From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #433 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, December 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number 433 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: It is Happy Holidays -       Re: MtMan-List: question -       Re: MtMan-List: question -       MtMan-List: Lacing Leather -       MtMan-List: Howdy Bill C. -       MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request -       RE: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request -       MtMan-List: question -       Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request -       Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request -       Re: MtMan-List: question -       MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico -       MtMan-List: Christmas Greetings -       Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request -       MtMan-List: HAPPY HOLIDAYS -       Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico -       Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request -       Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico -       MtMan-List: Christmas Eve -       Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico -       Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico -       MtMan-List: Sheep skins that need help. [OFF TOPIC] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:58:08 -0800 From: "Wayne & Terri" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: It is Happy Holidays to CT Oakes, Congrates on the kill. 3strings - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:23:41 -0800 From: "Wayne & Terri" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question Old Fox, I was not in the USMC, but did do 20 years in the USN, I see in my neighbors the same thing that your wife sees in hers. When something goes amiss, they seem to lean on us to get them together and lead them though the mess. Even though I do have some fine neighbors around me, at times I do wonder where their minds are at and if the common since that god has given them gone away. I believe that is one of the reasons that I belong to the AMM, because it is full of leaders, men that can come together to take the lead when the next man can't and not look on him a failure. We all know that at one time or another he will be called on to take to point, to be the bosoloper for the camp. I am rambling. May ye have a good Christmas. 3-strings - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:33:48 -0800 From: "Wayne & Terri" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question yes I agree. to bad oh bill Clinton don't get it. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Lacing Leather To W.and G. Ormond, I was not referring to long-lacing leather clothing. On the sleeves and trouser legs I put holes in the front and back pieces then run a piece of lacing 6-8 inches long through both faces and knot it. I space them from 4-6 inches apart for the length of the garment, then fringe the overlap. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:27:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Howdy Bill C. It is cold and windy as usual up here in Wyoming, Bill, as you probably suspected. I have been here since our talk at Bridger. Where you been? Hope your Holiday is good, and may your memories of the past serve you in the future. Dog, G.H.B. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:30:03 -0700 From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request Brothers I think we may have talked about this before. If we did, I lost any info I might have saved. I'm looking for a good pemmican recipe. I have a few pounds of tough old buffalo bull in the freezer and some red raspberries I picked last summer. Wes Housler told me he had a good recipe, but I didn't get it from him before he rode out of Rendezvous. I do recall that he didn't use any berries in hs concoction. Any ideas will be appreciated. How bout you Mike Moore? You always seem to have some tasty treats? While I'm writing let me wish all you fine fellows a most Merry Chrismas and a Happy New Century!!! Happy Trails! "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party Pilgrim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:01:03 -0700 From: Justin Hall Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request - -----Original Message----- From: tetontodd@juno.com [SMTP:tetontodd@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 12:30 PM To: hist_text@xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request Brothers Well hello teton. missed seeing you at the village last weekend how are things going? I have been busy making projects and tanning a few hides. I just got the new buskining book#8 I have really enjoyed it well hope you have a Merry Christmas Justin Hall - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:46:44 -0000 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: MtMan-List: question Huss931@aol.com wrote about how would the mountain men would act today. He listed many admirable traits, but the following might merit some (unheated and calm) discussion: > They could