From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #505 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, March 21 2000 Volume 01 : Number 505 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       MtMan-List: Re: trousers or leggings -       Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton/vernacular/What about Osborne Russell? -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats -       MtMan-List: www.lafete.org -       Re: MtMan-List: www.lafete.org -       Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock -       Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       [Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & mountain lions -       Re: MtMan-List: David Jackson -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] -       Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:44:09 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats - -----Original Message----- From: DickSummers@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: March 20, 2000 9:28 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver hats > When pressed hard, the barbs interlock >with each other, making a solid fabric. This is felting. (I always thought >they shaved the pelt to make the hat.) Once felted the pelt was no longer >furry and was ready to be made into a hat. I think the hair is shaved off of the pelt in making a felt hat. >I had never heard this. Furs that had been worn by Indians (called First >Nations people on this web site) were called "coat beaver." After wearing a >year or more, the longer, coarser hairs had been worn off and these furs >brought in a high price in the fur trade. The hatter began the process of making felt hats by first using his thumb agains a dull blade of a knife to pull all of the long guard hairs. Any furs that this process had already been through would have been worth more money. After the guard hairs were pulled the soft short fur was shaved off with a crescent shaped knife like a leatherworker uses. Then an amount of fur was weighed out which was enough to make a hat. In order to get the barbs of the hair to interloc, each pile was place on a table that was enclosed on three sides. Then he took a tool that looked like a bow, and he would repeatedley "twang" the string onto the pile and through it and the vibration would cause the hairs to lay parrallel to eachother and the barbs to interloc. Then the pile was shaped and flattened into a batt. An important part of the process was to boil the batts and beat them with a club which caused the fiber to shrink and become compacted, then they went to the man who blocked and shaped the hats, and dyed them. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:03:14 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? - -----Original Message----- From: Hawkengun@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: March 20, 2000 11:11 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? >I don't claim to be an expert on any kind of hunting, trapping or history, >but I sure have a lot of interest in the afore mentioned. I have no doubt >that an exceptionally good dog would be a real asset on a 1803-1850 trapping >expedition, and the documnets prove that they were present, at least >occaisionally--possibly regularly. For what its worth I agree with you on the above statement. Its a big jump to say that they were very common in the trapping expeditions. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:06:09 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? - -----Original Message----- From: Matt P To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: March 20, 2000 11:39 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? >I don't remember exactly which one I saw it in (Dog Fancy, Dog&Kennel, ?), >but I will pick one up Wednesday (tomorrow), and will be able to tell you >about it then. >Matt in Texas Matt, could you post some of the info, from the article if and when you recieve it, as Buck suggested? northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:11:07 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? - -----Original Message----- From: hawknest4@juno.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: March 21, 2000 1:23 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? >northwoods--- >got a few of them cat critters in my traps when i was a kid but never one >as big as yours---and if i had a dog with me i sure wouldnt want to try >to seperate them--- Your absolutely rite Hawk. If I would have brought the dog I had at the time (which there has never lived a dog that was a better companion) I would have had a hard time telling him to "sit-stay". That cat could have reaked havoc, and I am sure he knew what a dog was as this country is full of hound hunters that chase the bear,coyote,cats incessantly. >and I bet when you saw that cat in your trap you sure >didnt say "Nice Kitty" especially if you didnt have a 22 rifle with 22. pistol was the coupdegrace, I have some great photos of that cat in the trap. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:18:07 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? - -----Original Message----- From: hawknest4@juno.