From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #506 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, March 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 506 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] -       MtMan-List: The Woman On The Golden Dollar -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & mountain lions -       Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock -       MtMan-List: hats -       Re: MtMan-List: The Woman On The Golden Dollar -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] -       MtMan-List: dogs (as food) -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen -       Re: MtMan-List: dogs and snakes (as food) -       Re: MtMan-List: dogs and snakes (as food) -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & mountain lions -       Re: MtMan-List: dogs and snakes (as food) -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen -       MtMan-List: Beaver "Packs" -       Re: MtMan-List: hats -       Re: MtMan-List: Linen -       Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? -       MtMan-List: Beaver Hats -       MtMan-List: Re: Kinnickinnick -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Kinnickinnick -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Kinnickinnick -       MtMan-List: Trapping article in local paper ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Mar 2000 06:38:48 -0800 From: Buck Conner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] On Tue, 21 March 2000, "Walt Foster" wrote: > Concho, I am familar with that neck of the woods. The Cheyenne also eat dog as do the Sioux. The Crows do not. What happened to the meats meat.....I have eaten raw kidney with my Cheyenne friends because they claim it prevents hangover. There are somethings I won't eat. Ain't been that hungry yet. > Walt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Concho Smith" > After a time Butcher says they hear a dog raising hell outside the building, then it get still, a few hours later he's served as the main meat in a stew. According to Butcher, Buck damn near got as green as the stew when eating his meal....... > Concho > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks for bringing that up Concho, @#$%^&** Walt, I think with the way we are raised today, what we eat and how many different animals are looked at as pets and not food as they where once considered, eating dog has become a "mind-set" that makes you act differently than what our forefathers did. In the L&C journals it's mentioned several times of the men doing better on dog than on some game meats, like deer and elk for long periods. Clark talks about trading for dogs for lean periods to help with their diet. What Concho said was a new experience for me, eating dog - most enjoyed watching me choke down that meal. Later Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner ~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "meat's not meat until it's in the pan" Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:41:14 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: The Woman On The Golden Dollar Here's the coin collectors take on Sacagawea. Jim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2000 06:45:40 -0800 From: Buck Conner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & mountain lions On Tue, 21 March 2000, "Ratcliff" wrote: > Don't let so called experts tell you there are no big cats pratically anywhere, particularly a state like Wisconsin. There are more cats , including mountain lions, in unlikely places than many people realize. For instance....about 3 years ago a friend of mine shot a 130 lb mountain lion from his deer stand in Bosque (bos-key) County, Texas, which is the county across the Brazos River from my county, which borders Tarrant County...Ft Worth. A mountain lion was spotted repeatedly in Tarrant County this fall. In fact, it ate a couple of dogs and had people afraid to let their kids play in the yard. This cat was widely presumed to be an escaped or freed pet and was never captured. About 5 years ago (before I moved here) another lion was captured on the very street where I live only about four blocks from my house and was also presumed to be somebody's pet. The neighbors said they couldn't kick their dogs outside. The whined and groveled every night. > YMOS > Lanney Ratcliff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lanney, Years ago (10), when living in northern Colorado we would see a mountain lion several time throughout the year on the farm. I understand now they have moved to town and have become a problem feeding on the pets. This past year where I live now we have seen two lions in our back yard, acre lots at the edge of the foothills over looking Denver. One was trying to catch a red fox that was passing through. The more ground that is put into housing areas the more the problem will continue. Later Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner ~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "meat's not meat until it's in the pan" Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:03 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Scoria Rock I know there is a quarry on the res near Hayward. Supposedly some outcroppings on the Chippewa River not to far from here. This guy knows alot of very interesting things, I can sit and listen to him for hours. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:53:00 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: hats The explanation by Dick Summers of how beaver hats were made was quite interesting. However, I have always heard that mercury was used somewhere in the process. That is where the phrase "mad as a hatter" came from. The fumes are dangerous stuff. Anybody know what part mercury played in the making of hats? Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:01:36 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Woman On The Golden Dollar Let's try that again! > > Here's the coin collectors take on Sacagawea. http://collectors.com/coins/library/article_view.html?artid=2171&universeid=81&universedir=/coins/ You'll have to cut and paste to get the whole url. > > Jim > > ---------------------- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:16:42 -0800 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen Get in touch with Hamilton Dry Goods = they have a web site. They are located in Tennessee. Ron Hamilton will do you as much good on period fabrics at an affordable price as anyone. - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Lahti To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >Tom, > >Since we aren't getting anything authoritative out of this bunch, I'll >venture some ideas. In ML magazine this last issue is a nice article about >the Rev. Dodderidge (sic) who was a traveling preacher back around 1790's if >I remember the dates. That article has some quotes from his book of his >recollections of the times. He mentioned what common folks were wearing and >from what I remember the linen was fairly course and not at all like fine >Irish linens, etc. He also mentioned that it was common to wear linsy woolsy >which was linen threads up and down and wool threads back and forth through >the fabric. He commented that this was much warmer than straight linen. I >don't know if true linsy woolsy is available any more. You can get a linen >cotton version which is heavy enough for a hunting shirt or pants but it >won't be as warm. > >Hope this helps a bit. There doesn't seem to be much information out there >about weights of fabric, you just sorta have to speculate a bit about what >would work best for whatever type of garment your making within the >limitations of still available fabrics. I found out recently that the sails >on the USS Constitution were made of linen canvas and it would have been >fairly heavy and suitable for tentage and heavy garments like pantaloons >and knee britches. Probably about the same weight as cotton canvas today. >About all I have to offer. I remain..... > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:08:31 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen Bill, Ron Hamilton, is a great resource and supplies a lot of the garment makers in the country, he also has period paterns and pre made goods. YMOS Ole - ---------- >From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000, 9:16 AM > >Get in touch with Hamilton Dry Goods = they have a web site. They are >located in Tennessee. Ron Hamilton will do you as much good on period >fabrics at an affordable price as anyone. >-----Original Message----- >From: Roger Lahti >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:12 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen > > >>Tom, >> >>Since we aren't getting anything authoritative out of this bunch, I'll >>venture some ideas. In ML magazine this last issue is a nice article about >>the Rev. Dodderidge (sic) who was a traveling preacher back around 1790's >if >>I remember the dates. That article has some quotes from his book of his >>recollections of the times. He mentioned what common folks were wearing and >>from what I remember the linen was fairly course and not at all like fine >>Irish linens, etc. He also mentioned that it was common to wear linsy >woolsy >>which was linen threads up and down and wool threads back and forth through >>the fabric. He commented that this was much warmer than straight linen. I >>don't know if true linsy woolsy is available any more. You can get a linen >>cotton version which is heavy enough for a hunting shirt or pants but it >>won't be as warm. >> >>Hope this helps a bit. There doesn't seem to be much information out there >>about weights of fabric, you just sorta have to speculate a bit about what >>would work best for whatever type of garment your making within the >>limitations of still available fabrics. I found out recently that the sails >>on the USS Constitution were made of linen canvas and it would have been >>fairly heavy and suitable for tentage and heavy garments like pantaloons >>and knee britches. Probably about the same weight as cotton canvas today. >>About all I have to offer. I remain..... >> >>YMOS >>Capt. Lahti' >> >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:44:38 -0800 From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen That sounds pretty authoritative to me, Ole. - -----Original Message----- From: Ole B. Jensen To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:08 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >Bill, >Ron Hamilton, is a great resource and supplies a lot of the garment makers >in the country, he also has period paterns and pre made goods. >YMOS >Ole >---------- >>From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) >>To: >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >>Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000, 9:16 AM >> > >>Get in touch with Hamilton Dry Goods = they have a web site. They are >>located in Tennessee. Ron Hamilton will do you as much good on period >>fabrics at an affordable price as anyone. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Roger Lahti >>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:12 PM >>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >> >> >>>Tom, >>> >>>Since we aren't getting anything authoritative out of this bunch, I'll >>>venture some ideas. In ML magazine this last issue is a nice article about >>>the Rev. Dodderidge (sic) who was a traveling preacher back around 1790's >>if >>>I remember the dates. That article has some quotes from his book of his >>>recollections of the times. He mentioned what common folks were wearing and >>>from what I remember the linen was fairly course and not at all like fine >>>Irish linens, etc. He also mentioned that it was common to wear linsy >>woolsy >>>which was linen threads up and down and wool threads back and forth through >>>the fabric. He commented that this was much warmer than straight linen. I >>>don't know if true linsy woolsy is available any more. You can get a linen >>>cotton version which is heavy enough for a hunting shirt or pants but it >>>won't be as warm. >>> >>>Hope this helps a bit. There doesn't seem to be much information out there >>>about weights of fabric, you just sorta have to speculate a bit about what >>>would work best for whatever type of garment your making within the >>>limitations of still available fabrics. I found out recently that the sails >>>on the USS Constitution were made of linen canvas and it would have been >>>fairly heavy and suitable for tentage and heavy garments like pantaloons >>>and knee britches. Probably about the same weight as cotton canvas today. >>>About all I have to offer. I remain..... >>> >>>YMOS >>>Capt. Lahti' >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------- >>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:32:21 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs?] Thanks for bringing that up Concho, @#$%^&** Walt, I think with the way we are raised today, what we eat and how many different animals are looked at as pets and not food as they where once considered, eating dog has become a "mind-set" that makes you act differently than what our forefathers did. In the L&C journals it's mentioned several times of the men doing better on dog than on some game meats, like deer and elk for long periods. Clark talks about trading for dogs for lean periods to help with their diet. What Concho said was a new experience for me, eating dog - most enjoyed watching me choke down that meal. Later Buck Conner Hello Buck, I don't think I would have any trouble eating dog or any other kind of meat for the most part. My wife has Piegan blood in her and she cast a horrified look my way as she watches over my shoulder about the eatin dog talk. Meat is meat but what chokes me up is the thought of eating Thistle for 10 days. Cattail roots are well....mushy. Curt in the nearby town of Laurel started a beaver feed just for fun back in the early 70s. About every kind of meat you can imagine started showing up on the table. Part of the fun was watching people. Walt - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:50:43 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: MtMan-List: dogs (as food) Well, while I probably wouldn't eat my favorite animal, I must admit to having had some "chow" once at a fort. Won't mention any names/ places. Actually not bad. tender, white meat. I think Barry is right. We are different today in many ways from the original mountaineers. And what we eat is just one part of it. Bill K. and I have been having a great conversation on what these men were like (compared to what we think they were). The best way to put it is if you have ever been with some groups of men like loggers, wildcatters, etc. To not be coarse, crude and tough was the exception. Most of the people standing out side looking in (missionaries, families going west....) thought of these guys as not civil folks. They were tough when needed to be (when having to kill, protect), kind when another of their own needed it. And they changed with each year spent in the western frontier. And just to survive, they had to. Eatting things like dog was no big thing for them, they probably had to eat worse before. mike. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:09:08 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen Ole, Sounds pretty authoritative to me too. Don't know why I didn't think of Hamilton, I surely know of him and he is a great source for period fabrics and quit knowledgeable. Thanks. I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cunningham" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen > That sounds pretty authoritative to me, Ole. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:14:55 -0700 From: Vic Barkin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dogs and snakes (as food) Funny, but there was a Miller painting depicting two starving trappers who were found by the caravan in '37. According to "The West of Alfred Jacob Miller" there was a quote to the effect when Stuart was apparently repulsed by the thought of eating snakes "this child doest savy what discustin is, waugh!" (the quote was at least close to that) Nowadays, many of my compadres as well as my son, actually like the taste of a well fried rattler. Guess it's all in the mind of the beholder. Vic >Well, while I probably wouldn't eat my favorite animal, I must admit to >having >had some "chow" once at a fort. Won't mention any names/ places. >Actually not bad. >tender, white meat. I think Barry is right. We are different today in >many ways from the >original mountaineers. And what we eat is just one part of it. Bill K. >and I have been having >a great conversation on what these men were like (compared to what we >think they were). >The best way to put it is if you have ever been with some groups of men >like loggers, wildcatters, etc. To not be coarse, crude and tough was >the exception. Most of the people >standing out side looking in (missionaries, families going west....) >thought of these guys as >not civil folks. They were tough when needed to be (when having to kill, >protect), kind when another of their own needed it. And they changed >with each year spent in the western frontier. And just to survive, they >had to. Eatting things like dog was no big thing for them, they probably >had to eat worse before. > mike. > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Vic Nathan Barkin CGCM Printing and Reproduction Services Manager Northern Arizona University Office of Public Affairs and Marketing Creative Communications Department Box 4101, Flagstaff, Az 86011 ph. 520-523-6160 fax 520 523-5060 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:33:08 PST From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dogs and snakes (as food) I have eaten many a pound of rattlesnake here in southern Oklahoma. We used to make a special trip to the annual rattlesnake hunts in Waurika, and Waynoka, just for the purpose. I have eaten the flesh of a lot of critters that live in this part of the country, and only find the possum offensive. The taste is fine, but once I saw several possums dragging the entrails out of a several day dead cow, it was too much for this child to handle. Of course taste is relative to hunger, and dog looks mighty good when stacked up next to possum and sweet potato's. Can't say that I have eaten domestic dog, but who knows when you have camped with Joe "Stray Dog" Curtis. I have had a coyote or two, weren't awful, but could have done without it. Cliff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:36:23 -0700 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs & mountain lions Come on, let's stick to history and not hunting stories unless they are black powder, an open can of worms that is just chit chat. Thanking you in advance Joe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:39:43 -0700 From: Vic Barkin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dogs and snakes (as food) A TRUER STATEMENT COULD NOT BE MADE! Vic >Can't say that I have eaten >domestic dog, but who knows when you have camped with Joe "Stray Dog" >Curtis. >Cliff Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin AMM #1537 Three Rivers Party - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:48:14 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen Bill, Ron told me that himself and I take him at his word. YMOS Ole - ---------- >From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000, 9:44 AM > >That sounds pretty authoritative to me, Ole. >-----Original Message----- >From: Ole B. Jensen >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:08 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen > > >>Bill, >>Ron Hamilton, is a great resource and supplies a lot of the garment makers >>in the country, he also has period paterns and pre made goods. >>YMOS >>Ole >>---------- >>>From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham) >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >>>Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000, 9:16 AM >>> >> >>>Get in touch with Hamilton Dry Goods = they have a web site. They are >>>located in Tennessee. Ron Hamilton will do you as much good on period >>>fabrics at an affordable price as anyone. >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Roger Lahti >>>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>>Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:12 PM >>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen >>> >>> >>>>Tom, >>>> >>>>Since we aren't getting anything authoritative out of this bunch, I'll >>>>venture some ideas. In ML magazine this last issue is a nice article >about >>>>the Rev. Dodderidge (sic) who was a traveling preacher back around 1790's >>>if >>>>I remember the dates. That article has some quotes from his book of his >>>>recollections of the times. He mentioned what common folks were wearing >and >>>>from what I remember the linen was fairly course and not at all like fine >>>>Irish linens, etc. He also mentioned that it was common to wear linsy >>>woolsy >>>>which was linen threads up and down and wool threads back and forth >through >>>>the fabric. He commented that this was much warmer than straight linen. I >>>>don't know if true linsy woolsy is available any more. You can get a >linen >>>>cotton