be trusted with a handshake-- contracts were seldom needed; I believe they could be trusted, but there are many fur trading contracts that survive today. Indeed many traders were involved in lawsuits back in St. Louis. > They were symbiotic with nature; Not by today's standards. They practically eradicated the beaver, and enjoyed hunting for killing sake. Offered in the spirit of constructive criticism Glenn Darilek Iron Burner - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:47:22 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request Todd, Always willing to help you, but you need to know that I consider pemmican as survival food. Good in a pinch, but just too much other things better tasting to eat! I think every one has their own slant on making pemmican. I tend to stay away from it. But as you want some recipes for it- here goes: from Sam Arnold's book "Eating up the Santa Fe Trail" page 48, "At the time of the Santa Fe trail, it was called the" iron ration" of an indian warrior. Mountain men and Indians alike enjoyed the combination of chokeberries mixed with well pounded jerky and nearly equal amounts of rendered tallow fat (the puriest form surrounds an animals kidneys). Pemmican was normally formed by hand into small walnut sized balls and could be stored individually. It could also be forced into am empty bladder, where it would keep for lone peroids." from the "complete book of outdoor cookery" (notice it is under survival foods! ha ha!) 2 pounds of dried venison or any other meat, 1 cup raisins, one tbsp honey and 2 tbsp chunk style peanut butter. Grind dried meat fine, pulp raisins and combine. store in plastic pouch. should keep for eight months to year without refridgation. page 211 ( for a modern style.) The american hertiage cookbook page 51, "the making of pemmican was an art, the foundation of which was butchering. I have seen meat jerkers ( a poineer recalled) who could cut a whole hind quarter into one big sheet of meat. Buffalo served as the principal ingredient of pemmican. It was cut into strips about a inch thick, then dried. and pounded fine. sometimes calle d"beat meat" at this stage, the pounded jerky always was mixed with fat and as often as possible, with pulverized berries, then packed in skin bags. The best pemmican according to David Thompson ( the great Nor'westerner) was a mixture of fifty pounds of beat meat, and twenty each of two kinds of fat, plus a goodly quanlity of maple sugar or dried berries "as sweet as the best currants". Todd, hope this makes your mouth drule and say yummm yumm! IF you do want a nice recipe for this time of the year, try this one: (from Bent's fort christmas recipes book) Let me know if you or any one would like a copy of this small pamplet, some good recipes in it. Dark Gingerbread: 1 1/3 cups flour/1 teaspoon baking powder/ 2 teaspoons ginger/ 1 teaspoon cinnamon/ 1/2 teaspoon powdered cloves/ 1/2 teaspoon salt/ 4 tblsp unsalted butter/1/4 cup brown sugar (packed) 1 egg/ 1/2 cup boiling water/ 1/2 cup dark molasses/ 1/2 teaspoon baking soda mix flour baking soda, spices salt and set aside. cream shortening with sugar until light and fluffy; add egg and beat ; combine boiling water and molasses, stir in soda until dissolved and add to batter. resift flour mixture and add gradually, stirring well between additions. pour into well buttered 8 inch loaf pan and bake 20 -30 minutes at 350. Can sprinkle with confectioners sugar or top with whipped cream. Good stuff! Merry Christmas, Todd, say hi to all for me. mike. tetontodd@juno.com wrote: > Brothers > > I think we may have talked about this before. If we did, I lost any info > I might have saved. > I'm looking for a good pemmican recipe. I have a few pounds of tough old > buffalo bull in the freezer and some red raspberries I picked last > summer. Wes Housler told me he had a good recipe, but I didn't get it > from him before he rode out of Rendezvous. I do recall that he didn't use > any berries in hs concoction. > > Any ideas will be appreciated. How bout you Mike Moore? You always seem > to have some tasty treats? > > While I'm writing let me wish all you fine fellows a most Merry Chrismas > and a Happy New Century!!! > > Happy Trails! > > "Teton" Todd D. Glover > Poison River Party Pilgrim > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: MedicineWolfe@webtv.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request Ho the list! I generally just "lurk about" on the list, (gathering much information & wisdom) however I came across a nice recipe for pemmican (Blackfeet in origin) in a primitive living book the name of which escapes me so I thought I'd post it!!! Happy Holidays and Enjoy!!! Michael Anthony Wolfe, Esq. Recipe for Pemmican: 5lbs. lean meat 1lb.back fat Blueberriesand Raspberries to taste. (I like a little Maple or Sugar Pine syrup to!) Bones for Marrow 4 Peppermint leaves Dry the meat till its bone dry and pound into a fine powder. Heat the bones in water in a heavy skillet to melt the marrow. Skim the marrow and save. Pit and crush the berries. Spread the powdered meat in a 2"layer in a cake tin. Cover w/ the marrow,fat, crushed berries etc.. Mix