From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #525 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, April 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 525 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens -       Re: MtMan-List: Mexican Saddle -       MtMan-List: Period Cooking Equipment -       [none] -       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs -       Re: MtMan-List: loose hammer -       Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn -       Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn -       MtMan-List: Finnin McDonald -       Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark -       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs -       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs -       MtMan-List: moccasin liners -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: David Thompsn - Expedition 2000 - The Passage] -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark] -       MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads -       MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal -       Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal -       Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads -       Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:30:22 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens One person which can help you with your leather canteen questions is Tim Shaw (trekkertim@yahoo.com). Tim makes leather canteens annd does a good job. mike. Poorboy wrote: > Klahowya my friends; > > It has been several weeks since I have been on line, but the agricultural > planting season here is winding down. So here goes..... I would like to > gather any information that anyone could share concerning the construction > and sealing of leather canteens. Also any documentation of use between 1760 > and 1840. If photographs or specifics are available as to size, etc. these > would also be appreciated. > YMOS > PoorBoy > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:34:25 EDT From: TEXASLAZYB@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: leather canteens YMOS, I'd appreciate any info you get on leather canteens that can be passed by email. Thanks. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:07:13 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mexican Saddle I'm not at liberty to mention a price. The price may be negotiable. And as to what particular kind of saddle it is, I can not say, not being a mounted person. If there is any interest, I can take a dig. pic and send it out. To my eye it is an unused saddle in excellent shape. Sorry that I can not be more helpful. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mexican Saddle > You didn't mention a price. Is it a Charro saddle? > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:15:20 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Period Cooking Equipment - --part1_33.4307cdd.263683e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is a very interesting site received on the native list, so i'm forwarding it to the Mtn Man list.... Barney - --part1_33.4307cdd.263683e8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:32:38 -0400 Received: from fk.egroups.com (fk.egroups.com [208.50.144.73]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:32:28 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-144325-3517-LivingInThePast=aol.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2000 23:22:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 13578 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2000 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Apr 2000 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO q8.egroups.com) (10.1.2.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 23:21:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 1569 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2000 23:21:58 -0000 Received: from eightof.tsixroads.com (204.189.126.8) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 23:21:58 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([216.207.62.220]) by eightof.tsixroads.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA00653 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01bfae44$45e04cc0$b979c898@oemcomputer> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "James Kindred" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list NativeList@egroups.com; contact NativeList-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list NativeList@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:24:41 -0500 Reply-To: NativeList@egroups.com Subject: [NativeList] Cooking Equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a site in Britain that offers some interesting period cookware. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/LCVInternational/periodpr.htm Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: http://click.egroups.com/1/2891/6/_/462008/_/956618520/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --part1_33.4307cdd.263683e8_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: [none] I am still waiting to hear from Wynn and Gretchen Ormond about the saddle they found-nothing about it being Mexican. Wynn, if you see this, please send pix or detailed info on the saddle you have, and I'll help out if I can on Identifiing it., YMOS, Dog __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1980 08:42:43 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs My first pair of moccasins were made of brain-tanned deer leather, which I bought at a local souvenir store. My first event was a big 10-day rendezvous at Old Fort William, where most of the paths are covered with fine, sharp gravel, except for the road, which is covered by large rocks. By the end of the rendezvous, I had no bottoms to my moccasins, and my feet were raw. That was the first and last straw. Now I wear brain-tanned moose moccasins with an extra bottom sole of cow hide, added by a local shoemaker. I wear them with a pair of Dr. Scholl's liners, and I've returned to Old Fort William twice and had no problems. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:43:50 PDT From: "Matthew Hawley" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: loose hammer Steve The easy way to fix a loose hanndle is to take the end with everyting in tack and put the loose end in a 5 gallon pail let soke for two days that should tighten it up you can also add a shimm to. This will also work on new handle fittings too. matt (white eagle) >From: "John C. Funk, Jr." >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: loose hammer >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:12:17 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBABDCFBE00A1D820F3C6C63C1607FD7A0; Wed Apr 12 07:14:23 2000 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2)id >12fNsd-0001hK-00for hist_text-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 >08:12:31 -0600 >Received: from [208.147.70.163] (helo=trinity.norcalis.net)by >lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2)id 12fNsb-0001hF-00for >hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:12:29 -0600 >Received: from pavilion [206.157.120.149] by trinity.norcalis.net >(SMTPD32-4.07) id A28A24D0196; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:04:58 PST >From owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Wed Apr 12 07:14:25 2000 >Message-ID: <003f01bfa489$1c3874c0$9b789dce@pavilion> >References: <48.3e158af.26238068@aol.com> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk > >Steve, >Send me an address off line and I'll send you a small piece of brass shim >about .01 thick. >John Funk > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:07 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: loose hammer > > > > <<>>> > > Yup....it's the hammer like I said. > > > > <<peening everything unless it is a last resort. Even aluminum foil might >work as a shim.>>> > > > > Hmmm...good idea, I'll try the alum. foil but don't know where I'd find >some brass that thin... > > > > Thanks Dave, Hawk, I'll let you know what worked... > > > > Ymos, > > Steve > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:54:54 PDT From: "Matthew Hawley" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn here is somthing ton try you did every thing right. while you move them around take melted butter and put it in a spray bottle and lightly mist it with butter the butter will keep it from scorching and give it a buttery flavor sealed away it will keep for a while and then some . You can eat it alone with out cooking or make soup what ever you want. matt (white Eagle) >From: GazeingCyot@cs.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:49:02 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBAC69466001BD820F3AEC63C1607E8750; Tue Apr 18 22:51:37 2000 >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2)id >12hnMQ-0002o7-00for hist_text-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 >23:49:14 -0600 >Received: from [205.188.156.53] (helo=csimo02.mx.cs.com)by >lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2)id 12hnMM-0002mq-00for >hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:49:10 -0600 >Received: from GazeingCyot@cs.comby csimo02.mx.cs.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id >f.a0.36487a0 (4250) for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 >01:49:02 -0400 (EDT) >From owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Tue Apr 18 22:53:56 2000 >Message-ID: >X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 100 >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk > >Ad > Jill and I have made parched corn the same way you did a time or two >when >in a pitch for some. It worked out for us, you have to keep the kernels of >corn moving to keep them from scorching almost like pop corn but not that >much movement. keep turning them, those small kernels from frozen corn >scorch >easily as you found out. We still had a few black spots on ours but they >ate >well and when boiled up with rice were soft and tender. After parching the >corn seems to boil up faster. > See ya on the trail > Crazy Cyot > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:01:00 -0400 From: "D Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn around take melted butter and put it in a spray bottle and lightly mist it > with butter the butter will keep it from scorching Seems to me it would go rancid prety fast...> D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Finnin McDonald Hallo Folks A couple of times recently I've heard reference to a fur post that bears the name of Mr. McDonald... yet I can find no documentation for such a place. Any answers or leads out there? Your Most Obedient Servant... Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho Clerk of the Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders http://www.geocities.com/~lnewbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:29:11 -0600 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------09124E891F62CB5B7DC19BCD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee Newbill wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 Huss931@aol.com wrote: > > Evidently, this journey is not as easy as one might think. > Hallo > Some of us here in the Great Pacific NW have contemplated such a journey, > but for most of us, work rules out completion in one shot... additional > problems we have talked about, are the miles and miles of now slack water > that lay between the headwaters of the Columbia, and the Pacific Ocean, > particularly if you were to attempt the journey in dugouts. > A rowed/sailed battuex or frieghter Canot de Nord would be the way to go, > that and sixty? days of vacation to prep and run the River of the West. > An interesting thought. > Your Most Obedient Servant... > Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho Lee, I don't care how long or how much time and effort one puts into a journey like what has been mentioned, there will always be items missed or unexpected events that change the time schedule. Anything from poor water conditions to no water, weather, equipage problems, sickness, etc. In all the years we have worked the Missouri - Upper & Lower, the Mississippi, smaller bodies of water like the Green, Platte, Osage, etc. we have found that right up until the day you leave is what you'll have to work with for water conditions. We have watched and checked conditions of the routes planned to travel for 3-4 months ahead, plus making dozens of calls to different points along the route and think we have a handle on it, then the day we get loaded and start our journey, the conditions have changed within a week from leaving right down to a few hours before. From good moving water, to no water, flash floods, unexpected storms, irrigation projects, a barrage wreck, member gets real sick and can't paddle, etc. all adds days that weren't planned to the trip. I thought we where the luckiest group that ever traveled when missing our planned schedule by 10 hours in a 1620 mile 28 day trip; that's 10 hours ahead of schedule, so we laid up for 2/3 of a day before making our grand entry. "WOW, only 23 minutes early, not bad for a sun dial compass" was what one member told the press. We normally plan a couple extra days for the unknown. Later Buck - --------------09124E891F62CB5B7DC19BCD Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="conner1.