version which is heavy enough for a hunting shirt or pants but it >>>>won't be as warm. >>>> >>>>Hope this helps a bit. There doesn't seem to be much information out >there >>>>about weights of fabric, you just sorta have to speculate a bit about >what >>>>would work best for whatever type of garment your making within the >>>>limitations of still available fabrics. I found out recently that the >sails >>>>on the USS Constitution were made of linen canvas and it would have been >>>>fairly heavy and suitable for tentage and heavy garments like pantaloons >>>>and knee britches. Probably about the same weight as cotton canvas today. >>>>About all I have to offer. I remain..... >>>> >>>>YMOS >>>>Capt. Lahti' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------- >>>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >>> >>>---------------------- >>>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >>> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:29:40 PST From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver "Packs" I am interested in putting together two beaver bales or packs. Any information on how to do this?? I have seen several references to 100# packs. If an average plew weighs 1 1/2 pounds it would take over 120 hides to make two bales. I have several hides but no where near 120, so I was thinking of using a false center, such as burlap or something to get the right feel and weight. Then I could add more hides and take out the burlap as I caught more beaver. I assume the hides were folded in some fashion, with the rawhide side out, then pressed and bound with rawhide. Any ideas????? Cliff Tiffie PO Box 5089 Durant, OK 74702 580-924-4187 - --------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:48:57 -0700 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hats Yes, the slurry mix that the felt was mixed with did contain mercury which = made the mixers go mad because they mixed it all around with their bare = hands. On Thursday, May 11, 1939, Frank Fusco wrote: > The explanation by Dick Summers of how beaver hats were made was = quite >interesting. > However, I have always heard that mercury was used somewhere in the >process. That is where the phrase "mad as a hatter" came from. The fumes = are >dangerous stuff. > Anybody know what part mercury played in the making of hats? >Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:46:54 -0500 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen Excellent lead - thanks Bill. Bill Cunningham wrote: > Get in touch with Hamilton Dry Goods = they have a web site. They are > located in Tennessee. Ron Hamilton will do you as much good on period > fabrics at an affordable price as anyone. > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Lahti > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Linen > > >Tom, > > > >Since we aren't getting anything authoritative out of this bunch, I'll > >venture some ideas. In ML magazine this last issue is a nice article about > >the Rev. Dodderidge (sic) who was a traveling preacher back around 1790's > if > >I remember the dates. That article has some quotes from his book of his > >recollections of the times. He mentioned what common folks were wearing and > >from what I remember the linen was fairly course and not at all like fine > >Irish linens, etc. He also mentioned that it was common to wear linsy > woolsy > >which was linen threads up and down and wool threads back and forth through > >the fabric. He commented that this was much warmer than straight linen. I > >don't know if true linsy woolsy is available any more. You can get a linen > >cotton version which is heavy enough for a hunting shirt or pants but it > >won't be as warm. > > > >Hope this helps a bit. There doesn't seem to be much information out there > >about weights of fabric, you just sorta have to speculate a bit about what > >would work best for whatever type of garment your making within the > >limitations of still available fabrics. I found out recently that the sails > >on the USS Constitution were made of linen canvas and it would have been > >fairly heavy and suitable for tentage and heavy garments like pantaloons > >and knee britches. Probably about the same weight as cotton canvas today. > >About all I have to offer. I remain..... > > > >YMOS > >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:13:39 -0600 From: "Matt P" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Dogs? For everyone who's wondering... the article about L&C's Newfoundland is"Seaman" by Micheal Iachetta in the April 2000 _Dog & Kennel_. It's NOT available at their website http://www.dogandkennel.com , but ya'll should be able to buy it at almost any store. Matt in Texas Moonwolf's Den http://pages.ivillage.com/misc/txmoonwolf/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:36:43 -0600 From: "Matthew Porter" Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver Hats Hi all, Beaver hats were sometimes shaped using mercury. As we know, if we absorb mercury, it will make us crazy. Thus the name "Mad Hatter." The people that wore the hats also became a little crazy, too. I was told this information last year in biology class. I thought ya'll might like this tid bit of info. Matt Porter - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:29:50 EST From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Kinnickinnick