From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #501 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, March 19 2000 Volume 01 : Number 501 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: test of new signature -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!! -       MtMan-List: Dogs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       MtMan-List: Ratcliff's Found Minerals -       MtMan-List: Salting Hides. -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 -       MtMan-List: Ratcliffs Found Minerals -       Re: MtMan-List: Ratcliff's Found Minerals -       Re: MtMan-List: Ratcliff's Found Minerals -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 -       MtMan-List: Rock pickin.. -       Re: MtMan-List: Rock pickin.. -       Re: MtMan-List: museums -       MtMan-List: Lost Brother -       [none] -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: test of new signature ertqrggkpktkrt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:00:16 -0600 From: jc60714@navix.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. Washtahay- At 08:25 AM 3/17/00 PST, you wrote: >I am interested in the idea of purchasing rawhide that is large enough to be >of use in making a dress, and brain tanning it. Has anyone bought hides >like those described, and what is the process for tanning those hides. Are >they ready to brain, or do they require some more work??? I've walked several students through this, its really not that much different than tanning a fresh hide-but the only advantage I can see that it offers is that it lets folks who can't hunt the hides they need stretch their dollars. What I have the kids do is take the dry rawhide and scuff both sides with a piece of 150 grit sandpaper until it has an evenly "sueded" surface. Put about 4 gallons of water in a plastic bucket, add two ounces of muriatic acid, and soak the hide in it for about 48 hours. Rinse the hide in running water for an hour or so. From there, braintan per your favorite procedure. I've even gone so far as to braintan rawhide taken from dog chew toys. It usually makes pretty fair moc soles. As always, your mileage may vary. LongWalker c. du B. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ho the list!! Hello Crazy, Glad to see you're back. Can't think of anyone that I enjoyed sharing camp with as you last year at the National. Just wish I could make it this year but already know I can't. That Spanish Barb mustang stud sounds interesting. Maybe when he gets older do you think that Bill might be interested in breeding him with my 5 year old Kiger mustang mare? She is really a good one. Problem would be to get them together with me being here in California, but bet they would have a really nice foal. Talk to you soon. Best Regards, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:02:32 -0600 From: "Matt P" Subject: MtMan-List: Dogs? Ho the List! I've been lurking for awhile, with nothing to contribute, but I've been wondering about something. Did the frontiersmen and mountain men have any dogs with them?I know from my own experience that I can get a little crazy without other people to talk with, but if I have my dog with me, I could go for days without other people. I wonder if the frontiersmen had any similar experiences. Matt in Texas Moonwolf's Den http://pages.ivillage.com/misc/txmoonwolf/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:40:59 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book john funck do you have the right author for that book---there is one written by shumway and what is the ISBN # for the book you are looking for---brockway made a lot of target rifles and also there are 6 known target pistols made by the same guy---They are a bit advanced for their time---false muzzel and mule ear ignition---with clicker rear sight - ---some of them are even bedded in pitch pine (the barrels) real interesting pieces the brockway guns---couple on display at smithsonian many are of the underhammer design---most of brockway guns were smaller caliber and shot slugs ---gain twist and all that nonsense--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. (Home of "Old Grizz" products) (C) Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:27:37 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book HAWK......... Yes. The book I'm looking for is as described. I copied all the information from a friends copy. Made him promise he'd leave it to me in his will. He didn't see the humor in my asking when he thought he'd be 'checking out'. John "Funk" (drop the 'c' please) ;-) Thanks for your inquiry. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wanted Book > john funck do you have the right author for that book---there is one > written by shumway and what is the ISBN # for the book you are looking > for---brockway made a lot of target rifles and also there are 6 known > target pistols made by the same guy---They are a bit advanced for their > time---false muzzel and mule ear ignition---with clicker rear sight > ---some of them are even bedded in pitch pine (the barrels) real > interesting pieces the brockway guns---couple on display at smithsonian > many are of the underhammer design---most of brockway guns were smaller > caliber and shot slugs ---gain twist and all that nonsense--- > > "HAWK" > Michael Pierce > 854 Glenfield Dr. (Home of "Old Grizz" products) (C) > Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 > e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web > site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:28:07 -0700 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. I have deer, elk cow and buffalo rawide, also green salted deer, elk, and buffalo hides. Both will work for brain tanning Joe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:05:38 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. Joe, I thought "salted" hides would not work for braining?? Am I wrong? John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Brandl To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:28 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. > I have deer, elk cow and buffalo rawide, also green salted deer, elk, > and buffalo hides. Both will work for brain tanning > > Joe > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:58:20 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. > Joe, > I thought "salted" hides would not work for braining?? Am I wrong? > John Funk John, Joe will probably back this up but one of my favorite "Brain Tanners" Mike "Dirty Shirt" Rider, has said that salted hides are actually easier to work with and in some strange way especially so if they have been salted for some time. I recall him saying they were easier to dehair and grain. Hope that helps. I remain........ YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:58:32 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. "Capt." & Joe......... If such be the case I stand forever informed and corrected. I could have sworn that during the course of some "brain tanning" discussion someone said exactly the opposite. I know "Shirt" well and would agree, he does the best braining that I've come across. I sure miss his ugly puss. Thanks for the input. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lahti To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. > > > > > Joe, > > I thought "salted" hides would not work for braining?? Am I wrong? > > John Funk > > John, > > Joe will probably back this up but one of my favorite "Brain Tanners" Mike > "Dirty Shirt" Rider, has said that salted hides are actually easier to work > with and in some strange way especially so if they have been salted for some > time. I recall him saying they were easier to dehair and grain. Hope that > helps. I remain........ > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:12:11 -0700 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF9116.D8225560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ho the list, Today on a construction site I found a number of small (2"-5" diameter) = flat (1"-1 1/2" thick) stones, reddish brown in color...more red than = brown that are lightweight for their size. I haven't had the = opportunity to determine the specific gravity, but I will next week. = These stones were found as nodules in layers of gray and tan shaley clay = or in soft weathered limestone and are quite soft...they can be scraped = with a fingernail. When washed they erode slightly with a slightly = "slimey" feel...like wet silty clay. They can be carved easily with a = pocket knife. The cuttings stain the hands a ruddy color. The stone = looks like a pipestone (catlinite?) pipe I once had, but I have been led = to believe that pipestone is found almost entirely in the Great Lakes = region. I'm stumped. Anybody have an opinion? Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF9116.D8225560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ho the list,
Today on a construction site I found a number of small (2"-5"=20 diameter)  flat (1"-1 1/2" thick) stones, reddish brown in = color...more red=20 than brown that are lightweight for their size.  I haven't had the=20 opportunity to determine the specific gravity, but I will next = week.  These=20 stones were found as nodules in layers of gray and tan shaley clay or in = soft=20 weathered limestone and are quite soft...they can be scraped with a = fingernail.  When washed they erode slightly with a slightly = "slimey"=20 feel...like wet silty clay.  They can be carved easily with a = pocket=20 knife.   The cuttings stain the hands a ruddy color.  The = stone=20 looks like a pipestone (catlinite?) pipe I once had, but I have been led = to=20 believe that pipestone is found almost entirely in the Great Lakes = region. =20 I'm stumped.
Anybody have an opinion?
