From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #467 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, February 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 467 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       MtMan-List: off topic -       Re: MtMan-List: red river carts -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: Period Bibles. -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes -       MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette -       Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:54:36 -0700 From: Vic Barkin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes John and Bill, Thanks for the info. I agree with the dry heat and green bending of wood principals. The use of dry heat for bows has long been the accepted fashion for them, just didn't consider it practical for snowshoes. Bows are usually 1/4 to 3/8 inches at the bend and the width adds the strength. bending is along the horizontal axis only. Of course using those same dimentions on snowshoes would be rediculous. Shaped staves by drawknife and spokeshave such as I have made are about 3/4 inches square at the body and 1/2 inches at the bent tips. The bends are not only along the horizontal axis, but also the verticle to give them the lifted tip, so bending is in two directions. I just can't picture dry heat being able to handle that without the grain splitting out. Using green staves is a definite possibility. My partner Candoo made some out of 1 1/2" aspen branches. Heavy, but they worked...sort of, but that's another story. Laminated wood, I agree is not new, and thanks for the education on that one John. I've never seen any snowshoes newer than 50 years that used laminated wood, not that they didn't exist. The snowshoes I made are loosly copied from Catlin's "Snowshoe Dance" which pictures both Ojibwa and Michigan styles with what appear to be squared staves, not branches and definitely not laminated. As to Ash wood, I had a cabinet maker friend, when preparing his stock, and when practical, trim off the straightest grain edges he could find for me. I have enough for two or three more pairs going about it that way. Some ash, some maple. Vic Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin AMM #1537 Three Rivers Party - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:36:07 -0400 From: Bob Spencer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes >Spar varnish is no more nor less than a made up name to describe some >manufacturer's exterior varnish. It has become a generic name that means >NOTHING. I was always under the impression that it referred to the masts, booms, etc. on ships and boats, which are called spars, and that it was a good quality exterior varnish appropriate to use on them. Is that not right? Bob Bob Spencer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:09:53 -0800 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes Heat will work - and work well. You just have to be careful not to burn the wood. If the wood has any knots, even tiny ones, it does tend to blow out when bending if you don't have it hot enough. You can also cut a 6" steel pipe open, plug the ends, and boil the things. This generally avoids blowouts, but you only have about two minutes to work it. The dimensions will be about 3/4 inch in the center, tapering to 1/2 inch at the ends. Makes them nice and light and workable. Bill - -----Original Message----- From: Vic Barkin To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:57 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes >John and Bill, > >Thanks for the info. I agree with the dry heat and green bending of wood >principals. The use of dry heat for bows has long been the accepted fashion >for them, just didn't consider it practical for snowshoes. > >Bows are usually 1/4 to 3/8 inches at the bend and the width adds the >strength. bending is along the horizontal axis only. > >Of course using those same dimentions on snowshoes would be rediculous. >Shaped staves by drawknife and spokeshave such as I have made are about 3/4 >inches square at the body and 1/2 inches at the bent tips. The bends are >not only along the horizontal axis, but also the verticle to give them the >lifted tip, so bending is in two directions. I just can't picture dry heat >being able to handle that without the grain splitting out. > >Using green staves is a definite possibility. My partner Candoo made some >out of 1 1/2" aspen branches. Heavy, but they worked...sort of, but that's >another story. > >Laminated wood, I agree is not new, and thanks for the education on that >one John. I've never seen any snowshoes newer than 50 years that used >laminated wood, not that they didn't exist. The snowshoes I made are loosly >copied from Catlin's "Snowshoe Dance" which pictures both Ojibwa and >Michigan styles with what appear to be squared staves, not branches and >definitely not laminated. > >As to Ash wood, I had a cabinet maker friend, when preparing his stock, and >when practical, trim off the straightest grain edges he could find for me. >I have enough for two or three more pairs going about it that way. Some >ash, some maple. > >Vic > > > >Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin >AMM #1537 >Three Rivers Party > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:36:21 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes Vic, If you are working with kiln dried sawn wood you may have a problem. Steam may be your only choice if you use the ash. Using wood native to the area of use is always correct. Scrub oak, or mountain mahogany would be the best Rocky Mountain area choices. Choke cherry would work or red river birch wouldn't be too bad, fir would make acceptable snowshoes. Aspen would be near to my last choice along with cottonwood. I suspect more