Last week I found some kinnickinnick plants here in Washington state. I thought I might make my own tobacco. I knew it was a mix of plants. On the Internet I learned that there was not a kinnickinnick plant. Rather it is berryberry (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi). This one site said that berryberry, Labrador tea, and dogwood leaves were often combined to make the Indian tobacco kinnickkiinnick. So, my question is (1) Has anyone ever tried to grow berryberry to make kinnickinnick, and (2) Does anyone on the list have a special blend they have created for their enjoyment? Yes, I can buy kinnickinnick here in Washington, but that wouldn't be near as much fun. Fair weather, Laura Glise - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:59:40 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Kinnickinnick > Labrador tea, and dogwood leaves were often combined to make the Indian > tobacco kinnickkiinnick. Laura, If ya got Labrador Tea, just chew on it. It can make you kinda loopy and give you a nice buzz. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:32:20 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Kinnickinnick Ms. Laura Jean, You can probably buy the plant in a nursery over your way. It is a low growing evergreen as I recall. May not be green leaves but may be a red shade. I don't have a favorite recipe but it has been discussed in the past. Probably the most fun would be to gather the ingredients here in WA. and make your own. You might have to buy a couple items like the Labrador tea but I bet there is a local version. Hope this helps. I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:13:06 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Trapping article in local paper Neil Morgan keeps alive a storied Michigan tradition of trapping beavers and other furbearing critters By Alan R. Kamuda Detroit Free Press March 23, 2000, p. 6D The trapping season starts early for Neil Morgan. "I start scouting the rivers during the summer," says Morgan, 38, who has been trapping northern Michigan for the past 27 years. "When I'm out here trout fishing, I keep a notebook with me and I write down all the places I think the beaver will be. Then I come back out to these places in the winter and set the traps. It works pretty good. The season's all year long for me." During the warm months, Morgan works as a journeyman lineman, building the tall power lines that crisscross the state. He spends the winter and spring crisscrossing the state in swampers and waders, going after the furbearing animals that have been trapped on this land since the glaciers left. It's not exactly a lost art -- the Department of Natural Resources issued 17,000 various trapping licenses this season -- but it's not the industry it once was. "Biggest line I've ever run was 300 traps between here and Traverse City," says Morgan, who, with cousin Mike Lail, checks his newly laid traps along the inland waters of the Ocqueoc River in Presque Isle County. "It took us three hours to check them out in one direction, then another three hours to check them out on the way back." Morgan goes after all of lower Michigan's furbearers -- beaver, mink, coyote, bobcat, otter, coon, ermine, muskrat and skunk. But he concentrates on beaver during the season and does nuisance trapping for them in the off-season, removing beavers that take down trees and dam up streams. "I thought I'd close out at 125 or so this year," Morgan says, "but it looks like I'll take around 150 before the season ends. Trapping season in the Lower Peninsula ends April 16. "It's kind of surprising when you see the damage the beaver can do to the environment. People buy a piece of property up here and don't want me trapping near it till they see what a beaver can do to the land. Then they call me in to help them out." Trapping wasn't a family tradition. Morgan learned the trade that brought European trappers into the Great Lakes -- and brought about the founding of Detroit -- from Les Wilkerson, an old-time woodsman who, like Morgan, lived near Millersburg. "I learned the tricks from one of the best," Morgan says as he pours homemade scent on a stick hanging over one of his traps. "He took me in as a little kid and taught me how to trap. He taught me how to think like they do. Now, I'm just like the animals I'm trapping." Morgan makes wallhangings from beaver skins stretched out in red willow hoops that he sells from his home. He sends the rest of his pelts to the fur markets and sells some of his catches to friends who have them mounted. The price of the hides runs between $2 for a small muskrat to $60 for a large male otter. "I surely don't do this for the money," Morgan says as he takes a dead beaver out of a big Conibear 330 trap. "You're lucky if you break even. I do it because I love it, it's in my blood, it's the way I've learned to live. I believe in God, and all my time with Him is when I'm in the woods." And Morgan is passing his love on to his son Devin, 16, who works the trap lines with him on weekends and helps clean the catches during the week. "I thank God for the time I get to spend with my son," Morgan says. "It's a special kind of bonding most people don't have a chance at." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #506 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.