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: March 21, 2000 1:23 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? Aahh, the merits of a well trained dog.... how nice a thing it is to at least have the priveledge of owning at least one in a persons lifetime. northwoods > >the dog you are speaking of does exist but not much in our todays >society---takes a lot of time and trouble to train a dog and have him do >exactly what you want---you almost have to have him with you 24 hrs a day >for the first 3 or 4 years of his life---and when i say with you i mean >just that--- > >my brother has a springer spannel that he has had since a pup---dog goes >everwhere with him including the office---float trips on the river and >when he goes uptown to a restrant my brother tells his dog to sit by the >door of the cafe or to stay in the bed of the truck----that is just what >he does-----and at the door you can pet the dog in the truck dont get >near it you get a lot of teeth and are not made very welcome---brother >doesnt roll up the windows and tells his dog to watch the truck---even >leaves his keys in it---"one thing for sure if you are not family you >wont be getting in that truck and live--- > >the point being made is yes a well trained dog will work but one that is >less than 100% isnt---especially on a trapline---I had a couple and only >one was ever allowed to go with me---would never get in a trap or go near >a set---when i needed to reset i would tell it to sit off away from the >trap then set it and bait it and go on ---and unless i would sick it on >something it would not rush up to something caught in the trap---dog was >a lot of help with ki-dogs on a drag---would get me close enough to know >wher the trap and ki-dog was then i would go on from ther without the >dog---set my pack basket down and tell the dog to guard the baskey---and >i would fo my thing--- > >YMHOSANT > =+= > "HAWK" >Michael Pierce >854 Glenfield Dr. (Home of "Old Grizz" products) (C) >Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 >e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web >site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:24:29 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock There are old catlanite digs in Wisconsin too. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:47:51 -0600 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? Angela Gottfred wrote: > . . . Period artwork from the Canadian fur trade shows a wide variety of dogs, many of them > surprisingly small. . . Please don't tell me the small dogs were the sissified yipping house dogs I see at many rendezvous. Glenn Darilek Iron Burner - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:06:35 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: trousers or leggings By leggings, I assume you mean the ones that come over the thigh and attach to a thong or belt at the waist. I would recommend trousers. Leggings are nice and comfortable, especially in warm weather (I have a brain tanned pair, myself) and historically correct for the fur trade era, but trousers give you much more versatility (they are also historically correct). They allow you to do a broader range of impressions where leggings may restrict you to a narrower range. If you want to do something beyond the fur trade era, the trousers will allow that flexibility. Many of us "do" other impressions in addition ot the fur trade. For some of my impressions my buckskin trousers fit in much better than my leggings ever would. If you have to make a choice, go with the trousers. If not, then do both. As to which were most common, that's difficult to answer. All I can suggest is that they were both quite common. Either choice would be historically valid, since there is enough evidence to support the wide use of both types. Cheers, HBC >I'm trying to decide whether to go the legging route >with wool breeches, or just get a pair of brain tan trousers. As you >mentioned off line, knee britches, long wool stockings, with brain tan >leggings over all, would seem to be the best way to go. Ya don't havta git >nakid to dry out! (preddy gud vernakular...huh?) lol >Ymos, >Steve ********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum *** Living History . . . Because It's There *** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:23:46 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton/vernacular/What about Osborne Russell? What about the place in Russell's journal where he quotes Major Joe Meek giving his account of an encounter with the Blackfeet? Ya gotta admit, Russell was there. I also recall in the dim recesses of my memories about the early oregon trail folks commenting on the peculiar speech of the mountaineers. Then there's the St Louis newspaper account of Black Harris and his "putrified" forest. I think lots of those old boys had some fun putting-on the pilgrims alright and you all can take it or leave it...but I will prefer a man with a few extra syllables in his words everytime over them carnsarned book-thumpers! Like Mark Twain says, "It's a poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:13:55 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats Dick, I tried to open the url you sent and something ain't right. Won't open. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' > www.lafete.org/Ft.e/Ae_INDX.htm - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:12:53 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats I had the same trouble: Try: http://www.lafete.org/Ft_e/Ae_INDX.htm or http://www.lafete.org/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:30 -0700 From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com Subject: MtMan-List: www.lafete.org Ho the list, Great site, but I'd be careful when thinking that all these songs are fur trade period. I have a problem envisioning Colter, Glass et al singing and dancing to "Le Boogie Woogie". Could be a lot of fun, especially after a few pots of Taos Lightnin. Probably need to keep someone sober, just in case the others decide that the "in" is the fire pit. Some of my hunting party have come close to being victims of the "Wild Elk Dance", a similar kind of exuberant nonsense. Lou Sickler Colorado Territory > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Lindberg [SMTP:jal@sgi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 1:13 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats > > I had the same trouble: > > Try: > > http://www.lafete.org/Ft_e/Ae_INDX.htm > > or > > http://www.lafete.org/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:22:06 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: www.lafete.org One of the musicians, a professor from the Montana State University system at Billings, Montana gave a music presentation of the period. He said a few tunes were popular and played regularly. Different songs were sung to various tunes. This country was pretty harsh on drinkers at the time. Being hungover and alert to danger do not go hand in hand. Walt Park City, Montana - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 2:08 PM Subject: MtMan-List: www.lafete.org > Ho the list, > > Great site, but I'd be careful when thinking that all these songs are fur > trade period. > > I have a problem envisioning Colter, Glass et al singing and dancing to "Le > Boogie Woogie". > > Could be a lot of fun, especially after a few pots of Taos Lightnin. > Probably need to keep someone sober, just in case the others decide that the > "in" is the fire pit. Some of my hunting party have come close to being > victims of the "Wild Elk Dance", a similar kind of exuberant nonsense. > > Lou Sickler > Colorado Territory > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Lindberg [SMTP:jal@sgi.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 1:13 PM > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver hats > > > > I had the same trouble: > > > > Try: > > > > http://www.lafete.org/Ft_e/Ae_INDX.htm > > > > or > > > > http://www.lafete.org/ > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:55:10 -0600 From: jc60714@navix.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock Washtahay- At 08:24 AM 3/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >There are old catlanite digs in Wisconsin too. > Its been a while since I worked it, but from what I recall the Wisconsin stone was darker-almost a maroon, and harder/more brittle vs. stone from the Pipestone quarries. Having said that, got any of the Wisconsin stone to trade? I just acquired an old pipe that appears to be from that stone and would like to make a smoking copy. For that matter, I am always willing to trade for Catlinite, soapstone, steatite, etc-about anything I can carve a pipe from. LongWalker c. du B. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:13:40 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lindberg To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: March 21, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock >There are old catlanite digs in Wisconsin too. Where? I take a particular interest in this sort of thing. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:33:19 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? - -----Original Message----- From: Walt Foster To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: March 20, 2000 10:36 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? > Bobcats are a different story. I hunted them with a bow and arrow in the 50s and was >successful as long as I hunted alone. You sure make it sound easy Walt. How many people do you think could succesfully hunt bobcat with a stickbow? I could have shot one once with my recurve, but I chose not to. We have cougar where I live. The neighbor lady a mile down the road had a female with two young ones under her bird feeder. My dad saw one only a few hundred yards from my doorstep last year. I have had numerous locals tell me of sightings. The Department of Natural Resources here in WI denies that there are any in the state but that isn't the case. I am intimately familiar with hound hunting. Compared to other methods it is easy as far as I am concerened. Exspecially with modern technology like radio tracking equipment. Tell me about some of these bobcats you shot with the bow. I would like to hear the details and circumstances. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 00 21:07:07 EST From: Concho Smith Subject: [Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) wrote: Check out the mountain man camp journals the years they wintered in Cache= (Willow) Valley. When Black Harris and Fitzpatrick headed out to St. Loui= s in February, they had a dog with them (they later killed it in a very grizzly fashion and ate it). - ------------------------------------------------------ Hey Bill, There's been a mess of dog replies, have we gone that direction !!! You talking about Black Harris and Fitzpatrick eating dog, ask Buck about= the time him and Butcher York where at the "Holy Smokes" in Browning MT., and= asked to stay for the evening events with about 1200 native americans. = Seems some ladies bring out several dogs and the old chief pokes them a little, make his selection. After a time Butcher says they hear a dog rai= sing hell outside the building, then it get still, a few hours later he's serv= ed as the main meat in a stew. According to Butcher, Buck damn near got as gree= n as the stew when eating his meal. I've asked him about it and he still looks a little green years later whe= n he thinks about it. Later Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:14:34 -0600 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & mountain lions Don't let so called experts tell you there are no big cats pratically = anywhere, particularly a state like Wisconsin. There are more cats , = including mountain lions, in unlikely places than many people realize. = For instance....about 3 years ago a friend of mine shot a 130 lb = mountain lion from his deer stand in Bosque (bos-key) County, Texas, = which is the county across the Brazos River from my county, which = borders Tarrant County...Ft Worth. A mountain lion was spotted = repeatedly in Tarrant County this fall. In fact, it ate a couple of = dogs and had people afraid to let their kids play in the yard. This cat = was widely presumed to be an escaped or freed pet and was never = captured. About 5 years ago (before I moved here) another lion was = captured on the very street where I live only about four blocks from my = house and was also presumed to be somebody's pet. The neighbors said = they couldn't kick their dogs outside. The whined and groveled every = night. =20 YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: northwoods To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Walt Foster > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: March 20, 2000 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? >=20 >=20 > > Bobcats are a different story. I hunted them with a bow and arrow = in the > 50s and was > >successful as long as I hunted alone. >=20 >=20 > You sure make it sound easy Walt. How many people do you think could > succesfully hunt bobcat with a stickbow? I could have shot one once = with my > recurve, but I chose not to. We have cougar where I live. The neighbor = lady > a mile down the road had a female with two young ones under her bird = feeder. > My dad saw one only a few hundred yards from my doorstep last year. I = have > had numerous locals tell me of sightings. The Department of Natural > Resources here in WI denies that there are any in the state but that = isn't > the case. > I am intimately familiar with hound hunting. Compared to other methods = it is > easy as far as I am concerened. Exspecially with modern technology = like > radio tracking equipment. > Tell me about some of these bobcats you shot with the bow. I would = like to > hear the details and circumstances. >=20 > northwoods >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:25:01 GMT From: "Bill Jackson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: David Jackson Thanks Tetontodd, good luck on being a pilgram Madjack >From: tetontodd@juno.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: David Jackson >Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:03:44 -0700 > >Mad Jack, > >I refer you to "David E. Jackson, Field Captain of the Rocky Mountain Fur >Trade." by Vivian L. Talbot. ISBN: 1-886402-01-9 >This is one of the few and best works on Davy Jackson. > > >"Teton" Todd D. Glover >Poison River Party Pilgrim > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:48:45 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? Hello northwoods, Over the years fellow archers have said that I made shooting bows up to 104# seem effortless. But let me tell you it seem awfully hard to pull that bow back for more than 40 shots in a short period of time. For years my all around general purpose straight long bow was 71# at my draw length. I shot a 86# bow to tune up for the 104#. I shoot a 58# straight long bow now. I am considering a 51# bow as I am at that age where I am growing older in the body way faster than in the I think I can, in my mind. I shot those 3 bob cats with a 54# bow from 1955-1957. About 4 miles behind me to the north is the Yellowstone Bowman archery club. I helped build that range. Above that range 3 rimrock steps run along for miles. To the west Valley Creek. To the northwest is the famed Canyon Creek where the Nez Perce avoided serious trouble with a stand off action near the mouth of the main canyon. And the flat top butte south of the range is mentioned in Two Leggings book as the gathering of the last Crow war party. In the winter of 1954 my father came home with 5 bob cats he had shot for the bounty. I got a good idea of what the bob cat tracks looked like in the snow. The next year I would go out to the range when it snowed. I would climb up on the rimrocks and try to cut sign. Once I had a track established. I would go up on the rimrock above the one carrying the cat tracks. From there I would look and move. Lock and move. Never moving faster than I could see below and ahead of me. I got one the first year. It took 4 tries before I got my first bob cat during the first year. I got my second and third bob cat with a bow in 56 and the last with my brother along and one of his friends. The next snow when I went out was covered with boot tracks. My brother and his friends had been there ahead of me and never asked me to go along. I went and got started hunting elk. I never thought much about it that is taking a bob cat with a bow. I love the excitement of the hunt and as I already had 2 deer under my belt. I never thought about buck fever. Hunting was way better then. If I missed I could always go after the next one. The best hunting since the time of the mountain men reoccurred after WWII up to 1960 and has dramatically gone down hill ever since. At least in my experience. Walt Park City, Montana - ----- Original Message ----- From: "northwoods" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walt Foster > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: March 20, 2000 