people made their own in the mountains from native wood than were brought in from areas growing ash, hickory and other hardwoods we consider the best to use today. Snowshoes (like bows) should be made of riven wood with full length grain running through the split. Dry heat bending is not a problem even in larger sizes. Use the maple for cross pieces. Mortise and tenon for strength. John... At 07:54 AM 2/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >John and Bill, > >Thanks for the info. I agree with the dry heat and green bending of wood >principals. The use of dry heat for bows has long been the accepted fashion >for them, just didn't consider it practical for snowshoes. > >Bows are usually 1/4 to 3/8 inches at the bend and the width adds the >strength. bending is along the horizontal axis only. > >Of course using those same dimentions on snowshoes would be rediculous. >Shaped staves by drawknife and spokeshave such as I have made are about 3/4 >inches square at the body and 1/2 inches at the bent tips. The bends are >not only along the horizontal axis, but also the verticle to give them the >lifted tip, so bending is in two directions. I just can't picture dry heat >being able to handle that without the grain splitting out. > >Using green staves is a definite possibility. My partner Candoo made some >out of 1 1/2" aspen branches. Heavy, but they worked...sort of, but that's >another story. > >Laminated wood, I agree is not new, and thanks for the education on that >one John. I've never seen any snowshoes newer than 50 years that used >laminated wood, not that they didn't exist. The snowshoes I made are loosly >copied from Catlin's "Snowshoe Dance" which pictures both Ojibwa and >Michigan styles with what appear to be squared staves, not branches and >definitely not laminated. > >As to Ash wood, I had a cabinet maker friend, when preparing his stock, and >when practical, trim off the straightest grain edges he could find for me. >I have enough for two or three more pairs going about it that way. Some >ash, some maple. > >Vic > > > >Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin >AMM #1537 >Three Rivers Party > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:52:43 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes That has been the allusion over the past several years. Old references to "spar" varnish don't exist. John... At 11:36 AM 2/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Spar varnish is no more nor less than a made up name to describe some >>manufacturer's exterior varnish.=A0 It has become a generic name that= means >>NOTHING. > >I was always under the impression that it referred to the masts, booms, >etc. on ships and boats, which are called spars, and that it was a good >quality exterior varnish appropriate to use on them. Is that not right? > >Bob > >Bob Spencer > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:58:11 -0400 From: Bob Spencer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes >That has been the allusion over the past several years. Old references to >"spar" varnish don't exist. I didn't mean to imply that it was used on spars in our period of interest. I know that wasn't the case. I know from personal experience, though, that it's been used that way for the last 50 years, or so. Bob Bob Spencer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:11:15 -0700 From: Vic Barkin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes Thanks John, Maybe for my next pair I will try local wood, rive it and try the dry heat bending. Although I am satisfied the ones I made are period, I will admit they would have been the type that were "manufactured" east of the Shining Mountains (aside from the sawn kiln dried staves) and not a product that would have been made "in the field". Always some new project on the horizon eh? Vic >Vic, > >If you are working with kiln dried sawn wood you may have a problem. Steam >may >be your only choice if you use the ash. > >Using wood native to the area of use is always correct. Scrub oak, or >mountain >mahogany would be the best Rocky Mountain area choices. Choke cherry would >work or red river birch wouldn't be too bad, fir would make acceptable >snowshoes. Aspen would be near to my last choice along with cottonwood. > >I suspect more people made their own in the mountains from native wood than >were brought in from areas growing ash, hickory and other hardwoods we >consider >the best to use today. > >Snowshoes (like bows) should be made of riven wood with full length grain >running through the split. Dry heat bending is not a problem even in larger >sizes. Use the maple for cross pieces. Mortise and tenon for strength. > >John... > >At 07:54 AM 2/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >>John and Bill, >> >>Thanks for the info. I agree with the dry heat and green bending of wood >>principals. The use of dry heat for bows has long been the accepted fashion >>for them, just didn't consider it practical for snowshoes. >> >>Bows are usually 1/4 to 3/8 inches at the bend and the width adds the >>strength. bending is along the horizontal axis only. >> >>Of course using those same dimentions on snowshoes would be rediculous. >>Shaped staves by drawknife and spokeshave such as I have made are about 3/4 >>inches square at the body and 1/2 inches at the bent tips. The bends are >>not only along the horizontal axis, but also the verticle to give them the >>lifted tip, so bending is in two directions. I just can't picture dry heat >>being able to handle that without the grain splitting out. >> >>Using green staves is a definite possibility. My partner Candoo made some >>out of 1 1/2" aspen branches. Heavy, but they worked...sort of, but that's >>another story. >> >>Laminated wood, I agree is not new, and thanks for the education on that >>one