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for ƒÄ‹Ž¨ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="conner1.vcf" begin:vcard n:Conner;Barry x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ org:~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~;* Chief factor,* reenactor,* history buff,* supplier. version:2.1 email;internet:conner1@uswest.net title:http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ adr;quoted-printable:;;Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.=0D=0APO Box 28168=0D=0A13111 W. Alameda Pkwy #16;Lakewood;Colorado;80228;USA fn:Buck Conner end:vcard - --------------09124E891F62CB5B7DC19BCD-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:34:58 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs Even better than Dr. Scholl's liners are those made by Spenco. You can = find them in pharmacies. They cost about $20 but they are so much = superior that they are cheap at the price. I am diabetic and have to = take special care of my feet.....they are about 30% numb, for one = thing....and I have found nothing to compare with the Spenco product. = Mine are cross trainer athletic shoe innersole liners and have a bit of = a heel and an arch. They make walking immensely more = comfortable...actually possible, in my case. I glue bison hide to the bottom of my mocs to prolong their life, = replacing them as they wear out. Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Angela Gottfred To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 1980 9:42 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs > My first pair of moccasins were made of brain-tanned deer leather, = which I > bought at a local souvenir store. My first event was a big 10-day > rendezvous at Old Fort William, where most of the paths are covered = with > fine, sharp gravel, except for the road, which is covered by large = rocks. > By the end of the rendezvous, I had no bottoms to my moccasins, and my = feet > were raw. That was the first and last straw. Now I wear brain-tanned = moose > moccasins with an extra bottom sole of cow hide, added by a local > shoemaker. I wear them with a pair of Dr. Scholl's liners, and I've > returned to Old Fort William twice and had no problems. >=20 > Your humble & obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:07:48 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs Lanney's right, Spenco's are great. I am diabetic also with the added pleasure of nasty tendonitis in my right foot. That coupled with a torn up ankle( the right one also) and walking gets to be sorta like having a root canal. Without my Spenco's, I couldnt make it. Okay my two cents are up. Keep yer powder dry; Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:00:33 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: MtMan-List: moccasin liners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BFAEF9.4BD80040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, =20 Wool "shoe pack" liners are great for winter weather. They stay = warm while wet (and they will get wet). For summer wear I use a sheep = wool liner just for a bit of comfort. The great thing about moccasins = is that they allow you to feel the ground. Mother earth makes contact, = often in painful ways. It teaches me to walk differently. I walk (and = run) more carefully. I have time to look for sign. The thin layer = between foot and ground allows me to feel my way along a trail even at = night. I step on rocks, sure, but I more often step between them = because I set my foot down lighter. =20 White man seldom becomes a partner with nature. More often he is at = odds. He hides from rain, demands comfort and sees nature as a = combative force, an enemy not an ally. The hard soled shoe or boot is a = reflection of that philosophy. No longer a need to walk softly or = quietly. Why bother? It won't hurt. Natural man in whatever country = most often goes barefoot or in a plant or leather moccasin. At first = because it was cheap and available. Afterwards, it became a spiritual = thing. A way of keeping contact with the center of the earth. Those = of us who want to experience that world will "walk in their shoes". = Sometimes uncomfortably, sometimes even painfully, but, eventually, with = more knowledge and appreciation of what we try to learn. I've tried the double soles, the triple liners, the modern foam pads = and I found that it was like wearing a pair of shoes that looked like = moccasins. It 'aint the same. The essence is lost. I'm not speaking = in response to the infirm. Those whose health requires compromise in = order to witness nature must do what is necessary. I'm speaking to = those who are able to experience nature as she is. Compromise for = comfort's sake alone will demand a price. For me, it required that I = stop feeling my surroundings to the fullest. I stopped paying that = price. My summer mocs are single soled with a sheep skin liner. I = carry a thinner slipper pair for camp use and as a thickener when the = terrain demands pain. =20 Just my thoughts on the matter. =20 "Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber (Old and slow) =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BFAEF9.4BD80040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear List,    =
    Wool "shoe pack" = liners are=20 great for winter weather.  They stay warm while wet (and they will = get=20 wet).  For summer wear I use a sheep wool liner just for a bit of=20 comfort.  The great thing about moccasins is that they allow you to = feel=20 the ground.  Mother earth makes contact, often in painful = ways.  It=20 teaches me to walk differently.  I walk (and run) more = carefully.  I=20 have time to look for sign. The thin layer between foot and ground = allows me to=20 feel my way along a trail even at night.  I step on rocks, sure, = but I more=20 often step between them because I set my foot down lighter.  =
    White man seldom = becomes a=20 partner with nature.  More often he is at odds.  He hides from = rain,=20 demands comfort and sees nature as a combative force, an enemy not an=20 ally.  The hard soled shoe or boot is a reflection of that=20 philosophy.  No longer a need to walk softly or quietly.  Why=20 bother?  It won't hurt.  Natural man in whatever country most = often=20 goes barefoot or in a plant or leather moccasin.  At first because = it was=20 cheap and available.  Afterwards, it became a spiritual = thing.  A way=20 of keeping contact with the center of the earth.   Those of us = who=20 want to experience that world will "walk in their shoes".  = Sometimes=20 uncomfortably, sometimes even painfully, but, eventually, with more = knowledge=20 and appreciation of what we try to learn.