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? > > > > Bobcats are a different story. I hunted them with a bow and arrow in the > 50s and was > >successful as long as I hunted alone. > > > You sure make it sound easy Walt. How many people do you think could > succesfully hunt bobcat with a stickbow? I could have shot one once with my > recurve, but I chose not to. We have cougar where I live. The neighbor lady > a mile down the road had a female with two young ones under her bird feeder. > My dad saw one only a few hundred yards from my doorstep last year. I have > had numerous locals tell me of sightings. The Department of Natural > Resources here in WI denies that there are any in the state but that isn't > the case. > I am intimately familiar with hound hunting. Compared to other methods it is > easy as far as I am concerened. Exspecially with modern technology like > radio tracking equipment. > Tell me about some of these bobcats you shot with the bow. I would like to > hear the details and circumstances. > > northwoods > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:53:42 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] Concho, I am familar with that neck of the woods. The Cheyenne also eat dog as do the Sioux. The Crows do not. What happened to the meats meat.....I have eaten raw kidney with my Cheyenne friends because they claim it prevents hangover. There are somethings I won't eat. Ain't been that hungry yet. Walt Park City, Montana - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Concho Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: [Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) wrote: Check out the mountain man camp journals the years they wintered in Cache (Willow) Valley. When Black Harris and Fitzpatrick headed out to St. Louis in February, they had a dog with them (they later killed it in a very grizzly fashion and ate it). - ------------------------------------------------------ Hey Bill, There's been a mess of dog replies, have we gone that direction !!! You talking about Black Harris and Fitzpatrick eating dog, ask Buck about the time him and Butcher York where at the "Holy Smokes" in Browning MT., and asked to stay for the evening events with about 1200 native americans. Seems some ladies bring out several dogs and the old chief pokes them a little, make his selection. After a time Butcher says they hear a dog raising hell outside the building, then it get still, a few hours later he's served as the main meat in a stew. According to Butcher, Buck damn near got as green as the stew when eating his meal. I've asked him about it and he still looks a little green years later when he thinks about it. Later Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:07:04 -0600 From: jc60714@navix.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock Washtahay- At 06:13 PM 3/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >>There are old catlanite digs in Wisconsin too. > > >Where? I take a particular interest in this sort of thing. > Take a look in the south end of the Barren Hills, between Canton and Chetek (probably spelled that wrong). Its a decent stone, but not as "red" as the stone in MN. The stone is also found, and was quarried in prehistoric and historic times in OH and IL. There is a rumor of a small deposit in IA also. LongWalker c. du B. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:31:14 -0500 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen Oh well, I had to ask. If you ever think of any possible source of this information I would be most grateful for any lead. Thanks, Tom tipis@mediaone.net wrote: > There you have me....my expertise lies in certain areas of Native American > clothing. > > Linda Holley > > tom roberts wrote: > > > Linda, > > > > You seem to be quite knowledgable about clothing. Do you > > know what weight and weave of linen garment fabric > > would have been available to the 1820 fur trade in St. Louis? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Tom > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:13:29 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen Tom, Since we aren't getting anything authoritative out of this bunch, I'll venture some ideas. In ML magazine this last issue is a nice article about the Rev. Dodderidge (sic) who was a traveling preacher back around 1790's if I remember the dates. That article has some quotes from his book of his recollections of the times. He mentioned what common folks were wearing and from what I remember the linen was fairly course and not at all like fine Irish linens, etc. He also mentioned that it was common to wear linsy woolsy which was linen threads up and down and wool threads back and forth through the fabric. He commented that this was much warmer than straight linen. I don't know if true linsy woolsy is available any more. You can get a linen cotton version which is heavy enough for a hunting shirt or pants but it won't be as warm. Hope this helps a bit. There doesn't seem to be much information out there about weights of fabric, you just sorta have to speculate a bit about what would work best for whatever type of garment your making within the limitations of still available fabrics. I found out recently that the sails on the USS Constitution were made of linen canvas and it would have been fairly heavy and suitable for tentage and heavy garments like pantaloons and knee britches. Probably about the same weight as cotton canvas today. About all I have to offer. I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #505 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.