet as if they had been
measured by the first shoe-maker in Boston. It is probable that no people
have so little shoepinching as these savages. I never heard any one complain
of corns, or kibed-heels, severe as the weather is in winter.
The women wear moccasins also, but whether made in the same extempore method
as those of the men, I know not. I suspect they must experience some
shoepinching. 

==================================
Journal of a Trapper, by Osborne Russell

We had plenty of Meat however and made Mocasins of raw Elk hide

===========================
The River of the West - Chapter 1

In the spring, when the camp breaks up, the skins which have been used all
winter for lodges are cut up to make moccasins: because from their having
been thoroughly smoked by the lodge fires they do not shrink in wetting,
like raw skins. This is an important quality in a moccasin, as a trapper is
almost constantly in the water, and should not his moccasins be smoked they
will close upon his feet, in drying, like a vice.
Sometimes after trapping all day, the tired and soaked trapper lies down in
his blankets at night, still wet. But by-and-by he is wakened by the
pinching of his moccasins, and is obliged to rise and seek the water again
to relieve himself of the pain. For the same reason, when spring comes, the
trapper is forced to cut off the lower half of his buckskin breeches, and
piece them down with blanket legging, which he wears all
through the trapping season.

=====================================
Bradbury's Travels in the Interior of America

We continued to pursue our course along the creek, but with great trouble,
as our mockassons, being of untanned skins, became so soft as to render it
difficult to keep them on our feet. 

===================================
Ruxton's 'Wild Life in the Rocky Mountains

Each tribe of Prairie Indians has a different method of making moccasins, so
that any one, acquainted with the various fashions, is at no loss to know
the nation to which any particular one belongs whom he may happen to meet.
The Arapahos and Cheyennes use a "shoe" moccasin, that is, one which reaches
no higher than the instep, and wants the upper sideflaps which moccasins
usually have. I always used Chippewa moccasins, which differ from those of
the Prairie make, by the seam being made up the center of the foot to the
leg, and puckered into plaits. This, which is the true fashion of the
"Forest Indian," (who, by the by, is as distinct in character and appearance
from him of the "plains" as a bear from a blue-bottle) attracted the
attention of the Arapaho warriors, and caused a lively discussion amongst
themselves, owing to the novelty of the manufacture. They all surrounded me,
and each examined and felt carefully the unusual chaussure. 

Towards the latter end of April green grass began to show itself in the
bottoms, and -myself and two others, who had been wintering in the mountains
for the benefit of their health, made preparations for our departure to the
United States. Pack-saddles were inspected and repaired, apishamores made,
lariats and lassos greased and stretched, mules and horses collected from
their feeding-grounds, and their fore feet shod. A small supply of meat was
"made" (i. e. cut into thin flaps and dried in the sun), to last until we
reached the buffalo-range; rifles put in order, and balls run; hobbles cut
out of rawhide, parfleche moccasins cobbled up, deerskin hunting-shirts and
pantaloons patched, and all our very primitive "kit" overhauled to render it
serviceable for the journey across the grand prairies, while the
"possible-sack" was lightened of all superfluities -- an easy task by the
way. 
===============================================================

Three Years Among the Indians and Mexicans, Chapter 1, by Thomas James

My feet, in addition to all other sufferings, now became sore and more
painful than ever. The men had made for me a moccasin of skin taken from the
legs of a buffalo, and which I wore with the hair next my feet and legs. I
felt the blood gurgling and bubbling in this casing at every step.
============================

The River of the West - Chapter 7

I have taken the soles off my moccasins, crisped them in the fire, and eaten
them.
========================

Narrative of Robert Campbell

They would cut off bears feet, and use them as moccasins to steal up and
capture horses. 
==========================================================================



Well, there they are. I'm not going to try to draw a lot of conclusions.
Looks like they made do with what they had, which for me seems like the best
approach. I have and will continue to put a rawhide outer sole on my mocs.
It is a necessity here in the STONY mountains if you're going to hike very
far. If the rocks don't get you, the cactus will.

Looks like Ruxton agreed with Mike about the center seam mocs. 

There were also several references to cactus and sand burrs "piercing the
best of moccasins", but did not say that these had rawhide soles or not.

Somewhere at home I have a period reference to a two-piece, separate sole &
upper, being made. I'll have to look that one up.

Hope somebody out there can use all this.