together,roll into balls and store in a tight container. http://community.webtv.net/MedicineWolfe/TheBuckskinnersCabin - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:14:43 EST From: Huss931@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question Dear Glenn, Thanks for the continuing discussion of mountain man traits. You are correct about legal suits in St. Louis. Robert Campbell (of Sublette and Campbell and the Rocky Mountain Fur Co.) did participate in many suits. However, most of his suits dealt with those who tried to beat him out of something. He never sued a fellow mountain man. As for contracts-- yes they did make contracts over major deals like the sale by Ashley of the Rocky Mountain Fur Co. to other mountain men. At the same time, Sublette and Campbell risked their lives for years going back and forth from St. Louis to the Rockies on nothing but a handshake deal to buy goods from them the next year at the Rendezvous. As for the over harvesting of the Beaver (and the buffalo!), you again are correct. There was an over-harvesting of these animals. Again, the real damage on the buffalo came from hunters for the railroad and, later, "sport" hunters who shot from the windows and cow-catchers of railroads. The beaver was over harvested by the mountain men. Not to make excuses for this activity, in my research I did find Campbell and others very concerned about this and they often wondered if this was happening. Luckily, silk came in for hats, and beaver became pretty well passe. You are also right when you suggest that their actions could be judged harshly by today's standards. I have found that it is often easy to judge the past from the comfort and knowledge of the present. When I suggested a symbiosis, I really meant that the mountain man lived in harmony as possible in their historic time. No mountain man would have willingly destroyed the animal life upon which he depended. The information I have seen through reading over a thousand letters from these men seems to indicate that they believed that the supply was probably unlimited. This belief in plenty was pretty pervasive in the U.S. in many fields of endeavor. Southern planters believed that they could use up the land and then move on. Plains farmers believed that they could plant over and over and over. Riverboat men denuded the banks of the Missouri River without giving it a thought. The level of scientific understanding just was not there in the national knowledge base. I don't want to mythologize the mountain man-- that is too easy to do. I just think that the basic values are (or can be) important to us today. We are really in need of heroes. Men like Jim Bridger, Jed Smith, Robert Campbell, William Sublette, David Jackson, and maybe even Jim Beckwourth, were just big enough to serve as persons to look up to and learn from. And, it is okay to look up to them and at the same time understand that they were not gods, not giants, but, maybe just a little bigger than life. At least, I like to think so. Thanks again for your comments. It is really important to look at all ideas critically. You do a service to us all-- you make us think. As I teach American History to college freshmen, I know that sometimes that is a real trick! Steve (huss931@aol.com) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:37:13 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico Week before last I found myself in the situation of having to travel to Albuquerque, N.M. where for 4 days I had nothing better to do but keep out of trouble. First thing I did upon arrival was to rent a SUV and go to a local bookstore where I purchased a copy of a DeLorme atlas and gazeteer of New Mexico. That evening in my motel room I got a chance to look it over, (while enjoying a carryout meal of assorted mexican food with extra green chiles!), and made a game plan. The first day I headed north up towards Santa Fe. Spent some time in town and got a chance to see the old town, in particular the old Spanish buildings including the palace of the governors. The day I was there some local native Americans had a winter market where they had many items for sale in the old square. I purchased a few things from some interesting looking folks and then headed back south, but I took the long way back to the east of the Sandia Mountains. Very pretty country. The next day I headed South down to Las Cruces. I headed into the back country around Truth or Consequences because there was a large reservoir on the Rio Grande that I thought would be an interesting place to explore. Took about a 3 hour walk after I reached a spot which was as far as I could go with the chevy tahoe. I found some very interesting geological formations wich had been washed out by a high water period. They were like thousands of golf ball sized balls stuk together and made out of stone. This was near the "trinity site" where the first atomic explosion occurred on the White Sands missile range. Being born and raised in WI this country seems very alien to me. But very interesting. I once poked around in a pack rats nest trying to get a closer look and found a shed skin from a snake which must have measured 