John. I've never seen any snowshoes newer than 50 years that used >>laminated wood, not that they didn't exist. The snowshoes I made are loosly >>copied from Catlin's "Snowshoe Dance" which pictures both Ojibwa and >>Michigan styles with what appear to be squared staves, not branches and >>definitely not laminated. >> >>As to Ash wood, I had a cabinet maker friend, when preparing his stock, and >>when practical, trim off the straightest grain edges he could find for me. >>I have enough for two or three more pairs going about it that way. Some >>ash, some maple. >> >>Vic >> >> >> >>Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin >>AMM #1537 >>Three Rivers Party >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/ >~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. >John Kramer > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Vic Nathan Barkin CGCM Printing and Reproduction Services Manager Northern Arizona University Office of Public Affairs and Marketing Creative Communications Department Box 4101, Flagstaff, Az 86011 ph. 520-523-6160 fax 520 523-5060 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:47:25 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes Hello around the fire, I learned to snowshoe 35 years ago in Alaska. My snowshoeing experience in and around Chisana served me well for another 15 years hunting in Montana. As mentioned the first problem I learned to deal with was the weight in relation to the snow. Mainly where I was at in Alaska and here in Montana we deal with dry snow conditions. In both places I perfered the long trail shoes. I found out that I needed a pair of shoes as tall as I was in order to carry my weight about 160 pounds then plus the 40 pounds of gear that I carried on extended hunts on snow shoes. The last elk packed out in quarters was in snow more than 5 feet deep on the level. The hind quarter I carried weighed 137 pounds with the hide off. Big shoes are needed for this work. When I returned from Alaska in the mid 60s I relocated in Great Falls, Montana. I picked that place so I could hunt the Eastern Front Range of the Rockies. One spot I used snowshoes at was on the big ridged between the Orginal Lewis and Clark Pass and the highway. When there is no snow you can come around and go up Alice Creek. I use snow shoes and went by the way of Green Mountain. Once up on top I could take the snow shoes off and hunt on the wind blown flats on top of the long wide grassy ridge. I hunted there for 3 years before I looked for easier hunting grounds. Badgerhole Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:53:16 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: MtMan-List: off topic Please ignore this send/transmit test. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:49:21 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: red river carts Lanney....thanks for the pictures! It took me a while do download in the MIME format, but well worth the wait. Who's that rascal driving? ....think I've spotted him in the post office pics...... Those are beautiful carts! The only thing I see that may differ is the wheels on the cart in Calgary were much bigger...like over 6 foot high and of course the cart was big too. Angela Gottfred pointed out that the one I saw was actually a reproduction. I gather though, they did come in most all shapes and sizes, very large wheels, and being held together with only wood pegs and buffalo raw hide... .....gotta have one! Thanks. Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:08:12 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes Vic, yep, I calculated it up one day and figure I'll get most of the projects I have in mind done if I only live 4000 years. John... At 12:11 PM 2/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks John, > >Maybe for my next pair I will try local wood, rive it and try the dry heat >bending. Although I am satisfied the ones I made are period, I will admit >they would have been the type that were "manufactured" east of the Shining >Mountains (aside from the sawn kiln dried staves) and not a product that >would have been made "in the field". Always some new project on the horizon >eh? > >Vic > >>Vic, >> >>If you are working with kiln dried sawn wood you may have a problem.=A0= Steam >>may >>be your only choice if you use the ash. >> >>Using wood native to the area of use is always correct.=A0 Scrub oak, or >>mountain >>mahogany would be the best Rocky Mountain area choices.=A0 Choke cherry= would >>work or red river birch wouldn't be too bad, fir would make acceptable >>snowshoes.=A0 Aspen would be near to my last choice along with cottonwood. >> >>I suspect more people made their own in the mountains from native wood= than >>were brought in from areas growing ash, hickory and other hardwoods we >>consider >>the best to use today. >> >>Snowshoes (like bows) should be made of riven wood with full length grain >>running through the split.=A0 Dry heat bending is not a problem even in= larger >>sizes.=A0 Use the maple for cross pieces.