From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #497 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, March 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 497 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. -       MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes -       Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants -       MtMan-List: beaver trap prices -       Re: MtMan-List: beaver trap prices -       MtMan-List: Saddle Soap -       Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants -       Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses -       Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. -       Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. -       Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. -       MtMan-List: Advice to a beginner -       MtMan-List: HappyTime.exe and kak.htm virus -       MtMan-List: Search -       Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. -       Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. -       Re: MtMan-List: Search ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:36:59 -0800 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. It is still possible to get vegetable tanned - pricey, but available. Joe Brandl could probably give a source if he doesn't have it himself. Bill - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Lahti To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. >Bill, > >Thanks for the support. I agree with your addition just wasn't sure what to >suggest as an alternative to BT that is available today. >What kind of factory tanned leather are you referring to? Might as well give >Matt our best. I remain..... > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:30:04 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF8D97.E0CD6B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since I was passing near Eagle Feather Trading Post on my way to visit = my wife and newborn twin sons, I stopped in to do a little investigating = fer Chance. Sorry, the lady who runs the place said that this book had = been out of print (sounds familiar) for about fifteen years and she did = not know where to get one from. They have a lot of books that start = "Primitive Indian...." so it must have been one of these that Ole saw. = It was a hot trail that just went cold. YMOS WYnn - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF8D97.E0CD6B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Since I was passing near Eagle Feather Trading Post on my way to = visit my=20 wife and newborn twin sons, I stopped in to do a little investigating = fer=20 Chance. Sorry, the lady who runs the place said that this book had been = out of=20 print (sounds familiar) for about fifteen years and she did not know = where to=20 get one from. They have a lot of books that start "Primitive Indian...." = so it=20 must have been one of these that Ole saw. It was a hot trail that just = went=20 cold.

YMOS

WYnn

- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF8D97.E0CD6B00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:43:49 -0800 From: "Hill" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3035911429_32164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit percussion tubes (I have been told) are now called "nipples" - ---------- From: "Steven Lester" To: "mtman list" Subject: MtMan-List: percussion tubes Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2000, 11:56 PM Excuse me for barging in, but I've been lurking around the list for a while tryin' to learn something about anything! My name is Steve Lester and I live in the Nevada desert country. I 'm new to buckskinin' and muzzleloading and participated in my first shoot this past weekend and truly enjoyed myself and the good people at Eagle Valley Muzzleloaders. While reading Osborne Russells " Journal of A Trapper" I read about him having to cut a hunt short because his partner blew out a percussion tube and they had to return to camp to make a new one. Im curious about how the tubes were made! - --MS_Mac_OE_3035911429_32164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes percussion tubes (I have been told) are now called "nipples"
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From: "Steven Lester" <stevyn@oasisol.com>
To: "mtman list" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: percussion tubes
Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2000, 11:56 PM


Excuse me for barging in, but I've been lurking = around the list for a while tryin' to learn something about anything! My nam= e is Steve Lester and I live in the Nevada desert country. I 'm new to bucks= kinin' and muzzleloading and participated in my first shoot this past weeken= d and truly enjoyed myself and the good people at Eagle Valley Muzzleloaders= .
  While reading Osborne Russells " Journal of A Trapper"= ;  I read about him having to cut a hunt short be= cause his partner blew out a percussion tube and they had to return to camp = to make a new one. Im curious about how the tubes were made!

- --MS_Mac_OE_3035911429_32164_MIME_Part-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:44:59 -0800 From: "Hill" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3035911499_36372_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Forgot one thing i am also new and have been shooting with a club for about a year or so I am with the Spring Mountain Free Trappers in and around Las Vegas country - ---------- From: "Steven Lester" To: "mtman list" Subject: MtMan-List: percussion tubes Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2000, 11:56 PM Excuse me for barging in, but I've been lurking around the list for a while tryin' to learn something about anything! My name is Steve Lester and I live in the Nevada desert country. I 'm new to buckskinin' and muzzleloading and participated in my first shoot this past weekend and truly enjoyed myself and the good people at Eagle Valley Muzzleloaders. While reading Osborne Russells " Journal of A Trapper" I read about him having to cut a hunt short because his partner blew out a percussion tube and they had to return to camp to make a new one. Im curious about how the tubes were made! - --MS_Mac_OE_3035911499_36372_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: percussion tubes Forgot one thing
i am also new and have been shooting with a club for about a year or so I a= m with the Spring Mountain Free Trappers in and around Las Vegas country
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From: "Steven Lester" <stevyn@oasisol.com>
To: "mtman list" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: percussion tubes
Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2000, 11:56 PM