Lanney Ratcliff
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF9116.D8225560-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:39:37 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John C. Funk, Jr." To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 3:58 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. > "Capt." & Joe......... > If such be the case I stand forever informed and corrected. I could have > sworn that during the course of some "brain tanning" discussion someone said > exactly the opposite. I know "Shirt" well and would agree, he does the best > braining that I've come across. I sure miss his ugly puss. > Thanks for the input. John After that I sure hope I quoted him correctly. I'd swear I heard him make that comment to someone who had some hides but wasn't sure they would be any good cause they had been salted. I remain. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:41:45 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Ratcliff's Found Minerals Lanney, From the limited description you provided, Barite, Bauxite, Calcite, Cinnabar, Gypsum, Realgar and a few others are all possibilities. Any additional info such as Specific Gravity, Hardness, Streak Color, Refraction, Cleavage and Odor (when heated) will help to differentiate between the minerals. I have many gemological / mineralogical ref's to use, and in looking at them it would seem that Streak Color in these softer materials is an important item. Let me know and I'll see what I can dig up. Barney Fife - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:46:49 PST From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: MtMan-List: Salting Hides. At Braintan.com they describe proper methods for storing or preserving hides for future use, and salting is one of the methods described. Must be OK. Cliff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:10:15 -0500 From: "D Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 LANNEY WROTE: Anybody have an opinion? >>Yep... Get a real job.. Love D (and it does sound like the catlinite I have here) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:18:01 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Ratcliffs Found Minerals oh, and i forgot the most obvious CATLINITE Catlinite is chemically a clay (silicate of alumina) colored brick red with peroxide of iron. In a museum article it was said that Indians preferred this more pure clay over other red stone found else where - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:25:24 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ratcliff's Found Minerals There are some dark brown to black fine streaks. L - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:41 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Ratcliff's Found Minerals > Lanney, From the limited description you provided, Barite, Bauxite, = Calcite,=20 > Cinnabar, Gypsum, Realgar and a few others are all possibilities. Any = > additional info such as Specific Gravity, Hardness, Streak Color, = Refraction,=20 > Cleavage and Odor (when heated) will help to differentiate between the = > minerals. I have many gemological / mineralogical ref's to use, and = in=20 > looking at them it would seem that Streak Color in these softer = materials is=20 > an important item. Let me know and I'll see what I can dig up. = Barney Fife >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:16:32 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ratcliff's Found Minerals In a message dated 3/18/00 7:21:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, rat@htcomp.net writes: > There are some dark brown to black fine streaks. Lanney, If the fine lines you mention are in the mineral, it sounds more like Catlinite. According to legend: Another phenomena that shows itself is what the crafts-people call a heart-line. It is a hair-thick line that is straight and a different color, (usually black,) to the stone. It looks like a crack but it isn't. If one of these is found in the stone, it is thought to be highly lucky for both the crafts-person and the person who ends up with the item it is in. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:11:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. John, I would agree with the Capt. and Joe; have also tanned hides that had been salted for quite a while and they came out very good. I soaked them well and got all the salt out; didn't have any problems at all. Best Regards, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 _______________________________________________________________________________ At 01:05 PM 03/18/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Joe, >I thought "salted" hides would not work for braining?? Am I wrong? >John Funk > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Joe Brandl >To: >Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:28 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. > > >> I have deer, elk cow and buffalo rawide, also green salted deer, elk, >> and buffalo hides. Both will work for brain tanning >> >> Joe >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:19:25 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 Lanney, It's difficult to say what it is that you picked up. You and I must have the same genes somewhere though, because I am a notorious picker upper of stones and what not also. They usually end up filling icecream pails or coffee cans, and then they reside in my shop or somewhere for eternity. I should mention that I have picked up lots of neat things in some very odd places including construction sites everything from indian artifacts, fur trade items, old coins, I even found a nice pipestone pipe once. Nodules found in soft shaley clay and weathered