Lou Sickler
Colorado Territory


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Joe Brandl [SMTP:jbrandl@wyoming.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:27 PM
> To:	hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject:	MtMan-List: moccs
> 
> Few if any rawhide soled moccs were ever worn at a rendezvous before 
> 1850. A piece of leather would of been sewn to the bottom of side 
> seam, center seam, pucker toe, etc.
> Joe
> Check out our web site at:
> www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:14:18 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Trees

buck
I have a house in st charles and go there on a regular basis---wouls sure
love to go to the cave you mentioned in your post send me some info---

On 1 Dec 1999 17:31:41 -0800 Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net> writes:
> On Wed, 01 December 1999, "John L. Allen" wrote:
> 
> > 
> > None of the trees inscribed by members of the Corps of Discovery 
> are still
> > standing, having gone the way of big timber throughout much of the 
> West.
> > 
> > The only remnant that marks the passage of the Corps of Discovery 
> is William
> > Clark's characteristic and readily identifiable scratched 
> signature on
> > Pompey's Pillar (Tower) just east of Billings, Montana.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > Dr. John L. Allen
> > 21 Thomas Drive
> > Storrs, CT 06268
> > 860/487-1346
> > johnlallen@uconn.cted.net
> > 
> 
> 
> Doc,
> 
> If you ever get a chance to go to Washington MO, check with me and 
> I'll get you a name or two that can show you "Tavern Cave", the one 
> Lewis & Clark stayed in for a period of time. Has ORDWAY's name and 
> several others scribed into the walls, only thing that has saved 
> them (their names) is it's location and over the years water has 
> deepened the cave making the name about 10 foot off the muddy floor 
> now.
> 
> Later,
> Buck Conner
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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:12:50 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Smoke tan

Any ideas how I can smoke hides in the "city."

Jim

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:52:36 -0700
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <louis.l.sickler@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Smoke tan

Jim,

I set my weber grill under my hides hanging from a limb. I sew a canvas or
old jean skirt onto the bottom of the hide tube to protect it from the heat.
Start a small fire in the grill, and when it burns down, add rotten cotton
wood, hickory chips, or whatever you like. Put the top on the grill,
position the hide tube over the vent and smoke away. The smoke escapes out
from the little vent in the top right into the hide tube, works great. Never
had anybody question what I was doing.

Can only do one at a time this way, but that's all I ever seem to have ready
at any given time.

Lou Sickler
Colorado Territory


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> Subject:	MtMan-List: Smoke tan
> 
> Any ideas how I can smoke hides in the "city."
> 
> Jim
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:53:50 -0800 
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Smoke tan

We usually sew or baste the hide(s) into a sort of balloon which is held
open by little sticks and strings etc, and fed by a small stove pipe. In the
stove we burn the usual punk cottonwood chips or other dry smoky (not
resinous) material. The hide is ready in 1-2 hours. You could presumably get
away with this in any neighborhood which tolerates burning of leaves etc. If
not, you might have to attempt this at the next rendezvous or camp, which
would make an interesting demonstration. The fully primitive method (aside
from hanging in the tipi) involves doing the same thing as above, without
the stove, using a small fire in a pit with skin tented over it. A properly
brain-tanned but unsmoked hide will keep fine as long as it is dry. 
YMOS
Pat Quilter

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To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Smoke tan


Any ideas how I can smoke hides in the "city."

Jim

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:17:34 -0700
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccs

Lou-
    Great input! No matter if the references agree with me or not, that is how
we all learn. And even decide on what to wear, use and put on. The Denver Art
Museum does have some Indian Mocs with thin rawhide soles, a little later than
we portary, but still around.
I do agree that some times a hard sole is nice to have, there have been camps
where it has taken a year or more to get all the prickly pear needles out of the
mocs and not have the sox stay in the mocs when you pull your foot out. I find
the side seam to be my favorite, all moc styles have their pros and cons (hard
soles being they are so slippery in wet grass and when wet all the way through).
And even the side seams take regular restiching to redo the front stiches from
scuffing and dragging of the feet.
                                                                mike.
Sickler, Louis L wrote:

> Ho the list,
>
> Here are a few references I found regarding rawhide soled moccasins, or even
> entire mocs being made of rawhide.  I'm at work, so I can't cite page
> numbers from hard copy books. These are on Dean Rudy's web page, for your
> reading pleasure.
>
> Also included is a description of different moccasin types, from George
> Ruxton.
>
> =====================================================
> Letters by Wm. Becknell regarding the early Southwestern trade.
>
> For instance, we subsisted two days on soup made of a raw hide we had
> reserved for sealing our moccasins; on the following morning the remains
> were dished up into a hash.
>
> ===================================================
> John B. Wyeth's Oregon, or a Short History of a Long Journey
>
> The Flat-heads were well dressed. They wore buck-skin frocks and pantaloons,
> and moccasins, with seldom
> any thing on their heads. They draw a piece of fresh buffalo hide on their
> feet, and at night sleep with their feet not far from the fire, and in the
> morning find their shoes sitting as snug to their feet as if they had been
> measured by the first shoe-maker in Boston. It is probable that no people
> have so little shoepinching as these savages. I never heard any one complain
> of corns, or kibed-heels, severe as the weather is in winter.
> The women wear moccasins also, but whether made in the same extempore method
> as those of the men, I know not. I suspect they must experience some
> shoepinching.
>
> ==================================
> Journal of a Trapper, by Osborne Russell
>
> We had plenty of Meat however and made Mocasins of raw Elk hide
>
> ===========================
> The River of the West - Chapter 1
>
> In the spring, when the camp breaks up, the skins which have been used all
> winter for lodges are cut up to make moccasins: because from their having
> been thoroughly smoked by the lodge fires they do not shrink in wetting,
> like raw skins. This is an important quality in a moccasin, as a trapper is
> almost constantly in the water, and should not his moccasins be smoked they
> will close upon his feet, in drying, like a vice.
> Sometimes after trapping all day, the tired and soaked trapper lies down in
> his blankets at night, still wet. But by-and-by he is wakened by the
> pinching of his moccasins, and is obliged to rise and seek the water again
> to relieve himself of the pain. For the same reason, when spring comes, the
> trapper is forced to cut off the lower half of his buckskin breeches, and
> piece them down with blanket legging, which he wears all
> through the trapping season.
>
> =====================================
> Bradbury's Travels in the Interior of America
>
> We continued to pursue our course along the creek, but with great trouble,
> as our mockassons, being of untanned skins, became so soft as to render it
> difficult to keep them on our feet.
>
> ===================================
> Ruxton's 'Wild Life in the Rocky Mountains
>
> Each tribe of Prairie Indians has a different method of making moccasins, so
> that any one, acquainted with the various fashions, is at no loss to know
> the nation to which any particular one belongs whom he may happen to meet.
> The Arapahos and Cheyennes use a "shoe" moccasin, that is, one which reaches
> no higher than the instep, and wants the upper sideflaps which moccasins
> usually have. I always used Chippewa moccasins, which differ from those of
> the Prairie make, by the seam being made up the center of the foot to the
> leg, and puckered into plaits. This, which is the true fashion of the
> "Forest Indian," (who, by the by, is as distinct in character and appearance
> from him of the "plains" as a bear from a blue-bottle) attracted the
> attention of the Arapaho warriors, and caused a lively discussion amongst
> themselves, owing to the novelty of the manufacture. They all surrounded me,
> and each examined and felt carefully the unusual chaussure.
>
> Towards the latter end of April green grass began to show itself in the
> bottoms, and -myself and two others, who had been wintering in the mountains
> for the benefit of their health, made preparations for our departure to the
> United States. Pack-saddles were inspected and repaired, apishamores made,
> lariats and lassos greased and stretched, mules and horses collected from
> their feeding-grounds, and their fore feet shod. A small supply of meat was
> "made" (i. e. cut into thin flaps and dried in the sun), to last until we
> reached the buffalo-range; rifles put in order, and balls run; hobbles cut
> out of rawhide, parfleche moccasins cobbled up, deerskin hunting-shirts and
> pantaloons patched, and all our very primitive "kit" overhauled to render it
> serviceable for the journey across the grand prairies, while the
> "possible-sack" was lightened of all superfluities -- an easy task by the
> way.
> ===============================================================
>
> Three Years Among the Indians and Mexicans, Chapter 1, by Thomas James
>
> My feet, in addition to all other sufferings, now became sore and more
> painful than ever. The men had made for me a moccasin of skin taken from the
> legs of a buffalo, and which I wore with the hair next my feet and legs. I
> felt the blood gurgling and bubbling in this casing at every step.
> ============================
>
> The River of the West - Chapter 7
>
> I have taken the soles off my moccasins, crisped them in the fire, and eaten
> them.
> ========================
>
> Narrative of Robert Campbell
>
> They would cut off bears feet, and use them as moccasins to steal up and
> capture horses.
> ==========================================================================
>
> Well, there they are. I'm not going to try to draw a lot of conclusions.
> Looks like they made do with what they had, which for me seems like the best
> approach. I have and will continue to put a rawhide outer sole on my mocs.
> It is a necessity here in the STONY mountains if you're going to hike very
> far. If the rocks don't get you, the cactus will.
>
> Looks like Ruxton agreed with Mike about the center seam mocs.
>
> There were also several references to cactus and sand burrs "piercing the
> best of moccasins", but did not say that these had rawhide soles or not.
>
> Somewhere at home I have a period reference to a two-piece, separate sole &
> upper, being made. I'll have to look that one up.
>
> Hope somebody out there can use all this.
>
> Lou Sickler
> Colorado Territory
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Brandl [SMTP:jbrandl@wyoming.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:27 PM
> > To:   hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject:      MtMan-List: moccs
> >
> > Few if any rawhide soled moccs were ever worn at a rendezvous before
> > 1850. A piece of leather would of been sewn to the bottom of side
> > seam, center seam, pucker toe, etc.
> > Joe
> > Check out our web site at:
> > www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html
> > Try our great Home Tanning Kit for $39.95, based on 20 years of tanning
> > Rawhide lampshades, buffalo hides, lodgepole furniture, furs & leather
> > Give us a call?
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:05:02 -0600
From: "Douglas Hepner" <dullhawk@texomaonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Richard (Beaver Dick) Leigh Trapper/Guide