Excuse me for barging in, but I've been lurking = around the list for a while tryin' to learn something about anything! My nam= e is Steve Lester and I live in the Nevada desert country. I 'm new to bucks= kinin' and muzzleloading and participated in my first shoot this past weeken= d and truly enjoyed myself and the good people at Eagle Valley Muzzleloaders= .
  While reading Osborne Russells " Journal of A Trapper"= ;  I read about him having to cut a hunt short be= cause his partner blew out a percussion tube and they had to return to camp = to make a new one. Im curious about how the tubes were made!

- --MS_Mac_OE_3035911499_36372_MIME_Part-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:47:15 -0800 From: "Hill" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants What I want to know is...why would you put pants on an Elk? - ---------- >From: delis@aztec.asu.edu (BRUCE S. DE LIS) >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Elk Pants >Date: Tue, Mar 14, 2000, 12:35 PM > > > >Have a pair of Elk Hide Pants/Trouser >that no longer fit due to weight reduction. > >Would like to sell. E-mail me off list for details > > >@ > >delis@aztec.asu.edu > >-- >A.K.A. Penny Pincher > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:45:02 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: beaver trap prices This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF8E17.B2C65E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In Dean's web site Mountain Man and the Fur Trade you will find the = following: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/artagree.html = which shows a price in the mountains of $9.00 each for traps http://www.pioneerpc.com/wildernessway/Pages/rendez.htm is an article = from The Wilderness Way magazine which indicates $1.50 each for traps at = the factory http://home.flash.net/~tinyt/otmemories2.html is a web page that says = traps cost $20 a dozen YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF8E17.B2C65E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In Dean's web site Mountain Man and the Fur Trade you will find the = following:  http://w= ww.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/artagree.html =20 which shows a price in the mountains of $9.00 each for traps
 
http://w= ww.pioneerpc.com/wildernessway/Pages/rendez.htm is an article from The Wilderness Way magazine which = indicates=20 $1.50 each for traps at the factory
 
http://home.flash.= net/~tinyt/otmemories2.html  is a web page that says traps cost $20 a = dozen
 
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
- ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF8E17.B2C65E80-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:04:19 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: beaver trap prices This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF8E1A.6455C620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dean's web page is a cinch to find. The other references were found by = going to the search engine Google http://www.google.com/ and initiating = a search for=20 "beaver traps St Louis" and striking the search key. Dozens of = references grouped pretty much by subject matter. This search engine is = the only one I use anymore and I urge everybody to try it. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ratcliff=20 To: History List=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: MtMan-List: beaver trap prices In Dean's web site Mountain Man and the Fur Trade you will find the = following: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/artagree.html = which shows a price in the mountains of $9.00 each for traps http://www.pioneerpc.com/wildernessway/Pages/rendez.htm is an article = from The Wilderness Way magazine which indicates $1.50 each for traps at = the factory http://home.flash.net/~tinyt/otmemories2.html is a web page that says = traps cost $20 a dozen YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF8E1A.6455C620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dean's web page is a cinch to find.  The other = references=20 were found by going to the search engine Google http://www.google.com/  and = initiating a=20 search for
"beaver traps St Louis" and striking the search = key. =20 Dozens of references grouped pretty much by subject matter.  This = search=20 engine is the only one I use anymore and I urge everybody to try=20 it.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ratcliff =
To: History List
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 = 12:45=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: beaver = trap=20 prices

In Dean's web site Mountain Man and the Fur Trade you will find = the=20 following:  http://w= ww.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/artagree.html =20 which shows a price in the mountains of $9.00 each for traps
 
http://w= ww.pioneerpc.com/wildernessway/Pages/rendez.htm is an article from The Wilderness Way magazine which = indicates=20 $1.50 each for traps at the factory
 
http://home.flash.= net/~tinyt/otmemories2.html  is a web page that says traps cost $20 a = dozen
 