limestone doesn't seem to match the conditions pipestone is usually found under, from my understanding. I can fax you some info about the catlanite quarries in Minnesota which you were referring to earlier. This would explain the conditions, composition , and other information relating to pipestone found in that locality. That is where it occurs in the largest amounts and has been extensively mined by aboriginals. Did you know it was named after George Catlin? northwoods - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: History List Date: March 18, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 Ho the list, Today on a construction site I found a number of small (2"-5" diameter) flat (1"-1 1/2" thick) stones, reddish brown in color...more red than brown that are lightweight for their size. I haven't had the opportunity to determine the specific gravity, but I will next week. These stones were found as nodules in layers of gray and tan shaley clay or in soft weathered limestone and are quite soft...they can be scraped with a fingernail. When washed they erode slightly with a slightly "slimey" feel...like wet silty clay. They can be carved easily with a pocket knife. The cuttings stain the hands a ruddy color. The stone looks like a pipestone (catlinite?) pipe I once had, but I have been led to believe that pipestone is found almost entirely in the Great Lakes region. I'm stumped. Anybody have an opinion? Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:37:20 -0800 From: "Poorboy" Subject: MtMan-List: Rock pickin.. Klahowya Lanney, Where are you located at, or more specifically the construction site? This sounds a lot like scoria rock like I grew up within MT. It is plate like in structure, is a iron oxide red in color, has many veins or darker red, brown, and black in it. When it gets wet it is extremely slippery. It flakes and crumbles easily, and usually holds nice fossil imprints. I am sure scoria is not the technical name, but someone else on the list can help us with that. YMOS PoorBoy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:51:50 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rock pickin.. That matches the discription of my rocks except that I have found = relatively few veins. The site is in Roanoak, Texas, a northern suburb = of Ft Worth. Below two or three feet of clay and sandy clay much of the = site consists of weathered limestone....basically crumbled, fairly soft = limestone fragments imbedded in limestone that has deteriorated into a = ten clay-like matrix. This is where I found the red stones. Thanks Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Poorboy To: AMM mailing list Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 7:37 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Rock pickin.. > Klahowya Lanney, > Where are you located at, or more specifically the construction site? = This > sounds a lot like scoria rock like I grew up within MT. It is plate = like in > structure, is a iron oxide red in color, has many veins or darker red, > brown, and black in it. When it gets wet it is extremely slippery. = It > flakes and crumbles easily, and usually holds nice fossil imprints. I = am > sure scoria is not the technical name, but someone else on the list = can help > us with that. > YMOS > PoorBoy >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:14:33 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: museums bearclaw believe Lee has checked out of the net---someone on the list might confirm this but i believe he passed about a year ago---his wife also works there and is a expert on beads--"old trade Beads"---lee was a hell of a guy and usto write in muzzle blast and give info on gunmakers---he has one of the best databases I know of on makers and all. he assisted me several times--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. (Home of "Old Grizz" products) (C) Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: MtMan-List: Lost Brother While attending briefly the Bridger Birthday Doin's at Ft. Bridger I spoke with Joe Funk from Jackson about an old brother "Pawnee" Buckley, somewhere in Mt. Does anyone know for sure his location or how to get in touch with him? Thanks in advance for any help, YMOS, Dog, Gabe's Hole Brig. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:36:05 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: northwoods@ez-net.com Date: March 19, 2000 7:41 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 >I wondered if the name came from Catlin. I also wondered about the stone being >pipestone since I have seen references to pipestone being quarried not mined.. Sorry I meant to say quarried, not mined. There are very few instances of aboriginal people mining anything. . > Maybe it will harden in time. I know that pipestone is soft after first being recovered. It is much easier to work when "fresh", as are most other stone materials that aboriginals made implements with. They even employed methods of heat treating to many types of stones to make them more workable or to improve the way they fracture although I don't know if they did this with catlanite. > I was concerned that if it were carved into a pipe and fired up the user might be breathing in God knows what kind of fumes. Thats seems to me to be a reasonable concern. Stone in general seems to be a fairly inert substance. If you could positively identify it as such, which wouldn't be to difficult if you could show it to someone who is knowledgable on the subject, I think you would be good to go. > I wonder if it related to vermillion or cinnibar? Isn't cinnibar accually mercury ore? I >remember from chemistry class back in the sixties that the teacher had a jar of oxide of >mercury powder that