6' or so feet long. Important lesson learned: do not poke around in pack rats nests and watch out for big snakes. Actually I think it was to cold for them to be active, but not being familiar with these sort of things I tried to be better safe that sorry. The next day I headed West and went to the El Morro national monument. I think this was the highlight of the trip for me. Hundreds of signatures carved into a sandstone rock outcropping that was near a reliable source of water. The oldest dating back to 1609. On the top of the mesa there was a partially excavated Zuni puelbo that had an estimated 875 rooms. The vista when standing on top of the highest point near the pueblo was spectacular. I must have stood there for 30 minutes surveying the surrounding lanscape. Funny thing was I swear I had been there before. The final day I hit all of the local used bookstores in Albuquerque and I found two notable items. The first was the origanal report written by Jackson W. Moore entitled The Archeology of Bent's Old Fort. This is the original typed report with all of the original photos taped in of the archeological investigations that were done in 1967. This information was later published into a book entitled The Archeology of Bent's Old Fort. It has quite a bit of info that is not contained in the book and the assortment of photos of items that had been excavated are very interesting. The other item was a book entitled Cities of Gold by a fella named Douglas Preston. It chronicles his journey on horseback to retrace the trail taken by Coronado and his army across 1000 miles of desert and mountains. I am 3 days into it and have to say it is a great book. Anyone interested in the history of this region or adventure in general would love this book. All in all it was an interesting diversion from my present situation which requires me to work out of doors every day, and the temperature has been quite cold lately. It was -10 this morning and calm, but I swear as I get older -10 gets to feel colder and colder. Happy holidays to everyone! northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:01:07 -0800 From: Pat Quilter Subject: MtMan-List: Christmas Greetings As I prepare to leave the office for a holiday break, I am minded of the old quotation about returning to the prairie, the streams, the woods, the game, and the company of good honest men and women. May all of you who have gathered around this phosphorous fire enjoy a great Christmas and a prosperous New Year. Pat Quilter. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 1999 19:15:39 -0800 From: Buck Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request Here's what we have used for years, original recipe was written in 1830's, passed down before then and later recorded, modified for modern process in the 1930's. __________________________________________________________ Lenape Pemmican (makes 1 1/2 lbs) (5) oz. of chipped beef, (1) 6 1/2 oz. of roasted peanuts, (1) cup of seedless raisins, (1) 8 oz. bar of beef suet, make a quick trail lunch / high energy. Dry beef on a cookie sheet for 20 minutes @ 140 degree oven, chop nuts and raisins up into small pieces, melt suet in a large skillet - low heat. Combine dry ingredients in a mixing bowl (beef cut in 1/4” shreds), add melted suet - mix thoroughly. Spread mixture in half inch layer in shallow pan, refrigerate until the layer is hard and then slice into squares. Wrapped in foil, bars stay clean and fresh, will keep for a year in freezer. This was rewritten in the 1930’s for use in a hunting camp in Pennsylvania, the original 1840’s recipe has been lost in the passage of time. L.N.Conner,Jr.,Milroy,Pa.,1937 __________________________________________ Later, Buck Conner _________________________________ Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html _________________________________ Aux Ailments de Pays! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:27:44 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: HAPPY HOLIDAYS From our home to yours, regardless of your religous beliefs, Mouse and I want to wish all of you, the HAPPIEST OF HOLIDAYS, and a safe and wonderful New Year. Tomorrow morning, may you all find your stockings, hung so carefully by the fire, be filled with all of the BP possibles you ever wanted :) (Notice I did not say NEED here... *grins* ) Addison and Vicki Miller aka SeanBear and Lil Mouse - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 07:54:14 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico It's always a nice thing to hear when someone enjoys a New Mexico experience -- I grew up in the southeastern part of the state (Hobbs) and even though I choose to stay in Colorado, I still love discovering interesting NM spots. The description of your journey took me back to some nice memories of my own. And, come February, I'll be in Las Vegas, Taos and Santa Fe with a group of nice folks. Can't wait!!! Denise northwoods wrote: > Week before last I found myself in the situation of having to travel to > Albuquerque, N.M. where for 4 days I had nothing better to do but keep out > of trouble. First thing I did upon arrival was to rent a SUV and go