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF8E1A.6455C620-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:17:46 -0000 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: MtMan-List: Saddle Soap Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition traces the first written use of the words 'saddle soap' back to 1889. >Hey Folks ! > How far back in history does Saddle Soap go ? >Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:48:22 -0700 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. Thanks Bill, We do carry quite a bit of leather, I suggest splits for leggins and full grain for pants. You could go with a commercial tanned braintan look. It is a cornmeal color and has been sueded on both sides. The hides smoke up quite well. Cost is more for the comm. braintan. Of turning grained deer skin inside out can work nice. You can smoke or dye the leather for a more aged look. Joe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:53:34 -0700 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk Pants It is a little known fact that Rocky Mtn Elk do wear pants in the wintertime to assist them in foraging for food on high wind blown slopes. During the summer months, a shorter version of knickers are worn. I've seen it for sure. hard to verify though as during hunting season, these pants are cached to avoid detection and any assocation of being human. Joe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:14:27 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses Excuse me for not remembering who, but someone was looking for a book on Primitive Indian Dresses, I'm not sure if this is it or not: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- 1. Fecteau, Susan/Vickie Zimmer Kuntz Primitive Indian Dresses - Leather Dress Styles & Decoration Cheyenne 1979 1st Ed 106pp, illus by author, stiff pict. wraps nice Well illustrated. Book # 07792 US$ 17.50 Click here for more information or to purchase this book directly from T A Swinford, Bookseller, AZ, U.S.A. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- The Seller: T A Swinford, Bookseller , 7134 Main Street , Scottsdale , AZ , U.S.A. , 85251 Phone 480 946 0022 / Fax 480 946 2679 , Email tasbooks@extremezone.com One heck of a great bibliographical reference can be had by asking to recieve a catalog from Mr. Swinford, he puts out four a year with at least a thousand or so titles in each, many many fur trade titles but not limited to that period. I have been a long time customer and if you ever get to Phoenix take time to stop in. It's in old town Scottsdale. Rite across the street is Guidon Books another great used/rare bookstore. In fact they have a website which I have handy: The Seller: www.guidon.com/mtnmen.html Check out the fur trade titles, they have many of the standard references plus some hard to find ones. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:25:37 PST From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive Indian Dresses Wynn, Thanks a million for trying to find the book. It seems more elusive than once thought. Several sites that were turned up by members of this list have turned out to be dead ends. The most recent one mentioned by Northwoods, lists the book, but when I called about it, the only copy they had was sold. I am still attempting to find the book, it is for my wife. After years of slouching in her authencticity, she was encouraged by people like Jean Heinbuck, and Jill, of this list to reach a new level in her standards. She hopes to copy a Shoshone dress and accoutrements, but sources of good info are scarce. I had a copy of Millers painting of the native girl swinging from a branch with nothing on but a skirt, and reccomended that particular sytle. I was met with some resistance though. Primitive Indian dresses, is the most reccomended work on this subject, and if it is half as good as it is made out to be, we should demand a re-print. Thanks again for everyones help in this matter!! > Cliff Tiffie PO Box 5089 Durant, OK 74702 580-924-4187 - --------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:53:36 -0800 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. Hey, I need some splits for arrow quivers. I also need some heavier leather, like latigo. Any prices? Thanks Bill - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brandl To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:49 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. >Thanks Bill, > >We do carry quite a bit of leather, I suggest splits for leggins and >full grain for pants. You could go with a commercial tanned braintan >look. It is a cornmeal color and has been sueded on both sides. The >hides smoke up quite well. Cost is more for the comm. braintan. Of >turning grained deer skin inside out can work nice. You can smoke or >dye the leather for a more aged look. >Joe > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:48:28 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. Matt, There is an imitation smoked braintan leather available from Fox Valley Leather in North Salt Lake City, Utah that look's good enough to fool most experts, I think you can get it in both elk and buckskin. They also have a pure white leather that looks a lot like brain taned leather. I use to purchase a lot of scraps for the Boy Scouts and they would give 15% off for Scouts on anything they sell. YMOS Ole - ---------- >From: "Roger Lahti" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. >Date: Tue, Mar 14, 2000, 6:10 PM > >Bill, > >Thanks for the support. I agree with your addition just wasn't sure what to >suggest as an alternative to BT that is available today. >What kind of factory tanned leather are you referring to? Might as well give >Matt our best. I remain..... > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:45:53 -0800 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. But I would abjure you to look closely at what Joe Brandl (his message posted earlier on this list) has to offer. Joe is extremely knowledgeable and will not sell anything that is not prime. You tell him what you are doing and he will match his products to your needs. I have used Fox Valley a lot in the past - with a variety of results ranging from great to Ugh! If Joe doesn't have exactly what