    There is a book about Beaver Dick Leigh called "The Honor and The Heart
Break" by Edith M. Schultz Thompson and William Leigh Thompson published by
Jelm Mountain Press, Laramie WY in 1982. I also have a book that has a small
article about him. I will see if I can find any info in it that might help.

YMOS
"Dull Hawk"

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Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Richard (Beaver Dick) Leigh Trapper/Guide


> At 11:31 PM 11/30/1999 EST, you wrote:
> >
> >Does anyone have any info on a trapper/guide named Richard "Beaver Dick"
> >Leigh.
> >He has a lake named after him near Yellowstone and he married a Shoshone
> >Indian woman named Jenny, who also has a lake named for her.  My
grandmother
> >always said that this couple was her grandparents or great-grandparents,
but
> >all information I can find says Jenny and their five children all died of
> >pneumonia.  He was married at Fort Hall, Idaho, Thanks Jamie
> >
> Beaver Dick lived primarily in the area now known as Rexburg, Idahol.
There
> is a park on the Henry's Fork of the Snake River west of Rexburg call
Beaver
> Dick park.  He guided the Hayden expedition in Yellowstone park, and was
> pretty "colorful".  Leigh Lake and Jenny Lake in Jackson's Hole are named
> for him and his Shoshoni wife, Jenny.
>
> Contact me privately if you want for more stuff.  I live near this area.
>
> Allen Hall from Fort Hall country
> Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:12:05 -0600
From: "Douglas Hepner" <dullhawk@texomaonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trap Discussion

Has anyone actually used any of these traps for beaver trapping?

"Dull Hawk"
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trap Discussion


>
> > >Let's talk traps.  I note in Carl Russell's book that Victor traps
dated
> > >back only to around 1886 but they are still (I think) making traps
today.
>
> > >My questions:
>
> > >2) Alternately, are there any current trap builders who supply a
historically correct trap in the 3-4 lb range?
>
>
> "Arrow Head Forge" has a good looking period trap available.
>
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:23:12 EST
From: BoborJamie@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Richard (Beaver Dick) Leigh Trapper/Guide

Thanks so much.  I have Amazon.com doing a search for it right now.  
bibliiofind.com couldn't find it either.  This will be a great help.  Thanks 
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:13 -0700
From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: moccs

There is a great deal of difference in a 2 piece rawhide sole mocc 
and moccs made from raw skins. Thanks for the references, good to 
have on file.
Joe
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:36:10 EST
From: BoborJamie@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: "Beaver" Dick Leigh family

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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:15:32 EST
Subject: Fwd: "Beaver" Dick Leigh family
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Pertaining to information request for Beaver Dick Leigh
This is very exciting for me as well.  I don't know for sure yet if I can 
make a direct family connection, but I will certainly check it out.  This 
site has proved to be the most interesting not only on a personal basis, but 
a historical as well.  Everyone seems so involved and eager to exchange 
information, it's like meeting a long lost family.  Thank you so much for 
your input.  I certainly will investigate it further. 
I have had several fruitful responses.  Thank you to the entire group.  
Jamie
Thanks also to Allen who has also provided important information.

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According to a book I have, Beaver Dick's "first" family was stricken with s=
mall pox. In a letter he wrote of the incedent, he did not mention the death=
 of Anne Jane (one of his girls) so she may haved survived. He also remarrie=
d to a woman who was promised to him at birth (also a Shoshone) and they had=
 three children, Emma b.1881, William Bradhurst Leigh b.1886, and Rose b.188=
6. Do any of these names ring a bell? I deeply hope that this info helps you=
 with your research. The book I got this info from is "Mountain Men of Jacks=
on's Hole" by Fern K. Nelson published by Jackson Hole Museum (where I bough=
t it). I sent an attachment of a picture of Beaver Dick's first family (also=
 from the book). This is kinda exciting for me, so let me know what you find=
 out. You might share your findings with all of us at the mountain man list,=
 I think that we would all like to hear about it even if it is not pre-1840.=
 I know I would!

YMOS
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