when heated would produce little globules of liquid mercury...which >we all played with, by the way. I had the similiar experiences when I was younger. Last fall a 7th grader in a local school got a hold of a tiny (like1oz.) amount of mercury and took it out of the class room. Seems some was spilled in different places around school, and when the authorities found out about it, they closed the school down and got a HAZMAT team in and after 2 weeks of no classes and $300,000 later they had it cleaned up. > That powder was very heavy and these stones are noticibly light for their size. It's a dang >puzzlement, that's what it is. Please fax me the information at 817 268 8602...be sure to >include a cover sheet with my name on it or the secretary will give it to one of the >engineers. Pipestone isn't the really that light for it's size. That maybe another indication that what you found is not catlanite. If you want a pipestone pipe, or a piece of pipestone to carve one out of I may be able to find one for ya. I'll get the info out to you tommorrow when I get into the office. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:27:39 -0800 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. Thanks, Jerry...... That will simplify matters for me in the future. Can't imagine where I got that notion. John Funk - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow To: Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. > John, > > I would agree with the Capt. and Joe; have also tanned hides that had been > salted for quite a while and they came out very good. I soaked them well > and got all the salt out; didn't have any problems at all. > > Best Regards, > > Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > At 01:05 PM 03/18/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >Joe, > >I thought "salted" hides would not work for braining?? Am I wrong? > >John Funk > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Joe Brandl > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:28 PM > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rawhides to Brain Tan. > > > > > >> I have deer, elk cow and buffalo rawide, also green salted deer, elk, > >> and buffalo hides. Both will work for brain tanning > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> ---------------------- > >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:37:13 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 The weight was what caused me to doubt that it is pipestone. If I look = around some I bet that I can find the pipe that was a gift from my AMM = sponsor, James Craker. Looks like a little tomahawk. Maybe I will = carve something and let it dry for a time and see what happens. Maybe = an amulet or talisman instead of a pipe. No fumes from a thing like = that. Thanks in advance for the faxed info. Lanney - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: northwoods =20 To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ratcliff > To: northwoods@ez-net.com > Date: March 19, 2000 7:41 AM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:16:29 -0600 >=20 >=20 > >I wondered if the name came from Catlin. I also wondered about the = stone > being >pipestone since I have seen references to pipestone being = quarried > not mined.. >=20 > Sorry I meant to say quarried, not mined. There are very few instances = of > aboriginal people mining anything. > . > > Maybe it will harden in time. >=20 > I know that pipestone is soft after first being recovered. It is much = easier > to work when "fresh", as are most other stone materials that = aboriginals > made implements with. They even employed methods of heat treating to = many > types of stones to make them more workable or to improve the way they > fracture although I don't know if they did this with catlanite. >=20 > > I was concerned that if it were carved into a pipe and fired up the = user > might be breathing in God knows what kind of fumes. >=20 > Thats seems to me to be a reasonable concern. Stone in general seems = to be a > fairly inert substance. If you could positively identify it as such, = which > wouldn't be to difficult if you could show it to someone who is = knowledgable > on the subject, I think you would be good to go. >=20 > > I wonder if it related to vermillion or cinnibar? Isn't cinnibar = accually > mercury ore? I >remember from chemistry class back in the sixties that = the > teacher had a jar of oxide of >mercury powder that when heated would = produce > little globules of liquid mercury...which >we all played with, by the = way. >=20 > I had the similiar experiences when I was younger. Last fall a 7th = grader in > a local school got a hold of a tiny (like1oz.) amount of mercury and = took > it out of the class room. Seems some was spilled in different places = around > school, and when the authorities found out about it, they closed the = school > down and got a HAZMAT team in and after 2 weeks of no classes and = $300,000 > later they had it cleaned up. >=20 > > That powder was very heavy and these stones are noticibly light for = their > size. It's a dang >puzzlement, that's what it is. Please fax me the > information at 817 268 8602...be sure to >include a cover sheet with = my name > on it or the secretary will give it to one of the >engineers. >=20 > Pipestone isn't the really that light for it's size. That maybe = another > indication that what you found is not catlanite. If you want a = pipestone > pipe, or a piece of pipestone to carve one out of I may be able to = find one > for ya. I'll get the info out to you tommorrow when I get into the = office. >=20 > northwoods >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #501 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.