    I've tried the = double soles, the=20 triple liners, the modern foam pads and I found that it was like wearing = a pair=20 of shoes that looked like moccasins.  It 'aint the same.  The = essence=20 is lost.  I'm not speaking in response to the infirm.  Those = whose=20 health requires compromise in order to witness nature must do what is=20 necessary.  I'm speaking to those who are able to experience nature = as she=20 is.  Compromise for comfort's sake alone will demand a = price. =20 For me, it required that I stop feeling my surroundings to the = fullest.  I=20 stopped paying that price.  My summer mocs are single soled with a = sheep=20 skin liner.  I carry a thinner slipper pair for camp use and as a = thickener=20 when the terrain demands pain.
 
Just my thoughts on the = matter.
 
"Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber (Old = and=20 slow) 
- ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BFAEF9.4BD80040-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 00 16:41:27 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: David Thompsn - Expedition 2000 - The Passage] Wind1838@aol.com wrote: A Mr. Pat Harbine, is planning an expedition to retrace the travels of = David Thompson as written in his journals between 1804-1811. It will be a grou= p of............................ wrote: Some of these style trips are good for the new person, or those wanting= to just see the area that Thompson was in................. The problem has been in the past and hasn't changed is, controlling wha= t is used, worn, and the attitude of the group - many being strangers to each other............. This was tried a few years ago by a group from Chicago area, 10 day tri= p down the Missouri to Ft. deChartre, ILL, similar guide-lines, bottom line= was with all the internal baloney they made 3 days and 2 nights...... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We ran into the fellow that had the rental canoes, he's a slow learner - = did another trip two years later with similar results. Like said, you need yo= ur members to have like interests and if at all possible been together on sh= orter trips to see how they work with each other. Later Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 00 16:50:18 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark] wrote: I don't care how long or how much time and effort one puts into a jou= rney like what has been mentioned, there will always be items missed or unexpe= cted events that change the time schedule................... In all the years we have worked the Missouri - Upper & Lower, the Mississippi, smaller bodies of water like the Green, Platte, Osage, etc. = we have found that right up until the day you leave .................. From good moving water, to no water, flash floods, unexpected storms,= irrigation projects, a barrage wreck, member gets real sick and can't pad= dle, etc. all adds days that weren't planned .............. - ----------------------------------------------------- How true, I've been on a third of these trips with Buck, Rover and the ot= hers (a half-dozen) and there are always changes to the original plans. Add extra hours or at least a day. Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:08:46 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads Hallo the List, I just got back from a trip to Great Falls, MT and managed to spend about four hours at the Lewis and Clark Interpretive Center.... a "must see" spot if you're in the neighborhood. One exhibit had an example of what was carried for trade and gifts on the Voyage of Discovery ....beads, mirrors, blankets, etc. What I didn't see was the "Lewis and Clark Bead"....you know the black one with a kinda floral pattern, about the size of a pecan... more or less. The bead had a different name then, from Italy I think....and was to suppose to have gone up river with them. When I asked some of the folks there, if they knew of that bead, they didn't seem to know what it was. Anyone have the story on the missing "Lewis and Clark Bead"? Ymos, Steve ....and - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:26:17 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal Ho the List ....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace Medal exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The medal was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold, only in bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if this is true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801? It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell the story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River.... Ymos, Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:10:00 -0700 From: Julia Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal Honorable Master Steven, Be it know, that my dear departed husband, did but just last year, loose such a medal in the mighty rolling Columbia River. He did lose it as he slipped into the river and drown on a cold rainy Northwest day. God rest his soul. Surly you would not deprive such a token of respect from a grieving old widow woman. So, hows about handing that there precious medal on over to me? Yours in the utmost respect, Maw Hawk >Ho the List > >....