to a > local bookstore where I purchased a copy of a DeLorme atlas and gazeteer of > New Mexico. That evening in my motel room I got a chance to look it over, > (while enjoying a carryout meal of assorted mexican food with extra green > chiles!), and made a game plan. > The first day I headed north up towards Santa Fe. Spent some time in town > and got a chance to see the old town, in particular the old Spanish > buildings including the palace of the governors. The day I was there some > local native Americans had a winter market where they had many items for > sale in the old square. I purchased a few things from some interesting > looking folks and then headed back south, but I took the long way back to > the east of the Sandia Mountains. Very pretty country. > The next day I headed South down to Las Cruces. I headed into the back > country around Truth or Consequences because there was a large reservoir on > the Rio Grande that I thought would be an interesting place to explore. Took > about a 3 hour walk after I reached a spot which was as far as I could go > with the chevy tahoe. I found some very interesting geological formations > wich had been washed out by a high water period. They were like thousands of > golf ball sized balls stuk together and made out of stone. This was near the > "trinity site" where the first atomic explosion occurred on the White Sands > missile range. Being born and raised in WI this country seems very alien to > me. But very interesting. I once poked around in a pack rats nest trying to > get a closer look and found a shed skin from a snake which must have > measured 6' or so feet long. Important lesson learned: do not poke around in > pack rats nests and watch out for big snakes. Actually I think it was to > cold for them to be active, but not being familiar with these sort of things > I tried to be better safe that sorry. > The next day I headed West and went to the El Morro national monument. I > think this was the highlight of the trip for me. Hundreds of signatures > carved into a sandstone rock outcropping that was near a reliable source of > water. The oldest dating back to 1609. On the top of the mesa there was a > partially excavated Zuni puelbo that had an estimated 875 rooms. The vista > when standing on top of the highest point near the pueblo was spectacular. I > must have stood there for 30 minutes surveying the surrounding lanscape. > Funny thing was I swear I had been there before. > The final day I hit all of the local used bookstores in Albuquerque and I > found two notable items. The first was the origanal report written by > Jackson W. Moore entitled The Archeology of Bent's Old Fort. This is the > original typed report with all of the original photos taped in of the > archeological investigations that were done in 1967. This information was > later published into a book entitled The Archeology of Bent's Old Fort. It > has quite a bit of info that is not contained in the book and the assortment > of photos of items that had been excavated are very interesting. The other > item was a book entitled Cities of Gold by a fella named Douglas Preston. It > chronicles his journey on horseback to retrace the trail taken by Coronado > and his army across 1000 miles of desert and mountains. I am 3 days into it > and have to say it is a great book. Anyone interested in the history of this > region or adventure in general would love this book. > All in all it was an interesting diversion from my present situation which > requires me to work out of doors every day, and the temperature has been > quite cold lately. It was -10 this morning and calm, but I swear as I get > older -10 gets to feel colder and colder. > > Happy holidays to everyone! > northwoods > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:48:27 GMT From: "John Dearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican Recipe Request Lenape Pemmican (makes 1 1/2 lbs) > >Combine dry ingredients in a mixing bowl (beef cut in 1/4” shreds), add >melted suet - mix thoroughly. Spread mixture in half inch layer in shallow >pan, refrigerate until the layer is hard and then slice into squares. > > Wrapped in foil, bars stay clean and fresh, will keep for a year >in >freezer. It's my impression that pemmican was a cold weather survival food, and not used in the southern regions of this country. It's also my impression that improperly made pemmican can be really bad stuff to eat, but once in a while someone will make some good tasting pemmican. Notice I said these are merely my impressions. I have never made or eaten pemmican. Ain't been that hungry yet. ;-) J.D. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:23:45 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico Northwoods--- the next time you plan to go out let me know offline---I might give you some neet points of interest in the area---been in the area climbing a bunch of ruins---neat places--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 16:42:36 -0800 From: R Lahti Subject: MtMan-List: Christmas Eve 'Tis the night before Christmas and all through our house, not a creature is stirring not even the mouse, not even those pesky squirrels! Thank you all for the gift of your knowledge and friendship this past year. I am blessed. Merry Christmas and a Happy and prosperous New Year. God Bless Us, Every One! I remain...... Your most humble and obedient servant Captain Roger Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 20:25:54 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico Hawk, The southwest sure does have a lot of neat places. I plan on going back but don't know when. I will take you up on your offer to suggest some places to explore. Thanks... This year I was really blessed. I got to see the Rockys from the Canadian border all the way down to El Morro National monument which is on the continental divide almost to the Mexican border. The diversity and the beauty of the natural wonders of this country never cease to amaze me. When I get down to the southwest agin I would like to take at least a couple weeks and get into the back country. Unfortunately it's the one part of the country where I don't feel like I really know enough to just set out on some major exploring. Not by my lonesome anyway. Happy holidays! northwoods - -----Original Message----- From: hawknest4@juno.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, December 24, 1999 12:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico >Northwoods--- >the next time you plan to go out let me know offline---I might give you >some neet points of interest in the area---been in the area climbing a >bunch of ruins---neat places--- > > "HAWK" >Michael Pierce >854 Glenfield Dr. >Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 >e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:31:41 EST From: michael pierce Subject: Re: MtMan-List: exploring New Mexico northwoods: a neet place to stay in new mexico is north od albequerky about a hr drive---called Ohi Calentie (MIS-Spelled) one of geronimo northern hideouts--has hot water springs--camping area and a hotel---the restrant in the hotel is vegitarian---so will have to go up to town for meat as we do---good mexican food in the village in little hole in the wall places---also about 45 min north of albequirke is a large flee market---lots of neet stuff if you like history and the southwest---lots of silver stuff so take lots of money---good pots---(indian)---if you go to the grand canyon---my niece is the back country ranger takes her 8 hrs to walk to work and then she stays 7 days there---if anyone in the canyon has problems she's the one that goes to get them--- west of tres podras is a neet place to camp ---and awsome elk hunting---if you are going to be in arazona can also give you several places where there are anasazi ruins are and the maps you will need to have to locate--- i loce it in that area--nuff said i can roll on forever about that area of the world--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr Palm harbor, florida 34684 E-mail: Hawknest4@juno.com web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 1999 08:20:46 -0800 From: Buck Subject: MtMan-List: Sheep skins that need help. [OFF TOPIC] Help needed. Seems to be a little slow on the hist_list right now, enclosed is part of a letter I received, this young lady has a problem with several sheep hides and needs some suggestions on how to save them. Any ideas, I contacted the Denver Natural Histroy Museum, but haven't heard back with the Holidays, etc., (these hides have the wool on them), we have covered brain tan to commerical, so someone should have an idea on restoring life to old/new hides that are stiff I would think. Thanks. Buck ________________________________________________________ Dear Mr. Conner, I would appreciate it very much if I could get some information on how to restore some sheepskin pelts that my Sister-In-Law WASHED AND DRIED in her machines!!! They are still in one piece, but the leather is dried out and brittle. I had heard of a way that the Cree used to restore hides and leather products using fats/or lanolin with cornmeal and rubbing it briskly with a rolling pin.... Hopefully, this method makes sense to you? I do have lots of lanolin as I make my own soaps and I definitely would like to see these skins restored for her, but I would prefer to try to do it myself. I was thinking that maybe if I could slowly steam some moisture back into the hide until it was more supple, then I could work in the lanolin to help retain some of the moisture after the hide dried. I have read some of the old pioneering techniques on tanning hides, but there is very little out there other than people trying to sell me their miracle chemicals for a fortune! That is definitely not for me, I do not buy from the internet as I cannot actually see and smell the products offered, and I am tired of these "miracle" products when there are more natural methods that work so much better! Could you please forward me any information you might have gathered? ________________________________________________________ Later, Buck Conner _________________________________ Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html _________________________________ Aux Ailments de Pays! 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