=A0 Mortise and tenon for= strength. >> >>John... >> >>At 07:54 AM 2/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >>>John and Bill, >>> >>>Thanks for the info. I agree with the dry heat and green bending of wood >>>principals. The use of dry heat for bows has long been the accepted= fashion >>>for them, just didn't consider it practical for snowshoes. >>> >>>Bows are usually 1/4 to 3/8 inches at the bend and the width adds the >>>strength. bending is along the horizontal axis only. >>> >>>Of course using those same dimentions on snowshoes would be rediculous. >>>Shaped staves by drawknife and spokeshave such as I have made are about= 3/4 >>>inches square at the body and 1/2 inches at the bent tips. The bends are >>>not only along the horizontal axis, but also the verticle to give them= the >>>lifted tip, so bending is in two directions. I just can't picture dry= heat >>>being able to handle that without the grain splitting out. >>> >>>Using green staves is a definite possibility. My partner Candoo made some >>>out of 1 1/2" aspen branches. Heavy, but they worked...sort of, but= that's >>>another story. >>> >>>Laminated wood, I agree is not new, and thanks for the education on that >>>one John. I've never seen any snowshoes newer than 50 years that used >>>laminated wood, not that they didn't exist. The snowshoes I made are= loosly >>>copied from Catlin's "Snowshoe Dance" which pictures both Ojibwa and >>>Michigan styles with what appear to be squared staves, not branches and >>>definitely not laminated. >>> >>>As to Ash wood, I had a cabinet maker friend, when preparing his stock,= and >>>when practical, trim off the straightest grain edges he could find for= me. >>>I have enough for two or three more pairs going about it that way. Some >>>ash, some maple. >>> >>>Vic >>> >>> >>> >>>Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin >>>AMM #1537 >>>Three Rivers Party >>> >>>---------------------- >>>hist_text list info: >><http://www.xmission. com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html>http://www.xmissio n.com/ >>~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >>Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. >>John Kramer=A0 >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >Vic Nathan Barkin CGCM >Printing and Reproduction Services Manager >Northern Arizona University >Office of Public Affairs and Marketing >Creative Communications Department >Box 4101, Flagstaff, Az 86011 >ph. 520-523-6160=A0=A0 fax 520 523-5060 > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:23:30 -0800 From: "jdearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Bibles. > > > Does anyone know where I can get a modern copy of a period bible? Thanks > > for any help you can provide. > > The 1611 version of the King James Bible, used by Prodestants of the period, is still avalable from some Christian Book Stores. 1611 was the year the Bible was first published. The Cathoics used the Douay-Rheims Version. The English College of Douay, France published the New Testament at Rheims in 1582. The College published the Old Testament at Douay in 1609. The 1752 revision by Bishop Challoner remained the de facto standard Catholic version until the 1950's. Delea Sayers 5501 Heathercrest Arlington Tx. 76018 (817)464-9570 dsayers@trendoffset.com can reemove thee modern cover and bind your Bible in leather, or he may be able to supply you with a rebound Bible. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:34:30 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) In a message dated 2/15/00 5:01:21 AM, lnewbill@uidaho.edu writes: << I do not regret the four blankets I packed in.... >> Lee.... The 4 blankets you used, were they all wool 4 point and did you use anything other than the fir boughs to sleep on? I would have thought 2 blankets would have been enough.... if you had mebbe a sheep hide to sleep on. Sure makes for a long night huggin a burning log to stay warm.... Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > Lee.... The 4 blankets you used, were they all wool 4 point and did you use > anything other than the fir boughs to sleep on? Hallo Steve My bedroll consisted of two four point whitney blankets, a surplus east german army blanket, and an old, thin US army blanket (all 100% wool) .... the whole thing wrapped in a 10x10 heavy canvas tarp. The blankets were folded once down the long axis, so I (theoretically) slept on four layers and the fir boughs, and had four layers on top... I say theoretically, because the smaller german blanket bunched up and didna do much good, so it wound up underneath... had I taken a hair-on robe of sheep, buffalo, bear or what have you, I could have probably tossed two of the blankets since my main concern was keeping the ground chill off. Could have cut more boughs to sleep on too, and that would have helped. Another thing that would have helped would have been to secure the blankets together somehow at the folded edge, or maybe to fold the blankets into three folds as mentioned by someone else... every now and then I would move and open that bloody fold, and the cold would rush in. Cliff brought a mat of cattails to sleep on, on top of the boughs. He used only two blankets and a canvas cover (If I remember rightly). Judging by his snoring, I would say he slept well Course, he did sleep with his feet dang near in the fire, so that might help too. Something else that occured to me long after I had crawled into my robes... was digging out a small depression in the snow for my hips. This was something I didna think of until the stars were far overhead. I did bash a depression in the snow later through the blankets and boughs, and that helped a lot as it lets the body relax into a natural contour. It's not something you notice right away, but becomes more important after you've lain there for a while. > Sure makes for a long night huggin a burning log to stay warm.... Been there, done that. That's why I overpacked this time. Still working all the different angles on this... learning all the time. Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:30:22 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) In a message dated 2/17/00 2:59:50 AM, lnewbill@uidaho.edu writes: << the whole thing wrapped in a 10x10 heavy canvas tarp. >> Sounds like a kinda cold night! Did you use the 10X10 trap as a ground cloth or for your shelter? The coldest I've been, other than fallin through the ice, has been when the ground draws the heat from you.....warm on top, freezin on the bottom! You could hear ya pores slam shut every time ya rolled overrrr...... Tell us what size and style your snow shoes were.....and just how "round" you are. I used the "Alaskan" model, in Alaska (duh), for years in kinda deep snow, in kinda open country, and liked them but understand they are not quite "period"....and I'm rather round. I need something else when I talk Capt Lahti into takin me on a wander... Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:56:20 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt (somewhat windy) Hi Lee, I'd suggest one, or two, of those Celtic pins for keeping your blakets in place and together. These pins can be had through Jas. Townsend, and many other suppliers. I use a 6 point Whitney, I fold the bottom edge up a foot and pin in place. This provides extra coverage on my feet. I learned a neat trick after a cold night. I noticed one fellow seemed pretty chipper after a cold night in the Sierras. Then I remembered he kept fooling with these rocks in the fire the night before. I asked him about it. As it turns out, he was heating rocks (about football size, more or less) in the fire. Then he would roll them out before bedtime to let them cool enough not to burn him or his blankets. He'd slip the warm rocks into linen sacks and put one near the foot of his bedroll, and one in the middle. After they had been there awhile he crawled in. As the night progressed he'd check the rocks, and kick them out of the way when they had cooled. I tried this the next night. What a difference this made. The first night my feet hurt so bad, due to the cold. After sleeping with warm rocks, I woke up in the morning perfectly comfortable. After this trip I ordered the 6 pt. blanket. I'm 6'2", and in the cold of night when I pull blankets over my head, my feet stick out of the 4 pt. blanket. Hope this helps. hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:37:47 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes - -----Original Message----- From: John Kramer To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: February 16, 2000 1:50 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes > You can carry a little dry flake and cut >it with cheap rot gut whiskey in a real emergency. As far as shellac flakes go, I got a catalog yesterday that lists button, garnet, lemon, orange, and blonde de-waxed for sale. It doesn't give any description other than that. I was wondering what the difference is between them if there are any. The blonde de-waxed is 16.95$ and the rest are 13.95$ a pound. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:04:56 EST From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette Gentlemen: Do you think it would be proper for a woman to sign her post YMOS Or is the phrase genderspecific? If so, what would you suggest? ("Humbly", is out of the question.) Laura Glise Wind1838@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:15:10 -0700 From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette Laura, It's generally the male of the species that puts their "sign" on a post! But hey, it's a free country so put your sign wherever you like. Just make sure some big hairy critter ain't signing the post at the same time! ; ) Todd Glover ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:21:04 -0500 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette Gentlemen?? Where? Haven't seen any of them around these parts in ages! I see no reason why "YMOS" from a female would be improper, in fact, I kinda like it. Tom Published yet???? Wind1838@aol.com wrote: > Gentlemen: > > Do you think it would be proper for a woman to sign her post > > YMOS > > Or is the phrase genderspecific? If so, what would you suggest? ("Humbly", is out of the question.) > > Laura Glise > Wind1838@aol.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:56:45 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Proper etiquette In a message dated 2/17/00 5:07:00 PM, Wind1838@aol.com writes: << Or is the phrase genderspecific? If so, what would you suggest? ("Humbly", is out of the question.) >> Angela Gottfred ends her post with the following and I believe she's quite up on the proper etiquette.... <<<<>>>> Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:53:59 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes Button lac is the crudest form of shellac available in the country today. = All of the others describe various levels of refinement where the natural wax= and resin is removed a little at a time. Super blonde, white or clear (all about the same thing) are not very useful.= =20 They are mostly used as "confectioners glaze" and sprayed on candy to make= it shiny. I usually prefer button lac which must be strained through cheesecloth= before use to remove body hairs and bug parts. =20 Want to know more? Once in solution it has a shelf life of about one week= for most cabinetmaker purposes. Remember only the finest candy is made with real shellac, real bug poop. = Just like only the finest perfume is made with real whale puke. John... At 04:37 PM 2/17/00 -0600, you wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Kramer >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: February 16, 2000 1:50 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Short Winter's Jaunt- snowshoes > > >> You can carry a little dry flake and cut >>it with cheap rot gut whiskey in a real emergency. > >As far as shellac flakes go, I got a catalog yesterday that lists button, >garnet, lemon, orange, and blonde de-waxed for sale. It doesn't give any >description other than that. I was wondering what the difference is between >them if there are any. The blonde de-waxed is 16.95$ and the rest are= 13.95$ >a pound. > >northwoods > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: =20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #467 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.