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace Medal >exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The medal >was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold, only in >bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if this is >true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801? > >It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell the >story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River.... > >Ymos, >Steve > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:32:02 -0600 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------BCB0DC30C03DE6D708AD47C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > Hallo the List, > > I just got back from a trip to Great Falls, MT and managed to spend about four > hours at the Lewis and Clark Interpretive Center.... a "must see" spot if > you're in the neighborhood. > One exhibit had an example of what was carried for trade and gifts on the > Voyage of Discovery ....beads, mirrors, blankets, etc. What I didn't see was > the "Lewis and Clark Bead"....you know the black one with a kinda floral > pattern, about the size of a pecan... more or less. The bead had a different > name then, from Italy I think....and was to suppose to have gone up river with > them. When I asked some of the folks there, if they knew of that bead, they > didn't seem to know what it was. Anyone have the story on the missing "Lewis > and Clark Bead"? > Ymos, Steve > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Winter 1998, pg. 2; "Beads of the Plains Fur Trade, 1775-1875" Has some interesting information, of which is mentioned about what and who was trading beads; "point is that the name now in vogue for them [bead names] is just that and has nothing do do with the bead's true origin or history. The same applies to such names as "Lewis & Clark beads," "Dutch Donuts," "padre beads," and so forth. They are all recently invented names, and in the case of those mentioned above, were not distributed by Lewis & Clark, traded by the Dutch, or given out by Roman Catholic missionaries. Ironically, old names like "pound beads" have been replaced by modern ones such as "pony beads," and other genuine old descriptive names such as pigeon eggs, mock garnets, and barleycorns are no longer used............ The article goes on to talk about the names of old compared to what we call them and how many of the tales of trade by L&C, and so on have all come about in the past century. I bought a dozen "Lewis & Clark", about the same of "Imperials" years ago, finally at one of the early Chardon Fur Trade Days, Charley Hanson took me aside and told me I had been had, they where old beads but not as old as I was told, probably came west about 25-30 years after the Corps of Discovery. When "Brass Turtle"Sample and "Turtle" Boyer went down they each had a few put in their caskets along with a few other items of trade for the other side, figured they needed a fresh start with the old timers. Today they are worth about what I paid 25 years ago for them - live and learn, win a few and lose many. Later Buck - --------------BCB0DC30C03DE6D708AD47C3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="conner1.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for ƒÄ‹Ž¨ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="conner1.vcf" begin:vcard n:Conner;Barry x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ org:~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~;* Chief factor,* reenactor,* history buff,* supplier. version:2.1 email;internet:conner1@uswest.net title:http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ adr;quoted-printable:;;Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.=0D=0APO Box 28168=0D=0A13111 W. Alameda Pkwy #16;Lakewood;Colorado;80228;USA fn:Buck Conner end:vcard - --------------BCB0DC30C03DE6D708AD47C3-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:34:11 -0600 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the Jefferson Peace Medal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3D9610654810C7FD48E452EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia wrote: > Honorable Master Steven, > > Be it know, that my dear departed husband, did but just last year, > loose such a medal in the mighty rolling Columbia River. He did lose > it as he slipped into the river and drown on a cold rainy Northwest > day. God rest his soul. > > Surly you would not deprive such a token of respect from a grieving > old widow woman. > So, hows about handing that there precious medal on over to me? > > Yours in the utmost respect, > Maw Hawk > > >Ho the List > > > >....also, while at the L&C center, I picked up a bronze Jefferson Peace Medal > >exactly like the one carried by L&C and given to the Indian chiefs. The medal > >was struck, as I understand it, by the US Mint, on the original mold, only in > >bronze, rather than silver as were the originals. Does anyone know if this is > >true...that the US Mint used the original mold cast in 1801? > > > >It's a pretty neat medal and I plan on having it silver plated and tell the > >story about how I found it on the banks of the Columbia River.... > > > >Ymos, > >Steve Did they ever recover your loss Julia ! - --------------3D9610654810C7FD48E452EC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="conner1.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for ƒÄ‹Ž¨ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="conner1.vcf" begin:vcard n:Conner;Barry x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ org:~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~;* Chief factor,* reenactor,* history buff,* supplier. version:2.1 email;internet:conner1@uswest.net title:http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ adr;quoted-printable:;;Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.=0D=0APO Box 28168=0D=0A13111 W. 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