you want he will tell you and even give you pointers on where it might be obtained, such as the excellent Spotted Pony Traders. Bill C - -----Original Message----- From: Ole B. Jensen To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 6:50 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. >Matt, >There is an imitation smoked braintan leather available from Fox Valley >Leather in North Salt Lake City, Utah that look's good enough to fool most >experts, I think you can get it in both elk and buckskin. They also have a >pure white leather that looks a lot like brain taned leather. I use to >purchase a lot of scraps for the Boy Scouts and they would give 15% off for >Scouts on anything they sell. >YMOS >Ole >---------- >>From: "Roger Lahti" >>To: >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. >>Date: Tue, Mar 14, 2000, 6:10 PM >> > >>Bill, >> >>Thanks for the support. I agree with your addition just wasn't sure what to >>suggest as an alternative to BT that is available today. >>What kind of factory tanned leather are you referring to? Might as well give >>Matt our best. I remain..... >> >>YMOS >>Capt. Lahti' >> >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:00:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Advice to a beginner Matt, the best advice I can give you is to be honest. Don't be afraid to ask questions and don't be afraid to share YOUR opinions[but not too strongly] If you appear to be making an honest effort to fit in you will in all likelyhood be accepted. Some of them people can sniff out a phony like an elk can sniff out hunters! Just be yourself and remember you can learn something from anyone-even another pilgrim. And others can learn from you as well. Book learning is wonderful, but experience is better. Good luck, and welcome to the camp. Dog, Gabe's Hole Brigade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:15:09 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: HappyTime.exe and kak.htm virus This is NOT a hoax.... Someone (not from this list) sent me the HappyTime.htm (I think that was it) and Norton picked it up. Also, my computer was infected with something called kak.htm virus. No idea what it is or what it does. Everyone PLEASE run your virus scan to make sure that I have not passed something on to others. Thanks Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:17:57 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Search Ho the List, I'm trying track down a fella named "Fiddling Red" that's supposed to be out here in the NW. No warrants for his arrest or such........just a friend lookin to find him. Contact me off line iffin ya know where he is... Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:49:56 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. mat porter-- getting started is tough for a lot of people and most of us go thru a big learning curve and thought process and pattern change as we progress thru the learning of buckskinning---dont know where in arkansas you are located---can point you toward a few people if i knew where you live---there is a state shoot usually in september in berryville arkansas---a good one---will have a lot of people there and a good opertunity to see and look at what people are doing in the way you are directing yourself---several of the companies have cloth patterns for shirts and such and remember something that overalls were invented in the early 1800 by Levi corporation (this gets the purests/triditionalist going)and are usually acceptable at most shoots except for the pure AMM doings---a good starter but not your final end point thats for sure---contact me offline and we can discuss the way you want to go and possible methods to follow along with ML contacts in your area------ BTW My home is in the Eureka Springs area originally-- YMHOSANT "HAWK" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. (Home of "Old Grizz" products) (C) Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:03:01 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Advice for a beginner. mat porter-- getting started is tough for a lot of people and most of us go thru a big learning curve and thought process and pattern change as we progress thru the learning of buckskinning---dont know where in arkansas you are located---can point you toward a few people if i knew where you live---there is a state shoot usually in september in berryville arkansas---a good one---will have a lot of people there and a good opertunity to see and look at what people are doing in the way you are directing yourself---several of the companies have cloth patterns for shirts and such and remember something that "overalls were invented in the early 1800 by Levi corporation (this gets the purests/triditionalist going)and are usually acceptable at most shoots except for the pure AMM doings---a good starter but not your final end point thats for sure---contact me offline and we can discuss the way you want to go and possible methods to follow along with ML contacts in your area------ BTW My home is in the Eureka Springs area originally-- and the info that CPT L gave you about where to start is real good so the above is just a adder for most imput---remember "trying to have a proper persona counts a lot" and if you dont think something is correct dont do it or ask someone who knows---Just dont be a "plactic Buckskinner" try to do it right and to the best of your abilities---read and ask and you will learn. YMHOSANT "HAWK" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. (Home of "Old Grizz" products) (C) Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:10:13 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Search Steve, I think he is in Idaho in the Panhandle but am not sure. Let me know if you don't get better info and I'll pass this off to the AMM up here. I remain..... YMOS Capt..Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Search > Ho the List, > > I'm trying track down a fella named "Fiddling Red" that's supposed to be out > here in the NW. No warrants for his arrest or such........just a friend > lookin to find him. Contact me off line iffin ya know where he is... > > Ymos, > Steve > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #497 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.